Wednesday, October 2, 2013

Plausible Deniability or Covering for Justin?


Plausible Deniability or Covering for Justin?

                                            

Some good discussion has been taking place in the comments lately so I wanted to elaborate on it. I did a post covering some of this some time back (http://justiceforayla.blogspot.com/2012/03/phoebe-matriarch-of-dipietro-family.html) but not all of you have read it and more information has been learned since then. 

To start off I am only discussing possible reasons and scenarios that could have taken place and am in no way saying that my insight or thoughts are what happened or that anyone discussed in this post are guilty or innocent.

In a comment yesterday I said I could understand if Phoebe was aware of what really happened to Ayla and that I could also understand covering for Justin even if he was guilty. I based that off what lengths I would go to protect my child and what I would say or do to keep them out of trouble or harms way. My children are relatively young and at this point I can't think of anything they could do that I wouldn't protect them. I would hope my children would make the right choices if they ever faced any kind of serious trouble and would not put me in that situation to begin with. If my children were older and were adults and there was no excuse that they did not know the difference between right and wrong, I still don't think I could be the one to make the phone call to turn them in. I would however urge them to do the right thing and would support and still love them every step of the way and most likely pay for their attorney. My love for my children is unconditional and that includes if they ever did something horrific and harmed another person even a child. 

I would like to think I grew up in a family where my parents held us accountable for the decisions we made and the actions we took. There was structure and rules and discipline but I never doubted my parents loved me even when they had to at times show me tough love. One thing my parents instilled in my brother and I was respect. Respect of others and of their property and respect for ourselves. Of course, we were hellions at times and I can remember my mother telling me she couldn't wait for me to have children of my own so they could do to me like I did to her. I always laughed at her and retorted that my children wouldn't do that to me because I was going to be a better parent than she was and allow my child to do whatever it was that I was trying to get away with at the time. Once I had children of my own, I would NEVER forget the curse my mother bestowed upon me. It had to be a curse and my mother must be a witch of some kind because my children have done tenfold what I ever did to my mother. 

For the longest time I thought I was a failure as a parent, especially to my older son because he has given me the most trouble but after talking to other parents, teachers, counselors, therapists, etc... It isn't just my child that has the lack of respect and in observing interactions between other children and their parents it is easy to see that kids today are not as respectful as the generations before them. They feel like they are owed something and that parents are there only to wait on them hand and foot and fulfill their wants and needs without them having to give anything in return. They have no fear of punishment or of authority and no respect for authority, parents, or property. This has been getting worse as the generations go on. I have heard it blamed on many things but mostly video games, television and media, single parents who work and aren't there to supervise their children, schools being understaffed and teachers no longer caring about what they teach their students and the list goes on. I am sure many factors come into play and every situation is different. Not all teens and children act this way but a lot do. How does this factor into Ayla's case? 

From the beginning my theory and thoughts on what happened to Ayla hasn't ever really changed despite what others may say. The only thing that did change was me being careful not to publicly accuse or attack people I believe are guilty and also not to attack others just because they are associated with people who I may feel are guilty. I still think that whatever happened to Ayla was an accident and that accident was covered up. I know many think it wasn't an accident and that something more sinister came into play because if it truly was an accident why not just call police to report it? Most people trust that if they tell the truth and are honest, good things will happen. Most people also believe that the police are there to help and that police officers aren't bad people. Not all think that way though. 

                                            

From early reports and comments from people who claim to know Phoebe and the family personally they say that Phoebe who has reportedly always been a single mother was also an absent mother. Some claim she partied a lot and frequented bars and that the three kids were left to fend for themselves most of the time. Phoebe's sister Selena said on another blog that Phoebe worked her butt off and put herself through school while raising three kids on her own despite which claim is true it stands to reason that the kids probably were home alone a lot and didn't get much supervision. Lance is the oldest and probably was left in charge of Justin and Elisha a lot of the time. I know from my own experience that not being able to spend a lot of time with your children can lead to you as a parent feeling guilty and then overcompensating for that lack of interaction with something else. For me, I spoiled my son with gifts to make up for the time I couldn't spend with him. If Phoebe was a single parent without a lot of money and three kids to raise she likely felt guilty about not being there as much as she wanted to be or needed to be and possibly about not having enough money for vacations or expensive clothes and shoes kids want so overcompensated in ways she was able to. Since two of her three adult children were living at home at the time of Ayla's disappearance and living their with children of their own it leads me to believe that they had a relatively close relationship as a family. Based on reports from people who had children that went to school with Justin and Lance, they say Justin and Lance were bullies and often got into trouble and Phoebe always came to their defense and blamed others for their actions. Maybe that was how Phoebe made up for not being there as much as she needed to be?Maybe their acting out was a way to get her attention when she was otherwise busy? 

It goes to reason that if someone is always bailing you out of the trouble you are in you are never going to learn how to take responsibility for your actions. Pretty soon consequences that others face for their actions don't seem to apply to you and therefore you develop a sense of self importance. That you for some reason are better or more special than the others doing the same thing because you don't get in trouble for it. The police and any other form of authority albeit teachers, principals, other parents are "the bad guy". They are lying and trying to frame you. So and so set you up. There always has to be a fall guy for your bad choices because you certainly aren't to blame. That thinking keeps getting reinforced every time you are let off the hook for something you did until it becomes second nature. 

If an accident happened and Ayla was fatally injured I don't believe anyone in that house except for maybe Courtney would even think to call police. I think the first instinct would have been self preservation and to cover up the tracks of what happened. If Phoebe knew what happened she likely went into her usual mode of defending her children which also had become second nature to her or she wasn't there, didn't know what happened and chose to have plausible deniability so she could protect her child but honestly not know exactly what happened even if she suspected what really happened. I tend to think that the rush clean up job and the evidence that was left behind as well as not taking more time to stage a plausible break in/abduction scenario was because Courtney or Aiden were waking up and really didn't know what had transpired in the night and as soon as she noticed Ayla missing police needed to be called immediately and the show had to start whether they were ready or not. If Courtney still honestly believes Ayla was abducted she too either has decided to go the plausible deniability route or they are really good, seasoned actors. 

I think that if Phoebe does know what happened she decided that the bond she had with Justin was more solid than any bond formed with Ayla and therefore Ayla was not worth protecting even in death over Justin. Phoebe barely knew Ayla as she had only lived with her a little over a month. Was that enough time to form a bond? Did she even try to love her? Most people would instantly love a child especially one that shared their blood but did Phoebe see her as a nuisance and the reason her adult son had to move back home when she was already housing her adult daughter and granddaughter?

                                         

One thing I am sure of is that if it were Gabby that went missing we wouldn't be here two years later waiting for answers. This case would have been solved and someone would have confessed. I think Phoebe did have a bond with Gabby, she had to have formed a bond with her since she had lived with her since birth and she had spent more time with her. I think the problem in this case is that no one had formed a bond with Ayla and for a young father without a stable job or stable home of their own Ayla was a burden. I think Justin loved Ayla and I think he tried to do the right thing but I think it was more than he bargained for. I do not think what happened to Ayla was intentional. I think she likely fell down the stairs or ingested something and by the time anyone really paid attention to what was going on it was too late. I feel like when it came down to it, each person in the house and involved decided that their future and freedom and their inability to take the consequences for their actions outweighed doing the right thing for Ayla and for anyone else in Ayla's family to get closure or answers. Had Phoebe formed a strong bond with Ayla I think things would have turned out differently but sadly that didn't happen and it is too late now.


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  1. Another thing that I was recently reminded of is that Phoebe and Elisha have an attorney but Justin does not. Why didn't Phoebe hire a family attorney to represent all of them? My thinking is that Phoebe puts Gabby and Elisha first and the lawyer was hired to protect Elisha if charges are ever filed. Likely Justin is not being represented by the same attorney because it would be a conflict of interest. Elisha's lawyer cannot effectively defend all three or even the two of them because in order to make sure Elisha isn't charge, he will have to argue that Justin did it without Elisha knowing. Elisha likely couldn't afford to hire her own attorney so I believe Phoebe hired him to protect Elisha and in turn is protecting Gabby. Justin is secondary and Ayla is last.

    Justin most likely doesn't have an attorney because he can't afford the retainer for a private one and the courts will not supply a public defender until you have been charged and arraigned and it is deemed you are facing possible jail time.

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  2. I agree with a lot you've said here. I don't exactly think it was an accident. I think it was rage. Maybe he did love her, who knows. But I don't think he was mentally equipped or prepared to take care of a toddler. I think he had many things going on in his mind, and a toddler on top, set him off.

    One thing that doesn't make sense though, it seems like there was blood all around. Mostly in the basement, but some other places too. How could Courtney and Aiden have slept through whatever caused that kind of blood and vomit? I don't think it possible. This leads me to believe something happened before Courtney even got there. Unless she was directly involved, but my God, I can't imagine her allowing her son to witness something like that.

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  3. Nice thought-provoking post.

    I agree with some of your thoughts.

    One area that I don't agree with though, is the time it takes to form a bond with one's grandchild. I don't know Phoebe, and I can only speak from my own perspective.

    As a grandmother of 4, ranging in age from 16 years to 17 months, I felt a strong bond with each of them from the day they were born. I loved them each with my whole heart and soul from the day they were born. None more than the other. I provided day care to my older 2 grandchildren 5 days a week untill they started school. I am no more bonded with them, than I am the younger 2. One of my grandchildren was born with serious problems. He clung to live during his first week. The thought of loosing him was devastating. Just as it would have been with one of my older grandchild that I had spent a few years with.
    So from my standpoint, I can't agree that Phoebe was more bonded with Gabby.

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    1. Perhaps you were the exception in terms of bonding with your grandchildren. I would hope to feel the same way when I have grandchildren. But, I have known women who actually form a close relationship with one grandchild and reject their other grandchildren. Yes, it is hard for you or me to fathom that, but unfortunately it's not uncommon.

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    2. I really hope that I am not the exception.

      " I would hope to feel the same way when I have grandchildren"

      ....I do believe you will .

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    3. Most people are there when their grandchild is born or play an active role whether through photograph exchanges, gift exchanges, etc. If Phoebe never had interaction with Ayla maybe she just never really thought much about her. Who knows how long Phoebe even knew Ayla existed. Out of sight out of mind sort of thing. Sadly RCO is absolutely correct, even in my own family my grandmother has extremely close ties with one or two of my cousins and none with her 25 other grandchildren. My mother is much closer with my brothers daughter than she is with either of my kids, it isn't right and unfathomable to most people but is a reality. It is extremely difficult to stand by and watch as well.

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    4. "My mother is much closer with my brothers daughter than she is with either of my kids, it isn't right and unfathomable to most people but is a reality. It is extremely difficult to stand by and watch as well"

      I.... feel very bad for you Tori and your children. I understand why it would be extremely difficult for both you and your children.

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    5. Thank you. The excuse has always been that I am more self reliant and my brother relies too much on my mother for daily support and help so she sees my niece more. I have also heard the excuse that we spend too much time with Anthony's family and not enough with my mother so my children are closer to that side. My children are probably closer to his side because his parents make the effort to see the kids regularly, my mother is always too busy. I wish I could say we were an anomaly but there are a lot of other families that have favorites and spend more time with one over the other. It is something we have learned to deal with and our door is always open if they want to change things. The way we see it is it is my family that is missing out on being apart of the lives of my two wonderful children. :)

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    6. Tori, I have 3 grown children and 3 grandchildren - while I love them each as much as the other our relationships are very different, as different as each child. I told my children when they moved out, and have reminded them since, that I'm going to allow them their space, but they are always free to call me or visit anytime... and if there's anything I can do I will. Generally, 2 of them have been needier than the 3rd - I have done more for them as they have asked for help - I love the 3rd just as much and am proud of his independence - and I am thrilled when I can do anything for him. A mother's/grandmother's love is not, in my experience, based on time or any resource spent - it just is there. An example: if my son calls me to talk and we spend 2 hours on the phone, that doesn't mean my other kids want me to call them and talk for 2 hours each to compensate. (A friend of mine lost her husband to suicide and her mother gave her 10k for the funeral. Feeling guilty, the mom then gave each of her other 2 kids 10k for Christmas to try to make it even. I would not do that.) Every person and relationship is different, and as much as we try to keep everything "fair" it can never be exactly balanced. Try not to let the seeming discrepancies bother you... consider also that what may seem an "excuse" can also be considered an "explanation." :)

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    7. Thank you for sharing that and you are right. Maybe I am taking it the wrong way. I just wish the effort made to drive and pick my niece up and the phone calls made to talk to her etc would be made even in part on this end to see her other granddaughter or grandson. My daughter has not seen my mother since Christmas and she lives less than an hour away.

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  4. If it was an accident, and she fell down the stairs, I wonder why there was blood in his vehicle.

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    1. Chicky, that is part of the reason why I waver back and forth between an accident and rage.. What if Justin put a seriously injured Ayla in her carseat, and she died before he reached a medical facility? I know that it is a reach, but maybe it's a possibility.

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    2. Chicky, that is part of the reason why I waver back and forth between an accident and rage.. What if Justin put a seriously injured Ayla in her carseat, and she died before he reached a medical facility? I know that it is a reach, but maybe it's a possibility.

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    3. I lean more towards rage.

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    4. The blood found in Justin's vehicle is said to be "several drops on the left shoulder trap of Ayla's car seat."
      It is possible that this blood had nothing to do with what happened to Ayla on the 16/17th.

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    5. If Ayla was already dead, why then would he have placed her in the car seat ? If this was blood mingled with vomit, as they said, she was placed in the carseat seriously injured, not dead. If she was dead already, wouldn't he have placed her in the trunk instead ?

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    6. Bonnie,

      I agree that if Ayla were deceased she wouldn't have been place in a car seat.

      Referring to "the Case For Ayla", the blood found on the strap of Ayla's car seat was not said to contain vomit.
      The vomit sample was found on the backseat of the vehicle. The blood and vomit were separate. May well have happened at different times.

      "Several drops of Ayla's blood were found on the left shoulder strap of Ayla's car seat in Justin's vehicle. Ayla's dried vomit was found on the backseat"

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    7. How quickly would vomit dry in the December cold?
      How quickly would blood dry on a concrete basement floor and cinder block walls?

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    8. If you look at the general blood locations from least to most and draw the conclusion (which I'm saying is possible but not necessarily true) that the heavier bleeding was toward the end, it would follow that an injured Ayla went from car, to upstairs in the house, to downstairs.

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    9. CG, since WE didn't look at anything, I don't think we can draw any conclusions. It was my understanding that there may have been more that was not shown, not to mention the luminol photos which were not viewed in their entirety.

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    10. The only conclusion I'm drawing is I don't know enough to draw any conclusions about what happened to Ayla where and when.

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    11. It is possible they attempted to bring Ayla to get medical attention and maybe it was too late before they got to the hospital. I know many of you don't buy into the psychic stuff but Steppe who originally sent me a very in depth report on his visions stated early on that there was something about a hospital near a college and that an attempt to get help was made and then abandoned. This is all pure speculation though because I have no idea what happened to Ayla.

      Also I need to say that I am not sold that all of the blood found relates to Ayla's disappearance. Toddlers are prone to injuries because they are exploring, new on their feet, and getting in to things. I believe some of the blood recovered to be Ayla's could have come from a cut on the foot or a bloody lip from a fall etc. I am not saying all of it but I know that my children had minor injuries all the time that required a bandaid and sometimes a stitch or two

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    12. My son is very accident prone and falls nonstop. He is always bruised. But he has only bled from inside his mouth once after biting it and a tiny scratch on his arm. Never has there ever been a drop of blood anywhere in my house even though he has probably hit every wall and corner 20 times.

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    13. If everything is exact about the blood, the amount of blood and the location is surprisingly worrying, especially for a child who stayed only for 50 days in the house.

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    14. I am brand new to this blog....I have been entranced reading most of the day. It breaks my heart to know that an innocent baby is missing or presumed dead an nobody is stepping forward with a legitmate explanation as to what has happened to her. Hence, my mind says there is a cover up by at least one or possible several more adults.

      Based on everything that I have read, I have formed my own theory...here it is just as pure speculation.

      Justin was not fully equipped to be caring for a very young child on his own and was in a fairly new relationship with Courtney. Perhaps he was getting set for a date night (why he needed to go out for wine). Ayla may have been fussy and wouldn't go to sleep so she was not in the way for his date. He may have lost his temper and accidentally hurt his child causing injury and maybe shaken her, similarly to shaken baby syndrome. This would account for the blood and vomit found. He loaded her in his vehicle to get medical attention and she died on the way to the hospital. He may have freaked out and instead of seeking help, he decided it was in his best interest to dispose of the body. Knowing that his girlfriend would soon be arriving, he attempted to clean up blood and evidence. It is possible that neither his sister or girlfriend was aware of what took place as based on photo's that Trista viewed, most of the blood was found in the basement. If Justin's sister was in her room or another area of the house, maybe she wasn't aware that Ayla was hurt. Justin could have cleaned up the blood and/or vomit before Courtney arrived and told the other two adults in the household that Ayla was in bed sleeping when in fact she was already gone......just a theory I have created after reading the blog that started many months ago.....by a "brand new" anonymous person that just HAD to offer up a theory....something to think about.

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    15. That's a possibility...

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  5. Blood
    On side of tv
    On fan cord
    On pallets
    On blue tote
    On sheet inside
    On babydoll face and arms on aylas bed
    On justins sneakers
    On justins bed sheet and mattress
    On couch upstairs
    On her slippers in her room
    On car sear strap
    In vomit beside car seat
    Blood spatter next to stain on couch detected with luminol

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    1. Someone takes the time to clean up blood spatter, and leaves a larger stain visible?

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    2. A larger stain might be more saturated and more difficult to clean up. Once the whole area was darkened with the moisture of whatever was used to clean up, it may have been difficult to tell the blood wasn't as cleaned up as thought. Then when the couch dried, the more saturated area may have stood out again.

      As for the sloppy cleanup in the basement - even finished basements tend to have poor lighting and I'm not so sure how 'finished' that basement really is. Poor lighting could certainly result in a less than thorough clean up. Even if it was done during the day, minimal light comes through the windows of a basement (and one was covered by plastic according to Selena as I recall)

      The blood on the doll? Heartbreaking for sure, and harder to pass off as being left because of a sloppy cleanup. With all the cleaning it seems had to be done though, perhaps it was simply overlooked if it was positioned in such a way that you'd only see the blood if you moved the doll.

      In summary, it seems it was a hastily done clean up job done under a time constraint, to me.

      ~Scout

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    3. which is why Justin may have done the cleaning up alone, before his sister/ Courtney showed up ?

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    4. http://united4ayla.com/on-the-other-side-of-the-crime-scene-tape/

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  6. Elisha disnt see the blood on the couch??? Yeah right !!!

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  7. Blood spatter on the side of a tv is NO ACCIDENT..it was blunt force trauma aka a beating with a fist, or some other weapon....bear bottle?!

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  8. McCausland said it’s not unusual for investigators to show family members evidence and that DiPietro has seen the same information as Reynolds.

    “We do our best to keep family members in the loop as an investigation unfolds, and that’s normal,” said McCausland.

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    Let me get this straight. McCausland says Justin saw the same evidence as Trista. So, Justin saw Ayla's vomit in some locations, Ayla's blood in some locations, Ayla's saliva mixed with blood in some locations. Justin saw the evidence of Ayla's bodily secretions on his own shoes, in his own vehicle, in his own bedroom. On Ayla's doll. On Ayla's car seat strap. On sheets.

    And McCausland described the evidence meeting with the DiPietros as "positive" with "improved communication"?

    Why did McCausland refuse to characterize the evidence meeting with Trista? You know...it was sensitive. It was emotional. It was difficult. IIRC, it was summed up as "what a mother should know."

    Why did the DiPietros view the evidence a couple of months before the same courtesy was extended to Trista? IIRC, Trista was pretty angry and frustrated about that and accused LE of "playing games" with her. She was pissed that they were delaying showing her the evidence that she knew Justin had seen.

    Hinky.

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    1. Looking At The FactsOctober 2, 2013 at 6:51 PM

      Thank you Mckee My thoughts exactly since before this so called evidence was released

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    2. "Why did the DiPietros view the evidence a couple of months before the same courtesy was extended to Trista?"

      My thought is because the blood is in the DiPietros house, the police think the DiPietros (or at least one of them) know what happened to Ayla. Their role with the DiPietros was one of questioning about the evidence, IMO, not informing.

      They could have informed Trista at the same time but I believe they didn't because they didn't want to risk her doing something/saying something that would screw up their opportunity to get answers from the DiPietros.

      Wasn't there a time where the DiPietros weren't talking to police at all? Improved communication might = we had a conversation.

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    3. WATERVILLE -- The mother of missing toddler Ayla Reynolds said investigators canceled a meeting that was planned for last week, and she's becoming frustrated by continued delays.

      Police announced the upcoming meeting during a Dec. 14 press conference, when Department of Public Safety spokesman Steve McCausland said investigators would meet with Trista Reynolds "in the coming days." Reynolds said a meeting scheduled for Dec. 19 was canceled by a detective who told her it would be rescheduled later that week.

      "I still haven't heard from them," Reynolds said Thursday.

      McCausland, who is on vacation, didn't immediately respond to a reporter's message.

      Investigators were planning to show Reynolds items that were recovered from the Kennebec River during a search of the Lockwood Dam on April 25, she said. They also planned to present her the same information that investigators shared with members of Ayla's paternal family -- father Justin DiPietro, aunt Elisha DiPietro and grandmother Phoebe DiPietro -- in October, Reynolds said.

      "They've been doing this for six months," she said of the delays.

      "Six months ago, when all this stuff came up in the river, they told me they wanted to sit down and show things to me, and they still haven't done it. Now they're playing games with me."

      http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/trista-reynolds-frustrated-with-investigators_2012-12-27.html
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      I don't know, CG. Sounds like the investigators were pretty cold and heartless if Trista's account is true. Why scrub such an important and sensitive meeting with Ayla's mother? Why was Trista denied "what a mother should know" for over two months after Justin, Elisha, and Phoebe saw the evidence?

      Why would detectives be so reckless and insensitive towards Trista?

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    4. I think it's insensitive McKee, especially if they didn't give her an explanation, but not necessarily reckless. Trista wants Ayla returned and she wants justice. This may have been what they were trying to accomplish, at least with the blood evidence. I'm not so sure about the dam items. My guess on that is they had another way to identify them and so didn't need her help, but I could be wrong.

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    5. Maybe they were hoping to be able to charge somebody and were waiting for more results, maybe they wanted to see the DiPietros' reaction.

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    6. I agree McKeety, if Justin was presented the same evidence, I find it strange that the meeting was seen as positive and that communication was renewed.

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    7. But LE got the DiPietros reaction back in October, Bonnie.

      Two months later, on December 14, McCausland said Trista would view the evidence "in the coming days."

      Showing the paternal family the evidence in October and stalling Trista until January is NOT keeping all family members "in-the-loop."

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    8. No, I agree, I wonder though if they really showed them the exact evidence, and they also knew that if they told Trista, she would speak, is this why they would have waited before telling her ?

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  9. I have no doubt Justin found taking care of & being responsible for Ayla very challenging. So what? Then return her! Or ask for help!

    *If Justin was overwhelmed, he should have told Trista they needed to sit down together & work out a parenting plan. Very simple. Any plan & cooperation at all would have been an improvement. If it was about Ayla, not money & control he would have asked Trista to work with him & they could have shared responsibility.

    If Justin had any thoughts of 'rescuing' Ayla he would have made efforts to get legal custody. But the reality is, instead he was waiting out the money he owed the state for Ayla. He did not want to pay the money for her past care or her then current care.

    I personally fear Justin was keeping Ayla to hide abuse.

    I do believe Justin's actions were about money not parenting. Anger, Resentment, Control & Money!


    ***The blood found on the wall at Ayla's height, what purpose to not explain that to Ayla's own mother.

    Anyone who know the answer to all the blood, throw up & saliva owes Ayla's mother an explanation. Any1 who knows the reason for any & all blood found in Phoebe's house owes Trista the reasons for it. The mother has a right to know! They really should look her in the eye & tell her the reason for every drop found by LE!!!! We all would expect the other parent to explain.

    For God's sake if it happened under Trista's care she would owe Justin an explanation!
    ms.p

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    1. "If Justin was overwhelmed, he should have told Trista they needed to sit down together & work out a parenting plan."

      That was never a possibility, because that would have Justin putting himself in a weak position. Having been raised by a controlling mother, with no adequate male influence, Justin saw controlling his girlfriends as a way of being a "man" and in charge. He couldn't control his mother, but he darn well would control the women he slept with. For Justin, it is never about loving someone, it's about controlling them. When he makes them feel weak and controlled, he feels strong and manly.

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  10. There is no excuse at all for Phoebe not telling all she knows in the investigation of Ayla being missing. If she knows some or all of what happened to Ayla & is covering up for any reason, even for her own guilt or even for the love of the guilty person(s) involved, she needs to get over it.

    And that is even more so (if that is even possible) because she went with her son and police to snatch (legal or not) Ayla while Trista was not present. I highly doubt Trista was asking for all that to happen.

    I think of Phoebe as selfish & arrogant about everything involving Ayla & Trista. She comes across to me as if she thinks she is somehow superior and does not owe any explanations.

    Trista gets criticized by a few no matter what she does. It looks obvious to me that all the Dipietro's locked Trista out of what happened from the beginning. As if they were to good or above her to have to sit down and talk face to face about what they knew & thought happened to Ayla. Why???? Maybe because, then they don't have to worry about slipping up & saying something they don't want to accidentally let out! There is no other reasonable explanation.

    I find it appalling that some judge Trista for approaching Justin in the street. Yes, even with cameras rolling. It is philosophical for each & every1 of us! But it is not philosophical for Trista! If Justin had ever offered to sit down with Trista or agreed to meet with her in person & talk about it all, even once or twice or three times, well, confronting Justin in public would not have been as necessary. If Phoebe had ever sat down with Ayla's mother & talked to her in a human way, well, Trista may not have needed to approach Phoebe in public.

    And why the need for camera's? Well on this specific blog, how many times have I read that Trista is untrustworthy. That some believe Trista tells things wrong? Well we all saw much of what happened that day for ourselves. And that is that. We may have different feelings about what we saw... But this time, Trista is not telling how Justin refuses to talk to her, we saw it for our selves. And if he was actually willing to meet with Trista, why did he not say that. He simply could have stated: I will talk to you privately. Or something similar? And then she would have agreed most likely. Or countered with her reason to talk about it publicly. Come on Justin, you think you don't owe a sit down with the mother of your child?

    Why does she even need to ask? AT ALL? Why would a parent have to beg the adults present when Ayla was reported missing to sit down with her? It has to be they are hiding something. What other explanation?

    I do have sympathy for anyone initially getting dragged into something horrible and they just did not know what to do if they were afraid. But to continue the covering up & not helping bring Ayla home, however that can be done, is inexcusable!

    If Phoebe is indeed covering up or looking the other way because of her own guilt or for any reason, I really hope she gets over it very soon & finds out the whole truth and helps bring Ayla back.
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    1. "Why would a parent have to beg the adults present when Ayla was reported missing to sit down with her?"

      Good point. They won't sit down with her BECAUSE they are hiding the truth. If they talk, they risk saying something that blows their story.

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  11. Ms. P., I agree with everything that you have written. It is quite obvious that Justin, Phoebe, Elisha, and Courtney have done everything possible to avoid being held accountable for little Ayla's demise.

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    1. Rose City, I am so glad you have been sharing your thoughts. I value reading them! Ms. P.

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    2. "It is quite obvious that Justin, Phoebe, Elisha, and Courtney have done everything possible to avoid being held accountable for little Ayla's demise."
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      Rose, before I address this comment, let me just say that I hope you had a safe and enjoyable trip to Palo Alto!

      Now, to your comment: I understand you feel strongly that the DiPietros are responsible for Ayla's fate. I tend to lean in that direction myself. But there is something so very off here.

      Why won't LE declare Ayla dead? The unequivocal evidence indicates that there is a zero percent she survived the blood loss, right?

      Why is Ayla still classified as "missing." Her remains may never, ever be recovered.

      Why no reaction from MSP about what has transpired these past two weeks? Why their "we will neither confirm or deny" stance regarding the content of Trista's interview?

      Why aren't Alex and his mom speaking out about the evidence they allegedly were privy to?

      Why won't LE publically clear Trista as a possible suspect? I think that would go a LONG way in tampering down the speculation.

      And the most troubling...why did Trista leave Ayla with Justin for over two months after her discharge from rehab? According to Trista, she didn't fetch her daughter because she believed Ayla was safe and okay in Justin's care.

      After bruising from a non-existing ball-pit.. After a pulled leg muscle. After a broken arm.

      I doubt we'll ever see eye-to-eye on this, Rose, but I want you to know that I have deep respect for you. I'm close to my cousin and her three children. What your cousin and her children endured is unspeakable. I can't imagine it...

      I respect your position regarding Ayla's case. I, however, still have questions...

      Wishing you well, Rose.

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    3. Hi, mckeekitty! Thank you for your kind thoughts.:) Yes, the trip to Palo Alto went well, but I miss my daughter. I have never seen a campus like Stanford! It is huge (8,000 acres) and really is like it's own little town. I wish that I could post some pictures of the beautiful church and campus. Her brothers, especially my six year old son, miss her terribly. But, she will be back up here for Thanksgiving, and two weeks after that for winter break. We are already planning her plane tickets; there is no way I will drive through Grants Pass, the Siskiyou mountains, and Shasta Mountain area during the months of November and December with the high elevations and snowfall.

      I will try to get on later tonight or tomorrow and respond to the rest of your post. I am sorry, but I am swamped in school work already, and my term just started. One class is online, and the other two are very research oriented, with tons of reading.:(

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  12. For those of you who think that what happened to Ayla in her father's home was an accident ---- how can the repeated injuries to Ayla while living in his home be explained? All accidents? I cannot believe that it was an accident due to the previous injuries that she sustained.

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    1. Justin's anger issues. He obviously has a potential for violence. Driving his brother around to beat on Linnell. Phoebe worrying about her "boys" going around beating down doors looking for Ayla. Shoving his ex-girlfriend in public. Obviously, the meek Justin we are suppose to believe exists (according to his backers) is a myth. A person who has resentment and anger building in them are prone to blind rages. Justin is pretty big and Ayla was pretty small. She didn't have a chance.

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    2. Accidents, to me, do not happen when people intentionally do something violent.

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  13. I have always wondered if Ayla didn't "go missing" before that night and morning. I'm sure that LE has established a time table of when Ayla was last seen and by whom. Could she have been missing for even a few days before she was reported missing? It was reported early on that Justin had canceled Ayla's recheck appointment with the doctor regarding her broken arm. Does any of us know when that doctor's appointment was? Wouldn't it make sense that Ayla had already met with foul play before that appointment, thus, necessitating its cancellation?

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    1. I've often believe Ayla was harmed prior to the 16th. Consider that Trista was unable to "talk" to Ayla (due to excuses by the Dipietro family)since December 8th on.

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  14. Would some believe the slides more if they heard it from Alex and his mother instead it be second hand from Jeff? I am not saying anybody on here or any other blog has said that but some have said that Trista does tend to get info mixed up. Hearing it from the other 2 people that viewed the slides and heard what the police said about may enforce people's beliefs that Ayla is no longer alive and this is a search and recovery. Maybe people would be more into looking for her to get justice if they heard it from someone besides the family. Some may feel Trista is out to get Justin and I feel this way sway people more into believing her. Just a thought and please no attacks. I have seen on here that some do not believe she gets her facts right or forgets easy so she may not give out the right info. This is just getting rived up again and maybe adding fuel to the fire may get people more involved. We sure do not want this to go quiet again because so many cases seem to be only hear when the anniversary of them missing comes around and we sure do not want this to go another year or more. People need to be made believers that something has happen to Ayla and only one side is crying out to find her. Maybe the other side was told to be quiet because only guilty people speak out. Dam if you do and dam if you don't. This was sure not one of the subjects they taught in school or the classes would have been overloaded.

    Nene_please

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  15. I find myself wondering how this comment made by Jeff coincides with the evidence that Trista was shown and released. How it coincides with the Press For Prosecution of Justin?
    The comment was made on Feb. 27th. After the statement about Trista receiving "unequivocal evidence" that Ayla was deceased.

    .....Answers For Ayla. Feb. 27 ...Tori, It is a common misconception that I think Justin is 100% guilty. For the most part, I have been relaying the information I have heard from Trista and MSP.. but I still have reasonable doubt. That's what my future post is about. ... as I said before:

    *Justin may not be guilty of anything more than being an unsatisfactory role model* but it seems that he has been influenced by someone to participate in Ayla’s life

    He also has stated that he met with a detective working on Ayla's case in early March to answers questions he had. He relayed a few things from that meeting, ...about the bedroom door, ...that Justin told MSP that he spent Friday with Ayla,... that Justin went for wine around 8,.. that Courtney stayed with the kids in the basement while Justin went to get the wine.
    He stated that **other than those things he didn't learn anything new**
    IIRC.

    So what happened between March and ? July-Aug. to change his mind about the possibility that Justin may not be guilty of anything besides being a bad role model?
    Or did that comment have a different purpose?

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    1. Different things are said and done to try to prompt the guilty to talk. Even police will take a hard line approach and a soft approach. Everything said has a purpose beyond the obvious.

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    2. Bad cop, good cop.

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    3. " Everything said has a purpose beyond the obvious"

      Well you may be right.
      I'd really be interested in what Jeff has to say though.

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  16. I took that to mean it may have been an accident and that they don't know for sure Justin beat Ayla.

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    1. Was Jeff's comment made in 2012 or 2013 ?

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    2. Bonnie, he said this year. 2013.

      Anonymous 4:37.

      You could be right. What I'm interested in knowing is if he wasn't sure at that time, how and why is he now? What happened between March and July-Aug to convince him that Justin is guilty?

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  17. "I think the problem in this case is that no one had formed a bond with Ayla and for a young father without a stable job or stable home of their own Ayla was a burden."

    There you have the basis of this whole mess. Ayla was only a hardship for Phoebe, Justin and the whole Dipietro family. Phoebe didn't want Justin to have to pay child support, so she (and her DHHS friends) seized the opportunity to steal Ayla from Trista and her family. At first, I believe the motivation was merely to "not have to pay Trista". Justin was forced to move back home, give up his womanizing single lifestyle and take care of Ayla (whom he resented from the beginning, so much so he ask Trista to abort. She was force to lie and say the baby wasn't his to stop his harassment). Justin hated that Ayla caused him to have to leave his lifestyle and live in the basement of his mothers home. Resentment has a nasty way of becoming abusive toward the object of hatred (Ayla). Perhaps it was an "accident", but Justin should never have taken Ayla out of Trista's care. Justice will happen, it always does. Sometimes it just takes time. Sooner or later, someone will talk and those who harmed Ayla will be punished. All they need do is wonder WHEN.

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  18. Justin put Ayla to bed at 8:00 he said on TV and then told LE, according to Jeff, that he left the house for wine at 8:00 leaving CR in charge of the kids.

    Oh, oh. Courtney, look at that big Greyhound coming for you! I mean, if push comes to shove, of course. Do you think you mean anything to the DiPietros now you've flown the coop or were ousted from it?

    Courtney ought to be getting a lawyer. That is, if she is innocent of anything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. And especially if she is not innocent of everything. Perhaps the Roberts clan have counsel on permanent retainer. I wouldn't be surprised.

    CR, according to the gentle tap Justin gave her on the street in Portland, may not be conforming to agreed standards of DiPietro behavior, i.e. STFU. I wonder if Courtney had been talking to someone about that night. Is she looking over her shoulder? The original "I'm not getting involved gal" better start looking for a new career and not in criminal justice. She doesn't have a good enough rep. She may well be remembered as not giving a damm about justice.

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    1. So why is Courtney's car parked behind his ? Did he use Courntey's car to get the wine ?

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    2. Could be, Bonnie. We don't know if Justin really went to get wine. Or even if he told LE he did. If he did go, or told LE he went, maybe that's an excuse to throw suspicion on Courtney. He left her in charge of the kids. Justin could have moved the cars in that position to bolster alibis. His, hers?

      And what's he doing with wine and all the empty beer bottles in the basement in his mom's house "where they don't drink"sayeth Phoebe's lawyer. I can just see LE getting all these different stories from all the four people involved...including Miz Phoebe...LE trying to make sense out of their colliding stories and mumbling, "Oh, yeah, we got us some hinky, here!"

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    3. If an establishment sells bottles of wine, aren't there usually cameras inside our outside the store with a time and date stamp? Does anyone know if there is video of the purchase or proof with a debit or credit card purchase? This certainly would give us a timeline.

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  19. http://united4ayla.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/crime-scene-diagram.pdf

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    1. thank you for sharing the link.
      I wonder was there any wine bottles found in the basement. Wasnt it stated that Justin went to get Courtney some wine the nite of the 16th?
      Also if DHHS had actually gone to the Dipietro home and saw the filth in that home would they have still placed Ayla there?
      A favor for a friend..it just had to be! I cannot think of any other reason for Ayla to be placed in that house in that condition!

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  20. IMO, Trista was not shown the slide show by LE due to the sensitivity and being one week away until Christmas. Why bring on more grief and pain to a mother suffering an unbearable loss already. The DiPietro's were shown earlier because they are possible suspects in that Ayla was in their care at the time of her disappearance. LE probably wanted to see their reaction and hear their explanation of all the blood evidence.

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  21. Space, I agree with you though it is hard and some kids are less able to see it than others. I read in a book on sibling rivalry when my kids were young that you should try to focus on giving each kid what that kid needs and when one complains he got it and I didn't, point out a time when the complaining kid got what he needed and the other kid got nothing because he didn't need anything right then. When one kid is chronically needy, that can make it seem like favoritism, though.

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  22. Since the basement was a mess, and there were dirty clothes everywhere and empty beer containers strewn around, (not to speak of the blood drops, splatter visible) what do you think the DiPietros were thinking? A little girl disappears from your home and you don't think every bit of your property will be searched? LE would certainly search every nook, cranny and closet of that house just in case Ayla was there, overlooked in the panic. Perhaps sleeping someplace. Locked in a cupboard by mistake. In the shed or garage? Everywhere on that premesis would have been gone over with a fine-tooth comb.Perhaps the DiPietros thought just the room with the blood on Ayla's dolly and on Ayla's pink slippers would be searched?

    And I don't even believed she disappeared "that night".I think she was gone on the morning or early p.m. of the 16th when Derek was there or perhaps just after he left the "playdate".

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    1. The filth they lived in was "normal" to the Dipietro family.

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    2. SAD.....if this was the "normal" condition of the house then why wasn't there a social worker investigating or doing a house check before she was placed in this filth BEFORE she was left there 59 days BEFORE she "disappeared"?

      This whole story stinks of a cover up by the paternal family!!!

      My thoughts and prayers are with Ayla and the people that are trying to seek justice for her. May the angels wrap her in their wings and protect her where ever she may be. GOD BLESS YOU BABY AYLA!

      I have to place some blame on the "system"!

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    3. The MANY areas where blood was found does not indicate a little bloody nose OR split lip! The areas seem to spread throughout the house. This is NOT evidence of an accident. This is evidence of violence and rage....not a little accident.

      I hope and pray that those responsible will soon be held accountable!

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    4. If this house was indeed so filthy, why didn't Ayla's MOTHER seek to have removed from there when she visited?

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    5. OMG What good would it have done her! DHHS would of just fluffed her off. DHHS should be answering for what part they played in this terrible tradgedy!

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    6. Trista knew how to file for PR&R in December. Why didn't she do it in early November if the house was unsafe?

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    7. "Why didn't she do it in early November if the house was unsafe?"

      I don't believe that Trista' was concerned about Ayla's safety.
      She stated several times in the early interviews of this case that she thought that Ayla was well cared for. That her and Justin had an agreement that he would take care of Ayla until she was on her feet.
      It wasn't until Justin wanted to aquire legal custody of Ayla, that Trista filed for PP& R.

      From Nancy Grace:

      TRISTA REYNOLDS, AYLA REYNOLDS` MOTHER (via telephone): No. I did not tell Justin that I was going to the court to file. Now, me and him had had the discussion within that week that he told me himself that he was going to file the custody papers against me. So I decided to go and file against him.

      .......This also shows that Justin and Trista talked in the days before Ayla went missing.
      It also helps me to understand the text in which Justin expressed his concerns of someone coming to take Ayla.
      He knew Trista had that right.

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