Friday, August 16, 2013

Something I do not want to do


One thing I do not want to do is cause people to doubt LE's ability to collect evidence in this case. I do think it is fair to say they are human and make mistakes. Local agencies such as police departments for one reason or another discard things that they don't think will be needed only to find out later they destroyed valuable evidence. I don't think anyone here wants this to be what happens with Aylas case, I am only pointing out it could be a possibility, and could delay the Justice we seek for Ayla.
We need to be aware that defense attorney's are going to pull out all stops to win the case for their client.They will zero in on anything they can use to cause doubt of their clients guilt. They will attack any piece of evidence if they think there is a chance it can be thrown out.
The prosecution on the other hand will have to do everything by the book, and prove beyond the shadow of a doubt all their evidence was obtained legally and flawlessly to obtain a conviction. Certainly if they have to prosecute this case without finding Ayla it will make their job that much more difficult.
They can get a conviction using many pieces of circumstantial evidence and DNA evidence, so let's pray they have not had any of it discarded or tainted. I commented the other day of a case in Lewiston the defense attorney had started by attacking evidence and how it was handled along with testing. We were all surprised at what we read about things that happened with some of the evidence. I read the Lewiston Daily Sun every day as I was born and raised near there, and only moved away 5 years ago. I remember this case when it happened. The prosecution is still to be heard from in this case and I anxiously await their rebuttal. The prosecution should win this case because the victim survived the attack. This is the link to it I will let you read for yourselves.

 http://www.sunjournal.com/news/city/2011/12/15/lewiston-stabbing-victim-healing-suspect-goes-court/1128393  


If Ayla was not kidnapped by a stranger, or family member because of custody dispute, then she is deceased.
I for one want the strongest air tight case possible for a conviction in Aylas case she deserves nothing less.
That being said please give me the benefit of the doubt if I comment about mistakes police and other law enforcement agents make. It is only to point out what we along with Ayla are up against.
In my opinion and I pray you will agree, Ayla is the only main concern here, Ayla along with Justice for Ayla comes above everyone else involved.

                          As in the picture Ayla is still waiting for Justice!

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  1. Looking At The FactsAugust 16, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    Dana

    I totally agree with what you have stated. I am exhausted( I watched the 2 Grand babies all day today) and on my way to bed but will definitely expand on this post tomorrow as I have a few things to say that go along with this post

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    1. Grand babies can run you down, I totally understand. Have a good rest.

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  2. Dana, I am not sure what point you are trying to make with this blog.

    On this site, you seem to indicate that you don't know what happened to Ayla, and, most of the time, you seem to think she may still be alive.

    On U4A, you seem to agree with the others, that Ayla is dead.

    Why the "I am sure they will win the case as I hadn't told you the other part of the story yet."? This is not a suspense novel!

    signed:getrealpeople

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  3. I am still holding out hope that Ayla is alive. There is a possibility she is not. At U4A they know I am clinging to the hope she is alive, but it does no good to argue one way or the other. This case in Lewiston is the one I was saying I hadn't told the whole story. I read it when it happened and the girl stabbed told reporters who stabbed her. I read this week the way the Defense team was going after the blood evidence, and the way it was collected. The Lewiston police dept has made mistakes and I only wanted people to be aware of what a defense attorney will try to do if Ayla is deceased. The Naomi Swift case has two eye witnesses that say this guy did it. Can you imagine what they will do if they don't find Ayla? U4A has every right to their opinion as I do mine. They respect my stance and I have learned to respect theirs. No game playing here.

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    1. When I commented about this case the other day I had not gone back through the archives to find when it first happened. That is why I provided you with the link so you could read it for yourself. That is why I did this post so you could get the whole picture. I guess I shouldn't say I am sure they will win and get a conviction though. I suppose someone could be lying, but I would think the victim would know who stabbed her.

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    2. Dana - Although we differ in our opinions sometimes, I respect your opinion and your right to it. I also respect all you do to keep Ayla from being forgotten.

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    3. Hey Dana, I was not being rude to you, I promise you that! I just have a hard time following you sometimes!

      I also try to keep my comments short and to the point. I really hate long comments and tend to scroll pass them!

      Please do not think I was being rude or mean. I certainly didn't mean it that way. I respect your opinion!

      signed:getrealpeople

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    4. Getrealpeople

      Would I accomplish creating more awareness for Ayla by continually fighting with John about his opinion? I use to jump all over everything he said and get mad and say cutting remarks. The only thing I accomplished was every comment I made had to go through moderation and sometimes even edited. Since I stopped stepped back and said hey he may not agree with me, but he doesn't have to I don't have to agree 100% with him. I have become friends with a few people on U4A and realize they only really want justice that is the main thing. I don't know if the evidence the go public will change my theory of what happened to Ayla or not.I hope I have answered your question, I sure typed enough.

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    5. I know you wasn't get real I wish I could have kept my answer shorter.lol

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    6. Dana, We posted at the exact same time! I promise you I did not have any ill-intent towards you with my comment.

      signed:getrealpeople

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    7. Thank you Dana :) Maybe I need to make my comments longer (to explain my thoughts better)!

      signed:getrealpeople

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    8. I know I just take along time to explain. I don't think anyone here has ill intent but I see where you were coming from. Any replies were not meant to sound as I was upset or that you were either.

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    9. @ Dana

      :)

      signed:getrealpeople

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    10. Dee thank you Dee I respect your opinion and all you do for Ayla.

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    11. Getrealpeople
      I should have said no novel writing here, not no game playing.

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    12. It is always good to hold out hope, when a conclusion is unknown. But I do believe there is much more real evidence and circumstantial evidence that indicates that she is more likely deceased. And although keeping ones eyes open for an alive Ayla is good, this case would move along faster if pressure were put on the three in that home the night of the "supposed kidnapping", to TELL THE TRUTH. They know what happened to Ayla and they are keeping secrets.

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    13. Dana, about whether the evidence going public will change your or anyone's opinion, this is what I think. No matter what the details, we already know from what Jeff has posted it is mostly blood evidence. Those who insist nothing is real unless LE says it are not going to accept anything released Sept. 24 unless LE issues a statement in response to what the family says, acknowledging the evidence. Those who trust the family and believe they are acting in good faith will believe the evidence is described more or less accurately, given no one's memory is perfect, but also given no one is going to look at 30-40 slides of their own baby's blood and get it all wrong.

      I wonder if it makes sense for the people following this case to contact LE to say the public wants verification of the Reynolds family release, once it is released. If there is a baby killer not in jail, the public needs to know. If not, knowing some sort of accident happened would relieve people's concern. The police may feel by saying there was no kidnapping and Ayla is most likely dead there's no need for concern about a kidnapper or expending effort to find a living Ayla. If that's the case, experience on these blogs suggests the entire public did not get the message and it needs to be spelled out more definitively.

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    14. It would make sense to me to have LE flooded with request not for only verification, but to get this case sewed up so tight no one can squirm free. If they know Ayla is deceased then just come out and say it.

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    15. Anon too
      I agree the only thing is LE are the only ones that can apply the pressure needed. What we say on blogs anyone can just turn a deaf ear to or not even read. I am sure LE is doing all they can and applying all they can to get people to talk. If the $ 30,000 didn't loosen any tongues, and time hasn't it gives me hope Ayla is still alive.

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    16. I agree with Dana.
      At this point the only ones who can effectively apply pressure to whoever may be guilty is LE. I'm also sure, if they know, or even think they know, they have, and are giving that their best effort.
      Nothing written on a blog is going to pressure whoever into confessing.

      *IF* one of the three in the home that night are guilty, or even all of them. I doubt they even read these blogs. IF they do, I don't believe it is going to effect what they do at this point.

      *IF* they are not guilty, I hope they do not read these blogs...for their own well being.

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  4. Did I say I really like that picture of Ayla. I think I did, I thought I did. I DO!. Along with the meaning that Jeff put to it.
    May the light at the end of the tunnel be SOON.

    This is a thought- provoking post Dana.
    I look forward to reading the responses.
    In the end we all want justice for Ayla.


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    1. You have said it and I love the picture too.

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    2. Anonymous 1, Dana B; It did take a few hours (with the new Photoshop) to get it right.. It was my intension to create hope, in the mist of despair.

      Unfortunately, it "haunted" Trista, as it now does with me.

      but thank you for your thoughts on it.

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    3. Okay, I was going to keep my mouth shut, but after Jeff's comment...

      I agree with Trista, it is haunting. I have never liked that picture. It only shows despair, a dark, dreary, foggy night, with a child all alone. The child only resembles Ayla, it could be any child. There is no tunnel of light, only a street lamp glowing in the fog.

      Anyway, only my interpretation. To me, it never created hope.

      signed:getrealpeople

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    4. I like it and as I said in the post she is sitting there waiting for justice. I think it has to go with what you post.

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    5. Oh Dana, I love you too (I mean it, it's not sarcastic)! Thank you, but:).. I think if it showed that she would be looking at the light, instead of looking away and looking down. A lot of people have expressed how beautiful this picture is, since it was released, I have always found it just the opposite, dark and dreary with no hope.

      LE really needs to tell us something!!!

      signed:getrealpeople

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    6. I agree it is sad, to me its like she is just sitting there waiting patiently for someone to come get her and bring her home.

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  5. Does anyone know if accessory after the fact in felony murder has a statute of limitation in Maine code or is it a parallel felony and to the crime and treated as unrestricted with no statute of limits?



    An accessory to a crime is any individual who knowingly and voluntarily participates in the commission of a crime. An accessory is not typically present at the scene of the crime, but contributes to the success of the crime before or after the fact. A person charged as an accessory to a crime before the fact is one who incites, abets, or aids a person in the commission of a criminal act. An individual who is an accessory after the fact receives, shelters, comforts, relieves, or assists a felon after the crime has been committed. A person can be an accessory if they provide any support or assistance, whether financially, emotionally, or factually.

    http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/accessory.html

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    1. See, this has been my question since early on. I can understand that they may not have all of their ducks in a row yet to charge them with murder/manslaughter/kidnapping etc. How is it NOT a crime to withhold evidence and information from the police? Wouldn't that be considered an obstruction of justice at the very least? The police have openly stated that they believe that they know far more than they are admitting to, which is obviously impeding their ability to figure out where Ayla is. How is THAT not a crime?

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    2. Anon 8:32pm.

      The police have never openly stated, "they believe that they know far more than they are admitting to". Whatever McCausland says they "believe" is not anything that "they" can know for a fact. You have to have some evidence to back it up, you can't just "think" something!

      What kind of a judicial system would we have if the police decided you weren't telling you the truth and locked you up for it. They are not mind readers!

      signed:getrealpeople

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  6. Law or not, I hope that everyone who committed this crime against Ayla and who kept the secret go to jail for a long, long time. The only person I will give credit to is the one who is FIRST to tell the truth about the crime against Ayla. And they better hurry up.

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  7. OT but may be helpful.

    What are the criteria for issuing AMBER Alerts?

    Each state AMBER Alert plan has its own criteria for issuing AMBER Alerts. The PROTECT Act, passed in 2003, which established the role of AMBER Alert Coordinator within the Department of Justice (DOJ), calls for DOJ to issue minimum standards or guidelines for AMBER Alerts that states can adopt voluntarily. DOJ's guidance on criteria for issuing AMBER Alerts is:

    Law enforcement must confirm that an abduction has taken place
    The child is at risk of serious injury or death
    There is sufficient descriptive information of child, captor, or captor's vehicle to issue an alert
    The child must be 17 years old or younger
    It is recommended that immediate entry of AMBER Alert data be entered in FBI's National Crime Information Center. Text information describing the circumstances surrounding the abduction of the child should be entered, and the case flagged as Child Abduction.

    Most state's guidelines adhere closely to DOJ's recommended guidelines.

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    1. Here's a piece from an article about Ayla that mentions amber alerts.

      "An Amber Alert, which lets the public know about an abducted child, wasn't declared, and no manhunt is under way. State police say the case didn't fit the criteria for an Amber Alert because Ayla was reported missing about 12 hours after being last seen, and there was no vehicle and no suspect."

      Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/21/search-intensifies-for-missing-maine-girl-ayla-reynolds/#ixzz2cF4GwrVx

      signed:getrealpeople

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    2. I remember the article. I don't really understand why there wasn't one on Joslyn Retamozzo, 7, and Joel Retamozzo, 6.

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    3. I agree, that case fits all the basic criteria.

      signed:getrealpeople

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    4. I guess the person that was supervising the visit waited more than 3 hours before reporting it. I don't think if someone was suppose to meet me at a playground I would wait more than 3 hours before I said something. They shouldn't have let her take the children in her car to begin with. Not very good supervision I bet they wish they had that decision to make over.

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    5. Yes, somebody supervising a visit should not wait 3, or more, hours before reporting it to someone! Why are they there supervising the visit?!

      You may be right with the time it's reported, but I think they are wrong if that is the case. They said the children may be in danger, and they have a description of the children, mother and vehicle. They should of put out an amber alert, somebody may have spotted them somewhere.

      This just makes me wonder more about Maine LE's competency.

      signed:getrealpeople

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    6. I'm glad that you wrote this, Dana. about the Amber Alert system. I asked you to do this on the previous postings. Some were outraged that an Amber Alert was not issued in Ayla's case. (It is all an LE conspiracy!)

      Because the DiPietros did not check on Ayla to see that she was okay and not missing for either ten or twelve hours (depending on which story one reads)her case did not qualify as an AA. Also no transit car for the kidnapped Ayla was spotted. Just a run of bad luck when her case didn't fit the AA rules! Not an LE or Ambert Alert conpiracy, after all. Whew!

      All I can say is, that must have been a household of "sleep-in" toddlers. Both Ayden and Gabby...sound sleepers for ten or twelve hours! What lucky parents!

      Of course, each of the remaining toddlers in the house...i.e.the non-kidnapped toddlers...were sleeping with their mumsies. Ayla's mother, not present.

      Oh, wait! Unless she's the kidnapper who inadvertently spilled some of Ayla's blood as she scuttled Ayla into a waiting vehicle.


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    7. By golly Anonymous 3:34, I think you have it.
      Trista cut Ayla to produce that awful more than a small cut produce blood. then sprinkled it around so that Justin would look guilty of harming Ayla and such.
      What a brilliant idea.

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    8. One thing which is puzzling is how did Trista find the time to leave the blood traces? Well, she is a crafty and devious schemer! Put nothing past this woman! She sneaked into the room where Justin and CR slept and smeared her menstral blood on the sheets, didn't she? She is certainly capable of finding a way to put Ayla's blood in different places in the house.

      Signed: Getacluepeople

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  8. It makes no sense...

    Retamozzo is permitted to pick up her children for a SUPERVISED visit????

    Retamozzo and her children are a no-show for the supervised visit???

    At least three hours pass before action is taken???

    We know the make, model and plate number of the vehicle. We have a description/photos of the children and the abductor. We know that the children may be in DANGER. We know Retamozzo may be in or on route to New York or Florida.

    So...just what IS the criteria for Maine police to issue an Amber Alert????

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  9. Thank you mckeekitty!

    I was just looking over my last post, and Dana's and caught that. If you're supervising a visit how can someone be 3 hours late getting the children back!!!

    Yet, no amber alert???

    signed:getrealpeople

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    1. Massey said there was no Amber Alert, an emergency response system that sends out information on missing children, because activation requires that the alert be issued within three hours of filing the missing person's report and knowledge that the missing person is in danger.

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    2. I don't get the "3 hour" part. They have already said the children may be in danger. Why can't they issue an amber alert if say, it's been 4 or 5 hours, or longer? Makes no sense to me.

      They are splitting hairs here. Oh, it's been 3 hours and 15 minutes since the children were abducted, sorry we can't issue an amber alert!

      Massey and McCausland always have an answer ready, don't they? Then they never say anything on the subject again.

      I don't get it.

      signed:getrealpeople

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    3. Especially since they WERE specifically looking for a certain vehicle and person. It was no different than an Amber Alert would've been....it just would've gotten tge information out to the public more efficiently and effectively. It makes no sense whatsoever.

      As far as the supervised visits. ..it may have been that she was allowed to take them out for a bit unsupervised. They do that with parents who are working on getting their child (ren) back. She did have custodial rights to one other child, so I'm betting that she was working toward full recovery of custody.

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      also, this is all my opinion. I'm not stating it as fact.

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    5. So she probably ruined the chances of it happening anytime soon.

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    6. Hello Michelle :) I agree with your statement, and yours Dana (not the way to go to get full custody).

      signed:getrealpeople

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  10. It would be good to know if the grandmother was the one supervising the visit. That would maybe explain why they waited so long for her to show up with the children.

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    1. I never considered that, Dana.

      Was the custodial grandmother also the court-appointed supervisor?



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    2. "Was the custodial grandmother also the court-appointed supervisor? "

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      That seems to be the logical answer doesn't it? How else could the mother leave with her children? The "supervisor" of the visit should of been there! Makes sense if the person supervising was the mother's mother? She trusted her daughter to take the kids somewhere and be back at specified time. So, she was not actually present and supervising the visit.

      I didn't know people supervising visits with children could be relatives. This may be the case in Maine. Sounds like something to look into.

      signed:getrealpeople

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    3. I've seen reference to the grandmother being the children's legal guardian - but nowhere have I seen a clear reference to who was the responsible party for supervising the visitations.

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  11. Dana, When are you going to tell us "the other part of the story"?

    signed:getrealpeople

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  12. GetRealPeople I love you. The first part of the story is the link.

    http://www.sunjournal.com/news/city/2011/12/15/lewiston-stabbing-victim-healing-suspect-goes-court/1128393

    This goes with the part I commented about the Lewiston police taking evidence and the defendants attorney raking them all over the coals for not doing it right. The thing is the woman that was stabbed and another woman visiting her identified the defendant as the man that stabbed her. It had nothing to do with Ayla only the way defense attorneys will stop at nothing to try to get their client off.
    I pray LE did not make mistakes getting evidence in Aylas case if they do not find her before they prosecute.

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    1. Thanks Dana, I should of read the blog again before I posted. I think I'm going back and forth between too many cases. LOL

      signed:getrealpeople

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  13. I meant as a friend getrealpeople because I consider you a friend in this fight for Ayla. I am so sorry I confused you with my writing it was not intended. if I can help explain it better let me know.I went back last night and edited the post and hoped if you reread it it would clear it up.

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  14. I'm sure GRP knew exactly how you meant it, Dana. I'm fond of all who are willing to keep an open mind while assessing Ayla's case.

    Ayla deserves truth and facts.

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  15. Thanks mckee grp is strong for finding out what happened to Ayla and wanting Justice. I like the way grp speaks her mind.

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    1. I was reading about supervised visits, and what the judge likes the people to do. Is to submit two or three names of people each, then the two parties decide on who they can agree to have do the supervision. It can be friend, family or someone outside the family they both like for the job.

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  16. On this somber 20th month, my thoughts for Ayla.

    Ayla,

    I pray every day, every night,
    That soon you'll be found,
    There is an end to your plight.

    I pray you'll soon be returned,
    reunited with your loving parents,
    So desperately for you they've yearned.

    Precious memories they'll never part,
    Happy smiles and dancing feet,
    Always locked in their thoughts and heart.

    It may be a day, a week, a year, or ten,
    Heartfelt love for you will never end,
    Sweet, beautiful Ayla, on that you can depend.

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    1. Wow!

      A post I'm sure we can all agree on!

      Thank you, Anonymous1.

      That was really beautiful.

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    2. Thank you McKee

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  17. OT: Retamozzo and her children have been found in South Carolina.

    http://www.live5news.com/story/23165555/troopers-arrest-mom-who-took-children-from-maine-home

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    1. Very pleased everyone including the mother were alright.

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    2. Yes, thanks for the link McKee.
      A good outcome.

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  18. I agree with you mckeekitty, Dana, and Anon 1. I am glad everyone is safe and well.

    Not to be judgmental, but I still wonder the reasoning why an amber alert was not issued? "Senior Trooper Bridget Wyant said troopers arrested 34-year-old Bethmarie Retamozzo around 10:12 p.m. after a be-on-the-look-out was issued for a 1999 Nissan Quest with a New York tag." Have any of you ever heard of a " be-on-the-look-out"? Need to go look it up, I guess! Why is S. Carolina issuing alerts, and not Maine? This woman made it from Maine to South Carolina!

    signed:getrealpeople

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    1. It's commonly known as a BOLO.

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    2. Maine basically has one north south highway, with very few "signs" on it. All other roads are more rural, with no signs. Amber alert in Maine, doesn't work nearly as well as it does in other states with better highway coverage. Amber alerts do most good when they can be flashed on signs on the highways, were the likelihood of the offender and their vehicle is greater.

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    3. I disagree. Flashing signs on highways is the least effective. Amber Alerts are on news stations and radio stations, they interrupt stations with the alert. Many people also get them immediately on their cell phones.

      signed:getrealpeople

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  19. Lee said- in talking about Justin suing Trista about releasing the blood evidence.
    "You have a point. I know if that was inaccurately said about my missing daughter’s blood found in my house I would be demanding a public retraction with legal action threatened if it was not received! Who wouldn’t?"

    ...I wouldn't.
    If MSP confirms it, of course I wouldn't.
    If MSP does NOT confirm it, I wouldn't.
    If I had any kind of doubts that MSP could have told this to Trista, there is no way I'd say anything, or think of suing her.
    I'd have to figure that they had very good reason for telling her this.
    The same with the cup full of blood.
    I'd not want to jeopardize whatever lead them to do this.

    If I knew I was innocent of wrongdoing, I'd have nothing to worry about. Nor would I take the risk of jeopardizing the case of finding my missing daughter.
    MSP can say whatever they want to either Trista or Justin. This is a missing child case, and is STILL being investigated. There is no disclosure law as of yet.

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    1. I don't know I would like to think that I would just let it go. What do you gain by suing Trista, what does she have? People are going to say things and think what they want. I mean how many people would be sued for calling him a murderer on the blogs? If you even could. The truth will come out eventually, he will either receive apologies, suspicion, or a conviction.

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    2. You're right Dana, ..and that is the very simple truth.

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  20. Answers 4 Ayla--
    And John, Anthony was born last Tuesday.. 8lbs 6ozs.

    ...Congratulations to Trista & family.

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  21. do you want a new post to see if we can get some discussion going?

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    1. Sure.

      You're the greatest Dana.

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