Sunday, July 28, 2013

Parental Abduction-Plausible or Improbable? Part One

A few people who follow this blog have asked me to do a post on the possibility that Ayla was abducted by a family member or a family member acting on the parent's behalf. I will be honest in that I don't necessarily think Ayla was a victim of parental abduction so it is hard for me to write a post on this scenario but in order to be fair, I am writing a post about it. Over the past few months, I have pondered over many different scenarios regarding what happened to Ayla Reynolds and not all of them involve Justin or someone in the home harming Ayla but my gut instinctively tells me that what happened to Ayla was an accident that was covered up for whatever reason. Even though that is what I think happened to Ayla, I am open-minded enough to entertain other theories. This first part will focus more on why many people do not take LE's claim that they do not think an abduction took place and the second part will go more into statistics and plausibility.

Police who confirmed the discovery of blood from a missing toddler in the basement of her father's home said today they've found no evidence to support an abduction, and they believe adults in the home know more than what they're telling investigators.
Six weeks after Ayla Reynolds' disappearance in Waterville, state and local detectives believe the father, Justin DiPietro, and two other adults in the home on the night Ayla was last seen are not giving a full account of what happened, Steve McCausland, spokesman for the Maine Department of Public Safety.
The idea that someone sneaked into the small house and took Ayla without awakening any of the adults "doesn't pass the straight-face test," McCausland said.

At the time, LE released the info about Ayla's blood being found in the home, they claimed they did not THINK an abduction occurred and that no evidence found led them to believe an abduction had occurred. The majority of people following the case immediately ruled out the possibility of any abduction and many still believe it is possible despite what LE thinks. Some people choose to believe what LE believes and understandably so, so what makes the others not 100% confident in LE's assessment? 
I think that there are a couple factors as to why they don't buy everything LE is saying and not all of them have to do with those people being "Justin Defenders". Many of these people could care less one way or the other about Justin and have never met him or have any desire to meet him. 
  1. LE has released very little information regarding what they think happened to Ayla. They have not given a definitive response to date. It is always "We don't believe Ayla will be found alive" "We don't believe the three in the house are telling all they know" "We don't think an abduction occurred", Not once has LE said "The people in the house are lying" "Ayla is no longer alive" "We are certain Ayla was not kidnapped." If LE cannot be confident in their statements, how can those following the case be confident in what they say?
  2. Police have not ruled out nor named anyone a suspect of interest. If police were 100% sure that Ayla was not abducted why have they not at least ruled Trista out as a suspect? It is no surprise that many have asked LE to publicly announce that Trista is not a suspect and LE has flat out refused. During the 12/14/12 press conference, Ben McCanna specifically asked McCausland if he would rule out Trista as a suspect and McCausland said he would not do that. He went on to say that it is "too cumbersome" to do that and serves no purpose. I disagree. How can it be cumbersome to make a simple statement that Trista is not a suspect? It would serve a great purpose as far as lending credence to what Trista has released for information that she has gotten from MSP, it would also help to restore some people's faith in LE and that they have in fact progressed in Ayla's case.
  3. Many people feel that MSP has made little to no progress in Ayla's case. We are going on almost 2 years and Ayla has not been found and no one has been arrested. Many people do not feel confident in the abilities of Maine LE to handle a case of this magnitude. They feel that the main reason Ayla has not been found and that no arrests have been made is based on mistakes made during the most crucial stages of the investigation. One major factor is the fact that it took 6 days after Ayla was reported missing to seal off the house. As made evident in the case of Elizabeth Smart, it can take a mistake as small as a misspelled name to delay a missing child to be found and justice to be served. 
  4. The majority of information that has been released about the case has come mostly from Trista. LE has not backed up her claims and publicly stated they would not confirm or deny what she released for information. Many people do not look favorably at Trista. They feel she has not been 100% honest and has made statements they find concerning or suspect and therefore do not feel comfortable taking her sole word for the major developments in the case that the public has only heard from her and have not had any independent verification of this information. Trista, through Jeff, has released on the blogs that police have "unequivocal evidence" that Ayla is deceased but some wonder if police really have this damning evidence, why haven't there been any arrests made? Why does it seem LE is waiting to find Ayla before bringing charges if this evidence is really as persuasive as they claim? Wouldn't they be able to use an arrest and pending murder charge as leverage to find the whereabouts of Ayla's remains? Wouldn't that course of action speed up this already long overdue process in getting justice for Ayla?
  5.  There were at least three people confirmed to be in the home the night Ayla was reported to have gone missing many believe it is impossible for three people to keep silent about a secret this big and not change their stories once in almost two years. Two of the three people in the home were mothers of a young child and retain sole custody of their children. If the two mothers were involved, even just by having knowledge of what happened to Ayla, why wouldn't they tell police what they know rather than risk going to jail and losing their child? All three could not have had a hand in the actual deed of killing Ayla, it doesn't take three adults to murder a toddler. Elisha may have a loyalty to her brother Justin but wouldn't her loyalty to her child trump any brother/sister bond? Courtney is reportedly no longer with Justin so what would have stopped her at this point from going to police to save herself and her son? If Courtney was the perpetrator, what reason would Elisha have to protect her and vice versa?    
  6. The biggest hurdle those who believe Justin or someone in the house that night is guilty of harming Ayla is the presence of blood belonging to Ayla found in the house. They believe that means Ayla is gone but MSP never commented on the amount of blood that information came from Trista. Police only stated that the discovery of blood was troubling. Of course it would be troubling, blood of a toddler who disappeared from her home was found in her home but the presence of blood may not be anything more than a cut foot or a gash on the forehead. Until LE releases how much blood was found, those who believe Ayla could have been abducted will look at the announcement of Ayla's blood being found as nothing more than a childhood injury that resulted in Ayla losing an amount of blood that was more than a drop and required a clean up. MSP also never concluded that all of the blood found did belong to Ayla and by not releasing that information it can and has been viewed by some as a premature release of information and a refusal to admit their mistake and set the record straight. If all of the blood was Ayla's, why not release that information since they had already announced at least some of her blood was found? What would the damage be by clarifying now that all testing MUST be concluded at the lab? 
   If you take the above reasons into consideration, it is easy to see why some people still believe after all of this time that there is a possibility that Ayla was abducted either by a parent or some unknown perpetrator and are not sold on the fact that Ayla died in the home that night at the hands of either her father, her aunt, or her father's girlfriend. In the next post I will go over the statistics and whether or not it is likely that an abduction, parental or otherwise, could have not only happened but continued to go on for almost two years without detection. It isn't impossible but what are the odds? There are children who were abducted and not found for many years only to learn that they were being held only miles from their hometowns but not many children who have been abducted from inside their actual homes.

94 comments:

  1. Great post Tori, you always give me plenty to think about. Sharing, Ty!

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    1. Thanks Laurie, that was my goal, to at least get people thinking and look at someone else's perspective so we can end all of this bickering back and forth and have some tolerance for what someone else believes.

      They way I see it, it doesn't matter what any one of us think happened to Ayla, not one of us will be on the jury nor will have the responsibility of apprehending the person who did this to Ayla so each person that shows up to the blogs every day to talk about her and keep her in their prayers and thoughts are no better or no less of a person who believes she was murdered or who believes she was abducted. No one deserves to sit on their high horse and attacked others because everyone who is here equally cares for Ayla.

      I am glad you are still such a strong voice and advocate for Ayla. The amount of hours you have put in and the money and energy should be commended especially after all you went through and you are still here doing this at any cost. I have much respect and admiration for you.

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    2. It doesn't really matter where any of us look, or what any of us think. The only thing that matters is what really happened and where Ayla is right now. There are adults out there that know this information. They are lying to everyone around them and hiding the truth. They have everyone running in circles with possibilities when they know. No scenario, no what ifs, no suppositions is going to help Ayla. The truth is the only thing that will end this. If this crime wasn't perpetrated by gutless, heartless and cruel human beings, we would all know the truth right now. Sadly, there is some real evil in our world and they walk amongst us.

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    3. Looking At The FactsJuly 28, 2013 at 9:45 PM

      It doesn't really matter where any of us look, or what any of us think

      I beg to differ. It does matter only for this reason, if you think Ayla is dead then are you really looking for an alive Ayla? No matter how you feel for this beautiful little girl are you really looking into the eyes of every child that could be her age and size when you go to the store or where ever if you think she is dead. I choose to believe she is alive somewhere so i look at ever child no matter where i am. The only thing I can think of anyone that is trying to convince Ayla is dead is trying to stop people from looking for an alive Ayla

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    4. "The only thing I can think of anyone that is trying to convince Ayla is dead is trying to stop people from looking for an alive Ayla"

      Maybe people are not trying to convince anyone of anything but simply keep awareness high? What if you look at it from that perspective and then you will see that there is no-one, NO-ONE that is saying that they believe Ayla is deceased and therefore we should stop looking! It is the opposit in fact. Ayla must be found and brought home regardless of your belief in her fate!

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  2. Great post, Tori. I appreciate your attempt to see all sides here and to understand views you don't necessarily agree with.

    My belief that Ayla is still alive is multi-faceted. I'm pretty intuitive by nature, and I'm indirectly acquainted with people involved enough to know their character. I don't believe they would support someone unless they were convinced they were being truthful.

    Another facet or two for me are the inconsistencies in Trista's stories, and the lack of information shared by MSP....the overall vagueness in the information is puzzling.

    I've kept a pretty open mind through this....and I have to admit that I've read so many things about it that I have a hard time retaining a lot of the miniscule facts. As a result, there have been times when I've said things as fact and perpetuated a thought as factual. Thanks for pointing that out on your blog, John. That was so kind of you.

    I think we're all so ready to bring Ayla home that, the more time passes, the more emotionally drained we become. Can you even imagine how those directly involved must feel?

    Anyway, I appreciate your ability to look at this objectively (unlike so many) and treat people with respect when you disagree. I fail at it when I become frustrated and annoyed. I cannot stand how some in particular here will act condescending toward others, and I lash out.

    From now on I will attempt to not let my annoyance with certain people dictate my responses. Ayla needs us to truly be united. We all care about Ayla, so it's time to put the pettiness behind us and do it for her.

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    1. Nice comment Michelle.

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    2. Thank you, Michelle. It is easy to get roped into the bickering. I have to either ignore and walk away or state my peace then walk away and stop reading responses because it just continues to get me riled up.

      There is no reason we all shouldn't be able to have a place and a voice in getting justice for Ayla. This case is multifaceted as are the people who follow it. We need everyone to add their insight to help understand what happened.

      I am glad that this blog has been able to serve that purpose and that you have decided to participate here.

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    3. "...unless they were convinced they were being truthful." That really is the basis of which lies are able to be used to convince. Sometimes people believe the lies because they can't stomach knowing the truth.

      Someone knows exactly where Ayla is and what happened to her. I can't even imagine the sickening horror that person(s) lives with day in and day out. I hope that when the sleep (though how they do I can't imagine) they see Ayla's face, I hope that their every waking hour is seeing Ayla's face. They hold the key to end this now. All our theories are wasted.

      I can even say how many murderers neighbors said "they couldn't believe that sweet boy who mowed their lawn, shoveled their driveway, helped them walk across the street could butcher his whole family. He seemed like such a quiet sweet boy".

      Liars. They can fool the best of us.

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  3. Great post Tori thank you for the time you spend researching and speaking for Ayla. The thing is either way Ayla is not with us and she needs to be found. Our opinions of her being alive or deceased do not change that fact.

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  4. Nice Post Tori, thank you.

    Many of the things you commented on concerning MSP are in the post that I submitted. These are the reasons I have to believe that it is very possible that Ayla was abducted. Giving the very little that MSP has told the public, along with the way their statement are worded, I'm perplexed that more people don't consider that an abduction could have taken place.

    My thoughts about the 3 persons in the home that night mirror what you wrote as well.
    Combined with a personal sense that Ayla is alive.

    I don't believe that Trista took Ayla. However, I can't rule out that she know something.


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    1. I think Katie had a wedding she went to so I haven't seen your post. I wish I would have because I could have posted yours as part one and just continued on with part two :). If you want to send it to me, you are more than welcome to at torigifford@icloud.com, if not Katie should be back soon and able to post it.

      When you look at just what has been released by LE and different reasons people have for not believing LE's claims then it does make the idea of an abduction more likely, the part that holds me up are the logistical and statistical part of an abduction and I am still not sold on that aspect.

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    2. Sure I can send it to you.
      Maybe it would work as a three part post.

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    3. Sent.
      If it works with what you're considering about abduction, that's fine. If not, that's okay.
      I have a feeling that there will be plenty of time for it to be posted in the future, ..sadly.

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    4. Thanks, I got it and will post it tomorrow inbetween parts one and two. You were right, it mirrored my post almost exactly. :)

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    5. Looking At The FactsJuly 28, 2013 at 9:38 PM

      Tori

      I have an idea about abduction an Ayla could be hiding basically right in plain sight, right under our noses. i will try to get it written this week but I have a lot of work this week. i commented with the idea this week and would ike to expand on it a bit. honestly since i commented i have been waiting for MSP to knock on my door to investigate even though i stated I did not have Ayla, I jut wanted to show it could happen

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    6. Thank you, I think that would go right along the lines of the second part of this post and would be a good follow up. I have a guest submission ready for tomorrow and then Tuesday I will post part two unless I don't get a chance to finish it. If I don't, Dana has a post in the wings so you have plenty of time to get it to me and still have it go with the topic of discussion.

      MSP does read here but I think they understand what you were saying about how she could be there and no one would know, and didn't take it as you actually have her. :) if they did show up, it would be refreshing albeit a hassle to you, but at least we would know that they are taking all scenarios into consideration.

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    7. It is maddening! If Ayla were truly abducted by Trista or someone working for her, why in the name of all that's holy, hasn't Justin done something about it?

      Have Justin and Lance thought of trailing the Reynolds and knocking down doors behind which may be little Ayla?

      Have the DiPietros and friends pooled their resources to hire a P.I. to bring Ayla home where Trista has her hidden? Why not, if they have no faith in LE?

      I surely wouldn't let my ex get away with stealing my child and leaving me to suffer the suspicions of LE and the public? No, by God, I would do something about it.

      He must have once believed Ayla was taken by someone whom he suspected was in league with Trista because Justin never showed any concern for Ayla's safety. We know that he is not without emotion. At least in private.

      He also pleaded for immunity for the kidnapper so that it would get Ayla home quicker. Maybe he was just trying to stay "friendly" with the kidnapper to give the kidnapper a sense of ease, but the impression Justin gave was that he was sure Ayla was okay.He even said so! He expressed his belief that Ayla was probably getting used to her new surroundings and thought it was all a game. WTF?

      Even a parent who definitely knows his child has been stolen by his ex or someone working for her in a custody battle, does not act this way. Their anger at the injustice of their child stolen spurs them on to action.

      With his cryptic statements of "the truth will come out when the time is right" and, "Now is not the time to speak", etc. Justin appears to have the situation well in control. He's just biding his time. Who the hell does that when one's baby has been abducted?

      Your daughter is missing, you suspect her mother is behind it, and yet, you'lll wait until LE solves "the case" to say anything. I guess Justin's surer than I am that LE will find Trista'a hiding place; he'll just relax until they bring Ayla home. His statements are mind boggling.

      OTOH, if Justin truly believed a stranger abducted Ayla, he should have been even more frantic asking for more media exposure and public help to find her, not hunkering down and nursing his wounds like a big baby. He is a grown man while his daughter, the real baby, is in the hands of a criminal, and he can't speak out for her? Why? BTW, the single most important thing a parent can do when his child is missing (so say LE and all the missing kids organizations)is to keep his child in the media eye, in the public's consciousness.

      Justin avoids the public eye. He gives the impression of a recluse who is absorbed in tending his bruised ego. He cares that people twist his words? Well, he has acted strangely. And his words are cyphers. Many of us can't help but find how he acts when his child is still missing, more than weird.

      Maybe Justin feels there's no reason to keep active for his child because he knows positively what happened to her.

      But, wait, Justin told us that nothing happened to her. Not in that house. "She did not come to her demise in my house. Nothing bad ever happened to her in my house."(Except that she was kidnapped, of course, according to Justin.)

      Honestly, can someone explain Justin's problem? Is he of normal intelligence? Are we placing too much on him which he is incapable of shouldering? Is he capable of speaking out for his daughter? Some people who are somewhat mentally challenged are just not equipped to address an issue publicly. I wonder that Heidi doesn't speak for him, again. She is quite silent. As so are the other DiPietros. All quite silent.

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    8. "Have the DiPietros and friends pooled their resources to hire a P.I. to bring Ayla home"

      ...According to Jeff he did.

      "He also pleaded for immunity for the kidnapper"

      ...He said that he *wished* that the person/persons who took Ayla could be offered immunity.
      *Wishing* for something and pleading for something are 2 different things.
      We all wish for things, doesn't mean we expect to get them.

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      I fail to see how your remarks create awareness for Ayla at all. I don't think it is humorous, cute ,or even called for.

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  5. John P says: July 28, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Mama, when LE discovered a phone call to Derek before the call to Phoebe or 911, I would expect he would have been a 5th person accounting for the 24 hours leading to that night.
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    Please cite the source for this.

    Let me guess...Jeff.

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    1. I might remind some at U4A, of a quote from their blog post:

      Why do you think it is okay to throw out accusations and suspicions about Derek, When LE has never said he was not cooperating, or withholding information?"

      He's never been mentioned at all by LE in this case.

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    2. Isn't it funny how John is allowed, even encouraged, to put out misleading information and endless rhetoric.

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    3. Thank you all for your concern. As I have stated in the post concerning the 911 call, it was verified by Trista by the MSP. I spoke directly to Trista concerning this matter so no McKee your guess was wrong. But maybe someone here could ask Heidi, maybe someone could ask Justin since it was said he called Derek for advice (possible and probable supposition of the part of the person who said that).

      None of you find it odd, or hinky as some like to say, that every accusation they deemed incorrect, they denied and twisted. Yet upon direct questions to Heidi and Derek on another blog, both avoided answering or denying.

      Think what you will but Derek is involved in this case Anon1 and if you read your own comment, "Why do you think it is okay to throw out accusations and suspicions about Derek, When LE has never said he was not cooperating, or withholding information?" doesn't that also apply to Trista but yet her name has also been dragged through the mud. Just saying it is not a fact that Derek is not involved, it is a possibility that we have explored, and IMO he is very heavily involved in this case.

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    4. The only "negative" comments that have been said about Trista on this blog have been regarding her inconsistencies in interviews. That is hardly "dragging her name through the mud" and it is a perfectly valid topic of discussion. Just like discussing Justin's recent arrest is also a valid discussion topic. I would say calling someone a murderer/child abuser/ugly is more in the realm of mud-slinging and uncalled for comments.

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    5. John,

      It isn't my comment or quote. I took the quote from U4A. I just replaced one name with another name.

      "Why do you think it’s ok to throw out accusations and suspicions about LE, Trista, Jeff, Ron, Robert and anyone else when LE has never said that any of these people aren’t cooperating or are withholding information? Yet it’s not ok for us to share our suspicions of the people that LE has clearly stated many times are withholding information?"

      ...For the record I have nothing against U4A discussing their suspicions of the people LE has mentioned in this case. (which Derek is not one of)

      Your discussions of Derek and others is no different than people discussing Trista, Ron, Jeff and Robert.
      That was what I wanted to point out.




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    6. Michelle,

      You are bit off base with your comment. #1 I referenced "another blog" in my comment, not this one. #2 Since Mountain Mama and I have being managing U4A together, the only time I see the term murderer used in relation to Justin, is when YOU use it. Yet another false accusation which distracts from the discussion of Ayla. Maybe you should stop using that word Michelle?

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    7. Anon 1, Another very well stated comment. I do appreciate your open and respectful discussions.

      I apologize if my comment was worded incorrectly. I do realize the quote you used was from U4A. My point was not to insinuate you were using a double standard. I only wanted to point out that LE has stated that a LIP was purchased by Justin from Derek. Because all the possibilities are still on the table, does this not also remain a possibility and open for discussion.

      Trista has been open for discussion and I appreciate that most of you HERE have maintained a level of compassion that was not and is not shown elsewhere. I would only like to say, that the call to Derek before the call to 911 on the morning of the 17th, which I personally confirmed with Trista, is also not verified by LE but yet another reason I believe Derek is involved in some way.

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    8. Anyone can infer out of a comment to the tune of "Ayla was murdered in that house....her father did it....Justin killed that sweet angel" as calling Justin a murderer. Don't play games with me, John. You know people have said it, either by implication or actual words. I've seen it here and on JSTL as well. It still hardly compares to what has been said about Trista and you know it.

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  6. I agree this is a comprehensive post that states the various positions well. A couple of points I would add are that police did indeed say flat out a kidnapping did not happen; according to WGME, police also said the amount of Ayla's blood found was substantial.

    This is my opinion only about McCausland saying it is too cumbersome to clear Trista. He cannot clear her by saying the magic words. He is a pr person, not substantively responsible for investigative decisions. Within the investigation, there is a hierarchy and multiple agency involvement. The MSP would never clear a suspect IMO without the full concurrence of the prosecutor or any other police agencies working with them in any substantial capacity behind the scenes. There seems to be a cautious prosecutor here, and there is no benefit to the prosecution to clearing anyone.

    I would also point out in regard to Michelle's comment that Trista was suffering addiction during some of the key events about which statements were made. Her recall and her ability to keep facts straight may have been impaired even after she stopped abusing whatever substances she was abusing. Also, people thrust into the limelight will often try to hide certain facts not because they're guilty but because they're embarrassed; and they will also subconsciously change their accounts to fit newly emerging facts, to try to please interviewers, etc. I don't think everything Trista says is credible, but that doesn't lead me to conclude she had anything to do with what seems to be pretty strong evidence of Ayla's death in Justin's house.

    Why no prosecution? Prosecutors vary tremendously in how they put their cases together and what evidence they want to go to trial. Once they charge, the clock starts ticking on the defendant's right to a speedy trial and they can't hold up the case to seek additional evidence. The grand jury was convened for the first (only? who knows?) time early in this case. I think the investigators were pushing hard for charges to be brought against Justin at that point. Either because of gaps in the evidence at the gj or for other reasons, the prosecutor didn't want to jump, knowing there is no statute of limitations on murder and probably believing Ayla's body would be found sooner or later. IF LE has a definitive independent sighting of Ayla at some time on the 16th and possibly other evidence establishing when Justin or any other possible accomplices were at the DiPietro house that day, they may be able to establish just how far someone may reasonably have traveled to dispose of Ayla's body, assuming she did die.

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    1. "according to WGME, police also said the amount of Ayla's blood found was substantial".

      I'd love to read that. Do you recall when it was?
      I'm willing to bet that was misreported, as I've never seen any other news organization say that, or anything close to it.

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    2. "I would also point out in regard to Michelle's comment that Trista was suffering addiction during some of the key events about which statements were made. Her recall and her ability to keep facts straight may have been impaired even after she stopped abusing whatever substances she was abusing. Also, people thrust into the limelight will often try to hide certain facts not because they're guilty but because they're embarrassed; and they will also subconsciously change their accounts to fit newly emerging facts, to try to please interviewers, etc. I don't think everything Trista says is credible, but that doesn't lead me to conclude she had anything to do with what seems to be pretty strong evidence of Ayla's death in Justin's house."
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      These sound like pretty convenient excuses to me, CG.

      How are we to sift through Trista's comments to determine which ones she meant to say and which ones she uttered in a post-rehab fog?

      Only Trista can come forward to correct her own statements, CG. You can't. I can't. Jeff can't.

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    3. I'm not trying to. All I am doing is stating my opinion as to how I distinguish some statements not being accurate from statements indicating guilt in connection with what happened to Ayla.

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    4. Anon1 Here is the link- http://www.wgme.com/news/top-stories/stories/wgme_vid_13520.shtml

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    5. CG Thanks for the link.

      Doesn't even say who wrote it. MSP is not quoted.
      Not that it matters, we all know that MSP never said that a substantial amount of Ayla's blood was found at the DiPietro home. Not on the record anyway.

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  7. Since M.M doesn't seem to mind responding to some comments here I'd like to ask if she could expound on this comment.

    "It’s so sad that there are so many who are blocking the path that leads to justice for Ayla. Those who are protecting themselves, those who are protecting family or friends, those who are trying to sway public opinion, and those who are misleading the public in order to gain support from those protecting Ayla’s assailant. How dare you!"

    I don't want to infer from this something that she may not be saying or implying.
    Who do you feel is trying to sway public opinion? Who are those misleading the public to gain support from those protecting Ayla's assailant?

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    1. I would like to know as well because it was made shortly after this post and the timing made me think it was directed towards me, I just may be full of myself though and think everything is directed at me? : / Which is why I don't respond in case it isn't about me and then I just make myself look like an ass lol

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    2. Anon1 and Tori, I posted this on U4A as well. It is just an example of what was, what is and probably what will be done by some to do everything Mama stated and then some. This comment was made Just yesterday so it is going on every day by many individuals it sucks to high heavan. The sad part is this is on FB's Justice for Ayla! Simply disgusting with that irony on top of everything else.

      Lori Littlefield says i so hope that all the people who are quick to assume that justin really hurt or killed ayla and took out life insurance policies on her before doing so, they get a slap in the faces when it comes out that he is really innocent......i kinda want to sit on the side lines and laugh my ass off!

      What on this planet is funny if Ayla is not found? I will not be laughing if Justin is found guilty, but Ayla is not found. This is blatant and disgusting disregard for Ayla Bell, obviously longing to protect Justin and a direct attempt to sway the public opinion through guilt to stop looking at Justin. This is just one example of many but this one is particularly sick!

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    3. John, you have quoted that
      "Lori Littlefield says i so hope that all the people who are quick to assume that justin really hurt or killed ayla and took out life insurance policies on her before doing so, they get a slap in the faces when it comes out that he is really innocent......i kinda want to sit on the side lines and laugh my ass off!"
      Where in that quote does it say that anyone thinks it is funny if Ayla is not?

      Oaklandrez

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    4. Looking At The FactsJuly 29, 2013 at 10:26 AM

      John

      You talk about respect all the time well how disrespectful of you to take one post on a conversation from a closed group and post someone's first and last name on a public blog. Tell me do you think she would literally be laughing? Do you know her at all that you can some up that she is just trying to protect Justin? Well let me tell you I do know her and she has spent countless hours passing around flyers of not only Ayla but many other missing kids. What really is blatant and disgusting disregard for Ayla Bell is the way you and your U4A minions are so closed minded. Hey maybe I am wrong and she isn't alive, maybe you are wrong and she is, the only difference is I am not trying to stop people from looking for her. If I'm wrong it has caused no harm, if you are wrong how many have you convinced she is gone and have stopped them from looking.

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    5. Looking, good points.

      What is overlooked is that John P and his gang have chased away a lot of voices for Ayla. How many were bullied off of U4A? Many!

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    6. BTW "found" should be the last word of my question 2 comments up....

      Oaklandrez

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    7. John,
      I don't believe that anything said on a blog, or a Facebook page, is going to impede MSP's investigation.
      I also don't believe that public opinion is going to sway their investigation one way or the other.
      I thought you had full confidence in them?

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  8. anonymous from maineJuly 29, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    Is there anywhere to discuss Ayla where Johnp doesn't post? I don't go to U4A anymore because I can't stand his holier then thou, condescending attitude. Why does he feel the need to come here and "school" people that don't share his opinion? I'd hate to have to stop reading here as well.

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    1. I asked the same question not long ago. I applaud Tori and Katie for keeping this blog open to all, but he has a way of disrupting and diverting by putting people on the defense for reasons for which only he is privy. Likely he feels a need to control all communications because he seems to have laid some kind of unspoken ownership on the case. Strange.

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    2. And Dana, thank you as well.

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    3. I completely agree. I'd love a John-free zone as well.

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  9. For the record Penny et al:

    I think Justin is highly suspect, especially after his domestic violence arrest. My opinion of him has never wavered into the realm of Boy Scout. But that is not the same thing as being a murderer.

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  10. By the way, whatever happened to Candlegate, John?

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  11. John P says: July 28, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    Nice to see you too Tori! I am sure you are not trying to imply that we at U4A are not trying to look at all possibilities?
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    Perish the thought, John. You have been very fair in considering all possibilities...as long as all roads ultimately lead to the DiPietros

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  12. "Have the DiPietros and friends pooled their resources to hire a P.I. to bring Ayla home"

    ...According to Jeff he did

    Jeff hired a P.I or Justin?

    And could you give me a link to that info? Appreciate it!
    I think both Jeff and Trista are as difficult to follow as the DiPietros. So I am not debating the thing. I just don't recall Jeff saying this. I would have sat up and taken notes!

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    1. Jeff said of the DiPietro's;

      "Passing out flyers and *hiring a detective* is all well and good, but Justin, Courtney and Elisha lost Ayla on their watch and I have not seen or heard of any of them taking accountability for neglecting Ayla,...."

      U4A, ..The Kidnappers, A Fairy Tail.

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    2. Wow. You would have thought that TLLOM ...or even JD himself would have disclosed the P.I. hiring. I guess another DiPietro secret to be guarded. They want everything close to the vest. Like LE.

      Thanks for the quote from Jeff. Very odd, but then I can't follow Jeff easily.

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    3. Anon 516.... where were you when I disclosed the PI information? I've said it before and I'll say it again, Justin has done this. To think he wouldn't when he was being pressed by LE is almost pointless. He has. and He is working with one.

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  13. Tori - Regarding a part of #1, you said - "They have not given a definitive response to date. It is always "We don't believe Ayla will be found alive" "We don't believe the three in the house are telling all they know" "We don't think an abduction occurred", Not once has LE said "The people in the house are lying" "Ayla is no longer alive" "We are certain Ayla was not kidnapped." If LE cannot be confident in their statements, how can those following the case be confident in what they say?"

    There is at least once where McCausland said Ayla was not abducted that I found. It's a direct quote. I don't have time right now to look for more.

    Authorities believe, as they have said previously, that there was "foul play" involved in the girl's disappearance and they opened a criminal probe, McCausland told reporters Thursday. But her body has not been found and no one has been named a suspect in the case.
    "She did not leave that home by herself, and she was not abducted," the state police spokesman said.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/31/justice/maine-missing-girl/index.html?_s=PM:JUSTICE

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    1. Thank you Dee.

      The article is about the May 31 PC. The quotes are taken from there.
      I need to go back and listen to that PC again.

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  14. i vote for a john-free zone. weather or not he approves. someone should send him "spelling for idiots".

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    1. You are clearly in no position to insult another's spelling as you have used the wrong form of the word "weather". It should read " whether". Besides in order to earn respect from other readers one must display respect as well

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  15. Silencing a person even if you do not like that person is never good. The book would be spelling for dummies. I don't know if that would help with typo's.

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    1. anonymous from maineJuly 29, 2013 at 2:27 PM

      I never called for silencing anybody, just for the record. but i and others shouldn't be silenced either and we are by his constant need to correct and interject his "humble opinion".

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    2. That is why this site is here it gives you a voice where it won't be silenced, as long as we all remain civil. What I meant by silenced is if this was a john free zone it wouldn't be good.

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    3. Anon from Maine
      Don't ever let anyone silence you or your friends either. Your opinion and theories are just as good and welcome as anyone's here.

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    4. Dana, John P runs a blog, his own platform. No one here can silence him. But I hope you will consider banning him from here since he has silenced so many on HIS blog and continues confront them here in his special way.

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    5. Foil do you think it is right that people have gone silent on the other blog that use to comment there?

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    6. Actually what they asked me to do here was delete the spam, and if I wanted I could write a post now and then to help get people talking again. I don't have the authority to ban anyone. I really love seeing Foil, McKee, Get real people,Dee,CG,Looking at the facts, Michelle, Katie Tori, anons, and anon1 all commenting here again. Yes Jeff, john and anyone else that would like to. We may argue and sputter but we all remember Ayla.

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    7. Tori and Katie: To be clear I won't press the issue. Just wanted to restate my wish. Dana, thanks.

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    8. I know Foil your welcome. Keep commenting we love your thoughts and idea's.

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    9. Okay, okay... I take back what I said about loving a John-free zone. He has every right to be here, even if he is the self-appointed Ayla supporter tiara & sash giver. Whatevs. Carry on ;)

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    10. Dana, you have gone above and beyond what was asked of you here and we appreciate it wholeheartedly. You are an integral part of this blog as are the many commenters here, many of whom have been cast out of U4A and others who have come here from JSTL, even those who swore months ago they would never comment here, and many who used to comment but stopped for awhile have found their way back here. This blog has made great strides in maintaining a fair, open, and mostly respectful platform for all sides to share their thoughts and I am pleased with the progress. None of it could have happened without any of you.

      I know it is frustrating to try to debate with some people and even if we did have the capability to block people on this blog, I would be hesitant to do so because then we are doing the same thing to others that many did not like being done to themselves. I can only plead with people to PLEASE keep things respectful, allow others to have their own opinion-opinions are not up for debate only facts and details of the case are and the more you push someone into changing their opinion, the more they will not be willing to look at your point of view. I would be extremely dismayed to know people left this blog because they were feeling like they could not state their opinion without being ridiculed or challenged because of it.

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    11. Michelle
      I just love it when a plan comes together. The A team.

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    12. "Actually what they asked me to do here was delete the spam..."
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      Dana, you crack me up!

      You really are a dear. Thank you for all you do. It can't be easy.

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    13. Actually for a group of caring people like you it is easy.

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    14. The hard part was when I realized it wasn't spam by Armour what a bummer.

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    15. Tori: "even those who swore months ago they would never comment here."

      That was me, although I don't think I swore. :)

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    16. I am glad you came around Foil :)

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  16. Foil...I understand your frustration. Believe me, I do!

    I think Tori, Katie, and Dana are loathe to block anyone from posting here.

    Blocking is so U4A.

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    1. "Blocking is so U4A." True.

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  17. Complaints, Complaints, Complaints! Can't we all just get along. These two sites should just stop the fairy tale squabbling! Grow up-Everyone has an opinion and everybody can agree to disagree. Just stop the snide, sly, sarcastic comments about each other!!!

    This is about the sweetest little angel ayla who has been taken from life. Never to smile again, kiss again, play again and hug!
    Never to have what every little girl wants: LOVE from a DAD. Daddy's Little Girl. The love of daddy's life!

    However, She now has thousands of people who love her and have never met her.

    STOP THE PETTY ARGUEING. It TAKES AWAY FROM YOUR INTELLIGENCE!
    STOP PLEASE___DO IT FOR AYLA!

    KLB

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    1. Excuse me while I "complain" about your post (is that what debating is called now?). Stop making statements as if you just know Ayla is dead. You don't know shit. Kthxbye.

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    2. "This is about the sweetest little angel ayla who has been taken from life. Never to smile again, kiss again, play again and hug!"
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      I hope you recognize that there are some here that believe Ayla is alive.

      I hope you recognize that there are some here that believe if Ayla is gone, she is in a realm where she is free to smile, kiss, play, and hug.

      Your comment is offensive.

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  18. Like I say Michelle-IT TAKES AWAY FROM YOUR INTELLIGENCE! PPPFFFTTT

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  19. I Feel sorry for you.

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  20. Well it looks to me Tori-that Michelle needs a lasson on ridiculing!

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    1. Michelle...you don't deserve this bullshit.

      Just let it roll off your back.

      And be thankful you don't have the issues this particular Anonymous is struggling with...

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  21. Spelling for Dummies, eh?

    I am eighty years old. I have arthritis in my hands. I have sight in only one eye.And the print on my laptop jumps around to an unsteady Wi-Fi. God forbid I should make a spelling error or a typo here!

    You know what I hate? Gutter language which is often in certain posters' slams against the "other side's" moderator. I am relic from a bygone era when the four letter words were mostly the provence of some members of the under-educated lower classes.

    When one has to point out spelling errorfs or typos in a poster's comment, there seems to be a lack of sound discussion or argument around.

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    1. I hate it when people slam others for typos. We all do it sometimes. I try to proofread, but I miss stuff here and there. We're human. I swear, mostly when I'm annoyed. It's one of my weaknesses. The only time swearing makes a peraon look uneducated to me is when every other word is fuck....it's just silly. I grew up in the 80's in central Maine. It's just what we did.

      I'm not sure if I told you or someone else that you don't know shit, but I do apologize for that. It gets annoying to hear the constant opinions stated as fact over and over, especially in the sense of calling Justin a murderer and that Ayla is dead somewhere. It gets overwhelming and tiring. And I swear. LOL....sorry.

      and I'm not proofreading, so ignore my typos.

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  22. "errorfs"...See what I mean! I'm coining new words all the time!
    Dana, you are a peach.

    Anon 5:54

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  23. Practice what you preach. No one should be attacked for their opinion. Don't talk with a forked tongue. McKee Kitty-I don't think you struggle with issues---you just have a lot of them and think everything is fine, How hypocritical to say everyone can have an opinion. Right!! And four more will jump on you for that opinion.

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    1. Opinions start with "I think..." and "I believe..." or even "I hope..." and not:
      "This is about the sweetest little angel ayla who has been taken from life. Never to smile again, kiss again, play again and hug!
      Never to have what every little girl wants: LOVE from a DAD. Daddy's Little Girl. The love of daddy's life!"
      That is a statement made as if it's factual. We don't KNOW that she's dead. I believe she's still alive. I pray she is. I don't believe I've ever said Ayla is alive somewhere, living a happy life full of love and is growing into a beautiful young girl. Do I hope that? Yes. But I don't KNOW that it's happening.

      You who insist on saying she's dead, an angel watching over us, she will never smile, hug her mommy, etc. etc. are just plain ridiculous and you attack those of us who choose to believe or think or hope otherwise. Excuse me (us) if we seem to lash out, but your closed mindedness is frustrating to read.

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    2. And you're right... no one should be attacked for their opinion. Your definition of attack is clearly different than mine. You have posted (assuming they're all your posts) several times in a row with your protestations. That seems like more of an attack than me saying you're full of shit for posting that Ayla's dead as if it's a fact. The only fact is that YOU DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. And no amount of posts from you will make it true. Can you admit to that, or are you going to continue your barrage of replies that make you look like a lunatic? And no, that is not an attack, although I'm sure you'll take it that way.

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  24. If you have an additional opinion and/or theory regarding this case that has not yet been discussed, no matter which side you support, we would love to hear it! Please feel free to submit your ideas to: torigifford@icloud.com

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