Sunday, September 29, 2013

Ayla Bell Reynolds

I have to start this post off with something that may surprise some of you.

When the "Case For Ayla" came into my hands, I had words for Trista that weren't something everyone would expect. I felt for her. My heart ached for her. My tears fell, for her, for Ayla, for Justin, for everyone involved. When I was presented with that information, and that is what I will call it, not evidence, because we have only gotten that word from Trista, my heart broke. As the months went on and I was trickled more and more information from that January meeting, my feelings grew deeper in sadness. I had questions. I had anger. I had frustration. I felt lost, and I shared that with Tori many, many times, in depth because the information was known by both of us. But I also shared, what little I could of those feelings, with my TLLOM ladies, the ones who I have worked so closely with for almost 2 years to strive to bring awareness and bring people from every corner of North America to search for Ayla Bell Reynolds. We all shared the same sentiments. If Trista was so sure Ayla was deceased, and she had evidence, why was there no movement at all? Why were statements like "Justin is free to go just like you and I" made. Why did it seem like there was no work being done publicly, not only by Justin himself, but by Trista? And families? It seemed like everything suddenly stopped after Trista's meeting with MSP. But with her stopping, why did Justin's family say they felt hope and renewed feelings for the law enforcement involved. They stated that both families were shown the same hand. Was the information presented differently to both families? Yet it was the same information?

I am frustrated watching the news specials since Wednesday's altercation. I'm heartbroken for Trista that she felt she needed to get the media there to confront Justin. I almost wonder if she had done it differently if maybe, just maybe, he would have spoken with her, even if just a little. I know I would hate that ambush. I'm sure you would too. I don't condone Phoebe calling Ron an asshole. I don't condone Ron screaming "your son killed my granddaughter". I don't think the ladies should have squared off in a screaming match. But I do feel that emotions are running so high, almost anything was bound to happen. I don't think Justin should have run like he did, but I understand that after being followed and hounded and screamed at, he just wanted to get away from it all. I am frustrated with the "facts" that they are putting forward. Just the other night on HLN After Dark they said Portland is 160 miles away from Waterville. Clearly no one checked a map, because 76.02 miles is almost 100 miles shorter than 160. And 76.02 miles is how far apart those two cities are. They also stated that Trista has been cleared by LE. Well, I'm sorry,  but I have NOT heard them state that as a fact. I'm not saying Trista is guilty of anything at all, but let's be honest - they have said over and over "No One has been cleared as a suspect". That leaves everyone open. Including you and me! So we cannot take the words being spread through the media as fact, but I thought that was kind of common sense. Media looks for what sells. What makes the big money. What gets more viewers or more followers. They keep saying "No one would want to be in Trista's shoes right now".... well guess what, I wouldn't want to be in anyone of their shoes. Not Trista, not Ron, not Jessica, not Justin, not Elisha, not Phoebe. NONE. Hell, there are days I wonder why I got so far into this and I have to be in my own shoes. There are two families here, who, like it or not, are being torn apart every single day. What do they each know? We don't know. We aren't supposed to know, the people who are supposed to know are the ones investigating. We are just simply on the sidelines, cheering for Ayla, and hoping for her return, and at this point a return of her in any way would be a victory and a step towards Justice for Ayla.

I don't know if Justin knows anything else. I don't know if Trista does. I don't know if Ron does. The only thing I'm certain of is that I don't. But I wish I did. And I'm sure you wish you did too. There are so many people involved here, and they all have their own personal life issues, that it's hard to say just where the blame should go. I think that the biggest thing I would like to see out of all this is that people look at both sides of the coin. Neither family is perfect. They each have their own family dynamic issues - both are broken homes. Both have had some sort of substance issues. I wish that those who pick apart the DiPietro's would pick apart the Reynolds. I wish that those who pick apart the Reynolds would pick apart the DiPietro's. This one sided, "pick a side" bullshit is getting to me. Both have had their lives turned upside down through this. Both want Ayla home. That's the most important thing to look at here - BOTH WANT AYLA HOME. And isn't that what we are here for? Finding a way to bring Ayla home?


.... stay tuned. Many of you have asked, and I know I have avoided, what I really think happened to Ayla, and how I would explain some of this evidence. That is up next.

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  1. Looking At The FactsSeptember 29, 2013 at 8:45 AM

    Excellent post Kate.

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  2. Thank you Katie for the great post and speaking for both sides.

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  3. Katie I appreciate your honesty and I look forward to your next post. I hope you will address one thing when you post again and that is how you could see it as possible (if you do) that none of the 3 in the house that night know anything when the blood was in so many places. The place that makes their story the most unbelievable to me is Justin's bed. He and Courtney told police they slept there but there was blood IN the bed and AROUND the bed. Either it was there before they went to bed (and how do they explain that) or you have to come up with a theory that has Ayla bleeding on and around his bed while they're sleeping in it (hard to fathom) or they know something -- to me the latter is pretty much the obvious answer, but I am interested in how you might see it differently.

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  4. Thank you, Katie. This was very well written, and it spoke to my heart.

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  5. Good post Katie. I'm interested to hear how you see things. I'm hoping when you share your view - you'll be able to inspire some hope in me that Ayla is still alive.

    Even thinking she wasn't since May 2012 & then hearing the evidence shared w/Trista hit me like a ton of bricks.

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  6. Kinda off point but still on topic:

    I think LE needs to buck up & share some info. Doesn't need to be much. Things that would have no bearing on the case if it was ever tried.

    Like, for instance, who has been cleared and who is a suspect.

    LE is failing to realize many of the tax payers that fund everything they do have an emotional investment in this case. We need to see justice & we need to know simple facts.

    The tax payers also have a financial investment. We have paid for the whole investigation. LE at least needs to share small tid bits of info that won't damage the quest for justice for Ayla.

    I have never seen a case with such a shutdown of information.

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  7. LE is failing to realize many of the tax payers that fund everything they do have an emotional investment in this case. We need to see justice & we need to know simple facts.

    The tax payers also have a financial investment. We have paid for the whole investigation. LE at least needs to share small tid bits of info that won't damage the quest for justice for Ayla.

    I have never seen a case with such a shutdown of information."

    Well said, Chicken Little. I am always surprised when people say it's none of the public's business. Police action is the public's business, that's why police exist.

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    1. It would be nice, but they owe us nothing. They have their reasons, and we must trust and respect their expertise.

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    2. I believe they shouldn't share anything that would jeopardize their case. I can now understand their unwillingness to share much information. Information can get blown out of proportion, and twisted in so many ways that it can be misinterpreted.

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  8. Very nice heartfelt post Katie, thank you.

    I so understand your feelings. It was so heartbreaking to read the Case For Ayla.
    I haven't come to terms with it yet. I imagine it will take much more time. Right now I tend not to focus on that.
    I've always felt that Ayla is alive, and could have been abducted. It's so hard to reconcile my feelings with what has been released by the maternal family.

    While I've held those feelings I haven't closed my eyes (nor my brain) to the fact that I could be very wrong. I full well know that there is a real possibility that Ayla is no longer alive.
    It's hard to argue with your heart, so I scrutinize everything very carefully. My loyalty to Ayla requires no less. Make no mistake, I am here for Ayla, not her maternal or paternal family.
    It's Ayla that draws me, not either side of her family. I'm not one who routinely follows missing child cases, not in the extent that I have Ayla's. She compels me,

    I can and do have much sympathy for BOTH Ayla's maternal and paternal families, as I do not know what happened to Ayla. Out of respect for Ayla I will not condemn or hurl nasty accusations to or about HER FAMILY members.
    I will continue to look for answers and leave no stone unturned.



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  9. Thanks Katie, what you said pretty much sums it all up... As much as we THINK we know, the truth is we really don't know all that much. There are so many variables and unknowns in this case and if LE were so sure about everything that transpired then why after two years has there been little to no movement on this case?

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  10. Katie, can you expand on this statement please?

    "Both have had some sort of substance issues."

    We know Trista was in rehab, she has been up front about that. Other than knowing that Courtney's sister was busted for dealing drugs, which she claimed not to have used, we have only 3rd hand rumors about "substance issues" on the DiPietro side. We've heard that they don't drink in that house, we've heard that a little second hand pot smoke was a good way to get babies to sleep, we've heard that Justin was a small time dealer and that he was not.

    What do you know that leads you to say there was some sort of substance issue on the DiPietro side?

    Thanks in advance for clarifying that.

    ~Scout

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    1. I wonder if it is alcohol related? On Justin's recent court date the officer noted Justin had alcohol in his vehicle which violated the terms of his bail release conditions.

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  11. I don't understand why law enforcement, won't talk about the blood evidence. There was a missing person's case that I used to follow (the person's body was recovered) and law enforcement release the information about the blood evidence before the person's body was found. And the releasing of the blood evidence didn't compromise the case at all.

    I wish McClausland would do another press release or whatever. There has to be movement somewhere within this case.

    I am still holding out 1% of hope that they find Ayla alive. So much time has gone by...it is difficult to believe that Ayla is still alive. Especially, after hear from LE that it is highly unlikely that she will be found alive.

    I also find it curious that Trista had been silent for so long and then BOMB she came out from ever she had been. I wonder if having her new baby had screwed with her hormones or if she is just to a breaking point (near freaking the F-out).

    I will be looking forward to your post about what you think happened to Ayla.


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    1. BOOM* not BOMB...

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    2. I don't think it's hormones. I think it's grief. Grief defines itself in its own way and proceeds on its own timeline. Kind of like justice, unfortunately.

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  12. Justin spoke out to the kidnapper and stated: "You may think what you're doing is right for Ayla, but it's not. You have no right. You're not her parent. She belongs home with her family."

    This contradicts:
    "Why don't you tell us what you did with her, Trista?" asked Phoebe DiPietro.
    http://www.necn.com/09/25/13/Maine-mom-confronts-missing-toddlers-dad/landing_newengland.html?blockID=853479&tagID=67658
    and
    "Elisha DiPietro, who was leaving the house on Violette Avenue. DiPietro, the sister of Ayla's father, Justin DiPietro, was one of the three adults at the house when Ayla disappeared. As she started to drive by she slowed down and we started saying 'Where's Ayla?' Out of her car window she said 'Why don't you ask Trista?'"

    Because Trista is her parent.

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    1. Elisha's statement media source:
      http://www.kjonline.com/news/Waterville-walk-for-Ayla-Reynolds-includes-prayers-brief-confrontation.html

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    2. Justin speaks out to the kidnapper saying "You're not her parent"
      Phoebe and Elisha have inquired of Trista to tell them where Ayla can be found.
      This contradicts Justin's claim. Trista is Ayla's parent... therefore not her kidnapper.

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    3. Many suspect that a friend or family member took Ayla at Trista's request. If that was the case, which I am not so sure is, Trista could know where she is but the person who technically has her is not her parent.

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    4. Have the many who have suspected this have proof and presented their proof to LE? And how is the blood evidence explained if it is a "kidnapping/removal" of Ayla at the request of Trista? Why would Trista have someone kidnap Ayla... especially someone who would spill Ayla's blood to boot? I know LE didn't publicly confirmed more than "a small cut would produce but didn't refute http://aylareynolds.com release of info:

      "McCausland wouldn't say how much blood had been discovered at the home.
      It was reported Saturday that police found blood in the house at 29 Violette Ave. when they searched it in December.
      The family contended on the website that state police shared the discovery with them, but planned to withhold the information from the media.
      McCausland said Sunday police had initially decided to withhold information that the blood belongs to Ayla because police need to perform tests on other samples.
      "I prefer not to give out partial results, but (the Reynolds) family has released that tonight, and that information is correct," he said."

      http://www.kjonline.com/news/Blood-found-at-missing-toddlers-home-is-Ayla-Reynolds.html?pagenum=full

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    5. "...police had initially decided to withhold information that the blood belongs to Ayla because police need to perform tests on other samples"

      I wonder what the other/type samples that were tested.

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    6. "Many suspect that a friend or family member took Ayla at Trista's request."
      but LE has stated: "Investigators have ruled out any possibility that Ayla left the house on her own or that she was abducted. Investigators discovered Ayla's blood in the basement of her home, and the three adults who were in the home at the time are withholding information. Police believe that Ayla is probably dead."
      http://www.maine.gov/tools/whatsnew/index.php?topic=state_police_unsolved&id=605022&v=Article-missing

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    7. "Many suspect that a friend or family member took Ayla at Trista's request." Actually Tori, aside from commentators on this blog and another pink blog (not sure if the other blog is even still updated) I do not know of even one person on another website or elsewhere who even remotely suspects that someone abducted Ayla, let alone abducted her at Trista's request. Of course, I could be completely missing something. From my observations, the majority of people believe that Ayla came to harm and died while in her father Justin's care.

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    8. I don't dispute what either of you are saying from the beginning I have thought that an accident happened and Ayla died and it was covered up because of a failure to take responsibility for their actions which has been ingrained in them from a young age, a lot of people around Justin and even Lance's ages have an air of self preservation and self importance, I think it has a lot to do with the generation. Obviously not everyone born in that generation go out and kill people and cover it up. There are obviously underlying issues there.

      Those that do feel it is possible that the evidence and info from LE is being interpreted differently and is a matter of perspective are not necessarily people who support Justin or are friends with him just those that have hope Ayla is alive and don't trust Trista,and possibly people who have issues with LE and authority, I am not condoning it or saying it is right or even saying there are scores of people who feel this way was only pointing out that those who feel Ayla was abducted don't necessarily feel Trista did it but feel it was either done at Trista's bequest or phoebe's and that possibly Justin does not know and therefore Ayla is not with either parent.

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    9. I understand that everything stated by LE can be interpreted in different ways. No doubt about it, it does get down to what you believe or want to believe. I think it is simply human to question and to want to believe in goodness rather than the alternative.

      TORI: "a lot of people around Justin and even Lance's ages have an air of self preservation and self importance, I think it has a lot to do with the generation. Obviously not everyone born in that generation go out and kill people and cover it up. There are obviously underlying issues there."

      You have spoken with a great deal of insight. You do bring up a good point: What are the "obvious underlying issues there"? What is the ramification of "self preservation" in conjunction with "self importance" as it relates to Ayla's case?

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    10. Back before the blogs merged and I separated myself from U4A, I did a post in regards to the questions you asked above, not the exact questions but the general idea. Since I don't know the DiPietros personally all I had to go on were claims from people who knew the family personally at one point or another and even those were unreliable as we all know people come out of the woodwork in cases like these to add what they know and at times those people have fabricated the information.

      In a more general sense, people born around in and around the same time as Justin and the others involved seem to have no fear of authority or their parents, society blames it on tv and the media, video games, being exposed to things at an earlier age etc, the list goes on. There are also a lot more broken homes and children born out of wedlock at a young age, many of the mothers being still in high school. I think that as far as if an accident did occur and was covered up it was done so out of pure instinct. Someone commented early on that Phoebe constantly defended her children with issues they had at school (bullying I believe was the issue this commenter had mentioned) and that Phoebe acted as though her kids were angels. If they grew up never being held accountable for their actions then it makes sense they would cover this up and Phoebe would aid them in it. If they felt they could be neglible for any part of it, they would immediately kick into self preservation mode to protect themselves from any consequences. Based on that thinking, they are more important than Ayla getting a proper burial or the rest of her family getting closure and have an inflated sense of self importance. Because I don't know the family I am only speculating on what could be a possibility as far as their way of thinking and one possibility of what could have happened to Ayla. I can't wrap my mind around thinking that what happened wasnt an accident and instead intentional.

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    11. http://justiceforayla.blogspot.com/2012/03/phoebe-matriarch-of-dipietro-family.html

      Jazzie, that is the post I was referring to

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    12. Thanks for the links. I will read both J4A post and Phoebe interview links. Need time to gather my response.

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  13. "There are so many people involved here, and they all have their own personal life issues, that it's hard to say just where the blame should go."

    The blame goes to the person who harmed or hid Ayla. Period.

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    1. Chicky You will get no argument from me on that I totally agree.

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    2. You may be the only one Dana :-)

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    3. "it's hard to say just where the blame should go"

      Not so difficult. Whoever harmed/hid/remains silent about Ayla is where the focus should be concentrated.

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    4. Right on Chicky. And I pray we will all know who those criminals are soon.

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    5. "The blame goes to the person who harmed or hid Ayla. Period"

      Absolutely Chicky.

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  14. KATIE: "'No One has been cleared as a suspect'. That leaves everyone open. Including you and me!"
    Not likely. I say this respectively... Speak for yourself.

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    1. ITA. If the police haven't publicly declared a suspect (or 2 or 3), then on the same token it appears logical they won't publicly rule out a suspect. Most people however can read between the lines when LE states that the 3 adults in the house that night are not telling all they know.

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    2. The 3 adults in the house ARE the suspects, but others could be co-conspiritors before or after the fact, assesories or material witnessess.

      For instance
      Derek
      Heidi
      Darrel
      Lance
      Selena
      Kylie
      Briana
      Ayden
      Gabby.
      Etc

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    3. Anon @ 2:30
      I agree with the list of suspects/co-conspirators. I was responding to Katie suggesting that the net is so wide open even any of us commenters ("You or me") could be a suspect.

      Steve McCausland states in the video: "Justin, in his case, obviously is her father, ah, she was in his custody, ah, and that, um, we believe he knows more than he told us. Oh and um, and that is where we stand. That, there is, we think, that he or the two others, inside that home, or any others that are associated with that home, may have information but they just haven't told us."
      http://bangordailynews.com/2012/05/31/news/mid-maine/police-highly-unlikely-ayla-reynolds-will-be-found-alive/

      This public disclosure of LE's stance that "“We think it is highly unlikely Ayla Reynolds will be found alive,” stood out for me, because Steve McCausland said for the first time "any others that are associated with that home" in relation to what happened to Ayla/information on what happened to Ayla. I do not think Ayla is alive. I take my cues usually from LE, not blogs. I watched a lot of video footage of LE in the first two-three weeks that Ayla went "missing". It's very telling.

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    4. March 11, 2012:
      McCausland said Monday the decision by investigators to release the information was responsible.
      “We felt it was important that the public understand some specifics of the investigation. We felt it was important that the public understand the magnitude of this investigation and that some of the blood was Ayla’s,” he said.
      He wouldn’t comment on whether more samples have been attributed to Ayla, but said investigators have made progress.
      “It’s a positive sign that the forensic work done by a committed team at the State Police Crime Laboratory is giving investigators new information almost on a daily basis, without getting into specifics.”
      http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/Father-friends-say-its-possible-cops-say-no-way.html?pagenum=full

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  15. Well-said Katie. Regarding the events at the courthouse, if Trista had gone there without her "supporters" and their taunts, and waited outside the courtroom for Justin they may have been able to talk. Instead, Trista and Ron put themselves in a courtroom that had nothing to do with them. Phoebe was there with her son, she called Ron an asshole. (From the news reports of him threatening a family member with a knife and resisting arrest, he probably is.) She didn't drive by his house to say that. Each time in the video from that day, the verbal altercations have started when the Reynolds or Trista by herself approached Phoebe. I can't say that I think Phoebe and I would be pals if we knew each other, but I don't think she would cover up the murder of her grandbaby. It makes no sense to do so - who would it help? Maybe the police could bring both Trista and Justin in and question them together. See what happens if they have time in the same room. If each thinks the other is guilty they should welcome the opportunity to get a feel for it themselves.

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  16. space, emotions aren't logical. If she did cover up, her likely motive is keeping her precious son out of jail.

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    1. I don't believe I know anyone who, if in Phoebe's shoes, would be primarily motivated to keep their son out of jail. I don't think giving one's son a pass on murdering his baby is protection. If she believes he's guilty she is allowing him the lifelong torture of being unaccountable, and what he may do in the future, if she feels he's not tortured by it, that is also a problem. Further, to allow him around her other grandchild would be unfathomable. Right or wrong, I think Phoebe believes Justin did not murder Ayla.

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    2. "Right or wrong, I think Phoebe believes Justin did not murder Ayla"

      I agree. If your son is precious to you, if you love your son or daughter, you would never cover up for him or her if they murdered a child.
      I believe Phoebe is sincere in her belief's than Justin did not harm Ayla.

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    3. As a mother, I really can't think of anything that either of my kids could do that my instinct wouldn't be to protect them. I am not saying it is the ethical, moral, or even legal thing to do but I would protect my child at any cost so I can see Phoebe lying for Justin and I can understand it. I also can understand being in denial and she may know but pretends not to know because it is easier for her. You also have to take into account that Phoebe had Justin for twenty something years and even if it was a dysfunctional household, she was the only parent and her adult children were living with her so I imagine they would all be pretty close. Phoebe would have to play the role of mother and father to the children, Ayla was only in Phoebe's life for twenty something days, is that enough time to form a bond where she would put her grandchild over Justin? If it were Gabby who "disappeared" I believe this case would have already been confessed to and a plea deal taken

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    4. I also think that Phoebe is in deep denial, as the rest of the family and friends. I don't believe she is an accomplice in all of this. What is also striking is that they refused to watch the slides, why ? Were they afraid of what they might see, of having to face truth ? Is this only the Tudelas who refused to watch it ?

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    5. Tori, I understand what you're saying, but murdering a baby? even if it was a stranger's baby, I don't think you'd help sweep that under the rug with a misguided notion it would somehow protect your child. Brooklynn's mom called 911, the mother of the 2 boys that killed the girl after stealing her bike, the mother of the boy in Colorado, and I'm sure others that I'm not thinking of, have all informed. On the C Anthony case, I think there must be some severe mental illness there, as with the Bain girls case.

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    6. Tori, I have to go along with Space.
      I'm a mother and grandmother, and I understand protecting your child. I've been told by my children, and others that I'm over protective. I disagree with that notion, of course.

      Like Phoebe, I'd support by child 100%. That doesn't mean that I'd help one of them cover up a murder. Not even an accidental death of a child, or anyone. . I wouldn't be protecting them if I did that.
      I'd be leaving them to deal with all kinds of horrible consequences. They'd be living in torment. Not only from LE, the public, more so within themselves.
      That wouldn't be protecting my child in any way.

      I'm looking at this from the outside though, and I don't know Phoebe. I don't know the relationships between her and her children. They do seem to be a very close family from what I can gather. I'd say yes, Phoebe loves her children and is a protective mother.

      As Penny pointed out below, yes people do lie to protect loved ones, who have commited crimes. Well, what they think is protection.
      I don't get that sense with Phoebe. I think she is sincere in believing that Justin didn't harm Ayla.
      Of course I could be way off.

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    7. I don't know about covering up for a murder, I may not actually help in the cover up but I would probably not call the police myself to report my child. I guess I wouldn't know what I would do unless put in that situation but I would also hope I raised my children well enough that they themselves would make the right choices and never put me in a position to have to cover for them about something as big as murder.

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    8. Really?! I would call them on my kid if I knew s/he did something that serious. Some things I would deal with myself (like if I found drugs or some minor stolen items of some kind), but if, for instance, my son took off driving drunk, I wouldn't think twice about calling the cops. We're talking about lives here. If I knew, or even thought, my child murdered someone, I would *definitely* report it. Would it be hard as hell? Yup. But it would be the right thing to do.

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    9. Jessica Ridgeway's murderer's mother reported him to the plice

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    10. TORI:
      You say: "I really can't think of anything that either of my kids could do that my instinct wouldn't be to protect them."
      You are a good mother. Your children are of an age that they wouldn't do anything that your protection wouldn't be justified. They are children. Not adults. You have a conscience. If you were in the situation that one of your adult children committed a crime/murder, I think you are a person, who would at the very least, try to convince them to turn themselves in.

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    11. TORI: "If it were Gabby who "disappeared" I believe this case would have already been confessed to and a plea deal taken"

      Exactly.

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    12. You make a good point Jazzie, one I overlooked. My kids are practically babies still. Things would be different if they were adults and that is how I should look at this because Justin,, Elisha, and Courtney are adults. Thank you. I would try to get them to turn themselves in and would even go with them and probably hire an attorney for them but for me to pick up the phone and call? I don't know if I could do that

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    13. I can't imagine being in a position of a mother conflicted out of love/protection to your adult child and grappling with a conscience/moral compass that guides you to do the right thing. I would hope in the end, as difficult and painful as it may be, the conscionable decision outweighs protecting your adult child, especially if their crime was committed against a child.

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    14. TORI:
      "I would also hope I raised my children well enough that they themselves would make the right choices and never put me in a position to have to cover for them about something as big as murder."

      Another good point.

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    15. Tori, I agree that it's probably in part that you and your children are so young that you can't imagine a situation with them that you would call the police to report. When they are out doing things on their own, and you have no control over what they do, if you know they are a danger to themselves or others it will be an automatic choice to protect them, and others, by calling authorities.

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  17. The reason police is not bringing both of them is that the blood was found on Justin's shoes and car and room and house, not in Trista's. I don't think they have any reason to suspect Trista. From Mc Causland's statements, he's showed himself more supportive of Trista than Jusin.

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    1. Exactly, Bonnie.

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  18. Katie, I can understand where you are coming from. But one family is lying to all of us and it's pretty easy to see which family that is. The "evidence" that is known, tells us who is lying. The LE has told us something things, that the people in that house have not been totally upfront about what happened, that Ayla is most likely not alive and that no kidnapping took place. I believe Trista's blood evidence, and yes, I am going to call it evidence. She's talking, Justin is not. That in itself tells me who is lying and hiding.

    I pray the truth all comes out and pray for all those who have supported and enabled a liar. It's going to be a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people. Hopeful, wishful thinking is one thing, but all of us are being lied to by the people who committed this crime against Ayla.

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  19. Just because police have not ruled a person out, does not mean that the police are sure that person isn't guilty. It may only mean that they do not wish to tip their hand at this point. By ruling someone out, it tells those who are not ruled out where the police are looking. The police have many reasons why they do or do not do something. It's not always plain for those on the outside to understand. So trying to make sense of what the police have said, not said, done or not done doesn't always work. Only they know why and it doesn't have to make sense to us.

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  20. Looking At The FactsSeptember 30, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    So which is it traces or more than a cup full?

    But Trista says police investigators have told her they found traces of Ayla's blood in DiPietro's house. She's frustrated no one has been arrested.

    http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/7070-mothers-crusade-to-solve-missing-baby-case

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    1. "So which is it traces or more than a cup full?"

      I believe that it has been implied to mean that the total amount of Ayla's blood found at the DiPietro residence was about a cupful. Whether it was a cupful of blood or less than that, I am curious to know what amount--in your opinion--would justify the transport of a twenty month old baby to an emergency room after such blood loss? While I have read different anecdotal accounts on blogs--since the first report of blood loss was made available to the public--of what blood would be normally found in one's home, wouldn't most parents properly clean and disinfect blood drippings if their child suffered a bloody nose or cut? I mean, I myself have four children, (four to seventeen years old), and I could not imagine leaving blood spots in various places in my home. Goodness forbid one of my shoes had my four year old child's blood on it. I just find it a stretch of the imagination hat one would deliberately leave a substance, or overlook the cleaning up of a substance, that comes under the classification of "bodily fluids" just lingering about in random places throughout their home. That is part of the reason why I believe that Ayla's blood loss was the result of severe injury, and a hasty, sloppy, subsequent clean-up was performed by just Justin himself. I also take into account that little Ayla was only staying in Phoebe DiPietro's home for a mere fifty-nine days; that is a pretty short window of time for a baby's blood to be found in various places throughout the home. To the best of my knowledge, Phoebe, Justin, Elisha, and/or Courtney have never offered an explanation for Ayla's blood being found in Phoebe's home. Does that concern you, maybe a little bit? Just curious.

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    2. The more than a cupful statement from Jeff was made at the beginning of the investigation, they had not processed all the evidence at the time, so I believe they found more traces. I agree with you Rose, the clean up was extremely sloppy. I think that Justin may have acted alone and done the clean up alone. I also ponder why Courtney's car was parked behind Justin's car. He went to buy wine that night, was it before Courtney arrived ? Maybe when Courtney arrived Ayla was already dead and gone and Justin told Courtney that she was in bed, he went to the wine store as an excuse while also getting rid of Ayla. Then he told everybody that Ayla was sleeping and lied to Courtney and his sister.

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  21. It was traces of her blood all over the house and car equaling to over a cupful indicating probable death for a toddler that size.

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    1. "all over the house and car" ??

      In the basement, on a bed in the basement, on a shoe, on a tote, all in the basement.
      On a dolls face, found in Ayla's bedroom. On a couch in the living room.
      This does not suggest to me. "All over the house".

      All over the car?
      A few drops on the strap of Ayla's carseat.

      Looking, there has been so many instances of the media getting it wrong, I've lost count. .

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    2. I should have added, or whoever is providing the information to the media.

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    3. You forgot on the basment floor, the walls, a wooden pallet. And Trista DID NOT see ALL the evidence, remember???? She stopped the slideshow that showed the blood found by luminol, we dont know where it was...............doorway, shed, barhroom, kitchen????

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    4. Oh yes, thank you, I forgot the pallet.
      I didn't forget the basement floor or walls, they are in the basement, ..yes?
      I don't believe it is a fair statement to say that blood was found "all over the house".
      Correct, we do not know where any luminol glow was located.

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    5. Good God! The hoops that people jump through, here, to believe that Ayla is alive. Or, is it the lengths people will go to, to protect and absolve the DiPietros from any blame in this horrific "accident" in their house? (If one of them finally confesses, it will be just an "accident" with ensuing panic.)

      Trista said to Phoebe at the courthouse, " I'm her mother". To which Phoebe replied incomprehensibly" Then, believe she's alive and tell us where she is!"

      Huh?

      If she thinks Trista took her and hid Ayla, why does Phoebe want Trista to believe Ayla is alive? Makes zero sense.

      Of course, Trista would know that Ayla is alive, if she hid her or knows where she is. So why does Phoebe tell her to believe? Oh, wait. Trista or someone in her employ killed Ayla and the poor baby bled throughout the house with vomit and saliva as accompaniment.

      And this all happened when Trista's surrogate cat burglar stole Ayla from the house? Wow, I'll bet Trista was annoyed that her stand-in hurt Ayla...and even put her in Justin's bed and in his car. Lousy job of abduction.

      Phoebe cannot, now, or has ever been able to keep her act straight. Probably that's why everyone found it convenient for Phoebe to be out overnight on a date night on that "normal" Friday night. With the boyfriend or girlfriend. So special!

      And if some of you do not think a grandmother can lie for her own child, even when her chlld has murderd her grandchild, then you are incredibly naive and have not followed any other crime cases involving "missing" children. As even stated by a couple of you.

      Shall we, for only one, mention Cindy Anthony the Great Prevaricator, manipulator of evidence, accuser of innocent people and just down home perjurer in her supposedly beloved granddaughter, Caylee's hoirrific death?

      Anyone remember Cindy's mantra? "Caylee is alive! Eveybody get off your asses and look for her. (Out there, far away from here.)

      Mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, aunts and uncles lie for their relatives who have committed crimes. Just plain fact.

      It's too hard to read here. I do respect the posters who probably have thir mouths agape like mine, yet manage to be so civil. Nice work!


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    6. Oh look, it's a less-than-two-cent opinion! Stand back because she's about to come bursting through your wall of resistance like the Kool-aid man!

      You would be wise to get with the program and quit nurturing those kind hearts you all have. The gestapo can smell that kind of weakness and will crush you under their boot heels. Didn't you read the sign at the gate? Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here!

      Free thought is for suckers-you've already been told what to think. Why won't you just conform, damnit? Resistance is futile.

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    7. If it so hard to read here Penny, then why do you?
      You not only read, you comment. If I'm one that causes you such distress, I'm sorry. You might try skipping by my comments.

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    8. "And if some of you do not think a grandmother can lie for her own child, even when her chlld has murderd her grandchild, then you are incredibly naive and have not followed any other crime cases involving "missing" children. As even stated by a couple of you."

      Another example would be Terri Horman. Terri Horman has been living with her adoptive, elderly parents (both retired teachers) since July of 2010. Granted, Terri is Kyron's stepmother, but supposedly Terri's parents considered him their grandchild. Just sayin'.

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    9. Anonymous 1, where is Penny's comment? Sorry, I am just confused by your comment referencing Penny.

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    10. If the person commented under Anonymous, why assume that it is someone else? Obviously, they prefer to be anonymous.

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    11. Rose City, !0:05,

      You're right.
      I should have addressed my comment to Anonymous @ 3:04 am.

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  22. I do not know what happened to Ayla,

    Or who is responsible.

    I do believe if Trista's account of the evidence was grossly inaccurate or exaggerated, McCausland would have issued a VERY strong statement challenging Trista's statements.. How can the spokesman for The Department of Public Safety allow such damning evidence to be publically aired against the DiPietros and Courtney and not cry foul if it was inaccurate?

    I've taken a backseat on commenting. I will await word from MSP.

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    1. Plan on getting a few more grey hairs waiting

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    2. I full well understand your position McKee.

      It's hard for me to believe that MSP hasn't or won't make some sort of comment about it. Even though I have always felt that Ayla is alive, I hope and pray you are right.

      Ayla could still use your voice though, when and where youfeel it appropriate.
      I shall miss your input. I've always respected your thoughts, insight and humor.
      I told you once that were my daughter missing, I'd want you speaking for her. I meant that. Still do, no matter your position.

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    3. Mckee I thought the same thing until I remembered McCauslands statement.
      We will neither confirm nor deny anything Trista Reynolds says. To me that gave them freedom to say what they want with no worry of anyone crying foul from LE.

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    4. I keep quitting because of anger and frustration then her picture keeps coming to my mind Don't Give Up On Me. Then I'm back for more, I apologize and go on.

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    5. Mckeekitty, I agree that the MSP would have refuted it if Trista's release was inaccurate. Even Phoebe didn't dispute the blood evidence.

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    6. "Even Phoebe didn't dispute the blood evidence"

      No Rose City she hasn't. I don't know though if she has read "The Case For Ayla". The statement that she did make to the MS. was before "The Case For Ayla" was revealed. In those first few TV interviews Trista didn't reveal all that is in the Case For Ayla. .

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    7. Anonymous 1, I would be very surprised if Phoebe, Justin, Elisha, and Courtney were not all very much aware of everything Trista has revealed via the media outlets, "The Case for Ayla", etc. Also, prior to "The Case for Ayla", it was already revealed by Trista that blood was found in Justin's shoes, in his vehicle, and elsewhere. I guess what I am trying to say is that there was already plenty of information revealed by Trista for Phoebe to dispute from the first television interviews.

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    8. Yeah, you're probably right Rose City. Were I one of them I would have made it a priority to read "The Case For Ayla" as soon as I could.

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    9. "I told you once that were my daughter missing, I'd want you speaking for her. I meant that. Still do, no matter your position."
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      You have no idea how much these words mean to me, A1. Thank you.

      LE will neither confirm nor deny Trista's assertions of the evidence photos. Hell, LE won't even confirm or deny that Alex and Alex's mom viewed the photos, Why? Is that an "investigative detail."

      Did Alex and his mother actually see these pictures? If so, why aren't they speaking out on the evidence they viewed? I can understand Trista needing emotional support during the meeting with investigators, but why would investigators share such graphic and sensitive evidence with Alex's mom ? Why not Jeff, Becca, Jessica, Ron, Amanda...someone who actually knew and loved Ayla?

      Why won't Alex and his mom speak out and corroborate Trista's account of the evidence? Why not do so as a gesture of support that Trista's account is accurate?

      McCausland's statements regarding the January 3 meeting are scant. But there is clearly no indication of others viewing the evidence except Trista.

      God..."Alex and His Mom" sounds like the name of a lousy garage band.






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    10. At least there is one person who is speaking for her daughter.

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    11. McCausland said, "Trista has a right to say whatever she feels is appropriate, and we're not going to criticize her for that. No one in Maine would put themselves in Trista Reynolds' shoes."
      I think that tells a lot about what Mc Causland feels. Trista has not always been on very good terms with her family. Perhaps at that time she felt that the father of her future baby would be the best support ? Maybe she felt close to his mother too ? Maybe LE told her that she needed to go with people who would best support her, and her boyfriend and his mother were the people she felt would best support her. I have the feeling that LE doesn't care that people view the evidence, they just can't release it to the public themselves. They have signaled how they feel towards the people in the house and what they think of their theory of the kidnapping. Alex and his mom may never have met Ayla before. At least Trista has guts.

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    12. I understand and respect your take on this issue, Bonnie.

      As an aside, I enjoy your occasional posts. You are good about reporting when the posts reach the 200 mark...I can't read them beyond 200, so I appreciate you alerting the admins!

      I sense, too, that you have an open mind.

      Honesty...I just can't come to a position on this case, Bonnie.

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    13. Thank you McKeety, I also appreciate your input. I used to believe Trista or a member of her family took Ayla at the beginning, I thought that as she had filed for papers right before, and given that she is emotionally unstable and had problems and she had contradictory statements, she was not certain of having custody of Ayla. That was the most hopeful outcome, because that meant Ayla was not injured or dead, but safe with someone else. But LE's statements, Mc Causland's statements, the blood, even if the exact amount or location has not been revealed directly by LE, but by Trista, all this gradually led me to believe Justin was responsible for Ayla's disappearance. Nothing LE has said, or implied points the other direction.

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    14. "But LE's statements, Mc Causland's statements, the blood, even if the exact amount or location has not been revealed directly by LE, but by Trista, all this gradually led me to believe Justin was responsible for Ayla's disappearance. Nothing LE has said, or implied points the other direction."

      Bonnie, I agree with you. I waver back and forth between whether Ayla died as the result of an accidental tumble down the basement stairs, (hence the early references to the baby gate), or whether it was the result of an extremely violent outburst of rage at the hands of Justin. I believe that it is highly probable that Justin was informed that Trista had filed for "Parental Rights and Responsibilities" just prior to Ayla's "disappearance". I have a question: Do you recall whether it was determined to be absolute fact--and not just simple speculation--that there wasn't any rainfall on the day/evening when Justin claims to have fallen on Ayla's arm? That "rainy night" statement by Justin has always bothered me in light of other inconsistencies related to Ayla's disappearance.

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    15. I think I can help with the rain on the evening that Ayla's arm injury happened.
      We know that Ayla went to the ER in the morning, on the 12th of Nov.
      So the arm injury happened on the evening of Nov. 11.
      I did check the forcast for Waterville on Nov. 11th. It did rain. I can't remember the amount. It didn't specify a time during the day or evening.
      You can check @ weatherunderground.com

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    16. Weather History for Waterville, ME

      Friday, November 11, 2011 Precipitation
      Precipitation 0.13 in - - ()

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    17. Thank you, Anonymous 1 for the information. Well, in Portland, Oregon .13 inches (about a tenth of an inch) is considered a mere sprinkle, but that is to be expected in the Pacific Northwest. It would be interesting to know if it actually rained the evening of Ayla's arm injury, but we will probably never know for sure. Thanks, again.

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    18. I lived only a few streets away from Justin when Ayla went missing and if I recall correctly, it did rain a lot around the time Justin claimed he fell with Ayla. It also was unusually cold out and there was a lot of black ice covering the ground.

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    19. Speaking of weather, we are now in a power outage as of 9:53 pm PST. According to Oortland General Electric, 2676 customers are affected. I am commenting from my cell phone. :(

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    20. Meant 'Portland'.

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    21. That stinks. Hopefully power will be restored soon. When we were living out in the woods we would lose the power often and just recently we had a bad rain and wind storm and three trees all on different parts of the road fell down onto power lines and the power was out for two days. We went and stayed in a motel in the next town because we were so bored lol

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  23. http://bangordailynews.com/2013/09/23/news/mid-maine/mother-of-missing-toddler-ayla-reynolds-prepares-release-of-information-related-to-daughters-disappearance/

    Stephen McCausland, a spokesman for the Maine Department of Public Safety, confirmed Monday that the meeting between Reynolds and detectives took place but would not comment on what Reynolds was shown nor the version of evidence she released Monday.

    “We have no reaction to her releasing this,” said McCausland, who added that investigators have seen the document generated by Reynolds and her family. “We’re not going to confirm or refute anything that has been published on a website.”

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    1. Steve McCausland: “We’re not going to confirm or refute anything that has been published on a website.”
      http://bangordailynews.com/2013/09/23/news/mid-maine/mother-of-missing-toddler-ayla-reynolds-prepares-release-of-information-related-to-daughters-disappearance/

      Smart move.

      Steve McCausland: "We will continue until we get the answers we need, especially the answer to the question, where is little Ayla?” McCausland said during a press conference at the Forum...
      “The investigation is not going to close until we get the answers necessary. The big answer is, where is Ayla? We will work as long as it takes to get the answer to that question,” McCausland said. “We will never close this case until we get the answers. It will take as long as it takes to get those answers. We have a committed team. They’re in it for the long haul. We’re in it for Ayla.”
      http://bangordailynews.com/2012/12/14/news/mid-maine/police-vow-commitment-to-solving-ayla-reynolds-disappearance/

      I believe this to be true.

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    2. "I believe this to be true"

      I do as well. I think I have more faith in MSP, than some people in Maine do..

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    3. I do have faith in MSP and I live in CT. I have watched the videos/press conferences and read their media releases. I watch and listen to them closely. They have knowledge and they are determined. I only hope that their resolution to bring justice for Ayla is not met with contempt by others.

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  24. http://www.maine.gov/tools/whatsnew/index.php?topic=state_police_unsolved&id=605022&v=Article-missing

    Nene_please

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  25. Maybe its just me. But Trista's release seemed to include a little too much detail for me to be able to consider it inaccurate. She didn't just say they found blood in just very vague spots. The detail tells a lot to me. It's just too much to be wrong.

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    1. Something definitely happened in the house and Aylas blood was found there. The only one I heard saying it looked like a murder scene was Trista,LE never said that. In fact they have said more than a small cut would produce period. A cup full is the Reynolds family statement also not LE. Sorry I don't trust either side of the family at this point. LE is bound to release something at some point I will make my decision then. Until that time she may be alive.

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    2. I'm not going to say that the evidence revealed is inaccurate. I can't and won't say that.
      What I will say is that I have issues with it.
      Because it is not in Trista, or Alex, or his mother's words.

      These 3 persons gave their recollections to Jeff. He shared the recollections with many others. ( As was revealed several days ago)
      Several of these others then took Trista, Alex, and his mother's recollections, and crafted "The Case For Ayla".
      This information went from Trista, .. to Jeff, ..to .I don't know how many others, ..and was rewritten, and reworded.

      So yes, I have issues with it.

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    3. I learned a long time ago in following this case, to just trust what LE reveals.

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    4. Trista said the same thins when she was interviewed before her press conference. I don't see that much differed from what Jeff initially said.

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  26. This is basically why I'm saying it's time for LE to give us all an update on this case.

    MSP doesn't have confirm or deny any of Trista's info. But they (MSP) can let go of some info that will have no bearing on the case if (ever) tried.

    I think it would help the public they serve to better understand what they have been doing to solve this case - amongst other things.

    I understand they can't share a lot but this complete stop to ANY info released is a bit over the top.

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  27. I truly believe that Justin killed Ayla before anyone else arrived at the house. When Elisha arrived home with Gabby he reassured her that he cleaned up. He called his mother and she set up a reason for her not to be home. When Courtney arrived with her son, she was told it was an accident and felt sorry for Justin and that was when a plan came into play. The 3 came up with a plan to say it was an abduction and sit on it all night. Elisha never put Gabby in that bedroom and keep her in her room so that way it would seem she did check on Ayla when she went to get Gabby so the police would think someone seen Ayla during the night. Also there was no reason for Elisha to run down the stairs saying Ayla was missing because Justin could have gotten her during the night but that was part of their plan. Courtney loved Justin and had no real bond with Ayla so she would go along with anything he said. He had already called Derek and told him of his plan because he needed support from his best friend and had told him it was an accident. He called momma and said the plan was in motion. He called 911, hung up and they called back. When the police arrived he was in the bathroom locked in because he was scared this would not fan out as plan. He wanted to blame Trista but opt to go with abduction because he was hoping if she was found the police would blame it on someone else. When he was shown the first pictures last year of the blood luminol pictures he ran ot of the police station knowing they did not believe his story. When they showed him again in October, the slides, he had already convicted himself without a body they would not touch him. As for Courtney, she now has the fear of charges to after the fact and losing her son so why would she talk? Yes she s a mother and her son is number one to her not Ayla, especialy since she is no longer with Justin and sees what he is capable of doing. Without someone speaking I fear there with be no arrest. The police had a chance maybe at one time of other charges but were hoping fro someone to come forward first. Seeing the MSP put Ayla missing on their website reinsures me that they know that she died in that house and someone needs to find her for charges to go in place. I am afraid now Justin will walk free. His plan may have worked but can all of them take people staring them down knowing more of the facts now. Was the slides really showing that much blood or just droplets. Justin may have others believing they are droplets and "no big deal". I really believe everyone besides Justin is after the fact and that is why there are no arrest. I think when Ayla is found then the mothers will maybe talk. They will feel sorry for Justin up to that point but when they say they have a body then lets pray that the mother side of them kicks in. We all have our believes and I believe Justin thinks he has won.

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    1. I really don't know about that. I think Ayla died before Courtney and Elisha came home. He may have told them she was sleeping, and placed her body back in the bedroom, or in the shed. What I ponder about is the fact that Courtney's car was parked behind Justin's, they found Ayla's blood in Justin's car. And the cleaning up was so sloppy that I still think that he may have acted alone, got rid of Ayla's body before Courtney arrived, the fact that Courtney's car was behind his tells me that he used his car to carry Ayla before Courtney arrived, except if he took Courtney's car to park it behind his at night.

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    2. No one will be talking in that houehold because they all have much to hide, maybe blood on their hands as well as Justin.

      It will take someone out of direct blame for either Ayla's death and the hiding of her body, to bring down the house. Someone who feels for the DiPietros, knows much of the story, and develops some kind of a conscience especially when seing how they are all throwing Trista under the bus! Maybe someone like the Tudelas who are selling their house, and especially Darrel who no longer seems to be a SA agent. (According to Ayla's Facebook report staing "formerly a State Farm Agent". Makes you wonder.

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    3. http://www.statefarm.com/agent/US/ME/Winslow/Darrell-Tudela-63BMV1YS000

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  28. do you think the Tudela's will pack up and move out of Dodge..to another state?

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    1. I'd give something to know why they are all so silent. Shouldn't Derek be trashiing Trista , as he has done online, and asserting that Justin is "a pretty decent guy"?

      I'll bet Justin sold Derekl a pretty package of goods about how Trista captured him and forced him to impregnate her so she could get her hooks into him forever. Looks like it may have worked; Trista is evidently not going away.

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  29. I am wondering that, too, Anon 9:11. I don't know if Heidi could maintain a daycare while in the process of selling the house in which it's located, so I wonder if she closed that as well.

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  30. Looks as if the DiPietros caused a domino effect with their friends. If, indeed, it is true that the Tudelas are selling their house and Mr. Tudela, and I presume, Derek too, are no longer SA agents. Derek was an agent in his father's office. His wife was a partner in Heidi Tudelas's day care.

    And the walls came tumbling down?

    I wonder if they (Tudelas) all refueed to look at the photos of the blood because they believed the abduction story and didn't want to see how they were possibly used.
    They called in the troops, including Angela Harry, to defend the indefensible, as it now seems.

    What is Derek's role in this whole thing? The Tudelas, it would seem, do not move in the same social circles as Phoebe. Justin's boyhood friendship with Derek seems to be the only social link between the two families that we have heard. I mean does Heidi routinely go out clubbing with Phoebe? Do they both belong to the Junior League?

    I can see taking an interest in my son's boyhood friend's predicament, but to go all out for Justin on his word only that Ayla was abducted, and then put your life and careers at risk when LE, in three forms, says there ws no abduction? Seems a bit much to do for an old school pal of your son's unless that son did something foolish and maybe helped to clean up what he was told was an accident. No greater love, huh?

    Of course, none of it may be true about the Tudelas as stated on Ayla's Facebook page. They may be going on as usual.

    Courtney had been said to have also refused to look at the photos. I don't blame her. She and Ayden, after all ,slept in the basement with the blood around. As if that fact alone would not give you pause, and then have to look at photos of it showing by luminol? Too much. That is, if she did refuse to view the photos. And if she and Ayden did sleep in that basement rom on that night. Not so sure about that.

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    1. Darrell is still a SF agent. Derek is a licensed representative that works for his father. Neither of them have left State Farm at this point in time. The rumor mill has failed again.

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    3. Personal attacks against other commenters are not tolerated, period!

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    4. Real estate ad for the Tudela house:

      http://www.zillow.com/homes/186-North-Reynolds-Rd-Winslow_rb/)



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  31. "rom" should be "room, natch.

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