Thursday, July 4, 2013

What is Normal?

What would you consider as normal behavior if your child was to go missing?
What do you think your reaction would be if you failed the lie detector test?
What if no matter what you did or said you felt you were getting nowhere?
What would you say to LE if you felt they were giving up and only looking at you as the suspect?

1. Total panic, fear for my child, desperation, and self blame.
2. I would not believe it, something was wrong with the machine, the administer made a mistake reading it.
3. Desperation for answers, why aren't the authorities listening to what I say.
4. Your wrong, and not doing your job. Is there someone I can go to over your head.   Where and who do I turn to that will listen?



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  1. Such hard questions to ponder if never placed in that scenario, and thankfully I never have been and hopefully never will be but if I were to be...

    1. Panic would probably set in first then desperation and finally depression. I am sure it would take years, if not my whole lifetime for me to move past that hurdle

    2. I would demand a retest, I also would lose all faith and trust in LE

    3 and 4. I would at that point attempt to take matters into my own hands. I would also consult an attorney.



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    1. The one thing I thought on the lie detector test would any parent pass it. I mean your nerves have to be shot just dealing with the missing child. So would the normal be to not pass? If you were responsible for the child being missing and as calm and uncaring as can be could you pass it?

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  2. IMO lie detectors are b.s. and no one should take them. However suspicion did not turn on Justin solely because of a lie detector test and maybe only minimally because of it. Suspicion turned on Justin because of his own words and actions-

    * he reported a baby missing from his house when her blood was on the floor by his bed, something we don't know but can infer from the circumstances he chose not to mention to police
    * his words were arrogant and condescending to police and a public worried about a missing baby
    * there's no indication he and those with him searched outside their house for Ayla in the neighborhood or beyond, yet he waited the better part of an hour between the time he supposedly discovered her missing and reported her missing
    * he and his comrades gave discrepant versions of when Ayla was last seen and what was going on prior to her reported disappearance

    Given these events, it makes sense the police would suspect him or someone in that house. Given the physical evidence, which the police knew early on did not support a break-in, who else are they going to suspect? With Justin implying he knows things but won't tell and such, the police undoubtedly see a personality profile that supports the conclusions they've reached.

    The lie detector information by itself doesn't mean much. But in the big picture, it supports a pattern that is established by a lot of behaviors and words that didn't happen in the polygraph room.

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    1. I think the reason people do take them they want to be eliminated as soon as possible as a suspect. If you did nothing wrong you think I will pass it and take it. The thing is we need to keep working on bringing Ayla home.

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  3. I am very uncomfortable with this business of gauging what constitutes a "normal" response from a parent of a missing child.

    Still waiting on the trip to Machiasport post...

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    1. I agree I don't think there is a gauge for normal under these kind of conditions. Then who is qualified to decide normal in these cases? A judge, a lawyer, a priest, society?

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    2. "Then who is qualified to decide normal in these cases?"
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      Well, John P of course!!!!!!

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    3. There appears to be many experts in this case. They seem to know exactly how they'd react if their child was missing, which gives them perfect insight into why Justin's reaction determines his guilt. As said above, I don't like this business of constituting what's normal in regards to reactions. Everyone is different. I, personally, relate to Justin's reaction moreso than Trista's. I'm quiet, withdrawn, and really do not like the limelight at all. I *imagine* I'd be more like Justin in his shoes, but I can't honestly say for sure unless I was actually (God forbid) *in* his shoes.

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    4. What is the machiasport post?

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    5. Michelle, it might be hard to fathom how you would react in the long run facing this day after day after day but in the short run, many parents have had scares where their toddlers disappeared from their sight for a short time and they know how they did react. Do you know any parents whose toddlers wandered off who didn't panic and run around calling out the child's name, asking everyone around if they saw the missing baby? It's human nature to do certain things in certain situations and while some variation does exist, Justin's behavior was outside the boundaries of normalcy if Ayla's whereabouts were really unknown to him.

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    6. "Do you know any parents whose toddlers wandered off who didn't panic and run around calling out the child's name, asking everyone around if they saw the missing baby?"
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      Please tell me where it was reported that the DiPietos did nothing in those first hours.

      Phoebe feared her sons would bash down doors in search for Ayla.

      I believe her.

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    7. Actually, I have lost a child for a short time. Inwardly, I was freaking out, but I remained calm on the exterior. I actually had a riduculous amount of emotions during that 2 hours if you must know. Scenarios ran through my head in all directions. You really don't know what it's like until you experience it. Even now, years later, I have a hard time expressing what I went through. ..and never without shedding tears.

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    8. Trista said something to the effect Justin feared she or someone may come and take Ayla from him. So after searching the house and feeling she could not have gotten out alone, he could have figured she was taken by Trista.

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    9. Reynolds, Ayla's maternal grandfather, invited the officer inside and the conversation quickly turned disconcerting.

      "He asked me where my granddaughter was," Reynolds recalled. "I said, 'Well, Ayla is in Waterville with her father.'"

      Reynolds knew something wasn't right. His heart started pounding. He lashed out at the officer.

      "I said, 'What the (expletive) are you talking about?'"

      The officer told Reynolds that Ayla was missing.

      "That's when I fell to the ground and cried," he said.
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      Why would the officer ask Ron where Ayla was?

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    10. Not knowing what time it was when the officer was there, I would think Justin had reported to police he thought they may have taken Ayla.

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    11. According to the cited article, the officer arrived at Ron's at about 9:30 AM.

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    12. So that was after the 911 call. Logical deduction Justin told police he thought Trista had Ayla, They checked with Ron because we know Trista was not at the motel. Justin may have even thought Trista was staying at Ron's. If this is the scenario Justin doesn't know where or who took Ayla. So what more can he tell LE?

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    13. The other explanation police may have checked with Ron as standard procedure. To rule out the possibility of Trista taking Ayla.

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    14. Where was Little Ray that morning?

      Robert is Trista's only alibi.

      He doesn't seem to have much to say.

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    15. Good question I don't remember anyone saying he was with the two of them. I suppose he could have been with Ron. Why hasn't Robert had anything to say that was picked up by the media? No one mentions him very much not even on the other site.

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    16. McKee asks

      "Why would the officer ask Ron where Ayla was?"

      Why would they not as part of (as Dana said) the standard protocol to interview the members of the family of the missing child. Justin did not however, have to accuse Trista of having Ayla, he could have simply said Ayla's mother is Trista Reynolds of Portland and protocol requires that LE interview the mother and her family if the mother and father of the missing child are no longer together. I would have been more concerned if they had not asked Ron!

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    17. Rose City, OregonJuly 10, 2013 at 2:17 AM

      Exactly, John. That would be normal protocol in the case of a missing child.

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  4. This article covers the Machiasport trip:

    http://www.kjonline.com/news/closer-look-at-cases-earliest-moments_2012-12-17.html?pagenum=full

    I have serious issues with this account. First, it took four months to even surface.

    Ron Sr. appears to have taken the news of Ayla's disappearance pretty hard. And yet neither he nor Robert Fortier saw fit to rouse Trista from her sleep to tell her that Ayla was missing.

    Not only that, but Ron instructed Robert to keep driving AWAY from Waterville until further notice.

    Frankly, I don't believe this account...at all. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

    I'm curious of what others think.

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    1. I recently did a post on that trip.

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  5. TRISTA REYNOLDS: The night that my daughter went missing, I was at The Maine Motel in South Portland.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1112/19/ng.01.html
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    This comment gave me the impression that Trista was at The Maine Motel when she learned Ayla was missing.

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    1. What?! An inconsistency in Trista's story? I'm sure it was completely innocent. It's such a minor detail, after all. Perhaps it was sloppy reporting on the newspaper's or Nancy Grace's part. It's not like what Justin said. Was there a sling or not, Justin?! Huh? HUH? Clearly, he's not to be trusted since he can't keep that major detail straight.

      Seriously though... the sling vs. no sling thing? It sounds like one of those things that the newspaper added. They get things like that wrong all. The. Time. They had some minor detail wrong when they ran a little blurb from the police report about my son being missing. They get little details about traffic accidents wrong almost every time, too. I don't understand why people get hung up on the sling thing.

      But the Maine Motel vs. driving to Machiasport? Oh, let's just let that one go. Makes perfect sense.......ahem.

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    2. The night that my daughter went missing, I was at The Maine Motel in South Portland.

      This comment gave me the impression that Trista was at The Maine Motel when she learned Ayla was missing.

      McKee, it is taken completely out of contaxt when the question asked is not included.

      Here is the full transcript with the question added.

      GRACE: OK. I`m going to go back to mommy. Trista Reynolds is with us, as well as her father, the grandfather, Ronald Reynolds. 20-month-old baby Ayla is missing. And let me tell you, no baby at 20 months that I know has ever slept through the whole night, 12 hours, without wanting a bottle or having a wet diap, right? So, I find that very, very odd.

      Trista, can you tell me, one of the callers asked why the dad had the baby to start with. I told them, as you heard, that you were briefly in rehab. You put yourself in rehab to get past some problems you had, but the night the baby goes missing, which is what I`m concerned, I don`t care what anybody did before that, where were you the night the baby goes missing, Trista?

      TIRSTA REYNOLDS: The night that my daughter went missing, I was at the Maine motel in South Portland.


      Trista is obvioulsy talking about the night of the 16th, not about when the 911 call was made the morning of the 17th and therefore your comment is very misleading to those that do not read.

      Michelle, there is no inconsistancies in this statement, though I know you want there to be. There is only a statement being taken out of context.

      Also, "questions to ponder" was incorrect on the prior post.Please view the prior post comments section, and you will see I posted a comment with a video link showing Massey talking about the sling and softcast. The media did not add any details not stated by LE.

      Dana, I tried as long as I could but there are just too many incorrect, inconsistant and out of context comments for me to just sit by and not say anything. I hope I have not offended you or placed you in a position of having to squalsh an outbreak with my comments today.

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    3. Personally I don't have any problems with your comments John, until you become agitated, aggravated and then you become argumentative and a tad condescending. I don't think it's so much what you say that's the problem, it's more how you say it. Maybe it's because you "speak" before you think....a good debate is healthy but when you get so worked up it causes you to spew and sputter and then you end up having a bad day, it's not good for your health. I find when I get that worked up over something discussed on these blogs, I try to step back, slow down and think before I "speak" and sometimes I even count to ten and re-read what has been said.....hope I'm not offending you :)

      Oaklandrez

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    4. No offense at all Oakland. I appreciate you talking to me as a person and not the leader of the pack from U4A. I can see where your advice is a smart approach and I do try, don't get me wrong, I know I fail in my attempts too often.

      I hope this does not offend you because there is none intended. Your comment here to me was respectful, courteous and wise with your advice. My comment before however dealt with keeping the facts of Ayla's case in the forefront. Michelle & Foil accuse me of saying my words are "All bout Ayla Bell Reynolds", but I make it about me with my reactions. For comments of this type, pointing out inconsistencies and errors, I often (too often ;) IMO) end up losing my cool because of comments such as thiers that I make it about me. I have never wanted it about me Oakland, only Ayla Bell. So I will try harder to control my "speaking" temper, I really am nothing like that in person but I do have a passion for Ayla that I sometimes let get the better of me.

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    5. John...Trista's comment gave me the impression she was at The Maine Motel when she learned that Ayla went missing.

      How is that misleading and out of context?

      Am I not permitted to have impressions?



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    6. "McKee, it is taken completely out of contaxt when the question asked is not included."

      McKee I never said you are not entitled to your impressions, quite the opposit. The way you posted the comment I can see how it can be "taken out of context" as I said in my comment. That is why I posted the question posed that Trista was responding to.

      Michelle was mislead by both the prior post about the sling, and your comment without the question posed, because she did not take the time to read the whole thing. If you read Michelle's comment directly below yours, you will see she is accusing Trista of yet another lie based solely on your comment and on "Questions to Ponders" posts. That is all I am saying, not that you are not entitled to an opinion or impression.

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    7. I don't know why I bother, John.

      Here...let me attempt to rectify the damage I created:

      NG: I don`t care what anybody did before that, where were you the night the baby goes missing, Trista?

      TR: The night that my daughter went missing, I was at the Maine motel in South Portland.
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      Trista's RESPONSE TO NANCY'S QUESTION gave me the impression she learned about Ayla's disappearance while at the motel.





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    8. Well I guess I am done. Oakland it was nice, but you see my presence alone creates the improper atmosphere for Ayla Bell discussions. I already explained why I made the comment, I already posted the full context, I already posted the information of the sling and still I have upset McKee by simply trying to correct an inconsistancy or put a comment in context.

      Dana, my apologies once again for trying to do the right thing for Ayla.

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    9. Just one thing if Trista was at the motel on the night of the 16th, what time did she leave on the morning of the 17th to go to Machaisport?

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    10. John I need no apology. I think this has opened some good discussion. If you have the answer to my last question it would help me a lot in understanding what went on. We are always going to ruffle feathers and get our feathers ruffled, but we can't let it stop us from doing what we feel is the right thing for Ayla.

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    11. Sorry Dana, I have searched every article I could find and did not see anywhere, where the departure time was stated outright. There were several speclative guesses ranging from 5 AM to 7:30 AM but I do not think that is what you are looking for. Wish I could help more to help in your understanding. Sadly I do not understand this point either.

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    12. Mckee, John...why the hell do you two get under each others skin so easily. It's open to interpretation. McKee - your interpretation is she is saying she was at the motel when she learned about Ayla being missing. My interpretation is more along the lines of Johns - that this is after the fact and she said she was at the motel when Ayla went missing because she was told Ayla disappeared in the middle of the night and that's where she was at that time. She was in the car at the moment she initially learned Ayla was missing.
      Agree to disagree on the point.

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    13. So little is said about it. I was just trying to establish a time line from when they left S Portland to where they were when they turned back to Waterville. I am sure you are aware of other rumors and I only wanted to eliminate them.

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    14. Looking At The FactsJuly 6, 2013 at 4:19 PM

      "McKee, it is taken completely out of context when the question asked is not included."

      John
      Let me ask you this question since you made the statement above. You have spent so much time trying to pull apart every statement said by Justin. Since every article written is an interview conducted by a reporter asking Justin questions and him answering and then the reporter picking an choosing what gets written in the article. Wouldn't you admit that then anything Justin is quoted as saying in an article could be taken out of context since they do not print the questions asked? I am not trying to be sarcastic I'm just of sick of the give Trista a pass and prosecute Justin way of thinking.

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    15. Trista was in Waterville when Ayla was reported missing.

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    16. Dee asks,

      Mckee, John...why the hell do you two get under each others skin so easily. It's open to interpretation.

      I can only saw I thought my disagreement with her comment was politely put out for discussion. Apparently I do not possess the words you do as your words did not create the stir mine did when we said the same thing essentially. To McKee, if my wording was incorrect I apologize, I was only trying to make a point that I obviously worded in a way to offend you.

      Looking at the facts, you question is a very good one and I can only say that we have the articles printed to go on for information. As an anon points out later, if the speaker is misquoted, then the speaker needs to correct it or we only have the words printed to go with. But your question is a good one.

      Anon 9:25, are you asking a question or making a statement that you somehow know is factual? Just asking, not trying to be confrontational.

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    17. It's a fact, according to Trista and Robert Fortier.

      Anon 9:25

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    18. Rose City, OregonJuly 10, 2013 at 2:47 AM

      McKeeKitty, I saw this post a few days late, but I don't quite understand why the statement: "The night that my daughter went missing, I was at The Maine Motel in South Portland" would imply that Trista was at The Maine Motel when she learned Ayla was missing. The statement was clearly an answer to Nancy Grace's question: "You put yourself in rehab to get past some problems you had, but the night the baby goes missing, which is what I`m concerned, I don`t care what anybody did before that, where were you the night the baby goes missing, Trista?" Note, Nacy Grace's use of the word 'night' twice, and her implication that Ayla disappeared sometime during the night. Trista's answer was quite obviously stated within the context of Nancy Grace's pointed questions. No disrespect to anyone, but John's response to you was perfectly respectful and justified, in my opinion. Granted, I have not read each and every comment, but I can understand why John responded to your comment in the manner he did. Peace.

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    19. Rose, I may be the only one on earth who got the impression that Trista learned Ayla went missing while at The Maine Motel.

      I never said it was implied. I never said Trista lied. Only that it was MY impression.

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    20. Mckee -- you are not the only one with that impression. It was a big discussion between myself and friends when the Machiasport trip came to light. At one point I was almost certain she said that she was at the Maine Motel with Jessica when police came to search the room. i looked and looked for that statement and I could not for the life of me find it in any transcript. But I could vividly remember it.

      Oh well.

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  6. "At about 10 a.m., Robert Fortier was nearing Ellsworth... when his phone rang...
    Ronnie Reynolds told Fortier to keep driving to Machiasport until there was more information. By the time they reached Ellsworth, Reynolds called again to say that a detective from Waterville wanted to speak to Trista Reynolds in person." (from article cited above)

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    It was only a short time between Ronnie telling them to keep on going until they had more info and telling them to come on back.

    Telling Fortier initially to keep going and not having him wake Trista immediately isn't necessarily the approach I would've taken but playing devil's advocate- Trista was an hour and a half away from W'ville and couldn't do anything to help immediately. Possibly they felt at that point either Ayla wandered off and would be found any minute or Justin was playing games and hiding her somewhere and would be caught up by the cops soon enough. I can see someone trying to be practical- Trista was emotionally vulnerable and also apparently very tired, why worry her unless and until they had a better sense of what was going on?

    As far as why it took four months for this account to become public, I would guess they wanted to avoid publicly embarrassing Trista by mentioning to the world at large her boyfriend was in prison. Assuming where she was going had no relevance to the case, why bring it up and cause her unnecessary discomfort when she was already suffering the pain of having a missing daughter?

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    1. Thanks...I like to hear the thoughts of others on this issue.

      I still struggle with the "let Trista sleep" angle. Her daughter is missing. That registers as an emergency to me. Sure...let her sleep. But turn the car around and head to Waterville.



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    3. People were talking about her incarcerated boyfriend from the get go. I doubt shame was the reason took four months.

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  7. Dana, you may be wrong about seeing new things with the same mindset. I just realized that Justin reported Ayla missing with a "sling" and a cast, but later in one of his interviews he said she "didn't have a sling or anything like that."

    Now why would he deliberately mislead police? This case is strange beyond strange.

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    1. I will agree I could be wrong about a lot of things. It is a strange case with what we have from LE it makes it stranger. Plus both sides being quiet doesn't help either. It is like ok lets just move on with our lives.

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    2. Dana, Is your "what is normal" question based on an innocent parent or guilty?
      there are two different kinds of normal then...i would believe!
      My normal as an innocent parent..would be moving heaven and earth to find my daughter..stepping over/under and on peoples toes to find her..no matter what...i know this would be my path...as i have been following this case from the beginning to seek justice for a sweet innocent baby girl that i have never met. So if my child were missing ,yes, i can say i know what i would do, and intimidation by anyone would never be a factor in the pursuit of my child!

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    3. Anonymous @ 6:44, guilt or innocence is one factor. But you're forgetting personality type, past experiences that affect reactions, insecurities, strengths. Obviously, personality plays a huge part.

      Did you ever stop to think that maybe Justin is quiet, and all of the horrible accusations have caused the guilt he already felt for not being in his daughter's life from birth to overwhelm him? Or maybe he figures you all would just think he was lying anyway, so why not just work behind the scenes like he is, doing what he feels may actually bring her back.

      Tell me...what do you think of Trista's smear campaign against Justin? And her eventual retreat from the media?

      Not everyone can put themselves out there. Have you ever noticed that when a couple makes a public plea for their child, one usually does most, if not all, of the talking? From the beginning, it was clear that Trista had no desire to work with Justin. Instead she did her best to deflect blame and guilt onto him. Why do you think that is?

      Just imagine if she had put aside her obvious dislike for him, and united with him for their daughter. Now *that* would've shown maturity and love for her daughter.

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    4. Michelle, that was a direct quote from Justin. If "they got it wrong", why didn't he request a correction? That's a pretty big thing to get wrong. Think about it.

      Justin reported what Ayla was wearing to the police. He knew she didn't have a cast or a sling, the doctor's reports prove it.

      He deliberately mislead the police from the beginning. Why?

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    5. Looking At The FactsJuly 6, 2013 at 10:01 PM

      You can also ask the same thing of Trista. She was very verbal and in the public eye at the beginning why did she not say Ayla had no sling. Justin did pick her up for every doctor's appointment.

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    6. No disrespect intended Looking, but the last time Trista saw Ayla was on Nov 21st at the doctor appointment you referenced. Recall though that the appointment on the 16th was not kept and Trista did not see Ayla that day. Therefore i do not believe that the same thing can be asked of Trista.

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    7. sorry Michelle..i just cant seem to buy what you are selling when it comes trying to find a child..that has gone missing under Justins watch..personality,emotions. pressure, shyness,weak, cowardness..all those emotions need to be set aside to try to find your own flesh and blood that you say was abducted from your own home!!!!
      As far as a smear campaign from Trista toward Justin...lets just say..Justin has gotten off pretty easy....imo!!!

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  8. Yes, it can, John. If Ayla didn't have to wear the sling anymore then that would have been said at the appointment Trista was at. She knew. Also, I'm not searching for a link right now, but the appointment for the 16th was rescheduled with a local Dr because her arm was basically healed and only needed the last appointment to end the whole ordeal. She was using the arm and taking the splint off herself at the time she went missing. Trista knew. She knows more than she let's on and makes up the majority of what she actually speaks. No defense here for Justin, just sick of the BS from both sides.

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    1. Tell Me More, I commented to Looking at the facts above that we only have the media and LE to base our perceptions on. What you are saying is based solely on he said / she said / you said. Unless you are in the know, you can not know that Trista was told at a doctors appoint almost a month prior, what Trista was told by JD 2-3 days prior, or anything of the kind for that matter. I do not recall seeing a link anywhere of a local doctor rescheduling the appointment nor a local doctor saying the sling was no longer needed, so if you could provide that I would appreciate it.

      I did post a link on the prior post Tell Me More, and in that video Massey specifically says "According to the father" Ayla "was" wearing a sling. I do not think you need to look for a link about her arm being healed or new doctors appointments as I do not think they exist. I hope you can prove me wrong. When I said the same could not be said for Trista as Justin in this particular point to Looking's question above, it was because it would have been more of the "BS from both sides" that you are so sick of.

      Basically what it comes down to Tell Me More, is your word that all of this is your first hand knowledge. Though I tend to think I know who you are based on prior comments from prior posts, unless you have first hand knowledge you can not possibly know any of what you said as factual. It is simply more of the he said /she said / you said. I agree that you are not defending Justin, because if Ayla's arm was as healed as you say and she no longer needed the sling anymore as you say, then Justin would not have told Massey that she did. Therefore, the original question from Anon 9:29 is even more pertinent than before "He deliberately mislead the police from the beginning. Why?"

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    2. Dana, sorry for the double post but I wanted to bring the link forward to this page so people could see that Chief Massey did report the sling as told to him by Ayla's father.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_m-6hTW8u0

      I do not understand why Trista was brought into this conversation as the last time Trista saw Ayla was Nov 21st at a doctor's appointment for the broken arm. How could Trista have known if Ayla was or was not still wearing the sling on Dec 17th? How could she have obfuscated the facts of the investigation when she had no way of knowing anything except waht was told to her. I am not attacking or chastising anyone Dana, and if my comment is misworded go ahead and delete it. I just want to understand.

      The original question from Anon 9:29 is even more pertinent than before, but has yet to be addressed by anyone. "He deliberately mislead the police from the beginning. Why?"

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    3. I think this question can and should be asked of Trista as well. If she attended both doctors appointments with Justin and Ayla as she claims, she knew full well that Ayla did not have a cast or a sling. Why did she not correct this, or bring it to attention?

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    4. Anon 8:45, where is it stated that Ayla did not have a cast? I am lost with this comment. It is well known Ayla had the cast, what is not known is was she "still" using the sling?

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    5. I stand corrected, Justin did say Ayla was not wearing a cast or sling in this Jan 07 article posted by MM on U4A.

      Here’s where he says she didn’t have a cast or sling. He also talks of her taking the splint off and using the arm but no mention of going to another doctor for the last visit.

      “”He looked over the X-rays, and said, ‘I don’t know what they told you initially, but this isn’t as bad as they said,’” Justin recalled. “They just put a splint on there with an Ace bandage. She didn’t even have a cast or a sling or anything like that.”

      DiPietro said Ayla’s arm was healing well in the days before she disappeared.

      “Her arm was to the point now, before all this happened, that she was lifting it up. She wasn’t bending it, but she would take (the splint) off sometimes, and she was getting to the point where she was starting to use that arm again,” he said.”

      http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/i-fell-on-herfather-says_2012-01-06.html?pagenum=2

      I can understand a splint with wrap being mistaken for a softcast, but there is a direct conflict on the use of the sling. Massey say Dec 18 that Justin state she was wearing the cast and sling. Now on Jan 7 Justin states to Ben that she was not?

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    6. Very good John, now follow that to its logical conclusion, Read the doctors reports on your own website. Trista knew Ayla never had a sling or cast. She was at the visits. Why didn't she report Justin's lie?

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    7. Anon, I have read the doctor reports, thank you though for the suggestion, and all three say that Ayla was wearing a splint, not a cast. Justin's account above actually says the same thing, a splint with bandage, which BTW sounds very much like a soft-cast to me based on the definition I read, but I am not versed in medical terminology and that is just my opinion. Also in my opinion, "BOTH" Justin and Trista, in the heat of the moment finding Ayla missing, could easily have mistakenly said cast instead of splint.

      The same logic you ask me to use however talls me also that Ayla did have a sling on the 21 Nov doctors visit (or IMO Trista would not have wanted Cynthia to include it on the LNM Flyers), and that by 17 Dec Trista did not know if the sling was still being used or not.

      Chief Massey reported on 18 Dec what "the father" reported Ayla as last wearing. Why would he include that if Justin had not told him that? Why would Justin tell him that if Ayla was no longer, "or ever was" as Justin said, using the sling?

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    8. In Justin's interview, he stated this (about Ayla's arm not being "that bad") was during Ayla's first doctor's visit with the specialist. If she was not wearing a sling during that time, why would she be wearing it in November? I do not follow your logic, although I do agree with you, Trista would know if she were wearing one on Nov. 21.

      If Ayla were wearing a sling on Nov. 21st, why then wouldn't Trista still reveal Justin's lie that she wasn't wearing one?

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    9. I'm going to suggest that Chief Massey made a mistake in saying that Ayla was wearing a sling.

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    10. Anon 1, I would agree if it were only Chief Massey that made the mistake. There were at least 4 missing child organizations reporting and creating fliers with mention of the sling. Chief Massey repeated it several times. Deputy Chief Rumsey said it once.

      We only have JD saying it 3 weeks later, that Ayla was not wearing a sling.

      Anon 10:20
      How is it that one comment from JD 3 weeks after the fact is now going to become fact above all else I mentioned? You have still showed no linked that supports "Trista knew Ayla never had a sling or cast." Quite the contrary. We are now expected to take your word that JD was truthful 3 weeks later and everyone else was wrong.

      I posted the link to show that even though JD stated "She didn’t even have a cast or a sling or anything like that" In the same paragraph he also stated “They just put a splint on there with an Ace bandage." Any google search will show that what JD descibed is refered to as a soft-cast splint or soft-cast metal splint depending on the material used to make the splint. Your jump to saying that based on the second sentence "Trista knew Ayla never had a sling or cast." Who is to say Trista did not see a splint with bandage and assume soft-cast.

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    11. Looking At The FactsJuly 8, 2013 at 2:48 PM

      John

      Read the ER report again. Look all the way at the bottom of page 4. Splint is check off and sling is not. She was not given a sling at the ER. Novemeber 14 doctor's appointment Tricia went to says placed in a splint in flexion says nothing about also adding a sling. Also the doctor appointment on the 21st the doctor notes say she basically healed this at this time and he expects to mobilize it in 10 days. So I would assume by the time she went missing she was basically using it at that time.

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    12. Imagine that... I was right.

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    13. "Anon 1, I would agree if it were only Chief Massey that made the mistake. There were at least 4 missing child organizations reporting and creating fliers with mention of the sling. Chief Massey repeated it several times. Deputy Chief Rumsey said it once."
      .......
      I wasn't aware that Chief Massey repeated it several times. I only know of the one time at the PC on Dec. 18th.
      I am aware that the first fliers made of Ayla included the information about a sling. That could be because they were using the information first reported by Chief Massey. ...Which was never corrected by LE, for whatever reason. Of which I would to know.
      Chief Massey also said at that PC that the arm injury happened 3 weeks prior. Which was inaccurate, as it was 5 weeks prior.
      In the first few days I think it's understandable that there would be some misinformation.

      I don't think Justin deliberately mislead LE concerning whether Ayla had or was using a sling at the time of her disappearance. Why would he? How would that help him?

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    14. Tell me moreJuly 8, 2013 at 9:59 PM
      Imagine that... I was right.

      You also say "Trista knew Ayla never had a sling or cast."

      I will say then and then I am done. There is no factual proof that Ayla "NEVER had a sling or cast", only JD's word on 3 Jan which he contradicts in the same statement by saying “They just put a splint on there with an Ace bandage." which is the definition of a soft-cast splint.

      Looking and Anon 1 have both provided viable possibilities as to the confussion. Kudoes for both of them for identifying these possibilities.

      But you are stating something as fact that has no viable proof other than your word and Justin's word well after the confussion was created, and that is all I have been saying. I don't know if she was or was not wearing it, but the discussion created by the question was fantastic for Ayla and I thank Looking and Anon 1 for participating in that discussion. That does not make anybody right or wrong, it is simply you stating what you want to believe as a fact, though it is not factual, it is your opinion. Why did you not write this on your FB page in the first few weeks? Don't bother answering I agree with Looking and Anon 1 with thier possibilities and when LE either verifies or refutes the wearing of a sling, then we will all know for fact. Until then it is still just another unanswered question about Ayla.

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    15. John, why don't you just ask your buddy Trista whether or not Ayla had a sling? Seems easy enough, and not a question that would harm her delicate sensibilities.

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  9. Maybe justin just figures we will call him a liar anyway? Is justin used to being called a liar, I mean before his daughter turned up missing? Why would he automatically assume people would call him a liar?

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  10. Trista said she is "now starting to wonder" who took care of Ayla during the time she lived with Justin. She suspects Phoebe DiPietro provided much of the childcare.

    When she called Justin to talk to Ayla, he would often tell her, "Oh, you'll have to call my mom. She has Ayla."

    http://news.yahoo.com/trista-reynolds-dhhs-blew-off-210200967.html
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    Has it ever been reported that Phoebe refused to put Ayla on the phone with Trista?

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    1. The only thing I can find reported with any consistency is that Trista did not speak with Ayla after Dec. 8, 2011. I can't find anywhere she says Phoebe specifically, just that she was not allowed to speak with Ayla.

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    2. There is a vast difference between being denied telephone contact and being told "Oh, you'll have to call my mom. She has Ayla."

      The former comes across as deliberately cruel and highly suspect.

      The latter comes across as reasonable.

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  11. I have some questions along the lines of "What is normal?" Only it's "What is healthy and productive?"

    1) Is it healthy for grown adults with lives and jobs to rehash anecdotal information, speculation mixed with second-hand facts ad nauseum for months, then years?

    2) Is the above productive in helping bring Ayla home, or finding out the truth?

    3) Is it healthy and normal that both Trista and Justin don't have some kind of public blog or space to talk about their daughter's disappearance? Trista's blog was Jeff's blog and I'm not convinced that Justin put Angela up to hers. Why is it that strangers to Ayla have essentially adopted her virtually as if she is their own and aren't giving up online when her own parents are essentially mum?

    4) Has anyone examined any ties between LE and the families to rule out any special treatment?

    5) Who oversees LE casework? To whom does MSP report?

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    1. Hey Foil, my friend!

      Actually, I think rehashing can be healthy and productive. You just have to cut through a mile of bullshit.

      Case in point: I didn't know Justin and Trista spoke on December 15...the very day Trista filed custody papers.

      "Concerned Anonymous" brought this tidbit to my attention on U4A.

      This detail wasn't posted on the original timeline.

      Hope you are well, Foil!

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    2. Hi Kitty. Thank you. I am very well. I finally finished a long term project. Now I have some more breathing room!

      Interesting detail, and I agree that there's a lot of b.s. to cut through. It's just that most of the cutting is being done with more b.s. Not saying that it's you or anyone in particular, but generally speaking that's mostly what I see at this point. I haven't seen any new angles or leads.

      But let's say everyone came up with one agreed-upon theory that seemed solid. OK, then what? Would that lead MSP to make an arrest?

      Also, I still want to know if anyone has investigated MSP for personal ties to either family. I don't know if anyone would know that, though. And that in itself bothers me. How do we know they are doing all they can?

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    3. Cynical of MSP, eh Foil?

      Me too.

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    4. Me three.
      kadoe

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    5. Kadoe anything new with your relatives tip . I did read where you said Phoeby removed Ayla. Just curious we don't have a lot of new info to go on.

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    6. Excellent questions Foil.

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    7. Derek Tudela's brother, Adam, has ties to the WPD. Adam is pursuing a career in criminal justice/law enforcement:

      http://www.waterville-me.gov/departments/police/content/1501/student-intern-program-2011.php

      Could this pose a conflict of interest in pursuing Ayla's case? I don't know. I tend to doubt it.

      But I do recall that questions were raised about the WPD in those critical early days.

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    8. Let's revisit their refusal to release the 9i1 transcript.

      Rumsey said the information in the 911 call constitutes "intelligence and investigative information," but added that people should not read anything into the decision to withhold it.

      Rather, Rumsey said, keeping the information confidential helps police determine the trustworthiness of tips and sources in the investigation.

      "If we know information hasn't been reported publicly, we can have a higher degree of confidence that the person we're talking to knows what they're talking about and isn't regurgitating what they've seen in the news or on a comment forum or on a blog," he said.

      Sigmund Schutz, counsel to MaineToday Media on media law, said Lee's reasoning is sound but the law compels police to offer a fuller explanation for their decision.

      "Generally, 911 transcripts are public records in Maine, and I think the burden is on the police to offer a more complete explanation of why they think the information would interfere with their investigation," Schutz said Wednesday.

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  12. What would you consider as normal behavior if your child was to go missing?
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    I can't say what is normal, who can?

    What do you think your reaction would be if you failed the lie detector test?
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    It would not surprise me. I wouldn't expect to pass a polygraph at such a time.

    What if no matter what you did or said you felt you were getting nowhere?
    .....see next question.
    What would you say to LE if you felt they were giving up and only looking at you as the suspect?
    .........
    I would hope that I'd never give up. I'd hire an attorney, hire a P.I., go above the agency dealing with my case.

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    1. telling it like it isJuly 8, 2013 at 12:15 AM

      As far as I'm concerned, neither Trista nor Justin is doing enough right now. There was a time when Trista was keeping Ayla in the news and Justin was hauling ass on awareness. There's only one way to describe them both now, they suck at being parents of a missing child. No matter what "normal" is, they're both being lazy and selfish as of now. Get off your selfish lazy asses and do something, Trista and Justin! We're all sick of doing more for your child than you! Put down the drink and the reefer, kids and pitch in a little!

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  13. Here's another lie by Justin (or Tori). Early in the investigation Trista said she reached out to Justin on the 15th to see if he was going to be coming into Portland for Ayla's doctors appointment. When he replied he wasn't, she filed for Parental Rights and Responsibilities.

    Why would Justin then turn around and tell his old roommates he missed the appointment due to a hangover? And when would he have made this statement? What time was the appointment scheduled for?

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    1. Looking At The FactsJuly 9, 2013 at 3:53 PM

      The whole hangover story was just that a story. The original post and I forget where it was first posted but it said Justin missed the appointment on the 12th because he was hung over. We now know there was no appointment on the 12. Ayla was at the doctor's on November 21 the notes say back in 10 days or so for another xray but the note at the bottom says it was scheduled for the 16 of December.

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    2. I certainly would not bet money that the hangover comment was accurate or not, I wrote based on what I was told but it was hearsay unless it was verified like the info about Justin being in Portland.

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    3. Looking At The FactsJuly 9, 2013 at 4:54 PM

      I agree Tori Back then people were just trying to find any piece of anything they could find that may help bring Ayla home. Many people wrote and said things that no one tried to verify. Now after all this time here we are trying to sort out facts from rumors from rumors now being said as fact. I appreciate being able to come here and sort this stuff out. I think we have all learned a lot over the last 18 months

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    4. I agree and was a big contributor of that, I worried more about having a quantity of articles to write instead of being sure about the quality of what I wrote. I am pleasantly surprised to see that many have realized that so many rumors were flying around previously and after awhile it got hard to differentiate between what was rumor and what was truth. I am glad we reopened this blog and so many have come back to it and am eternally grateful to Dana and Katie.

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    5. I'm having a difficult time believing anything that Trista has said. Sure...the inconsistencies in her various accounts might stem from bi-polar, the loss of Ayla, early recovery, etc.

      Still, it just feels "off" to me.

      It has always bothered me that Trista did not request a well-being check on Ayla from the WPD. If Trista was genuinely suspicious of the pulled leg muscle, bruising, the broken arm, denial of communication with Ayla, knowledge from Justin that he had no intention of keeping the December 16 doctor appointment, etc., why not just dispatch an officer to check on Ayla?

      Instead she took off the next morning to visit Ray in Machiasport.

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    6. Looking At The FactsJuly 9, 2013 at 8:30 PM

      I'm with you Mckee. I have so many problems with the timing of everything. Trista says Justin won't let her speak to Ayla since the 8th why wait until the 15th to file. Why not call for a welfare check. LE do them all the time. Why file on the 15th finally and then Ayla goes missing at some point the night before you are traveling to Machiasport. Why not use that ride to go visit Ayla. The timing has always bothered me along with the conflicting statements from Trista. First it was Justin and her had an agreement then it was he stole her from her sister and mother's care with the help of DHHS. Then it was i thought Ayla was safe with Justin then it was he was abusing her for months before he had custody of her. Sorry you can call any doctor or ER and ask them on the phone. My baby is limping after a visit with her dad. Not 1 doctor, nurse, or any medical personnel will say oh give it a week if it isn't better than have it checked. They will tell you we have to examine her before giving any advice. So to me that is just more bull from Trista. Then we had the Trista saying her and Justin were never in a relationship it was just a one night stand and there comes a story about an affair that went on behind Courtney's back. It is way more than just off IMO. My biggest issue is why give the agencies working with you making flyers a picture of your missing baby that shows those big goofy glasses covering half her face. Why not release a picture that shows all her features. Many pictures have been released showing her features since she has gone missing. Nothing is right here.

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    7. Good to see you and a few others from the "hood" posting here, Looking.

      Yeah...to everything you said.



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    8. Looking and McKee, you both ask very good questions about a well-being or welfare check. But I do recall that there is a write-up about Trista being blown off by DHHS on multiple attempts to communicate with them. I also read a comment on U4A where Trista claims that Justin said he was going to file the week prior. My question is, do we know if Justin claimed that he would file PR&R the week prior, do we for certain that a well-being check was not asked for, do we know for certain that a well-being check was not done as a result of the Drs. mandatory reporting of the pulled leg muscle and do we know for certain that Trista did not ask JD to come pick her up to visit Ayla?

      There are alot of unknowns in assuming that Trista did not at least try to request a visit or a well-being check through DHHS. As I have been told many times, if there is no open case, DHHS has no obligation to perform a well-being check, at least that is what I have been told each time I mention DHHS not doing a well being check.

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    9. If you feel your child is in danger, you call 911 and request a well-being check. If the child is deemed to be neglected, abused or otherwise endangered, LE immediately removes the child from the home (and likely will make arrests).

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    10. Was Trista worried about Ayla's well being?
      When did she start worrying about Ayla's well-being?

      Trista- "Justin thought that a lot,” said Reynolds. “He always thought that I would be the one to take her. I always wondered why he was so scared about that. Now that people are bringing it to my attention, I’m going back and saying, wait a minute. I never went to get her because I thought she was OK and well cared for.”

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    11. "I was wanting to maybe lash out about it a little bit, but that wasn't going to get me anywhere," she said. "It was amazing to have him by my side yesterday to support Ayla as her parents, as Mom and Dad."

      Read more: http://www.wmur.com/Police-Some-Blood-In-Home-Belongs-To-Ayla-Reynolds/-/9858568/11836210/-/q5hce7/-/index.html#ixzz2Yg9fE5wX
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      It is MY impression that this is an odd comment coming from Trista.

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    12. Trista contradicted herself consistently, IMO. In one breath she was accusing Justin of abusing Ayla then saying how happy she was he was standing by her side supporting her. He kept her from him but she didn't file for custody sooner because she thought it was good that they were bonding and she was safe..the list goes on.

      Chalk it up to being in shock or grief or being uneducated or having no common sense or being nervous on camera or even liking her new role of being in the media and having attention lavished on her, whatever the reason she has lied or said different things to different people at different times and is not reliable and IMO not trustworthy. Does it mean she is responsible or knows what happened to Ayla? I don't know but I certainly can't take what she says at face value.

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    13. ..." even liking her new role of being in the media and having attention lavished on her"

      I disagree ..I'm not commenting on the rest right now but this part of the comment bothers me more..JMO

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  14. New Post is up. Comments welcome here as well.

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  15. I don't know what "normal" behavior is, but I know how I would behave. I would be in front of every camera available, speak to every reporter I could find and hang posters all over town until my child was found. And I'm shy, introverted and definitely not comfortable speaking publicly, but I would speak to anyone and everyone who would listen to me.

    I certainly wouldn't hide behind woman who feel they can speak out for me. I'd speak myself. Of course, if I had something to hide (like a lie), I'd do what Justin Dipietro does.

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  16. Ah, the lovebirds have split!
    And Justin is arrested on assault charges -- grabbing and pushing Courtney on a Portland street. He is a stud!

    No fears, Justin didn't see a thing! According to him, nothing happened. He was just walking normally down the street "one foot in front of the other". Too bad Lance wasn't there to really give CR a whupping a la Justin Linnell.

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