Tuesday, September 9, 2014

How Many Kids Does Justin Have?

STATE OF MAINE PROBATE COURT CUMBERLAND, ss NOTICE TO PUTATIVE FATHER ABOUT PENDING ADOPTION In the Matter of the Adoption Petition of: Zane Alley This notice is directed to Justin DiPietro 29 Violette Avenue Waterville Me 04901 that Angela Alley wishes to consent to the adoption of her child named Zane Alley who was born on January 23, 2014 or to execute a surrender and release of her rights to the child which will allow the child to be adopted. She has named you as the father of said child. You have not consented to the adoption according to the records of this Court. The adoption, consent or the surrender and release has been filed and is pending in the Probate Court in Cumberland County. If you wish to establish your parental rights to this child, you must, within 20 days from the date this notice was served, file a petition with the Judge of the Probate Court in Cumberland County requesting that the judge grant to you parental rights of this child. You must file your petition with the Court in Cumberland County Probate Court at 142 Federal Street Portland Me 04101 and send a copy of the petition to the mother at 28 State Street Gorham Maine 04038. If you file a petition within 20 days you must include an allegation that you are in fact the birth father of the child and the Judge will set a date for hearing to determine whether you shall have parental rights to this child. If you do not petition within 20 days, the Judge shall rule that you have no parental rights and that only the birth mother of the child need consent to the adoption or execute a surrender and release. Upon such a ruling, you lose all rights to prove that you are the child’s father or that you have any legal relationship with this child. If you want an attorney to represent you and you are unable to afford one, the court will appoint and pay for an attorney for you. You must come to this court in person or apply in writing for the appointment of an attorney within 20 days of service of this notice. If you have applied for the appointment of a lawyer, the court will extend the time in which you must petition to establish your parental rights until your attorney has had an opportunity to review this case and advise you. Dated: 8/25/14 John B. O’Brien Register of Probate

203 comments:

  1. Thanks Tori. So 2 besides Ayla?
    Does he have any contact with the other child?
    When did he and Courtney split?
    Hmmm

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    1. Well, when he was arrested for assault in July 2013, she was called his ex-girlfriend in news reports...

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  2. Sorry about the formatting, can't fix it on my iPad.

    So far we know of 3. This one was born in January of 2014 so must have been conceived sometime around April 2013....

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  3. Is this the same Angela Alley who is friends with AshleyP? Her baby on her facebook pics looks half black....

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    1. I don't know but would tend to think not especially since the children have different names so besides the obvious reasons, it is safe to assume that is not the baby in question

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  4. I hope this baby has a happy life.

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  5. https://myspace.com/angea2128

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  6. Someone that knows Justin might can answer this. What is he like? I don't understand why so many women find him attractive. I read about this case. Read things he has said about Ayla. Read the texts to Trista. I find him to be arrogant and cold. A jerk. Am I missing something?

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    1. If he has a job, he's better than a lot of guys out there. Girls set their standards too low these days.

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  7. Tori, where did you get this information?

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    1. Was it a public notice? In a paper?

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    2. Yes it was a public notice.

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    3. Yes it was in a newspaper trying to serve him in the legal notices section.

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    4. Justin no longer lives on Violette Ave?

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    5. I'm not sure. Pretty sure he keeps it as his permanent address but I have heard he has been in Portland

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  8. In fairness to Trista who has taken a beating on the same issue...

    Justin. Dude. You got a latex allergy or something? WRAP IT UP!

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  9. Wow. Put a raincoat on it dude. If there is 3 that are known about...how many more out there not known about?

    Yowzers.

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    1. Condoms are only moderately effective as a form of birth control.
      (maybe that's the issue)

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    2. What? I thought IF they were actually used & used properly they are like 99℅ effective.

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    3. Justin has the worse luck! He falls victim to these ruthless, sluttish bitches who live to lure Justin into their lairs to obtain his seed for procreation. Phoebe, your poor boy! Have a mother's talk with him, but please don't try to get control of this baby!

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    4. Hi ChickenLittle,

      Yes, "IF" a condom is used under perfect conditions it can be 98% effective in preventing pregnancy, says the CDC.

      Those perfect conditions include using the best types of condoms (Polyurethane or Latex), storing them properly, putting them on properly, and taking them off properly.
      Most typically those "perfect" conditions are not adhered to, leaving condoms moderately effective, about 82 to 85%.

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  10. How do you think this case will end? Will we get answers or will it be something that drags out forever?

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    1. I think the case has already come to its end. Obviously the Maine prosecutor won't go through with any arrests without a body. And prehaps not even then.

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  11. Does anyone know if Justin is responding to this? He doesn't want this child does he?

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  12. That Justin is such a cutie-patootie! What a way with women! Who could resist him? Sigh.

    Is this the single mom with whom Justin was said to be living after he and CR broke up? And this woman slept with him, got pregnant with him, and knew that Ayla had disappeared under Justin's "protection", and that Justin said he had "no idea of what happened to Ayla" ?

    I pray that poor child gets adopted. His mother doesn't want him and Justin has no business with him.

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  13. Did Justin ever have a father n his life? He does not seem to know how to be a man. He does not know how to be responcable. Does he ever think about tomorrow? Or other people?
    How can Derek be friends with this guy? How can Heidi stand up for this person?

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    1. According what the gossip says, Phoebe didn't want a man permanently in her life or in her children's lives telling her what to do so she never named any fathers. Some say the fathers were married men and unavailable for parental duty to her kids. Perhaps she did not know who the fathers were.

      Justin doesn't resemble Phoebe or Lance and Elisha. Justin looks like a changeling, and, of course, Ayla resembled Justin as a child in many photos.

      Some say Justin's father was a marine based near 29 Palms, CA,. Phoebe was said to have lived there at one time.

      So far no evidence of the DiPietro children being in touch with their fathers during the case, but who knows? "Aunt Selena", perhaps?

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    2. IIRC, Selena said on JSTL that Justin knew and had a relationship with his father.

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    3. If Aunt Selena was really posting as "Aunt Selena" and if she really knew anything. The real Aunt Selena was said to be on the outs with Phoebe and her family. You can say you are anybody on a blog. And that you know everything and are close to the family.

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  14. Unreal that there is no movement in this case!

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  15. I don't understand why no charges at all. Why didn't they charge Justin with something? It sounds like he told the cops about the same thing he told reporters. That is obstruction.

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    1. I cannot understand why the three Ayla caretakers who , according to the MSP are not telliing the truth about Ayla's disappearance, were not charged with obsyruction.
      But then lying family members of perps seldom are.

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  16. Incredible ! Justin's family and friends have always claimed that he was a responsible dad, that Trista's claims that he didn't want at first to be part of his daughter's life were not true. But now we see he had two more kids. unwanted by him. and he hasn't manned up, and he obviously doesn't know about contraception. Who are we to believe ???

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    1. Yes! Where's Derek? He claimed that Justin was "a half-way dencent guy"!
      Did he mean that Justin only goes halfway in the making of kids? He seeds'em, but doesn't raise 'em!

      Oh, wait. He had some trouble raising Ayla. He might be afraid of being bad luck to his kids.

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  17. Hi Nina, always nice to see your comments. :)
    I agree it seems unreal that there is no movement in Ayla's case. I'm hoping there is things moving forward that we just don't know about.

    Hi Bonnie,
    Nice to see you comment as well. I don't think I've seen one in awhile.
    You said....."But now we see he had two more kids. unwanted by him. and he hasn't manned up"

    I'm not sure that's accurate Bonnie. I know it seems that way because of things we've read on blogs. However, things aren't always what they seem. I haven't heard anything at all from Justin or his family about these other 2 children. I don't know his thoughts or feelings concerning them.
    In regards to the public notice above, it seems like paternity hasn't even been established. Why not? Not saying, he isn't the father, he may well be. He may not be.
    I don't know the particulars surrounding this adoption.
    Therefore, I can't draw the conclusion that he doesn't care about or want this child.
    It could be that Justin thinks the adoption is the best thing for this child. Given his circumstances, I could certainly understand that. It takes a very loving, caring parent to realize that adoption may be the best thing for your child.
    Or perhaps he has answered this petition and is establishing his paternity and his rights. ??.

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    1. I wonder why the mother didn't have DNA testing done to establish the child's paternity. Maybe it is too expensive and she knows definitely the child's father is Justin. Is she the single mom he was living with post Courtney?

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    2. Where are Katie and Ashley on this topic?

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  18. Holy crap, would someone please neuter this guy? Offer him a free vasectomy? He really needs to stop getting with all these women. I gotta wonder how many STD's he has by now... it's obvious he doesn't want kids because kids means paying child support and being responsible, something he obviously doesn't want to do.

    Well at any rate, i was hoping for some update on Ayla. It's been so many years now and I still wonder to myself "will they ever find her?" I do hope so. Her poor family. The torment they go threw everyday.. bless their hearts. I am so sad that after so long and still no answers, still no justice, and Justin is just free as a bird to run around making all the babies in the world. So sad.

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    1. If Justin is successful in stopping the adoption (if he wants to) of his son, does that mean that he will automatically get custody of the little boy? Will the mother be out of the picture entirely and will Justin be considered the only parent, the sole one responsible for the child?

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    2. That's a scary thought, isn't it?

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    3. Well, it sems the child's mother can't or doesn't want to keep the child and thinks adoption is a better course for her and the boy.. Or perhaps she just doesn't want the boy period. Would she be interested in co-parenting if Justin showed an interest and a responsibility? How long would the interest last if Justin took the boy? Who would look after him? Elisha? Phoebe? Justin's new hook-up?

      Good thing, if Justin is the bio dad, that she gets it all settled legally before any adoption goes through.

      There's heartbreaking cases of children being adopted by stable, loving couples and losing those children because the bio dad appears years later and legally claims the child because he didn't know about the child, or he didn't sign off on the adoption.

      Nothing like a child getting ripped from loving adopted parents to cause heartbreak all around.

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  19. I don't see how anyone has come to the conclusion that this mother doesn't want her child. How do we know that she isn't petitioning the court for her current boyfriend or husband to adopt the child and legally be the father since Justin is an absent parent

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    1. Good point, Tori.

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    2. Its because of the way this is worded Tori..."that Angela Alley wishes to consent to the adoption of her child named Zane Alley who was born on January 23, 2014 or to execute a surrender and release of her rights to the child which will allow the child to be adopted."
      She wants to surrender her rights to the child. It doesn't mean a family member isn't planning to adopt him though.

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    3. It says she wants to consent to adoption.... which could be having her husband adopt so they are both parents... or surrender and release her rights... so she would be giving up her rights
      it is legal boilerplate that covers both options

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    4. I don't see how it's anyone's business why this woman is taking this action.

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    5. Anonymous 10:51,

      I agree, it really isn't anyone's business, other than she & Justin
      Yet the notice was brought here for discussion. People are going to discuss it.

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    6. I'll bet Tori is re-thinking her decision to post the notice.

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    7. No I'm not. It may not be any of our business to speculate the mothers intentions but it does relate to Justin and it was in the paper and is a legal, public notice so whether it is our business or not, it is something that people are going to discuss.

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    8. I was referring to those that give you flack whenever anything bad about Justin comes up and you post it. Sometimes I'd think it isn't really worth the headache for you to post anything negative about JD.

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    9. You get used to it after awhile. Can't please them all... :)

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    10. I would never give you flack Tori, but it is funny they can question JD,s character but Trista is always off limits. I just say use a level playing field. I realize she went missing on his watch.

      I am sure he didn't force Trista to sleep with him. Yes he should have manned up, and taken care of Ayla. As well he should man up and support any other children he has running around.

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    11. I think Trista has had her share of people posting negatively about her.
      This fair deal attitude for JD usually means Trista should get her equal share of blame for Ayla's misfortune. If I unwisely walk to a store late at night and I am robbed and assaulted, am I equally to blame as the criminal for my predicament?

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    12. Anon 4:02-your analogy doesn't quite fit. It's not a case of you unwisely walking into a store late at night. It's a case of sending your child into that store alone, knowing there was a robber inside, and expecting the store clerk to be responsible for your child.

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  20. This is just another way to express dislike of Justin's character and life style. No one is saying he is a great role model for manhood or mankind. Tell me is Trista married or are any of her men supporting their children they had with her? Haven't any of these women Justin has been with heard of the birth control pill, or family planing?

    Young people today evidently were never explained that "if you want to dance you have to pay the fiddler". That or they just don't care what the consequences are.

    I fail to see how any of this discussion will bring justice for Ayla.

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    1. "I fail to see how any of this discussion will bring justice for Ayla."

      "Justice for Ayla..."? Don't you mean " will bring Ayla home?" Have you moved to the dark side, Dana?

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    2. Tell me is Trista married or are any of her men supporting their children they had with her? Haven't any of these women Justin has been with heard of the birth control pill, or family planing? "

      Trista seems, at least, to be taking care of her children. Minus one.

      Ever heard of guys pressuring women to have sex with "Don'y worry, honey! I've had a vasectomy. I'm safe!"

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    3. Not yet. Although I don't know as we will ever see her or know what really happened.

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    4. Anon 8:19 If you would buy a line like that I feel sorry for you.

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    5. I suppose he could also said if you jump up and down after you won't get pregnant. sheesh

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    6. I'm glad I could help brighten your day.

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  21. Dana, with his censoring cap ready to apply to head.

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    1. It's too bad Trista isn't giving up one of her boys for adoption, huh? What a endless and charitable discussion that action would bring!

      Oh, and why isn't Grace chiming in with her planetary knowledge of all things Justin, Trista, and their circles of relatives and friends?

      What happened to Grace's blog? She can post, but nobody can comment. Easy, peasy.

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    2. I'm having some WordPress issues that we can't figure out, but I'm here. What would you like to know?

      My opinion on this subject is that it is hardly news. I think it is more interesting that Justin couldn't be found to be served, hence the public notice.

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    3. If there was an ass cap I would suggest you wear it..

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    4. Grace: "What would you like to know?"

      Grace , so Justin coudn't be found? Did he leave the state? Or just hiding out?
      Was this woman of the notice the single mom JD took up with post Courtney?
      Does Justin have a new woman he's manipulating?

      "My opinion on this subject is that it is hardly news. "

      Don't be coy, Grace. None of us gets info from the confluence of Mercury entering Libra. We depend upon your interstellar insight for news..

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    5. Confluence - 1) a place where two rivers or streams join to become one, 2) a situation in which two things come together or happen at the same time.

      I don't think that accurately describes Mercury entering Libra, which happened Sept 2, 2014.

      That being said, do you feel better now?

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    6. I sure do! And I stand corrected! But you still haven't explained why a third Justin kid is not news for you. You are a hit and run, Grace. So be it.

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    7. You did not specifically ask me why this child is not news to me. I didn't say it wasn't news to me, I said it wasn't "news", as in pertinent to the disappearance of Ayla. It was as much news to me as anyone when Tori brought it here to be discussed. I also do not know the answers to the other questions you asked, but you knew that.

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    8. Grace, why not use Blogger--it's free and comments work just fine.

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    9. Well I still have access to the Start the Lies Blog...

      LOL

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  22. AnonymousSeptember 13, 2014 at 7:54 PM
    "It says she wants to consent to adoption.... which could be having her husband adopt so they are both parents... or surrender and release her rights... so she would be giving up her rights..
    it is legal boilerplate that covers both options"

    HUH? Convoluted ...to say the least.

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  23. Why would a mother who intends for her (new) partner or husband to adopt this child have to give up her parental rights.

    In case of a relative or friend wanting to adopt the child, I can see why she would give up her rights.

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    1. She doesn't. She does have to consent. The boilerplate is worded "consent...or surrender and release" with the "or" indicating she wants to do one or the other.

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    2. In Maine, the mother has to sign the adoptive paper work as the adoptive mother, regardless of her biological connection to the child. My husband adopted my son last summer, and even though I had all legal rights to him (his father had relinquished his) I still had to sign over, and re-sign as the adoptive parent. It's a legal situation that has to be dealt with in a strange way, but it is fairly simple. Below is the information I received from my lawyer prior to my son's adoption...

      "Adoption is a process that can only be accomplished by going through procedures in the Probate Court. In the simplest of cases, this involves petitioning the court, appearing for a hearing, and going through a couple other procedures.
      If the biological father is unknown or if his whereabouts are unknown, there is a process that you can go through at the Probate Court to go through with an adoption notwithstanding that fact. However, the judge would most likely order “notice by publication.” This means that the judge would order that certain information be published (most likely in the local newspaper) in order that anybody out there that may have a claim of being the biological father is given notice. Because adoption involves terminating one or both parents parental rights over a child, each biological parent must have notice in order for the adoption to go through. What would be published would probably be the fact that an adoption process has been initiated, your name, and the child’s name and date and place of birth. There would be a certain period of time for a putative father to respond (usually 20 days unless the court orders otherwise). If no one responds within the prescribed time period, then the adoption process can proceed without the biological father’s consent."

      The adoption will go through with or without Justin responding to the ad. It should also be noted that the mother may not know who the father actually is, and may have posted this in more than one newspaper, in more than one location. That is something we are not privy to for information. As long as the judge agrees that this is what is best for the child, it will happen. The judge ultimately has the final say - not DHS, not CPS, not the mother...

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    3. Sounds as if Maine stands to make a few extra shekels from this "simple" but unecessary procedure.

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    4. Katie, did I understand you as saying as the child's bio mother you had to relinquish your parental rights and become an adoptive mother in order to permit your husband to become an adoptive parent? Or did I misunderstand what you meant? I keep thinking I must have misunderstood.

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    5. I didn't relinquish my rights, so to speak. But when the paperwork was filed and the adoption decree signed, I was the adopting mother. They basically have you adopt your own child together so we were both listed as the adoptive parents, mine with fancy biological wrd next to it. I will look up the paperwork tomorrow afternoon just to be certain of the wording. It all happened so quickly with his bio-dad being willing to come to maine and sign his rights away and we just went with the flow my lawyer and the judge set for us.

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    6. Thanks, Katie. That is really a counter-intuitive process for sure.

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  24. "Someone that knows Justin might can answer this. What is he like? I don't understand why so many women find him attractive. I read about this case. Read things he has said about Ayla. Read the texts to Trista. I find him to be arrogant and cold. A jerk. Am I missing something?"

    Some friend of Justin's said he bullied her in high school, but she forgives him and sticks up for him.

    Some local posts said Justin and Lance were both bullies in school and gave examples of their bullying, ganging up on smaller kids as the younger, smaller kids walked home
    from school..

    He liked bullying Trista in texts we saw, but some avow she deserved it and gave as good as she got.

    Not allowing Trista to talk to Ayla after Dec. 8th, seems an example of bullying.

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    1. If Justin is still a bully, and people who know him are afraid of him, do you really think they are going to come online now and answer these questions? If they haven't before now? Just sayin...

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  25. They're not afraid of Justin. They're protective of him. They probably don't believe a word of the "abduction" story, but think it was some sort of an accident and Justin panicked.

    What kind of an accident could not be reported?

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  26. A great question from a previous thread. One to think about.

    In TC4A, Jeff states "We believe that a Grand Jury presented with this evidence would issue an indictment, enabling police to make arrests."

    Yet this blog reported that a Grand Jury heard the case back in February 2012. This means that either the GJ handed down indictments that the DA has failed to act upon (think JonBenet Ramsey case), or they didn't feel there was enough to indict.

    So why does the maternal family think that presenting the case to the GJ again will make any difference? The blood evidence has not changed since then.

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    1. How do you know that or anything about the blood evidence?

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    2. Common sense. The blood evidence was found sometime prior to Dec. 22, 2011, therefore it could not have "changed" since. They may know more about what it means through subsequent testing, but the facts could not have changed since the first grand jury.

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    3. We don't know if DNA was found on the blankets from the river. They were found after the grand jury met.

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    4. No, we don't. But we weren't talking about dna evidence, we were talking about the blood evidence, weren't we?

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    5. Just the fact that there is new evidence is enough to change things from the first grand jury. Is it enough? Probably not, seems the DA wants an airtight case which to me means a confession or a body

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    6. I agree. I hope people that grew up with Justin think about places they saw when kids and check for Ayla. Where could she have been hidden?

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    7. Do many think Ayla was tossed in one of the rivers? Or is that too much of a chancy removal?

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    8. The rivers sure were searched. I wonder if a tip or evidence caused LE to believe she was in the water?
      Most children's body's are found close to home. So would that be waterville or Portland?
      I hope Ayla is found.

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    9. I didn't pose the above question, however, yes, I understand it to be about the blood evidence.
      Specifically the blood evidence contained in the Case For Ayla, and the maternal family's belief that if it was presented to the GJ they would issue an indictment, as stated by Jeff.
      ......."We believe that a Grand Jury presented with this evidence would issue an indictment, enabling police to make arrests."

      As the person who posed the question stated, the blood evidence hasn't changed. (same amount, same places, same patterns)
      If the GJ that met in Feb. 2012 (if one did) didn't hand down an indictment based on this blood evidence, why would they now?
      The blood evidence has to be a major part of this case.

      Yes, MSP may have new evidence to present to a GJ. After 2 1/2 years I hope they do.
      Although we don't know for a fact that they do.

      As far as the blankets that are said to have been found at the damn, we don't know if they have anything at all to do with Ayla's case.

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    10. LE brought the blankets up to Justin. Why would they do that if they are not related to Ayla? A photo of them in the house or DNA? Too big of a deal was made for them not to be related. IMO

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    11. Was the backpack ever returned to Trista? Did LE find it in the river too?

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    12. I don't know if LE did show the photo of the blankets to Justin.

      What backpack? Are you referring to the "purple cameo bag?
      I don't know if it was returned to Trista or not. However, M.M. said a couple months ago that none of Ayla's things were returned to Trista. I don't know if that's accurate or not.

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    13. There were rumors that a backpack was found with the blankets.

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    14. As I recall a reporter said that he had gotten a "tip" that what was found at the damn was a pink baby blanket, and a small backpack.

      I wonder where he got that "tip"?. Was it a reliable source?
      What was found at the damn site?


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    15. Also, Justin was not telling all he knows. The others were not either. That would be something new to a grand jury.

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  27. "Anon 8:19 If you would buy a line like that I feel sorry for you."

    Dana, you appear to be a true naif! It's kind of sweet!

    Take a poll on how many women have fallen for this line! Or an amazing number of other lines offered by guys to get woman to fall into bed with them..

    I will admit that nowadays, women don't seem to need any sort of a line, though.. They're ready, willing and able to copulate on the same level as men. (No pun intended!). Still many of them find themselves in a position equal to Trista or Angela Alley. The gals still bear the children of these mostly merely sexual unions. The children often suffer the brunt of auch "arrangements". Generally speaking both mothers and children suffer a much lower economic future than those in stable relationships. Generally speaking.There's always exceptions.

    Off the soap box.

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    1. No I am genuine and serious. When I was young I was told not to play with anything I didn't want to spend my life with.

      I dated a few ladies and married the love of my life she is the only one that had any off spring of mine.

      The ladies I dated didn't drop their pants at the drop of a hat like some today. Morals meant something back then.

      On the same note I would not want to buy a pair of shoes everyone in town had tried on.

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    2. Thanks for the kinda sweet comment.

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    3. Dana, obviously you are a gent of the old school.

      When I was young most women looked for someone with whom she could build a nest. The sexual drifter was low on most women's lists as husband material. Marriages didn't always work out, of course, but women generally wanted the protection of marriage for any forthcoming children.

      There were always women around that thought they could play as fast and as loose as some men. Usually they were left holding the short end of the stick. Some came to their senses, got lucky and eventually found a good guy to marry and that guy would accept or even adopt the child of out the woman's sexual freedom. Women sometimes had to give their babies to their mother to claim as her own. Things were not always perfect.

      Marriage is now old fashioned in many quarters. A lot of women are equal to men in the fast and loose department and think they've earned the right

      Many childen are born within unstable hook-ups. No worries; the state, i.e the taxpayer, will help feather the nest for the sake of the child if the bio-dad is elusive or the little woman wants to be "independent" sans ties to one man..

      So are kids like Ayla all over this country better off being the result of mom's sexual freedom?

      I cannot imagine that Trista actually thought Justin was husband material, or would make a great father at his age and with his disposition. But maybe the "half-way" decent guy was half-way decent in the sack. Courtney did call him her "stud". He appears to be very adept at manipulation of women...up to a point.

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    4. Sexual promiscuity between two consenting adults who practice safe sex shouldn't be a morality issue. What IS immoral, IMO, are couples copulating without using birth control and bringing babies into this world who will never know a stable, healthy and loving home.

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  28. This is still a very interesting comment.
    Emerald Viridis said...
    Interestingly enough, Derek, on the 15th, by his own admission to a client and long time friend,was supposedly with Justin, at a "poker party", with other individuals in the basement of the house, and he said Ayla was fine, and was watching TV near them, and this was the last time he saw her...

    several weeks later his mother mentioned in an interview that the last time Derek saw Ayla was at a play-date with his son, the afternoon of the 16th, but that source was removed from the site it was on. Derek then posted a rebuttal shortly afterward saying that he indeed saw Ayla, but in the morning, not the afternoon...

    So, his story on the last time he saw her changed, and he has never made a public statement to clarify the details of this last sighting of a live Ayla, which I think is probably a lie to extend the timeline of her injury and death into the night so a kidnapping at night, with other mothers and children present to make the house look normal, could be used as an excuse...

    neither derek, nor his mother or even angela harry have stepped up to straighten out the facts and clarify the details surrounding their involvement, or this last sighting of Ayla, which I find odd since Heidi is overtly defensive of Justin and Derek for so much else, including the LIP, so why did she clam up about this detail all the sudden?
    I think is telling in its self... especially when Derek was one of the two Justin called before 911, and the fact he did not call Trista to see if she had her on some off chance...
    I wonder who was the first call, Derek or Phoebe, and at what times? now that might be almost as interesting as the 911 tapes themselves...
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    1. I find it odd that no one in the DiPietro family and friends gave any details on Ayla's last day(s) before she was "taken". From them, we can learn little about what Ayla did with certain persons on Violette Ave in the hours leading up to her vanishing.

      Phoebe explained only that there was no party on what we assumed she meant the NIGHT of the16th-17th since Justin reported Ayla missing on the morning of the 17th.

      Since it was rumored that neighbors neighbors described traffic and noise from the house on the night of the 16th as sounding like a party, Phoebe countered those rumors explaing that there was "no party" and that "it was a normal DAY".

      No detais were given of the normal activities of that "day". Nothing from her about the "night" of the 16th whether it was "normal" or not. She wasn't there and wasn't allowed to say anything about anything by edict of LE Phoebe suggested.

      Elisha said nothing. From Courtney, nothing. No one mentioned anything about Ayla's activities or schedule for that night except that Justin put her to bed at 8:00 or 10:00. Much later on, we learned that Elisha checked on Ayla at 10:00. Was she okay, then? Presumably? Elisha never elaborated..

      Strangely enough, Derek gives the most information in that he said he saw Ayla on the night of the 15th watching television. Did he see Ayla watching TV during the so-called poker party? Did anyone else at the poker party see Ayla on the night of the 15th? We don't know if there was any such party, but Derek must have been there to see Ayla watching TV..

      As you recounted, he later said that he saw Ayla in the morning of the 16th, correcting Heidi who had said Derek was there seeing Ayla in the afternoon of the 16th. I don't remember who first informed us of Ayla's "playdate" with Derek's son. Derek's corrected his mom's misinformation saying it occurred in the morning..

      I suppose thatlLeft Justin "hanging out with Ayla" at the house the rest of the day of the 16th, save the time he and Ayla were out Christmas shopping. Did any clerk see them out together? Unless, of course, their shopping was online and they were alone the rest of the "normal day" just hanging out.

      Are you thinking that Ayla met her fate much earlier than "the middle of the nigh" of the 16th-17th? Like on the morning or afternoon of the 16th, or even as early as the night of the 15th?.

      So why would it be necessary to fudge the time she disappeared? Are you suggesting this was done so Justin had witnesses in the house that she was taken during the night of the 16th-17th?

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  29. "Some of you may know that I was able to combine public and private interests to get a $98,000 grant from State Farm that funded the windmills at Cony High School."

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    1. "IIRC, Selena said on JSTL that Justin knew and had a relationship with his father."

      Wouldn't I like to know just what job his father has! And of course, add to that, Phoebe's boyfriend's name (He who must not be mentioned) and position.

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    2. So is that why no charges?

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    3. Let's not forget that Phoebe is a "tax evaluator" for the state of Maine. I dont know what her job entails exactly, but it sounds as if she could know quite a lot about a person's finances and what they have paid or not paid in taxes.

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  30. "neither derek, nor his mother or even angela harry have stepped up to straighten out the facts and clarify the details surrounding their involvement, or this last sighting of Ayla,"

    Possibly because Ayla was not there to be seen at the time? Details would have had to be made up. And that's always dangerous. Lies can come back to haunt one. How to keep them straight unless you are always with script in hand. So as little that could be told about Ayla's supposed activities was the best course to follow.

    "I think is telling in its self... especially when Derek was one of the two Justin called before 911, and the fact he did not call Trista to see if she had her on some off chance...

    I wonder who was the first call, Derek or Phoebe, and at what times? now that might be almost as interesting as the 911 tapes themselves..."

    Evidently Trista was not a suspect in Justin's mind as having breezed through Waterville and scooped up Ayla on her way to Machiasport.

    Derek certainly plays an interesting role in the proceedings, doesn't he? He is a crucial witmess who places Ayla alive on the evening of the 15th and into the morning of the 16th. Then it's just Justin and Ayla hanging out and Christmas shopping".

    Heidi is telling Justin' story, defending it, and Angela is reporting it from long distance. neither gives much mention of Ayla and what she did before she vanished.

    it's those little details the cops grab on to which can get you into trouble down the line.

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    1. Angela Harry has been irrelevant for a long time now and TLLOM has been dark for a long time now. Her FB page is merely spam she posted encouraging people to shop at her store for Ayla. She last updated it Nov. 2013.

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    2. She should have always been irrevelant! Maybe all of them, including Angela, can relax, now. The case is going nowhere without Ayla's body..

      Angela didn't know beans about anything, anyway, except what she got from Justin through Heidi.

      That story of hers in which she supposedly talked to Justin everyday by phone was a hoot along with whom she said initially discovered Ayla missing that morning. That tall tale seemed to be contradicted by Justin himself in his 911 call.

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  31. Wasn't Elisha attending school? Phoebe was working so I'm assuming that Elisha had to arrange child care for her daughter. Was Ayla ever left with that caretaker? Who looked after Ayla when Elisha was in school, Phoebe at work and Justin was visiting his former roommates in Portland?

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    1. I read on one site (where posters discussed the case) that Justin's first baby momma looked after her. She was not the one whom we are discussing here, but the first one we heard about having a child with Justin. Supposedly she looked after Ayla in Portland. Her first name and last initial were posted at the time of the comment. That comment seems to dispute the claims of some that the woman who as mother of his first son wanted nothing to do with Justin.

      Another woman, either in Waterville or Portland was said to have looked after Ayla, also.. She was also named, but she denied looking after Ayla, but said she had seen her a few times when Justin came to visit.

      Sine the cops are saying nothing, and there was no really hard investigative reporting on this case, little is really known about who may have cared for Ayla while Justin was doing what he was doing in Waterville and Portland.

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    2. if Justin neded a baby sitter for Ayla while he was in Portland, Courtney Roberts lived right across the street from where JD lived with his friends. Did she watch Ayla?

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  32. How many people know where Ayla is or what happened to her? Will those people come forward one day? What will it take for one person to talk?
    Then what will happen to All Those who have said nothing when they should have said something? Will they be charged with obstruction? Or more serious charges?
    Why will no one come forward?
    Something will happen one day and the answers will come out and then they will regret their silence when they are serving time.

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    1. I don't think anybody will talk, after all this time. What would be anyone's incentive to say anything? Certainly no one connected to the family cared enough about Ayla to sacrifice a loved one they know to some kind of justice for a baby whom they did not know. Which one would give up any of the DiPietros for a child they're convinced suffered an accident of unintended neglect?

      Even if the unlikely event happens -- that Ayla's body is found -- what could it tell investigators, now? Only that she is dead. The DiPietro friends and relatives would asknowledge that the kidnapper undoubtedly killed her. Or, far more likely, that Trista, caused her death when she took her..

      Does anyone expect Courtney to talk?. She really does not seem the type to willingly tell the police anything, unless she got into trouble with the police herself and used her knowledge as a bargaining tool.

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    2. I was thought the Brianna Roberts' arrest and investigation leading up to it would lead to someone using a bargaining chip of info. It seemed too coincidental to Ayla's departure that CR's sis was involved in a drug ring.

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  33. http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/local/2014/09/21/couple-drives-in-trivia-pursuit-game-for-ayla/16018743/

    I applaud Bill & Valerie Sowles.
    Fantastic to have Ayla as one of the featured in Fireball Run.
    !000 fliers of Ayla, will go up in many different locations & states.
    That just tickles me pink.

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  34. Hello A1, I could not agree more. So helpful. How smart whoever came up with this. And how wonderful are Bill & Valerie as well as all the participants to do this. ms.p

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    1. Since there is no age progression photo of Ayla, I can see it's an altruistic effort, but how helpful really?

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    2. They are not looking for an alive Ayla.

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    3. Every time someone says Ayla's name and shows a picture of her, it is also a reminder that she still has not been found and she still deserves to get justice. I think it helps to have people far and wide be aware. The more people being aware, the more people who will keep asking questions about her. The more people asking questions about her means more people asking questions for her. ms.p

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    4. "They are not looking for an alive Ayla."

      Who are "they"? And do you mean now or never?

      Investigators
      Justin
      Justin's Pvt. Eye
      The Reynolds
      Trista
      River searchers
      Cadaver dog handlers
      Forensic guys
      The FBI
      Phoebe
      Elisha
      Lance
      Courtney
      The Tudelas
      Violette Avenue Neighbors
      TLLOM
      Nationally recognized Missing Children's Organizations
      Various independent searh volunteers?

      Who among these persons or groups looked for an alive Ayla after the first few days? After the police announced that there was evidence of "foul
      play" in the case? After the first month of the investigation?

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    5. Some of those you listed did not seem to look very hard for Ayla alive or dead.

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    6. People without an age progression poster. The run is to create awareness that Ayla is still missing and the case is not solved.

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    7. Except for LE and search volunteers, I don't think any of them actually "searched" for Ayla, dead or alive. Make a lot of noise? Sure. But how many of them strapped on their boots and actually went looking?

      If it was my child, I would search the entire state of Maine, an inch at a time. But that's just me I guess.

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    8. Well I think they just had no idea where to search other than the river. No one reported seeing anything so where do you look?

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    9. Everywhere. Each place she is not is one step closer to finding her. I would start at the DiPietro house and work outward from there. I'm not saying it would be easy, or even feasible. I just know I would do it. Somehow, someway.

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    10. I think the families have pretty much given up so I don't think anyone is looking very intently.

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    11. People just stumbled upon Holly BoBo. I wish they would find Ayla.
      Are those in the know that sure Ayla won't be found?

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  35. Just curious. I don't mean to start a war. But since Ayla's poster is going up all over in many states what do you believe?
    I know a couple of people said posting pictures of Ayla would help keep Ayla on everyone's mind. She is still missing. Define the circumstances of "missing" if you can:

    1.) Do you, reading/posting here, believe Ayla was taken by Trista and hidden and is still alive? No longer alive?
    2.) Do you believe Ayla was taken by the DiPietros and hidden somewhere from Trista and is still alive? No longer alive?
    3.) Do you believe she was taken from the house by an outsider, but a person in some way known to the parental or maternal families, and is still alive? No longer alive?
    4.) Do you believe she was taken from the house by a complete stranger and is still alive? No longer alive?
    5.) Do you believe Ayla got hurt, she subsequently passed away in the DiPietro house or car, and her body was taken by someone in the paternal family and hidden?
    6.) Do you believe that Ayla somehow wandered out of the house on her own but was subsequently "rescued" and hidden by either an outsider of the family or by a complete stranger? Still alive or not?
    7.) Do you believe that Ayla somehow wandered out of the house on her own, subsequently got hurt, passed away, and her body is located in a place not discovered yet?

    Any other possibilities come to mind?
    I don't think enough attention is given to the possibility that Ayla did wander off on her own, even if the police said it wasn't possible. Was she left alone in the house at some time, let's say in the p.m. while down for a nap? Did she awake and go outside looking for someone and then get hurt? I don't believe she disappeared in the middle of the night. Everyone is too calm on the 911 transcript to have just discovered a child missing but one hour before the call. Justin is too patient at being cut off on dead cell phones and the 911 system when he had just discovered his child "not here".

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    1. I don't think Ayla went out on her own. If she was hurt due to someone's absence, it seems like she ended up in dire condition in the basement. With all the blood spatter there, I don't think she could have made it upstairs on her own and out the door. Also, if she had, there would probably be a blood spatter trail of some sort. Whatever happened to her, I think the way she or her body left that house was through a DiPietro or DiPietro associate.

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    2. It is hard to ignore the blood, but it is evidently not enough to prove that Ayla did not survive perhaps being wounded.

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    3. I believe Ayla was hurt and passed away. They hid her. I think the laws protect Justin because she has not been found and no witness coming forward is why no arrests. I think LE knows she is dead.
      It may have been unintentional but no medical care for bleeding is murder. I don't believe it was a small cut. They say it is unlikely she is alive and I think it is because of the amount of blood.

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    4. I think the investigators cannot present to the AG who exactly "done it". Phoebe has an alibi. But Elisha and Courtney and Justin were all in the house, supposedly. None of them cracked even though their stories don't meet "the smell test".
      It didn't all go down that night. And the cops can't prove when it happened.

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    5. Theory: She fell down those stairs in the daytime while Justin was passed out. Eventually, he came out of whatever stupor he was in and it was too late to get help for Ayla. Too late to even give a reasonable story of her accident because she lay there too long and time of death could be determined. Just get rid of the body, forward the time of discovery of her "missing" from the day of the 16th to the morning of the 17th. Voila! The cops wouldn't question it when you have two witnesses to Ayla being alive the night of the 16th.

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    6. Anon 4:15, tempting theory but one aspect that makes me unsure is her dying in the house and being there for awhile. If that was the case, the cadaver dogs most likely would have hit on the basement and I think the case would have developed differently.

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    7. Anon 4.15 here! Good point. But maybe she didn't lie in the basement that long before Justin discovered her. Maybe he panicked not too long after the accident, about the whole situation, and and moved her to the shed, or to a car, or even some place else. We don't know if the cadaver dogs hit anywhere in the house or in the shed or in one of the cars.

      I don't know how long a body can lie before a dog can detect cadavarine. Uh, obviously I am not a scientist!
      I just think this was the result of an inexperienced father with a drinking problem saddled with a kid he didn't want and didn't know how to care for.
      The rest is a cover-up of the accident, probably headed by Phoebe and the comandeering of Elisha and Courtney to bear witness. Why? Because it was an acciden unintended, but caused by total neglect.

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  36. There should be an investigation into how DHHS handled this case. If this has been done why is it not public?
    Things like this are not prevented as often as they should be and I do not know how to fix the system.
    People who are not emotionally or physically able to care for a child should not.
    Children should not be left in the care of people who have no idea how to care for them.

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    1. I don't think DHHS has to reveal anything, do they? They are protected by privacy laws until they are called to court, aren't they? And then, I'm not sure what they have to reveal.

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  37. "It may have been unintentional but no medical care for bleeding is murder. I don't believe it was a small cut. They say it is unlikely she is alive and I think it is because of the amount of blood."

    What if Ayla was found dead and it was too late to get her help? But no one can prove that, so panic sets in and the cover story is implemented. Such a lot of trouble to protect reputations.

    What would have happened to anyone if Ayla accidentally died due to neglect?
    What happens to people who take a nap, or get on the phone, and their child gets into the pool unattended and subsequently drowns?

    In most cases, I think, they do not serve much time, if any.

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  38. It is hard to believe it was an accident falling down stairs. You could call 911 for that.
    It was something they tried to clean up but didn't get to finish and something that they had to make her disappear.
    And yes, I agree even if she was hurt accidentally,not taking her to the emergency room made it murder. If she just hurt and bleed and threw up.

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  39. Lee

    September 26, 2014 at 11:19 pm

    Penny, do you remember the ridicule, disdain and harshness directed at Trista and Jeff by some when TC4A was posted? Why would anyone step forward to affirm the information when it would have been met with the same onslaught? Those who will believe will believe, those who won’t, won’t. Scoffers will always have a reason they can come up with for any circumstance.
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    That's intellectually dishonest, Lee.

    No one had a problem with Trista and Jeff making ANY case. It was the CONTENTS that people questioned, and rightfully so, since that, too, didn't pass the "straight face test" in my opinion. To try and pass blame on the criminally silent because people who care about Ayla and the truth posted hard questions and stated their opinions on blogs is downright dirty, Lee.

    Am I misunderstanding you?

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    1. Retyped for clarification:

      To try and pass blame on people who care about Ayla and the truth because they posed hard questions and stated their opinions on blogs as somehow being responsible for the criminally silent is downright dirty.

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    2. OT: Morning, Foil! So refreshing to see you, A1, and others speaking out on matters of truth facts, and accountability...matters so important that they apply not only to Ayla, but beyond.

      Your efforts do not go unnoticed.

      Wishing you a great day!

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    3. Some people take it as your taking the side of probable child murders.
      The maternal side has made mistakes but the gist of what they have said is backed up by what LE has said.

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    4. Good morning, Kitty! : ) I always breath a sigh of relief when I see you or A1 commenting and questioning.

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    5. Nina, To say that no one had a problem with Jeff and Trista making any case is incorrect on your behalf. From the time that Jeff announced they would be posting their version of the slideshow until the time it was posted, it was a point of contention for some.

      Are you misunderstanding me? Yes. My comment had no mention of legitimate questions, but some of the biting remarks that were made.

      As you can see, I named no names nor even specified where the remarks were made. Why do you feel that it was directed toward you and your associates? I was not attempting to pass blame on people who care about Ayla and the truth.

      I personally tend to place credence in TC4A not because Jeff and Trista had it posted, but despite the fact it came from them. I considered motives, memories, emotions, and the legalities of posting false information. I attempted to factor in the human traits such as being overwhelmed by seeing pictures of the blood of your child and how it may seem like more than it actually was. I attempted to take everything I could think of to come to the conclusion I have. I do not insist that I be agreed with.

      The point I was trying to make is that two more people saying that there was a slideshow and that it has been represented correctly would more than likely have no effect on how anyone believes. That is my opinion.

      I have responded respectfully. Your remarks to me were not.

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    6. Lee, if I understand correctly, you are saying that you believe there are legitimate reasons why a person would remain silent, especially when it would have no effect on how anyone believes.

      I couldn't agree more.

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    7. Lee September 27, 2014 at 9:43 AM
      Nina, To say that no one had a problem with Jeff and Trista making any case is incorrect on your behalf. From the time that Jeff announced they would be posting their version of the slideshow until the time it was posted, it was a point of contention for some.

      Ah, now you have added a key point: the case they made included a heavily doctored presentation of evidence that was not intended for the general public to see, but meant to be for Trista; “what a mother should know.” They did not say: “What the public should know.” The problems I have read voiced online have been from the standpoint of that kind of leaked evidence being injurious to Ayla’s case. So again, I have not read anyone on this blog (which is one of many online forums, of course and I don’t read Facebook) state that they thought Trista and Jeff should not try to make a case for Ayla. It’s the content.

      Are you misunderstanding me? Yes. My comment had no mention of legitimate questions, but some of the biting remarks that were made.

      Who gets to decide what kinds of questions are legitimate? Are you the judge of that? How do you define legitimate?

      As you can see, I named no names nor even specified where the remarks were made. Why do you feel that it was directed toward you and your associates? I was not attempting to pass blame on people who care about Ayla and the truth.

      Lee, I never stated it was directed at me or “my associates.” You inferred that. I read it as directed at anyone who challenged TC4A; basically anyone not on the same page as FFA. Naturally that would include me but I didn't read it as you making a remark directly to me.

      I personally tend to place credence in TC4A not because Jeff and Trista had it posted, but despite the fact it came from them. I considered motives, memories, emotions, and the legalities of posting false information. I attempted to factor in the human traits such as being overwhelmed by seeing pictures of the blood of your child and how it may seem like more than it actually was. I attempted to take everything I could think of to come to the conclusion I have. I do not insist that I be agreed with.

      I didn’t read that you factored in that TC4A was passed around to different chosen bloggers and edits were made followed by speculations and creative interpretations by Emerald who created a diagram filled with speculative details.

      The point I was trying to make is that two more people saying that there was a slideshow and that it has been represented correctly would more than likely have no effect on how anyone believes. That is my opinion.

      Presenting something correctly has nothing to do with presenting facts. I know I would listen if any of those “in the know” came forward with information. I listened intently to Trista and Jeff. I would do the same with anyone else—and question anything. But really it doesn’t matter because I am just like you—someone concerned but not relevant to the case.

      I have responded respectfully. Your remarks to me were not.

      I do not feel that you and your associates have treated people with opposing views very respectfully, myself included, Lee. Again there is a reason why some will no longer post over at FFA. However I do believe in my heart that you care about Ayla and believe in what you are doing. I do apologize for my gruff wording in my opinion about your above statement.

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    8. Nina, questions are legitimate, any abuse and ridicule are not.

      "Their version of the slideshow" as opposed to the DiPietro version related vaguely by their attorney.

      I too had concerns of making TC4A public, but if it did harm LE's case and LE did not take the long time span from the announced release until it was released, then that would constitute a form of direlection of duty IMO.

      If you would like to replace "represented correctly" with "represented accurately", please do so. That in fact was my intended meaning.

      " I read it as directed at anyone who challenged TC4A; basically anyone not on the same page as FFA."

      Nina, those who comment at FFA are not of the same opinion or "page" if you will. We are all individuals with our own thoughts, ideas and questions. I have repeatedly supported others with a different view than my own, and encouraged them to not change their beliefs until they feel they should. How does that equate into me not treating people with opposing views disrespectfully?

      Simply ask Jeff to post his original TC4A if you feel that others lended creative writing to the subject, instead of the clarifying and giving reactions that is the normal editing one would expect.

      Thanks for the apology.



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    9. "Nina, those who comment at FFA are not of the same opinion or "page" if you will. We are all individuals with our own thoughts, ideas and questions. I have repeatedly supported others with a different view than my own, and encouraged them to not change their beliefs until they feel they should. How does that equate into me not treating people with opposing views disrespectfully?"

      When I and others were personally attacked by a select few on your blog for having different views it was permitted. But, it IS your blog and you have the right to moderate or not as you see fit. I agree that you encourage people to keep speaking for Ayla in general and have solicited guest posts from people with opposing views.

      "Simply ask Jeff to post his original TC4A if you feel that others lended creative writing to the subject, instead of the clarifying and giving reactions that is the normal editing one would expect."

      I and many others have asked him, here, to do that very thing. He never produced it. I wish he would.

      Jeff?

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    10. Assuming the purpose of any edits was to make sure TC4a was correct and stated in a way to get the meaning across, then you must realize that posting the original draft wouldn't do anything but add confusion and possibly inaccuracy to the discussion. If something was said in a way that did not communicate what was intended and it was corrected, relying on the original means increasing likelihood of error. If an actual error was corrected, going back to the original means going from a correct document to an incorrect one.

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    11. Anonymous 8:43 you sound like CG. In any case, facts need no wordsmithing, and the only people who know the truth were those present.

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    12. Nina do you remember some of the odd ways Jeff expressed things on his blog and how many people commented on how confusing it was and made no sense? The facts have to be put on paper and if the words used say something other than what the fact is (unintentionally), then no one understands the real fact. Not only that, if it gets corrected, people start screaming "liar."

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    13. I understand completely.

      No one involved spoke with Trista, Alex or Melissa. No one was presented with a list of what each person saw in their own words. Jeff wrote something confusing in HIS own words using his own interpretation of what was seen. Someone edited to make Jef's words less confusing, but the editor only communicated with Jeff.

      Do I have it correct?

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    14. Guess your party invitation "got lost in the mail."

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    15. I'm not sure I understand.

      anonymous said...." If something was said in a way that did not communicate what was intended and it was corrected, relying on the original means increasing likelihood of error."

      Who decided what was intended? The person or persons who edited?

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    16. "...facts need no wordsmithing."

      Amen, Foil!

      When a document as damning as TCFA is being circulated for edits, clarifications, fine-tuning, etc.., the "original" is being butchered. No different then a game of "Telephone."

      Jeff gave credit to many in creating TCFA...with the exception of Trista, Alex and Melissa.

      Emerald Viridis fascinates me. She made that nifty "unofficial crime scene diagram." She (or Jeff) claims she is a US Navy Life Support Systems and Explosives, White House/Pentagon Staff Washington, DC, US Army Combat Medical Specialist, Registered EMT, and holds a BS in Marine Science and Biology.

      I have no doubt Emerald is an EMT...

      But a simple Google search of "Emerald Viridis" only brings up a picture of a species of damselfly.

      Fancy that...

      There is a serious breach of credibility floating out there.

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    17. I don't know anything about Emerald's qualifications, but I think she has said Emerald isn't her real name.

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    18. EXCELLENT post, A1!

      A little girl is missing, perhaps deceased. But some have the hubris to dictate what was intended, and not intended, in the final draft that has become The Case for Ayla.

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    19. A lot of you would never survive in the business world. Most business documents are edited multiple times before release to make sure they're accurate, not for any insidious reasons.

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    20. And if you don't have a problem with that...

      Let me check off my qualifications...clairvoyant, brain surgeon, CIA operative, and cat-whisperer. But I won't give you my real name...just my outstanding credentials. I sure don't want you to vet me when I sign off of my diagram.

      Fool.

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    21. Business world? Sounds about right...Ayla has become a business for some...

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    22. Comparing the presentation of criminal evidence to a business proposal!? What's next-- comparing it to a manuscript? Screenplay?

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  40. I think the AG wanted to keep the facts of the case mum, and the investigators were muzzled as a result. That early leak probably got them chewed out good. In certain situations, though, I do think police would speak out. TC4A makes Justin look guilty. If it were made up (I don't mean a few good faith errors, I mean faked) I think the police would speak out against it to protect Justin and his family. If it was mostly or even a lot wrong (even if innocently so) and created a wrongful impression of guilt, I think police would speak out at least enough to say don't rely on it. They didn't do that.

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    1. They said they would neither confirm or deny. That seems pretty straight forward to me. They don't care what Trista or anyone else said they were not getting involved. They could care less if it were all false or all true. No comment is just that.

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    2. But they made a point of mentioning that they did share information with her. Why do that if they didn't care at all? It lent some credibility to what she said. Whether she repeated what she heard correctly or not, there was a meeting confirmed.

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    3. There was also one with the other side.

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    4. I know. And we know DNA evidence was discussed at the paternal family meeting.

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    5. I am not trying to say LE doesn't suspect Justin of foul play. I am saying LE is not going to say Trista's statements to the blogs are true or false. Yes on the DNA their attorney addressed that even if it was poorly. It would also lead me to believe the paternal side was shown the same evidence, only my opinion. LE will not confirm if they were or not.

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    6. I think Trista got things generally correct , but perhaps misremembered details and specifics. If Trista was making up the general truth of the scene, I believe The MSP would have said more than " We can't criticize what Trista is doing; no one should be in her place." The issued another benign statement too which can be researched. LE was careful to point out Justin's untrue statement about his LD test.

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    7. Investigators met with Trista Reynolds, the mother of Ayla Reynolds, on Thursday for a review of the investigation into the toddler’s disappearance, said Department of Public Safety spokesman Steve McCausland.

      “I’m not getting into specifics, but we shared the status of the case with Trista, as we had with the relatives from Waterville,” he said Friday.
      http://www.centralmaine.com/2013/01/04/investigators-meet-with-trista-reynolds_2013-01-04/

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    8. AnonymousSeptember 27, 2014 at 1:53 PM

      The thing is if the evidence was as stated by Trista then there should have been arrests and prosecution.

      There was no arrest or prosecution so something is very wrong.
      Could be the investigation was mishandled, and evidence gathered couldn't be used IDK..

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    9. Could be the investigation was mishandled, and evidence gathered couldn't be used IDK..

      That could be the case, Dana.

      "Embarrass the police."

      "Taint a potential jury pool."

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    10. I believe the investigators had a pretty solid case proving Ayla came to harm in that house ("foul play", no abduction") and the AG, who was looking to become a judge, didn't want to get mired down in a trial without a body. I'm betting the GJ came forth with an indictment, but the AG refused to execute it.

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    11. Anon 3:13
      "Embarrass the police."
      No accidents happen all the time.
      "Taint a potential jury pool."
      No more than trying to say a person is guilty of murder with out the facts to back it up. jmo

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    12. I got the impression there was some friction between the AG and the investigators. Why did that early leak happen? My guess is because investigators were frustrated with the official stance. The early gj hints that investigators were raring to go, felt they had the case nailed shut. The AG had to bring the case and may have done it when he did in part to appease the investigators, knowing he did not have to move forward to trial anytime soon. I think they had some big wrenches thrown their way. One was not finding the body, which I think they were counting on happening quickly. They seemed very sure of the river location. Another was Dean's death before they could nail down his testimony. That could have been critical evidence if he would have said what we have been told he knew.

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    13. Anonymous 8:49 pm.

      That could have been critical evidence if he would have said what we have been told he knew.

      ...May I ask what you were told that he knew?


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    14. A1 my guess would be they're referring to Ashley's comment on U4A.

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    15. If that is what is being referred to, ...it didn't sound like critical evidence to me.

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  41. Most of what your saying comes down to feelings and opinions.
    The ones that police said are lying seem to get a pass from you guys.
    It would be great if they found Ayla alive but the odds are very much against that.

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    1. The odds are, Justin killed her and hid her body.
      That is what the few facts really lead you too.

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    2. "Killed" is a rather misleading word. I don't think Ayla's death was premeditated. I think it was an accident due to neglect or disciplining gone too far. But whatever, it had to be reported as a missing child in order to cover up something. JMOO

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    3. You need to remember the police statement is also an opinion, or feeling. If they had proof things would be different the case would be solved. Are you a pessimist or an optimist.

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  42. Agree with Anonymous 5:41. There is nothing wrong with using your intelligence to draw a logical conclusion, even when you wish for the opposite result to be true.

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    1. Then why have anything go to trial? Why have a jury? Everyone can simply use their own logic and draw their own conclusions based upon what they read on the internet...because it must be true.

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    2. And your logic would just let him go to do it again because of the same.

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    3. Call 911 and tell LE you know what Justin did. I would be thrilled if you could provide the evidence they are seeking to make an arrest!

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    4. Come on, now. We aren't talking about a lynching here! This is the same old argument all the time.. We're prosecuting, judging, and sentencing Justin or his family! We don't believe in justice in a court of law.
      Not so. We are simply following LE in their statements based on what the FBI specialists found: "No abduction took place; Ayla didn't wander off on her own".
      So what is left?

      I believe the MSP has solid proof that the "The three in the house are not telling the truth." What that proof is, I have no idea. The stories don't add up? Perhaps.

      Not telling the truth about a missing child sends up many alarms, but we who suspect that the DiPietros are involved in some kind of a cover-up are not acting in any way like a lynch party. We would like to see a charge, an arrest, and a jury who hears the evidence and returns a verdict.

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  43. AnonymousSeptember 28, 2014 at 5:47 PM AnonymousSeptember 28, 2014 at 5:41 PM Realist?
    Do you believe there was blood all over the basement, blood spatter on the wall, a sheet in a tote covered with Aylas blood from a clean up, blood on Justins shoes, a doll with blood smeared on it, blood on the floor by his bed, blood stain the size of a grown mans fist on his bed, blood on the couch in the living room up stairs, and on her car seat. Yet no arrest, no person of interest, no one ruled out either side of the family. You think that is realistic?

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    1. The prosecutor wants a body, Dana! Not prosecuting because there's no body occurrs more often than prosecuting without one.

      Even though in many cases the weight of the evidence says the victim is dead, and there is a suspect, many prosecutors fear facing a jury without a body. Nothing comes of the cse.

      In the Susan Powell case, which was a horrible tragedy, her husband wasn't prosecuted for her murder although her blood was found in their house and circumstantial evidence said he had killed her..

      One of her sons' stories related that his sons rode with daddy when he took mommy, who was hurt and "riding in the trunk", to old mines in the Utah desert.

      The police couldn't find Susan's body. So no arrest and.no trial. "Daddy" eventually killed himself and the two boys when he was allowed unsupervised visits with his sons.

      No body, no crime, Dana. it works most of the time!

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    2. No body, no crime works way too many times.
      And yes, Dana, i think most of what we have been told is the truth.
      In the beginning there were leaks about blood splatter and blood that had been cleaned up. I think that is why they believe Ayla is most likely dead.

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    3. Think what you will there isn't anything wrong with that. Just allow me the same courtesy.

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