The Proof Is In The Screen Capture
How many more ways can Alya be disrespected? I mean really, Derek complaining about the condition of the Dipietro home after LE left.I certainly dont want my tax payer dollars wasted by LE taking the time to clean up a crime scene..that could of taken days to clean up.Sorry but when the life a of child is at stake, the last thing people should be complaining about is how messy a house was when they were allowed back in.Oh and as far as the beer bottles..Im sure the LE dusted for fingerprints on each and everyone of them. So no worries there on who drank them.
It makes me wonder what was on the "missing" furniture that prompted the forensics techs to remove it? Not only that, Derek never says there were no beer bottles or dirty clothes, only that the "house" was not littered with them? What about the basement? The diagram has no beer bottles in the house, nor dirty clothes there either, only the basement...and Derek never says "basement", only house...I have kids, one a toddler, but I do not have dried food or strangulation and choking hazards on my living room shelves, at their height as well, nor paper shredders next to their toys, nor plastic bags in their rooms, or dirt, old drink spills, and god knows what else on my floors...Many of the pics they released of the house, with the kids in the pics, show these hazards and the dirty condition of the house...what is meant by one step away from a hoarder's house is the stuff stacked in plastic trash bags, boxes,and shopping bags, like in the kids closet/behind the chair, diaper boxes and other things, and the stains and old food on surfaces, CD's all over the back of the couch, stuff and electrical cords all mixed together between chairs( a fire hazard and a strangulation and electrocution hazard as well)...hoarders often start out with lowered cleaning/hygiene or living/organizational standards, then progressively evolve into the slobs they are...They seemed to be on the way, and did not child proof the house well, or clean it thoroughly...it does not take much to rent a steam cleaner($20-30 at the store) and clean your couches and carpets, and wipe your shelves, and mop and dust...the lack of child proofing should say it all about the mentality there concerning children and their safety and well being...
Anon said; I certainly dont want my tax payer dollars wasted by LE taking the time to clean up a crime scene..that could of taken days to clean up.Sorry but when the life a of child is at stake, the last thing people should be complaining about is how messy a house was when they were allowed back in.Sorry but when the life of a child is at stake, the last thing you should worry about is how your tax dollars are being spent.
Emerald let me take this opportunity to commend you on your housekeeping, and give you a pat on the back before you break your neat little arm.
So...not only did the DiPietros murder Ayla, but they now don't pass Emerald's white-glove test. Emerald...this is about Ayla, not Phoebe's housekeeping habits. Did I miss LE declaring 29 Violette as uninhabitable? Has it been condemned and scheduled for demolition? Trista and her two toddlers were living at the seedy Maine Motel while Trista was high and drunk. I think that might pose a safety hazard.
I don't think the state of the house is directly relevant to what happened to Ayla but it could be an indication of problems in the household. Sure some people are just messy, but sometimes when a house gets out of control it's an indication that other aspects of the occupants lives are overstressed, possibly by benign causes, possibly by addiction, abuse, and other similar factors. The inquiry may be relevant. The name-calling is unnecessary.
Most of the pictures I've seen from the DiPitero home seem to center all around the same time period. Did anyone stop to wonder if remodeling was going on? I noticed the patches in drywall in some of the backgrounds. If you've ever done remodeling, especially dry wall work, you know it creates a lot of dust and dirt. We've had to do a lot of remodeling to our older home. There has been times when my home was covered in dust for weeks while my husband was working on certain projects. I swept up the major things, but saw so need to do dusting and mopping until he was finished with the project.
Yeah them dang test. The DiPietro's fail the straight face test, the smell test, and the white glove test. :)
Dana in reply to: Sorry but when the life of a child is at stake, the last thing you should worry about is how your tax dollars are being spent.I agree.. my tax dollars should be spent on finding Ayla, and giving her the justice she so deserves..so i say again I wouldnt want my tax dollars being wasted with the LE taking the time out of their investigation to clean up a crime scene.
Unless when they picked something up they found a clue they missed. I am sure they went through all of it more than once. They will waste tax dollars as they see fit it doesn't matter to them what we want.
Phoebe's home was dirty and unsafe for toddlers. It's a fact shown in pictures provided from the family. Why is that fact being pointed out offensive to some people?
You would think they'd be happy that LE put forth such great effort to figure out what happened to Ayla. Oh wait...
Maybe they were happy for the effort. Oh but wait you didn't ask them did you?
This thread is weird. I cannot name a single case where the police clean the crime scene. Also confused about how Derek knows there were no beer bottles if he wasn't there that night? LE would have likely taken them for dna testing. Finally, how did this become a pig pile on Emerald? Too many diversions being thrown.
He says the house wasn't littered with beer bottles. What about Justin's room? Then he tries to make it sound like they are hero's for willingly turning over the house to LE. What would their other option be? Any other option shouldn't have even crossed their mind, then or now. The fact that the thought is even there, says something about them and the situation.
AnonymousOctober 5, 2013 at 7:14 AM I guess they were not talking about Justin's room at the time, I suppose you could call Derek and ask him. I am sure he would tell you.
Justin's room was littered with beer bottles. What would I have to ask him, besides why he felt the need to lie?
So back to the old tricks of taking segments of private conversations on private Facebook pages and not even having the decency to block out the names of those not involved in the case. Putting out innocent people's first and last names. This does nothing to help find Ayla.
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Nothing is private, if it's on the internet. People shouldn't get an illusion of privacy. Looking At The Facts, it see this post as one that was done out of necessity. Some people just don't believe anything unless they see themselves. I don't really care what Derek has to say, unless he's talking to the police.
I agree that the names should have been blocked out.
It seems people are attacking bot Tori and Katie on the last 3 post and the are trying to answer questions brought up. If someone post on facebook and do not want it public they can fix it to be private where only certain people can see it. That is why sometimes if you are on someone's timeline and you see someone answer a question but can not see who ask that is because they are only letting who ever is on their friends list see it. Beside that it is public so anyone can see it and publish it. Is it right? No but that is why facebook has changed so much so you can control your timeline. If the people who names appear on the post are friends with Tori or whoever gave her this have a problem they can unfriend them so this does not happen. That is why some do not use facebook and if they do it is a open book of their choice. It can even cost you a job just ask my daughter. Both Tori and Katie have tried to make new post during all the silence that lead up to Trista going public. If you are not happy with what they write add your 2 cents in and see if you get attacked. I did but I did not care because I believed in what I wrote and still do. There are other blogs people can join and there will be things on them that you do not like and people will attack you. We came here to keep Justice for Ayla and I am not leaving until she gets it. Agreed or disagreed may be the key to finding her. Some will leave and some will join so there is no end until she is found.Nene_please
I would like these people that disagree with any of the last 3 post to write a new post and send it to Tori. Do the research on it and see what you come up with and then submit it to Tori and Katie. I bet they would love for someone to write so they can attack them but they sit back and add to the ones they did not write because they both are in this for Ayla to be found and every key turned is one step closer to finding her. Every little lie will soon be reveled as we get closer to the truth. The police know, they watch every blog to see if they can catch the one thing that will slip in time. The MSP have already said on their that the 3 in the house have lied "Investigators discovered Ayla's blood in the basement of her home, and the three adults who were in the home at the time are withholding information'. That is a screen shot of their excite words on Ayla missing page of their website. They will find a slip of words and that who ever is behind Ayla missing will not talk. Derek knew better and maybe more wll follow as they think they are above the law. Come someone find something to arrest these people hidden Ayla from the world. JUSTICE FOR AYLA. iT WILL HAPPEN.Nene_please
And yes I can read and write but I post by lamp because my laptop is in my bedroom and can not see my keys good unless my big light is on. Thank you very much>Nene_please
Nene, it wasn't a post on someone's timeline or on a public like page. It was a private group.
Michelle: Do you mean private like the cell phone calls the Government taps into? There is no such thing as private.
It is still facebook and close does not mean that someone in the group will not do that either. I have a program called Print Screen that I got from my old job that was a software company to use to print off what steps we where doing at a customer site. I still use it for person use but do not use it on anybody on facebook. I copy and paste mostly if I need something. I have had to block certain people due to family things and I know Tori has been attacked and just said that again on one of the recent post because she had posted a picture of her daughter and people were scared that it would be used against her. Tori knows how it feels but someone said they would not believe her so she went one step more. To agree or disagree does not matter. She wanted this to be use to make aware of what levels people are going to as far as covering up for Justin. What Trista did made a lot of people step back all together. I do not agree with it either but it proves to me that people are going to start a defense maybe now or after this go back to silence again. Each post opens up more worms if it is Justin or Trista or anybody connected to this blog or other ones at that. Some can not get pass the fact that everthing is legal now. In Texas about a month ago a group was aiming to have people walk into Walmart supercenters with rifles on their slings and on their arms unloaded. They were doing it to prove a point about Texas laws. It is legal in the state of Texas but we do not run around doing it. So nothing is legal or private in our world. Google it.Nene_please
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I know the difference. I have seen on Justice for Ayla facebook where someone has blocked anther person because they do not agree and it looks like they are talking to themselves and explain to others. I even block someone on there and that is when I realized that we all were there for Ayla and Ayla only. We all needed to be open about our beliefs but some would fight to the end and say ugly things about you which where off topic. On here I can choose to read or not and nobody can post something somewhere else about me and follow me. That is why I do not use a sign on because it is more private and can post on what I am really here for in the end. I read up on every thing facebook post on changes so I can set my up to keeo certain people off but not all. My is because of a family thing and to keep my granddaughter safe. I do not use the name I go by on anything on my computer but use my second name. I have an address book just for each of my signs because I use a different one for each site, so hackers beware. I am not scared but concerned. You learn a lot when you have worked for a software company for 29 years.Nene_please
Gotcha. You are one longwinded person. I would like to respectfully suggest you separate your thoughts into paragraphs? I honestly rarely read your posts beyond the first 2 sentences.
Strikes me as funny anything about the Di Pietros, Roberts, Trudela's, Giffords's,or Katie is considered non private. Yet people that write on facebook about what time they are going to take a shower, or when they are leaving their home to go shopping, or their sister slept with their husband should be blacked out to protect their privacy. If they wanted it private they wouldn't be putting their name on facebook and sending invitations to you to be their friend on facebook.
Yes we do not have that "old time gossip". Now we can click a few buttons and they are gone. Wish I had that growing.Nene_please
Well there are 3 kinds of people on blogs.1. The ones that read.2.The ones that read and write.3. The ones that attack which was called "Trolls" I am number 2 and it seems ever since Trista"s release we have had a lot of number 3' and they may be people that support one family or the other and do not like what is wrote about from either the post or from what one person has written. We do have people that disagree but at the end they are here for Ayla only and not to make friends but do take a minute to thank others even though they can not see eye to eye with them. I think in the end when Ayla gets her justice, some will carry on that friendship outside of here because each one has found someone caring no matter who's side you are on. I seen it on another blog and those people planned a trip to celebrate the victory. God gave you one life so please make if worth his while to do something with it.Nene_please
I think Tori did not need to do this. It's unethical and she knows it. I'm disappointed that she's regressed right back to where she started. People need to stop using Ayla's name to justify their actions. There's no honor in it. Not for Tori and not for Ayla.
There ya go thinking again.
For starters, it is the same people bashing me for posting proof that were saying yesterday that if I don't have proof, it wasn't said and that it was just more bs and lies I was trying to pin on Derek and trying to see what stuck. You can't have it both ways. I attempted to post only the gist of what was said and not post the screenshot but you kept demanding it was a lie then when I post the screenshot I am wrong for posting it.Secondly, the only comments posted that are in question are Derek's. No one else said anything that is private or revealing that should be upset their words and their name is up there associated with it except for maybe Karmen and if anyone knows Karmen, they know she would come to me directly if she didn't want it up there and also know Karmen says exactly what she feels and doesn't care who she says it to so I doubt Karmen has the issue.As far as me putting children in danger, I call BS. Nothing I have posted puts a child in danger. If you are referring to someone's profile picture anyone can see that on Facebook not just your friends. I will address the other comments when I get home. Thanks NeNe-Please.
Who asked for proof and is now bashing you for providing the proof? Just curious.
People on the new blog and comments made here that if I don't post links etc it didn't happen. I don't know exactly who said I didn't pay attention to all of the names.
What new blog ?
Tori I and some others were saying that unless we see the source first-hand it's hearsay. I didn't bash you. I asked you if you wanted me to delete those who were, and I have deleted others you didn't see.Nina aka Foil
Tori, now that the names of people who did not ask to be copied are here, now maybe it would be nice to give the name of the source ? I'm not directing it against you, but it should go both ways.
Nina, I didn't take any offense to people wanting to see the source firsthand and I am not upset at all and I wasn't referring to anyone there bashing me, well except Grace, and I do appreciate the willingness to remove comments. The bashing was done here because I did post the screenshot I am ignorant and whatever else. I can't win no matter what I do.
I still think that the name of the person who gave you the screenshot should be shown as the names of the people in the conversation have already been shown.
Tori, why don't you give us the name of the person who gave you the screenshot ?
I don't know who gave it to me. It was sent from a dummy email address and I didn't ask their name because they provided proof the comments were said. As soon as I get home which will be soon I will remove the names I can do it now but it will delete all the comments as I will have to do a new post.
Well, the names are already there to see now
So, you don't know who sent it to you, yet you vouched you knew it was true? Ms. Photoshop Queen herself? Get real.
Tori said:I am still waiting to hear what lies I have told and need to come clean about. I have never revealed a source and I am not going to start now and risk losing a good source. You can either believe it was said or not. I will say it did not come from Trista, Jeff, or anyone who even knows them. I was shown proof of the comments made I did not just take someone's word for itHow would you know that it didn't come from Trista, Jeff or anyone who even knows them if it came to you anonymously?Ive said it before and I say it again: LIAR
Well since I came off of a private Facebook group and the person who sent it or at least who took the screenshot has to be a member of that group to see it, I am pretty sure it was not Jeff or Trista or anyone close to them unless they were permitted access to a private Facebook group that goes against what their beliefs are about what happened to Ayla.Nice try twisting my words anon to try to prove that I am lying.
So, Jeff or Trista or someone who even knows them couldn't have gotten the screenshot from someone else and emailed it anonymously to you?
Anon you are trying to hard. If Trista or Jeff had this info and wanted it out there, they could post it on their own blog or ask Tori to post it. Why in gods name would it be send anonymously?
That's my point CG. And why would Tori first pretend this is some sort of coveted, trusted "source" she can't afford to out, when it was just some anonymous person sending her stuff thru a remailer? I say prove it, Tori. Show us the email with the anonymous remailer email address. Until then, nothing you have said or posted can be trusted.
At this point who cares? Maybe Tori didn't word her post in the best way possible but she has now told everyone where the info came from and posted the info itself. Why not move on to discuss the content or something more productive? The point is the content, not who decided to share it with Tori,
Its the polices job to conduct a thorough investigation of the crime scene and to collect evidence. It is not their job to clean up after the process of said collection of evidence. Were they supposed to vacuum the house and pick up Justin's empties or were they supposed to be searching for a missing baby?From the pictures I've seen of ayla with the background of the place where ayla was last seen alive, it looks Luke someone hasn't been able to control their temper very well at all (patch jobs in the sheetrock walls).
The patch jobs in the wall could be anything. I recently made a hole in the wall with a stepladder, which needed then to be patched.
Derek wasn't saying they or he expected the house to be cleaned...just things that were turned upside down to not be left that way. FFS, how can that be construed into him expecting it to be spotless when they returned? I would be pissed too. I would understand that they need to be thorough, but destroying it is uncalled for. If you empty a drawer, put the crap back in it and put the drawer back in the dresser, for instance. Holes in the wall can be from moving furniture with inept people. It can be from wrestling boys. It can be from a teen or young adult being angry and punching the wall. Are you tossing stones from your glass house? Come on now.
Yes the holes could have been made any number of ways. That is correct. I base my observations on first hand experience though.
I would think to just block the names on the screen shot and not the whole post. The damage is already done but some people can use it for reference later. Go on with why we are here because Ayla must not be pushed aside because of errors made.Nene_please
Its not Dereks first time speaking his mind on facebook..private or not..he has to know his words will get out eventually. So maybe next time he will think before he types.
Tori how could you use the color red to blot peoples names out? My goodness don't you have any respect?
I honestly don't understand the big hoopla over what Derek said.
Sorry Tori for the shi* show going on here. I think something on this blog got too close to a sore spot for certain people. You can tell by the retaliation. Let the trolls be trolls. If no one pays attention to them - they have no power.Just keep on fighting for what is right & don't second guess anything.
I second what Chicken Little said.
Whoever you are,,you are disgusting!
Some of the folks on this blog are fucked up. I like the innocent until proven guilty approach most of the articles try to achieve but the comments made minimizing what happened to ayla or making fun of the entire situation is sick. Criticizing the authorities for doing their job is also ungrateful. What happened to ayla is a tragedy that has destroyed how many lives? Who are you people that you have any rights to make light of this horror story?
I agree with most of what you say but would ask you refrain from using the vulgar descriptive language. I think you have good positive things to add without them and would hate to see them deleted because of it.
They could have left out the ketchup on Ayla comment. Blood on Ayla need not be joked about by anyone.
Their words speak volumes as to who they are and the content of their character. Leave it at that. The path that leads to justice for Ayla is difficult to navigate, but I believe that Ayla will get justice.
My thoughts are to delete this post all together. It has been the worse one I have seen as far as what people have added to it. It started off with people upset but now the trolls have taken over. Never seen so many trolls on one post on this blog. Very upsetting to see that they disrespect Ayla and having too much fun at her expense. The people that are regulars take this seriously and hate for this to start looking like the pink blog. We are way better than any of them.Nene_please
TORI: I think you should leave the post up out of respect for AYLA, because ultimately I believe all voices, whether truthful, logical, respectful, hateful, deceitful or disgusting will help to open the eyes of Justice for Ayla. Whatever is spoken or written, here or wherever, will create the path for Justice. No one said the path for Ayla's justice would be easy or without consequences.
Im going to clear this up for some My name is Karmen just in case it dont tell you I'm not sure how this works, so bear with me I am not mad at you Tori for using my name I could care less about that yes I was upset that you didn't let me know I felt a little hurt to be honest but I get over things quick sometimes lol anyways I didn't say anything there that I wouldn't say I feel they shouldn't have made such a mess only because there is still another baby that lives there and it has nothing to do with my tax dollars I could care less about money I care about kids and I dont just care About one I care about all that have to deal with all this I just want to do what I can as many do to help Find Ayla everyone has a different outlook but at the end of the day I don't feel bad about how I treat people ,oh at times I might say something not nice but I will take it down not that it makes it ok anyways after this book I'm doing what I do for Ayla thats just me ~ Karmen with a K :)
Karmen, I apologize. I should have asked first. I respect you and all you have done for Ayla and I know you are a spitfire and if you said the words, you would say them to anyone because that is how you are and I respect that too and I have always considered us friends which is another reason I should have sent you a message first. I apologize.
Well I Thank You Tori for that :) That means a lot to me. I have respect for ones who know when they've made a mistake and own it I really do. I just want this to be about Ayla and how we can find her its hard to do with all the bickering back and forth its sad to say the least <3 AYLA <3