Thank you for the new thread.
Dana...just keeping being Dana. You are a powerful voice, buddy.
Thanks mckeekitty I am to old to change now Keep the faith and never stop digging.
If Ayla was, by chance, alive out there somewhere, who would she be with? Someone that the Dipietros would stand to have her. Otherwise they would have had a fit about her being taken. They just want the whole thing forgotten so if she is alive, who might have her?
Those people are the ones you guys should be calling and asking questions.
Are you thinking the paternal family knows that Ayla was taken away by some of their unsavory relations? Why would they suffer all the LE (and some public) allegations against themselves as liars and possible cause of "foul play" in Ayla's case? To protect someone they suspected took Ayla - possibly close relatives or friends?Or do you think the DiPietros gave Ayla away to some relative for illegal adoption, or, to keep Ayla hidden away from Trista? Is that why the DiPietros have never shown concern for Ayla's health and safety? Ayla was with relatives or people they trusted to treat her well? (Phoebe: "Nothing happened to Ayla, except she was taken.")Of course, the police said little about this case in terms of who and what they were investigating, but tracking down Ayla's paternal or maternal kin who might be hiding Ayla would seem to have been one of the first investigatory steps in the case.Did the blood in the basement throw LE off their detectiing mettle? Did they look no further than Violette Avenue for their answers? The blood stopped everything right there?
Many things don't add up with how this case was handled. And those close to them:Courtney's sister, at the same address as Courtney, was dealing drugs and Courtney's baby was never investigated by child services? Why?Even if Ayla's body is found, after all this time, what could it prove, other than she has passed away. If no charges soon,then we may never see anyone charged.
We don't know who was investigated by CPS. Courtney may well have been. Neighbors supposedly complained about the traffic around Brianna's apartment. Could Courtney have failed to notice that traffic living in an apartment in the same building as her sister? I don't think Ayla's body, if found, would tell much of anything.
If Ayla's body were found, the DiPietros would simply say, "The kidnapper done it!"
Are the 3 that were in the house that were not truthful with LE going on with their lives like nothing happened? Or did this effect their lives in some way?
Do any of their acquaintances or friends ever look at any of the DiPietros or Courtney Roberts with a narrow vision and think, "I wonder if you did lie about what happened to Ayla."Everything about Ayla seems to have settled down as past history. I am sure the DiPietros and Roberts are breathing a bit easier.
I don't know how you could ever rest easy, knowing that at any minute LE could find that one thing that could put you away forever.
Maybe the person that did the one thing isn't resting easy. The ones that didn't do anything wrong are comfortable.
Right, Dana. Well put.You continue to blow my mind with your simple, sensible comments. As you know...you played a pivotal part in my assessment of this case. Thanks, buddy!
I'm interested to know your assessment of the case.
In my opinion, at least one of the three knows the truth about what happened to Ayla. They others may either know, or may have been deceived (like the rest of us). The bottom line is that Ayla is gone, as the State Police believe, she is most likely deceased. There is a chance the murderer will get away with murder. The only good thing is that Ayla no longer has to suffer at the hands of her murderer. How he lives with himself, is beyond me. But then, I wouldn't be able to kill a person (especially my own child).
These letters are very respectful and I think would be appropriate for whatever you believed happened to Ayla. I wonder if there will be a public update at the 3 year mark?
The solicitation by the maternal family for contributions to help pursue a claim of child endangerment against the DiPietro's,, is no longer ask for @ aylareynolds.com I wonder why? and of course have questions.We were told by CG, who was informed by Jeff, that an attorney had assured them (maternal family) that the case they want to bring is viable, and they were looking for the right attorney.Did they find that attorney?Is the case going forward?Do they no longer need funds for the attorney?
Thank you for the update. I can't view Ayla's website because mobile devices redirect to change.org.
There is an ongoing discussion on FFA regarding Ayla's placement with Justin. I can't comment there.What I would like to point out is that Trista claimed that after she was stonewalled by Justin and DHHS, she agreed to let Justin keep Ayla if he moved to Waterville, but in "The Taking of Ayla" is clearly states that Phoebe informed Karen Small that Justin had agreed to bring Ayla to live in Waterville, BEFORE she was ever "taken".So, is Trista lying about this agreement, or merely lying about WHEN the agreement was made? (I'm talking about the agreement to move to Waterville.)And, when was all this agreed to? If the fight was on the night of October 13, and Trista entered rehab on October 14, when did they have time to hash out the living arrangements? Karen Small states (to Jessica) that CPS was present when Trista agreed to let Ayla go to Justin. If that is the same time they agreed to the move to Waterville, Phoebe would not have needed to bring it up.Also, where did this supposed altercation take place? Jeff promised us a copy of the incident report back in 2012, and we have yet to see anything. It did not happen in Lewiston. I am still waiting on my FOIA request to Portland PD.What I am getting at is I think that there was no altercation leading to CPS being called. It makes no sense. The whole story makes no sense. Unless there was an open case on Trista (which she admits, only she says it was about Little Ray), there would be no way CPS would have acted that fast. And the cops wouldn't call unless the situation was dire.Further more, Jessica had just lost custody of her own children. How could she be deemed fit to take care of Ayla mere months later? And if Becca was considered fit to care for Ayla, why wasn't she fit enough to take Jessica's kids?
Why the intese concentration on HOW Ayla came to be at Violette Avenue when the concentration should be WHAT HAPPENED to Ayla once she got there?I just do not get it.
Because everyone seems to LIE about it. Why the lies? I just do not get it.
"There is an ongoing discussion on FFA regarding Ayla's placement with Justin. I can't comment there."I don't know why Grace. You aren't blocked or in moderation and we haven't deleted any of your comments there.
Grace4AylaOctober 1, 2014 at 6:05 PM"Because everyone seems to LIE about it. Why the lies? I just do not get it."Well, if you are proclaiming "everyone" lies about it, then you must be including Phoebe, and Justin.
I agree that it really does not matter how Ayla came to be with Justin. The same could have happened on a weekend visit. I think Trista wanted to be a mommy and have a family. She just was not very good at finding daddy's. I think she wanted to be a family with Justin ( why I will never understand). I think that is part of the inconstancy with her stories. I don't think she wanted to believe he could have hurt Ayla either. Why did someone not say something about Justin's lack of parenting skills? Did no one see anything that made them think he needed some help with her? Did no one see him push anyone before a cop saw him do it to Courtney?I don't like how this came to happen but is it possible no one knew Justin had some issues?
To Anon 7:15, Yes I do include Phoebe and Justin. They haven't said much on this particular issue, but I do not believe a word that has come out of either of their mouths.To Anon 7:16, It seems that Trista and Jessica had the most information about Justin's "lack of parenting". Supposedly, Jessica told the cops on October 17, 2011 that Justin "beat" Ayla, even though on December 19, 2011 she told reporters she had never witnessed Justin's parenting. And on Nov. 14, Trista heard a doctor tell her and Justin that the broken arm was "suspicious", and Jessica called CPS. However, despite these claims, CPS decided Ayla was better off with Justin. Now, how bad could it have been with Trista, Jessica or Becca for CPS to make this decision?And there is no "inconsistancy" in her stories. She flat out changes them. And I don't believe she wanted to be a family with Justin. She was already engaged to Ray before Ayla was even born, and evidently got with her new man before she had broken up with Ray. (Her facebook in Dec 2013 thanked him for the "last year" together. I take it to mean they met shortly after Ayla disappeared.)
Dhhs may have not done their job looking into Justin. We don't know what happened do we? I can understand jessica saying the things she did. If she saw the effects of the visits Ayla had with Justin. Even if she didn't see much of Justin, she knew Ayla and what happened to her while with him and her behavior.
G4A, Maybe Phoebe told Karen Small he would move to Waterville not because he had any real plan to do so but because she knew CPS would have a problem with Ayla living in an apt full of young men. Justin didn't "finish" moving to Waterville until just about the time when Ayla disappeared. Do you sometimes wonder if he ever intended to move there at all? Maybe circumstances forced his hand.
Anon 10:02, if that's true how do you explain Trista's statement that it was HER idea that Justin move to Waterville?
Not sure, Anonymous 10:10. Did she think that before or after Justin had Ayla? Was she trying to talk him into it when she first asked him about taking Ayla if she went into treatment and was he resistant? Maybe someday we'll know. But if Justin was the one who wanted Ayla and planned to move to his mother's house, it seems like he would have A. started moving before he went and picked up Ayla, or, at least B. moved in completely pretty quickly after picking up Ayla. Within a few days he bought life insurance on Ayla but didn't finish moving for two months? I call foul.
Why would he move all of his belongings to Waterville when it wasn't until Dec that he said he was going to file for custody? You think he should've done a complete and total move based on a short term arrangement?
If it was short-term, why did he buy life insurance on Ayla? Why did Phoebe tell Karen Small he would move to Waterville? I don't think he intended anything short-term.
Wait, what? If it was only to be a short-term arrangement, why the need to move to Waterville at all? If DHHS' stance was that dad trumps aunt there would have been no need to "convince" Karen Small by saying Justin had agreed to move in the first place. DHHS wouldn't have cared where Justin lived. If DHHS had no jurisdiction, which is what we were told in "The Taking of Ayla", then they would not have investigated Justin's living arrangements until there was a complaint, which there apparently was by Jessica, leading to the team meeting.What Trista wants us to believe is that Justin "kept" Ayla after he agreed to give her back on Oct. 20, and continued to keep her with DHHS help. Why would he do that if he only agreed to a short term arrangement? Unless he felt that Ayla was unsafe with Trista...but then, she wasn't any safer with him, was she? Poor Ayla.
Why does life insurance have anything to do with whether he moved or not? And he DID move to Waterville. That doesn't mean it was meant to be permanent.
Grace4Ayla, DHHS didn't seem much concerned with its jurisdiction in taking action in this case.I also don't think Ayla's interests were at the heart of Justin's actions.Anonymous 11:10, If he was only intending to have Ayla for a few days and return her to Trista, why would he take out an insurance policy on Ayla's life?
Anon 11:17, I still don't understand your point. What does a life insurance policy on Ayla have to do with where she was living? The same policy would be in effect regardless of which parent she lived with.
We have no idea what jurisdiction DHHS had over Ayla. On the one hand Trista wants us to believe that DHHS forced her into rehab under threat of losing Ayla, yet Karen Small states DHHS had no jurisdiction. Which is true? How could CPS threaten her if they had no jurisdiction? No part of this story makes sense.
He didn't have custody of her, he didn't get a life insurance policy on her previously or talk to Trista about getting one, but in the couple of days he is taking care of her he is suddenly of the mind to buy an insurance policy on her life? It's hard to imagine why that would be any kind of priority at all. He had not been visiting on any kind of regular schedule, had no visitation arrangement or court order, and wasn't he behind on child support? That money could have been used to help catch up. I don't think its about her location so much as about the degree to which they had interaction and him a long term commitment to being active in her life.
Grace, I think that's a really important point. Three points, actually. First what jurisdiction did they actually have. Second, what did Trista believe their authority was. Third, did DHHS go beyond whatever its jurisdiction was.
He was back in waterville, an his friend, the insurance agent, approached him about a policy. Do you know how inexpensive life insurance on an 18 month old is? Do you know why people purchase these policies for their children?
Yeah but if you are not concerned about seeing your kid on a regular basis and you are not concerned about keeping up to date on child support, why would you be concerned about getting an insurance policy on your kid, regardless of the cost?
The problem is, all the info comes from Trista and Jeff. I don't trust two hack journalists and a slew of anonymous bloggers that any of the supposed DHHS information (or anything actually) is true.What I know is this: 1) Justin, through law enforcement, made the statement that he had "sole custody" of Ayla through an agreement with Trista. He made no mention of DHHS. 2) Jessica Reynolds lost three children through some sort of DHHS involvement sometime between June 2011 and Dec 2011, when Ayla went missing. 3) DHHS took Trista to court over Little Ray's custody in 2013. And lost apparently.What did Trista believe their authority was? I have no idea. However, Jeff says that a lawyer attended the DHHS team meeting with Jessica, wouldn't he have informed her what her rights were before, during or after the meeting?
Who said he wasn't keeping up with child support? He could have arrears, yet be paying as ordered. If he wasn't concerned about Ayla, why would he have bothered to see her at all, let alone move to Water ville to care for her?
Justin found out about Ayla when she was 7 months old, so he started out in arrears. Ayla was 18 months old when she went to live with him. If he kept current, he would have paid off that 7 months way before she went to live with him. They probably broke it up into so many equal payments and added it onto his current bill. The money would go straight to the courts, not to Trista, so they would know if he was in arrears, or didn't keep the payment arrangement. Jeff produced a document that said he was in arrears, if you believe it, then how could he have stayed current?
Everything you say is correct Grace, except the assumption that he would've paid 7 months of arrears within 11 months. We don't know the amount of arrears added to each monthly payment.
No, I don't the exact amount, but I've dealt with a lot of child support orders from different states and they don't usually stretch it out longer than 12 months in most cases. At say, 300 month for one child would only be 2100, and by law they can take up to 25% of your total income. Of course, we know that when Ayla went missing, Justin was unemployed and had just finished trucking school. It isn't two different payments, and you can be current on one and not the other. It's X amount for Y months then z thereafter.
I don't believe that either Justin or Trista were super parents, but there are some facts available to us. Ayla lived all her life and did not die at her mother's house. She lived 8 weeks at her father's and disappeared, never to be seen again. I believe she died there. Had she never been forced to go with Justin, I believe she would be alive today.
But who forced her? Trista could have straightened up on her own. I don't mean she should have skipped rehab, but there were steps she could have taken before it came down to "lose the booze or lose the kids".
From Lee:I’m not saying that this is the case, but I doubt if there is anyone among us who has not said something and the changed their mind and backtracked in their stance. Should it be surprising “if” Trista did? The circumstances of the moment changes one’s views.Lee, the circumstances of the moment may change ones views, but it does not change the FACTS or the TRUTH. Trista has not "backtracked" on her stance, she has changed her stories, multiple times. Both stories cannot be true. One of them was a lie. Why does Trista need to lie about these things?
Because, in the back of her mind, she wanted to stay in good with Justin so as to find out something about Ayla? She accused Justin of not talking to her. Maybe her changing stories were to set a fire under him to say something.Also, there's the distinct possibility that Trista hasn't got a decent memory with all she's endured. She appeared quite disoriented in some of her tv appearances. Coming out of rehab, losing Ayla? Not ordinary circumstances at all. Although, in her meeting with Phoebe, Trista appeared spot on and got a great comment from Phoebe who was cornered to a fare-thee-well.
So, are you saying Trista is so mentally messed up she can't remember what actually happened? Or, more likely, she just can't remember her lies. I vote the latter. She knows exactly what happened.
"She knows exactly what happened."Are you referring to something specific?
Yes, many specifics actually. She knows how Ayla ended up with Justin. Are you asking about something specific?OT-Phoebe works for the Department of Taxation in Augusta, right?
Go Grace go!
Hehehe, I had a tooth pulled... Think Jeff will pop by?
No I wasn't asking about something specific, but from your wording I wasn't sure if you had something specific in mind. It sounded like you might.
If Justin has other children, I hope people pay attention. People that become violent repeat their behavior. Girlfriends beware. And gabby does not need to be with him either.
Grace...you raise some very good questions!Hope you are well, friend!
Hiya McKee! I'm a fine as a frog's hair, thanks for asking.Yeah, good questions...but no good answers! Maybe someday, eh?
I just love this article.http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2012/01/trista-reynolds-was-no-mom.html
Your link takes me to a blog about crime, but where's the article?
Okay, found it! Found the search engine on the site..Interesting, Grace, that you link an article by a blogger writing about this case in the FIRST WEEK of January 2012 in which she has several facts wrong. And no surprise in that, this early in the investigation.. The main fact being wrong is that LE was probably targeting Trista and the Reynolds family for police pressure because they are all druggies, liars and probably complicit in Ayla's disappearance. The LE in this case has never intimated that the Reynolds and Trista were lying, or withholding evidence, or not telling all they knew, or not telling the truth about Ayla's disappearance Especially, not this early in the case did LE ever target the Reynolds, and Trista as being involved. And afterwards, as the investigation progressed? Never! Who did LE point to as lying about their involvement in the case? The DiPietros and Courtney Roberts.And you know that, Grace. A bit disingenuous, on your part to submit an article written early in the case by a woman who doesn't have all the facts.Just another attempt on your part to muddy the waters? Probably another attempt on your part to show what a terrible mother Trista was having to go into rehab, and, how dysfunctional and messed up the Reynolds family were, totally. Something fairly evident, but having little to do with Ayla's blood in Phoebe's house and her vanishing from the DiPietro residence. That's something which cannot be said,evidently, about the Reynolds and their residences. Or, at least, it has never been said by LE.If you could only get over your enmity toward Jeff, it might be interesting to take you seriously. You sound like a woman scorned, with hell having no fury like...
I agree. This has many facts wrong. Justin is the one that can solve this case.
I would think that after 3 years of Ayla being missing, Justin would be pushing to collect the lip. If they found her body at this late date it would be hard to prove who committed the crime.Yet not a word from him only Trista claiming she thinks Ayla is deceased. Is she one of the beneficiaries? She can't be because she said she didn't know about it right?
He could have named her without telling her but the cops would have told her when they told her about the policy.
Did the police tell her about the policy?
Why yes Dana, they did. The same time they told her about the blood, then asked her to wear a wire. At the Balloon Vigil.
Do you have any link for this information about LE asking Trista to wear a wire?
Anyone who thinks that Justin would pay for a LIP and put Trista as a beneficiary, didn't notice the venom from Justin toward Trista. Justin hates Trista and further hated that Trista brought a child into the world that Justin had to pay for. I'm willing to bet only Justin was the beneficiary of any LIP.
Most of the pertinent information regarding the disappearance of Ayla Reynolds has come directly from Jeff Hanson and Trista Reynolds. Damn little actual evidence, or facts, have come from LE. Mostly it's been confirming or not commenting on something Jeff and Trista said.So if you discount everything we know from Jeff and Trista, what do we really know?There was some kind of agreement that Justin take Ayla in October 2011. On Nov 11, 2011, Ayla's arm was broken. On Dec 17, 2011 Justin reported Ayla missing. He reported her missing with her arm in a cast and a sling, but later claimed she only needed a splint. LE stated it was not suspicious. Blood was found, and the find was troubling, and Justin took out a life insurance policy on Ayla. Justin was told the results of his polygraph, and police do not believe that Ayla was kidnapped, and that Justin, Elisha, Courtney, and possibly Phoebe know more than they are saying.Did I miss anything?
"Did I miss anything?"Yeah. You seem to know everything. So what happened to Ayla and where is she? What's your theory?
Yes, the investigators believe that Ayla IS deceased and that she did not leave that house via kidnapping or abduction.
Grace I think everyone knows what you think happened. The question I have is who do you think took Ayla from the house?
Dana, I don't know who may have taken Ayla from the house. And Anon 4:30am, I don't know everything. In fact, I know very little about this case other than what I stated above and what crap Trista and Jeff have fed us. What I do know is bullshit when I hear it.
"What I do know is bullshit when I hear it."__________________ITA, Grace. When BS is intentionally introduced, EVERYTHING regarding this case is brought into question.
It is what it is and no one has proven to my satisfaction what happened. They can say LE just as much as said Ayla is dead and Justin or one of the other 3 did it. The fact is LE didn't actually say it, so my jury is still out.
Didn't actually say what? They indeed said they believed that Ayla was dead. Did they spend much time in knocking down doors trying to find Ayla? They should have linked up with Justin. But he didn't try either, did he?Someone or something told LE Ayla was most likely in the river. They didn't waste all that taxpayer money on river searches just for training exercises.
Justin or one of the other 3 did it.
Somebody assuming Dana's identity? Does not sound like Dana.
Shouldn't Jeff tell people to call MSP with tips instead of a contact form that presumably goes to him? Will he be editing those tips for "clarity" before sending to MSP?http://www.aylareynolds.com/anon/anon.html
CG has not commented in some time after being very prolific for over two years. As A1 pointed out, Jeff is no longer soliciting funds for a lawyer.Interesting. Maybe not related. But hmmm
Or maybe it is because you drove CG nuts hounding her.
Anon 10:43, so you believe it's possible that a person could be hounded into silence based on some words on a blog? I'm sure the paternal family and friends will be happy to hear it.
"I would think that after 3 years of Ayla being missing, Justin would be pushing to collect the lip. If they found her body at this late date it would be hard to prove who committed the crime."They are not going to find her body. Don't would-be claiments have to wait a period of seven years for a legal declaration of death?Besides, the examples of so many people going unpunished for killing their kids because there's no body is legion across this country. I am going to bet that if there is anything in this world that Justin wants less than Ayla's body turning up, it is highly talented and well-paid insurance investigators disputing his claim. Justin will be happy to let sleeping cases fade into oblivion. Unless he's crazy, which I don't think he is.
I don't think you have to wait 7 years just prove it is likely the person is deceased which would be very easy to prove in Ayla's case however an insurance company won't pay out if the death is suspicious and since LE has concluded Ayla didn't walk out the door herself and fall into the river etc, her death is extremely suspicious and likely no insurance company will pay out until Justin is cleared as a suspect which isn't likely to happen
I think Justin would have to answer a whole lot of questions before any LIP payment was issued to him! That is what he likely will never do.
"If Ayla was, by chance, alive out there somewhere, who would she be with? Someone that the Dipietros would stand to have her. Otherwise they would have had a fit about her being taken. They just want the whole thing forgotten so if she is alive, who might have her?"Let's see: it has to be someone who has watched the tiny house, learned than three young adults will go to bed promptly at 10:00 on a Friday night and not wake up, took Ayla without a sound, and left without leaving a single trace of himself/herself in the process.In other words: an alien. "Beam me up, ET!"
How many pieces of evidence did LE take from the house? It sounded like a whole bunch. Those of you that don't believe the blood evidence, what was in all the evidence bags LE took?And why their behavior? They sure act like Ayla is no where to be found?And now Heidi and Derek are silent as well. Does this mean they know the blood evidence Trista released was the truth? I think so.
Why do people believe the Dipietros story? It is possible but not reasonable.LE does not believe their story. Why do any others?
Some can't accept that Ayla may be dead. No body, cops won't say for sure she is dead. Therefore, some will go on believing Ayla is alive.Some believe that since there are no arrests of the DiPietros, the evidence is cannot be there of guilt.Some believe the cops mismanaged the investigation from the get go.Some say criminals can sneak into houses unheard and unseen. Happens all the time.Some say Trista lies and she lied about the blood evidence.Some say Trista is behind it all. Not the DiPietros.Some say Justin is not capable of harming Ayla.
Was Justin not capable of pushing Courtney? Or throwing Ayla in the air? Or kicking in doors? Or watching his brother beat a munchkin?
No proof of him throwing Ayla or kicking in doors.One event is an accusation by liar Trista. The other was a stated worry from liar Phoebe.Courtney denied he pushed her. According to **Katie**.Watching his bro beat up a weakling? Justin didn't see anything! His mind must have been elsewhere. Perhaps he entered a fugue state sometimes associated with one's desire to escape from one's usual environment and caused by forms of hysteria or epliepsy.
Well gee, maybe they are all lying and Ayla is not even missing if that the case.
Yeah, that's the ticket! Ayla is not missing. Justin and Trista are playing us!
Here's a niggling question about LIPs: did Derek get Justin to take out a LIP on Justin's (first) son? If not, why not? Evidently, the two moms didn't have to be consulted about a LIP on their kids. Did Derek even know about Justin's son? Best buddies usually know that kind of big-boy stuff about each other.
I wondered that too. And did Phoebe know about the other child?
Good question. Was she worried about Justin and child support for that child?Maybe there was no LIP on Justin's other child because he wasn't under Justin's direct care.
If it were not for Trista, Ayla would have gotten very little news coverage. Google it. Justin spoke when he had too, usually after Trista prompted it. That alone is very telling. It was not a real accident or 911 would have been called when she first got hurt and he would have his insurance moo la now. He hurt her. It may have not been intentional but it was violent. And she had to be hidden where no one would find her.
Maybe what happened to Ayla was a real accident, but she wasn't discovered in time to get her medical help. Someone, then, went into a panic and compounded the fracture..
Maybe little Ayla was hurt earlier in the week and they waited too long to get her help thinking she seemed to be okay, or getting better.
"If it were not for Trista, Ayla would have gotten very little news coverage."And she was majorly thumped for it as her speaking out was "self-promoting", "inconsistent" and "vicious".In contrast to Trista's speaking out, Justin was practically silent and invisible, but for some it was "understandable" because he was so "reviled" by the public for anything he tried to say and do.Different strokes....
I am leaning towards State testing before allowing some people to breed. Also death penalty for anyone harming or molesting children.
Wow! Great idea! It would entail hiring a new class of civil servants to monitor/test the would-be breeders. And those new additions to the civil service would be just for the newly marrieds who want to breed! Think about tracking down the ones who don't even want to breed but are doing it anyhow and the ones who think you can't get pregnant while having sex standing up! The givernement work force would quadruple!
I think it is good to stimulate the economy plus decrease the rate of population growth, a win win.
No just clowning around, a little bored.
Ignoring the blood in the basement because we can't know the quantity found, what do you think of the idea that Justin, with help from family or friends, gave or sold Ayla away in an illegal adoption? Could Justin and his family endure the accusations of the police and the suspicions of some in the public that Ayla came to harm under their care? Just to protect those in Ayla's "adoption"?How many still believe in a stranger abduction of Ayla, again ignoring the blood found in the house. Anyone on board for an abduction by someone who knew the details of the movements inside the house because they were acquaintances of the family?
I don't think you can ignore the blood. That is like saying I don't want to look at something because it is too terrible but really it is still there. An abduction was ruled out by LE.
Ignore the blood as the Ayla-is-alive moderates do? They believe only three or four drops of Ayla's blood was found and was likely the result of a nosebleed or cut foot incurred long before Ayla vanished. They believe LE lied or Trista lied about the blood. They believe the DiPietros have never lied.
I think Grace believes that Justin and Trista were aligned in some kind of a scheme to get rid of Ayla for fun and profit. But things went wrong, and both parties to the scheme had to recalculate.
Why would she think that?
I don't know because I don't follow anyone who believes in astrological influences in this case. I sooner get out my Ouija board. Lots more fun.
Who is Rick H? I didn't see the name on FFA before it was edited. Anyone here know?
No idea. Further, I have no idea why the comment was permitted to post. I guess it is cool to just let an Anonymous poster (troll?) drop a name on FFA and allow the comment to go unchallenged. I'm certainly glad that MM edited out the last name, but she also indicates that rumor and hearsay are fair play on FFA. Why the need to out the identity of Phoebe's alibi? It has been stated that "Phoebe's alibi was verified that night, Phoebe was in Augusta with a male friend. Police checked her alibi early on and were comfortable with the veracity of her claim."My sympathies to all the "Rick H's" that live in Maine. It just wasn't your day...
Well, they let you post there.
She must not have a mirror.
Let's examine this. We can believe the MSP's statement on Phoebe's alibi, but not what the police say about Trista's alibi. Do I have that right?
Let's not forget the anonymous source that informed of both of Justin's arrest before the media knew.
I bet people know many things about Justin and this case. LE seems to watch him. They know the truth of what was in the house.
Where does jusin live now? Work?How has this changed his life, if it has?
"Work" and "Justin" in the same sentence?
How do u know he isn't working?
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Why depressed...if he is guilty, he got away with it. If innocent, he has done himself no favors by acting like an uncaring father. That was his choice.
I would guess depressed if he did hurt her. It has to be stressful. No job. All the kids that you worry about. Taking care of his mom and sister. Oh wait, he doesn't seem to care about his family very much does he.
TIME to shut down the site. It no longer serves a useful purpose.
Useful to WHOM? The guilty?Keep talking...
No longer useful for Ayla. It has become a place of gossip for people with personal agendas. A battle ground for hateful people instead of helpful.Everytime someone states they are hopeful Ayla is alive they get bombarded with attacks of not being intelligent. Of not being realistic and unable to form an educated opinion.
And everytime someone states a negative opinion about the paternal family, they are attacked by people who claim to have a higher purpose and basically don't.
See what I mean, case and point shut it down.
What is your motivation Anon 1:41?
Along with sheer frustration on the progression of this case. Which is non existent on LE's part..
When they don't like what is said, some control freak wants to shut down the conversation or censor what is said. Happens all the time.
A couple of weeks ago I was in a dark period in my life, the man I love to bits had gone off with someone else, that was when I was told about this Esango Priest. Well he told me he could see that we would get back together that gave me hope, and he was right, because this week we have moved in with each other and we are so happy. A big thank you to Esango Priest. If you are in need of an angel please get in touch with my Esango Priest via email:firstname.lastname@example.org
We have our own God with angels that will lead us down the right path. No need to contact someone that will just take our money when we already know them ourselves.
Now we have trolls trying to spam us.
"Everytime someone states they are hopeful Ayla is alive they get bombarded with attacks of not being intelligent. Of not being realistic and unable to form an educated opinion."Grow up, suck it up, or avoid the site. Simple.
Anonymous 12:18,As someone who believes that Ayla IS alive, I understand your frustration.I disagree though that the site is no longer useful for Ayla.Any time someone speaks about Ayla it is useful, and serves a purpose.As well as it allows for a place for many to express their thoughts about Ayla, and her case, that are not comfortable doing so at other places. Yes, at times there is gossip, rumors, and hateful comments. There always has been, it's not new.Don't let negative opinions or hatefulness get you down. It is certainly NOT unrealistic or uneducated to have hope that Ayla is alive, nor to believe that she IS alive.L.E. has not pronounced Ayla deceased, only certain individuals, who have no way of knowing. Try to keep a positive attitude Anonymous.
Can you give reasons for it being realistic?You are dismissing many things I believe.
1.) If you don't believe LE's pronoucements on this case, or you pick and choose which to acknowledge as probably true, then you can believe that Ayla is alive, and happy. With whom? Does it matter? She's okay!2.) If you believe the police are bunglers, Trista is a liar, and Jeff Hansen is a scam artist, then you can believe that the DiPietros are unfairly maligned. They are grief-stricken people, victimized first by LE, then by Trista, and finally by "hateful" bloggers and posters. Meanwhile, happy-go-lucky Ayla is getting her costume ready for Halloween.3.) If you believe that the DiPietros are innocents (albeit oddly behaving, self-centered ones) who reject coming forward for Ayla, you will also believe their reticence is due to their being unfairly targeted by barbarians and torch-bearing cretins. At the same time, you might also believe Ayla is alive with a Reynolds relative living in Lower Slobovia. An alternate belief would be that a kindly couple, desperate for a child, is rearing Ayla in the best, beloved traditions of the DiPietro-Reynolds nexus.Meanwhile, these beliefs loosely translate into the DiPietros are much more victimized than Ayla.4.) If you believe the DiPietros sleep very well at night, and it's only when they are subjected to public scrutiny do they react to Ayla's plight, then you might keep saying "hateful" things like this about them: "They, and their close supporters, show no concern for Ayla's welfare. ""They do not show anxiety for Ayla's well-being whether they believe she is living with a Reynolds cohort or a criminal stranger." Meanwhile, Justin has not knocked down any Reynolds' doors looking for Ayla ( contrary to Phoebe's worst fears, and her stated suspicions). Ayla's father has done little to keep Ayla's name in the forefront of the news. Justin hides from the media. Why? Because he is introverted, sensitive, and emotional. It is all about him; not about "Daddy's Princess". Unfortunately.
Go get a life, Penny. Seriously.The fact that if gives you satisfaction to cut into someone who holds out hope that Ayla is alive is beyond disturbing...
Penny you need to do something about your hormonal spikes. seriously
Thanks for the kind meds advice. I'm too old to be concerned about "hormones"as well as any kind of spikes, including your verbal ones. Seriously, McKee and friends...where is Ayla? Whom do you think has her? Where is she being held? Is she in good health, happy in her new home? Where are all your ideas/theories for helping to prove Ayla is alive? I think your hides do not get prickly about hormonal and vicious people saying you are crazy for believing Ayla is alive. No, I believe your anxiety is really about any talk arising about those people who were the last to see Ayla before she "wasn't here"? McKee, you seem to have little interest in whether Ayla is alive. I seem to recall you being mostly interested topics having to do with Trista's alibi and how everything she says is "bullshit". I think you have implied that that indelicate term might also apply to LE in the little they have released about the blood. No arrests and all. If the little the DiPietros have released also falls into the "bullshit" column, McKee, you will be in a muddle.Perhaps Ayla didn't exist.You do believe in Phoebe's alibi without reservation, though, because the LE backed her up. LE also said they knew where Trista was. In which case, are the "bungling" police on target half the time? Talk about a stalled McKee first act!Someone asked, how can one believe Ayla is alive. I gave an answer. It's just what I think. Nobody is being water boarded into believing as I do. No one here is likely to change his or her views because of anything I say. Some won't think well of anything I say because I say it. I must remember that Goodwill is the prime concern when a toddler goes missing and her caretakers are the last to see her. Sensitive souls here have trouble with the DiPietros being talked about in any way. The DP stories are rarely questioned. The DiPietro defense meters rise sky high here when anything the family says and does are looked upon by others with suspicion.One poster even defended Justin against slurs of him being constitutionally opposed to wearing a condom . This occured when news of his latest "unplanned" (I presume) child erupted. The poster gave the stats on failed condoms. And they say I fall apart whenever Trista is mentioned!
"One poster even defended Justin against slurs of him being constitutionally opposed to wearing a condom . This occured when news of his latest "unplanned" (I presume) child erupted. The poster gave the stats on failed condoms"LOL Penny,I meant the comment as a PSA. There are so many people who believe that condoms are 99 to 100 % effective as birth control. They're NOT. If one person read it and learned something, good. There are too many unwanted pregnancies and children in this world.
A-1, mea culpa! I didn't recall it was you, or that you had higher motivations in writing about JD and his condoms or lack of same.You are an agreeable and kind poster. I always enjoy your self- restraint, even when I don't agree with you. I wish I could emulate it!
I love Penny!
Poor misguided Penny 30 years as a teacher has left her snarky.
Justin knows where Ayla is. I truly believe that. She was hurt a few times in that house. Her arm. And blood in whatever amount. There was no abduction. The three are not telling the truth. LE is focused on what happen to Ayla in that house. I don't think Justin hurt her on purpose.
Some sort of crime did happen. Ayla is missing. It is one thing for people to want to believe she is alive. It is another thing to make excuses for for someone who has committed a crime. LE has told us many times that they are focused on what happened in that house and who is not telling the truth.
I guess the way things are set up in Maine, the prosecutor cannot charge anybody for obstructiong justice because if they do, then whatever evidence used to prosecute the obstruction case, cannot be used again if the AG launches a murder prosecutuon. I don't get it, but Maine seems to have some roadblocks in prosecuting anyone for lesser imvolvement in Ayla's death.I think this case can be summed up as one where nobody in LE or in Maine's prosecutor's office will do anything until Ayla's body is found. Honestly, does anyone believe the burying of the body was left to chance? I think care was taken to assure those involved that Ayla will remain undiscovered.Even if the body were to be found today, it is unlikely that it could reveal Ayla's COD.Think about discovering the body twenty years from now. She was so small, God love her!
Anonymous 8:13 am."Some sort of crime did happen. Ayla is missing."......Absolutely, I think there is complete agreement on that.."It is another thing to make excuses for someone who has committed a crime"......Who committed the crime of causing Ayla's disappearance? We don't know the answer to that. I certainly don't know. There has been no arrest, trials, or convictions. Therefore, how can someone be making excuses for someone who has committed a crime?"LE has told us many times that they are focused on what happened in that house and who is not telling the truth"......Of course L.E was focused on the home where Ayla was living, along with the people in the home, where she was reported missing from. L.E. has been investigating Ayla's disappearance for almost 3 years, yet there has been no arrest. I don't know about you anonymous, but I, personally, can't in clear conscience, accuse anyone of committing a crime that I don't have clear and sufficient facts to support.Likewise, I personally, have not seen, nor heard, clear and sufficient evidence to show me that Ayla is deceased.
A jury can convict with circumstantial evidence, I can determine what happened to Ayla with the circumstantial evidence I've heard. Based solely on the investigators (Maine State Police/FBI), I can conclude: Ayla is deceased, she was not kidnapped or abducted from the DiPietro home, the three adults are lying or hiding information about what really happened. My logical conclusion based on only the information given by the MSP, Ayla is deceased and one of the three (or Phoebe) killed her. Why do I throw Phoebe in there too? Because by her own mouth she claimed to be there and no one knows "when the murder" took place. We only know when the 911 call was made. One can logically assume that everything said by any of the three (and Phoebe) were lies to hide a murder. Other than knowing WHO the killer is, the rest can be logically concluded from the evidence. The only reason there has not been any arrest, the investigators do not know "who" either.
Anon, I can logically conclude that you would never survive voir dire.
As long as all four keep clammed up, it's a pretty good bet that no one will be charged with anything. They all will have to wonder if anyone of them is going to blunder, after having a drink too many, and say something to the wrong person."Because by her own mouth she claimed to be there and no one knows "when the murder" took place. We only know when the 911 call was made." I agree that we don't know when it could have happened. I'm betting that it occurred on the day of the 16 th when Justin and Ayla were alone. Phoebe was at work and Elisha at school. I don't believe Derek was there with his son, but he may have been called there to help Justin after the "accident".Justin's 911 call was made after everyone agreed on a time to call. Scripts were memorized. But the cops found out very soon that something the four were telling the police didn't click as true. Maybe they found out that Courtney didn't come to the house until early Sat. morning and not on Friday evening as justin said. Perhaps they discovered that Derek couldn't have been there on the morning of the 16th to se Ayla alive. They were called liars and there had to be a reason fore the police to be that blatant in their disbelief.
Why would LE offer to show Heidi evidence or speak with her about this case?Hmmmm
They wouldn't and probably didn't. More of Trista and Jeff's lies.
Naw, Heidi said LE said thing like they were speaking directly to her.
Maybe the cops approached Heidi to look at the evidence photos because she was acting as DiPietro lay lawyer?I realize that some here do not believe that there were any photos of any "crime scene" in the first place.Where is Heidi, by the way? Is she still in her old home, or has she moved? Does she still take care of kids? Defending the DiPietros to the extent really was a brave, or foolish, action on her part, which ever you want to believe. But why wasn't she more concerned about Ayla's health with possible perverts? She seemed far less concerned with Ayla than with Justin.
Yes, and I have not heard her speak about a case for Ayla. Phoebe did not exactly say it was not true either. You would think if it was not true they would all be screaming from the rooftops about it. I think LE hoped she would tell them anything she had learned by offering to show her. I think the boys lied to her and she believed it all.
I'd like to know what part Derek played in the whole thing.. I can't think that being the mother of Justin's friend would entail this much devotion to him and his family if your son is not somehow involved. Especially when the cops are saying your son's friend is lying in his own child's disappearance.
How long did Courtney stay at Heidi's home? She had her own home. I have adult sons. Some of there friends I have know for a long time and am fond of them. But. I can not see myself going to the extremes Heidi did. This hurt their incomes I bet. This had to be stressful. It sounds like the Tudelas were respected people. People wanted to believe what this family thought.
Continuing their support for DiPietro has made them the target of criticism, but they won’t back down unless police can prove he was involved in any wrongdoing, she said. “There’s nothing that says he has done something. It’s as simple as that,” she said. “And, if he were to be proven guilty of something, I would still be OK with (having supported him), because it was still the right thing to do. Do I believe he is guilty? Absolutely not. But, I still would’ve been OK with what I did, because it’s still the right way to go about it. You don’t convict somebody without evidence.”They have backed down, it seems.
“There’s nothing that says he has done something. It’s as simple as that,” she said. “And, if he were to be proven guilty of something, I would still be OK with (having supported him), because it was still the right thing to do."Well, come on, Heidi!The police say he has done somethig wrong. Not telling all he knows about his daughter's disappearance. Not telling the truth about it. Claiming that Ayla was taken by an outsider when there is no evidence of an abductor. Evidence of Ayla's blood in his basement without any consistent explanation for why it is there.. Heidi could have supported him in private. She chose to become his spokesperson, perhaps because he is a wussy about facing the media and answering any questions. And, in truth he doesn't handle questions well. Heidi chose to become his defense lawyer because nothing she said could be held against him, later. Her words belonged to surrogate mommy, not Justin.Defense lawyers want their clients to say nothing to anyone. Anything a suspect says can boomerang on them. Defense counselors want their clients to be mute. They're also infamous for not wanting to know anything about what their clients may have done. They don't want to know the facts; it hampers the defense. Heidi passed up seeing any crime scene photos because she had to go on defending Justin. The photos would have contradicted her own "only three or four drops of blood" story. The question is why a woman would go on such a public, rigorous defense of her son's friend. Mere affection cannot be the whole answer.
And why does she think it is the right thing to do? I think she repeated untruths that were fed to her. Justin is not telling truth about something.
What the hell difference does it make what Heidi said or did. Penny what the hell do you know about what anyone passed up? You guys are a pain in the ass with your arm chair detective crap.
Somebody is getting nervous in the service.
I believe Heidi's sister said she/Heidi passed up seeing the evidence slide photos.
crazies and speculators, no proof of anything, victims of your own ignorance. Keep the gossip going and have fun.
There is proof. The blood is proof and Circumstantial evidence is evidence in a case which can be used to draw inferences about a series of events. It is also known as indirect evidence; the opposite is direct evidence. This type of evidence is an important part of any criminal trial, and both sides in a trial will generally try to find some to support themselves. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to obtain a conviction with the use of circumstantial evidence, if it is backed up by corroborating evidence and other factual information.
Very little proof and no proof of who did what or there would be arrests and a trial date.No proof positive of no abduction only an opinion.
Keep on chanting that. Looks as if they got away with it. Where's Ayla? How is she faring? Why doesn't Justin go get her?
It matters a great deal what Heidi said. She spoke more about this than Justin's family. She convinced many people that Justin did nothing wrong. She told us about the blood spatter she saw. She may not have meant too, but that is what she did. She is very involved in this case.
She saw "pinpoints" of blood. Not a pattern to come from a cut foot.
When Justin was interviewed, with great PR from the Sentinel and his interview "saved" by importance to the Sunday edition, who did the interview?Madame Counselor Tudela. Why did she take on this heavy, some say desperate role? To call attention to herself like Trista is accused of doing in every interview she gave?No, because Justin would or could not defend himself and somebody had to do it. Somebody with a bit more finesse than any of those involved from Violette Avenue. But there had to be a bigger reason than friendship?
Did Heidi back away from the "thre or four" blood drops? I thought she finally said she only saw a picture of them outlined. When was the last time we heard from any of the Tudelas?Or was their a great collective sigh of relief from there mansion when there was no arrest? No need to patter on after that.
"We did nothing wrong!" But what did you do,Elisha, that wasn't wrong?Why can't we learn what you all did do that 16th of December? Everything at that house shrouded in mystery. Nobody talking. No concern for the abducted child.Worried dad Justin: Ayla probably thinks it's a game. She's adjusting to her new surroundings".