Monday, March 11, 2013

The Reality of the Unknown

First I'd like to start off by addressing some concerns a few people have put forward:

1. the "maybe if Katie can't keep up with this blog she should hand it off to someone else" comment...
....... I have spent the last week or so pouring over interviews, articles, other blogs... trying to find the most truthful source to some of the information that has been put forward. Guess what? With all the changes, I have had an awful hard time with this - even with help. And this is just in my spare time. Not only do I have two small children, but I work and go to school. So yes, I have limited time to do this work, but I am fully committed to Ayla and this cause. So please, don't assume I just can't keep up.

2. Jeff's posting privileges.
..... Jeff is the only source we have right now that is more than willing to come forward and open their mouth. So we are taking it. Yes, an olive branch has been extended to the entire paternal family. Some of the responses I got were "I have nothing to add to what you have to say at this time" and "I've said all I need to say right now". So I am respecting that and not pushing, but they know that I am here and willing to assist them in getting their words out. 

3. Tori's apologies.
..... Tori has apologized to A LOT of people lately. And guess what? The reaction has been overwhelmingly positive. This has a lot to do with the way this collaboration will work. Thankfully,  we've all been able to set aside our differences for the greater cause here - Ayla Bell Reynolds.

Now for the real stuff.

Apparently LE is not sharing the same information with both families. There would be no reason that the paternal family would stand by their claim that Ayla was taken from their home if LE had showed them the same photos and evidence that Trista has seen. If this is truly some sort of sick tactic by MSP, I am unimpressed personally, because if there is that small chance Ayla is still alive, why make her mother believe she is dead?!?! That is pure torture, even if Trista was involved somehow in the removal/hiding of Ayla. 

I'm not convinced that Trista was involved. We have talked on numerous occasions, and though she does have her fair share of issues, I am not 100% convinced. And neither is TLLOM. Some individuals may think differently, but the original members of TLLOM don't believe this. They may not think very highly of Trista (just as her family doesn't feel warm and fuzzy about Justin) but they do not think she was involved.

So what do I think happened to Ayla Bell Reynolds?

My mind has floated between a few different scenarios. Originally, I always contended that Ayla was alive and no one in the home was responsible for her disappearance. I still believe the second half, but there are days where I am not 100% certain of the first. The first time I actually thought this was just a few months ago. I wondered why both Trista and LE were SO focused on the river here in Waterville, but I also in the back of my head heard LE saying "We were searching it because of it's proximity to the Violette Ave home". If Ayla wasn't taken to be kept somewhere else forever, then why was she taken? There are plenty of sick, crazy people everywhere these days. Could there possibly be someone out there who took Ayla for that purpose? To have her and then get rid of her? I just don't understand that. 

There are some ideas I have that I cannot share right now. But I hope, like Jeff, to be able to share them in the future. Jeff isn't the only person here who has gotten information they are unsure of what to do with and unsure of it's validity. But I promise you all that as soon as I am comfortable with the source and words, I will be sharing.

125 comments:

  1. Great article Katie! :)
    Do you know if you will be able to share with us any info that has can illuminate the differences in what MSP is showing the paternal & maternal families.

    Even something small?

    I guess I would like to understand why the Maine State Police aren't showing both families the same evidence. I could understand MSP *withholding* evidence from one side of Ayla's family if they thought they had something to do with Ayla's disappearance.

    But not showing them the same evidence sounds like a game & I don't like that - if it's true.

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    1. Of course there is a very compelling reason why the paternal family would stand by their claim that a kidnapping took place. It's really a no-brainer. WHY would they ever admit that something happened to Ayla inside their home? To admit to that would result in arrests. There isn't any big surprise there.

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    2. What information has Jeff received that he didn't know what to do with or was unsure of its validity? Have the MSP given you information?

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  2. Early on, investigators leaked to the press that police showed Justin photos of Ayla's blood, found with Luminol, at 29 Violette. Justin subsequently stated publicly that Ayla's blood was found in the house; he acknowledged being shown pictures but said he couldn't state the amount of blood. The maternal family says investigators told them more than a cupful and showed them 30-40 photos of evidence including Ayla's blood. McCausland has said publicly Ayla's blood was found there; a reporter described the amount police said was found as substantial. This is all pretty consistent. Even what Heidi described is consistent in that she saw blood visible to the naked eye, not the blood seen with Luminol, and the size of the drops she reports is consistent with spatter and inconsistent with random minor cuts.

    Why would the paternal family stand by the disproved kidnapping claim in light of the blood evidence? What alternative is there except to admit responsibility and go to jail or point the finger at each other? Anyone involved in any way is locked in. If someone was there and somehow had no idea what actually happened, the blood evidence can't make her or him reveal a truth she or he doesn't know.

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    1. Luminol highlights the presence of blood, but also the presence of urine and other body fluids. How much was blood ? How much was urine ? How much was Ayla's ?

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    2. There are confirmatory tests done in the lab to ensure the substance tested is blood, normally.

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    3. Yes, but we don't know what they told Justin when they showed him the luminol photos.

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    4. LE may have shown him the luminol photos telling that everything which was highlighted was Ayla's blood. They are known to tell a partial truth to obtain elements. None of us were there to hear what they told Justin, and we don't know if everything highlighted by the luminol was all Ayla's blood.

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  3. There would be no reason that the paternal family would stand by their claim that Ayla was taken from their home if LE had showed them the same photos and evidence that Trista has seen.Has the family said if they were shown the same evidence they would not stand by their kidnapping claim?

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    1. "There would be no reason that the paternal family would stand by their claim that Ayla was taken from their home if LE had showed them the same photos and evidence that Trista has seen."

      I agree, huh? Of course they would stand by their claim that Ayla was taken, no matter what photo evidence of the contrary they were shown.

      There are potentially two reasons they will stand by their claim:

      1. It's the truth.
      2. It's a lie and they are protecting themselves.

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    2. AnonymousMarch 11, 2013 at 5:00 PM, EXACTLY! Unfortunately there isn't anything new in Katie's post that the public doesn't already know. It is all just a DiPietro supporter's musings about her own thoughts--nothing from the MSP or DiPietro family. Oh, and her 'opinion' that Trista didn't abduct Ayla. I would say that probably 99.9% of of the nation's population that is familiar with this case is well aware that Trista Reynolds is a grieving mother that didn't have anything to do with her daughter, Ayla Bell's disappearance.

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  4. Thanks for posting, Katie. I appreciate your time sacrificed for balancing out this blog. I look forward to your future posting.

    I think that MSP has no clue and is trying different tactics to see if anyone slips up, since one side of the family or another usually has something to do with a child's disappearance, especially when a custody dispute of any kind is present.

    I hope to see Trista & Justin come together for Ayla so this case can break wide open. It's time for the mudslinging to stop & for Ayla to be put first. And I hope that continues after she comes home! I pray for that often. Call me naive if you must, but there it is.

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    1. Michelle, I would love to see Justin and Trista come together in public to support finding their daughter.

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    2. Michelle I totally agree with you 100%.

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    3. Michelle, whom do you think is caring for Ayla in the middle of this "custody dispute"?

      I would assume you mean someone on the side of one of her parents, is this correct? So, if her parents could settle their difficulties, one of them would... voila!... produce Ayla? Is this right? It's all about the bitterness between the parents?

      You seem always to harken back to Ayla being taken as a result of a custody fight. You are not alone. At the beginning of the case many felt this way. It seemed to be a logical conclusion to draw. One of the parents knew where she was and knew Ayla was being well-cared for and loved. And that parent would not honestly be able to pull off an anxious and worried vibe for the press and public.

      Which parent has shown the least worry about Ayla, and, in fact, said that Ayla has probably "adjusted to her new surroundings and thinks it's a game"? Which parent has said, "I woerry about her being out there and cold."

      Which parent has shown the least inclination for keeping Ayla in the news and regularly turns down interviews from people like Ben McCanna to tell his side of the story? Which pazrent tries to do as much inteervoews and special evens to keep reminding people of Ayla.

      Which parent has the most resources to allow someone to take and then hide Ayla? Kind of a toss up as both Justin and Trista are indigent. But either may have friends with resources.

      When does the guilty parent in this custody kidnapping get to see Ayla? Why stash her away, yet never see her again? The guilty parent must see her from time to time and Ayla must be in a place LE would not suspect.

      (Surely LE followed up on the idea that Ayla could be hidden by one of her parents, with the aid of a ralative or friend. In the two weeks before LE started searching the rivers, I mean.)

      Who is the most likely person related in some way to one of the parents to have the resources to hide Ayla? yet allow that parent to easily see her?

      I'd say look for Ayla at the old Tudela manor hidden in amongst all the other toddlers, perhaps disguised as a boy. What do you think? I think Justin will have a lot of reimbursing to do to the state and feds.

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    4. I wasn't saying that's what I think happened. I'm saying that may be what the police are thinking happened, at least at the beginning--and possibly now, since they don't have a whole lot to go on.

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    5. Michelle, how would you possibly know what the MSP does or does not have in terms of evidence? The MSP has not once retracted their public statements that an abduction did not take place, the three individuals that were in the house when Ayla disappeared are not being forthcoming, and it is highly unlikely that Ayla will be found alive. This is not a CSI episode. A investigation of this magnitude takes time.

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    6. Anonymous 9:52 PM.

      Exactly.

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    7. I'm going by what's been reported and also what's been said at news conferences. Steve McCausland doesn't act like they have a lot to go on, but I still don't know what they have for evidence, so you're right in that respect. I hope that you are as adamant in standing up for the accusations made against the DiPietros as you are for me making assumptions based on what's been said or unsaid. After all, calling Justin a baby killer, and stating the death of Ayla as a fact is much worse than what I've said here, wouldn't you say?

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    8. Steve McCausland doesn't act like they have a lot to go on,HUH? I would say telling the public she won't be found alive is acting like he has evidence.

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    9. Or it's meant to make the kidnapper(s) comfy so they'll come out in the open, causing Ayla to be spotted by someone. We just don't know, do we?

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    10. Michelle, ever read the words of Cindy Anthony in the works by the same author? Textbook.

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    11. Michelle, a spokesperson representing the state police would not make such a statement publicly-- it is highly unlikely that a missing person is alive--if their evidence did not show that to be true. That makes no sense.

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    12. What S. McCausland said was;
      "We believe that it is highly unlikely that Ayla Reynolds will be FOUND alive".

      If she was abducted it is highly unlikely that she will be found alive.

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    13. Why should I stand up for the DiPietros? They have had plenty of opportunities to speak up for a beautiful, little girl named Ayla, yet they choose not to. Ayla is the victim here--not three grown adults who are capable of defending themselves. What does defending the DiPietros or Courtney Roberts have to do with questioning your comments? For you to assume that the MSP doesn't have "much to go on" because they are conducting their investigation close to the vest is illogical, in my opinion.

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    14. What you are saying is redundant because the MSP has implied and stated several times that an abduction is not part of their investigation. Therefore, if the MSP is conducting their investigation under the premises that an abduction did not take place, and their conclusion is that Ayla is highly unlikely to be found alive, then your statement, "If she was abducted it is highly unlikely that she will be found alive," is pointless.

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    15. Anon 1:34am, so it's hunky dory for you or anyone else to accuse others as long as you agree and it's against the DiPietros? Double standard. Don't call me on things you aren't calling everyone on. Okay? Okay.

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    16. Michelle, my comments have not had anything to do with accusing the DiPietros of anything. Where is my double standard? I have discussed what the Maine State Police have said, and my own observations based on that.

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    17. If you anonymous posters would pick a friggin name, we might be able to tell if we're talking to the same one or not.

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    18. Good idea, Michelle. :)

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  5. Does anyone in the DiPietro family read this blog, or do they get the information that is shared here second hand?

    I look forward to your future posts Katie. Thank you.

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  6. There would be no reason that the paternal family would stand by their claim that Ayla was taken from their home if LE had showed them the same photos and evidence that Trista has seen. I wasn't sure if she was talking about family members that were not in the home that night,if they were show the photos would they believe there wasn't a kidnapping or if she was talking about the whole family.

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  7. Like Michelle, I thank you Katie for your post, and valuable time.
    I too look forward to your future post.

    I think perhaps the 2 families are shown the same evidence, but for reasons only known to LE, what it reveals is explained differently.
    Or perhaps understood differently by the 2 families.

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  8. Was there a problem with my comment?
    I'll try reposting it.

    Like others, I thank you Katie for posting, and look forward to future post.

    I think perhaps that MSP has shown the same evidence to both families.
    For whatever reasons they may have, MSP explained the evidence differently to the two families. ??
    Or that the two families, interpreted it differently.

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    1. The MSP will do what they have to do to solve a case. It won't always make sense to the general public. They have a job to do and it's highly unlikely that we know what they are doing and when. They let out what they want to let out and in a manner they want to release it. The question is, what do they know that they haven't told anyone. I think that they are working hard on this case.

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  9. I think the LE does whatever it needs to do to get the job done. So unless one person was as both showings of evidence to the two families, there is no way of us knowing whether it was the same or different.

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  10. What happened to Ayla?
    1.) Ayla wandered out of the house on her own in the cold dark night and eventually fell into the close-by rushing river. (River searches.)

    2.) Ayla was kidnapped by Trista, or a friend or relative of Trista's, and is hidden away safe and sound, at some unknown location.(Justin told Trista that he was filing for parental rights.)

    3.) Ayla was secreted away by Justin, Phoebe, or friend of the family and is being hidden to keep her from Trista. (Trista filed for parental rights the day before and DiPietros learned of it through their DHHS friend.)

    4.) Ayla was stolen away in the night by a person who was watching the house, probably looking into Phoebe's windows from time to time, and who saw a toddler alone that night in a bedroom and took Ayla out of the house for perverted sexual purposes. (Phoebe worried about the see-through curtains on the bedroom window.)

    5.) Same scenario as above, only this person wanted a baby desperately, saw Ayla on several occasions going in and out of the house with Justin, cased the house, stalking the toddler. One night person saw a chance to take Ayla. (Ayla was the only toddler in the house sleeping in a room by herself. The rest of the toddlers were snug and safe with their mommies that night. Only Ayla was alone.)

    6.) Justin or one of the others in the house was drinking and stumbled with Ayla down the basement steps causing Ayla to be hurt. While they were waiting to sober up, Ayla succumbed to her injuries. (Stumbling and falling on Ayla had happened before in that house within two months time. Too risky to call 911.)

    Which scenario do you think is the most likely one from those above?
    What other scenario do you propose happened to Ayla?

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    1. Anon 4:58, #6 is the only one you suggested that is possible, given the blood evidence. But I don't think someone fell on her; I think someone lashed out a her in anger/frustration and caused internal injury. The amount of blood and its varied locations suggest a protracted dying process.

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    2. No one in the house has a history of violence that we know of... Why do you think that she was lashed out at? We have no confirmation on location of blood or amount so how can this be a factor? I'm trying to understand this...

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    3. We have some confirmation the blood was more than a small cut and LE doesn't think she will be found alive,I think it could be a factor.

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    4. Many people have died at the hands of someone who never lashed out at anyone. Just because there is no history (that we know of) doesn't mean violence can't happen. Lack of history is no proof someone won't suddenly become violent.

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    5. tell me more - "No one in the house has a history of violence that we know of..."
      Lance's beat down of JL is violence. Justin was there. He did nothing to stop it therefore condoning it through his lack of action. Lance may have been defending his family, or whatever, but violence is violence no matter who it's directed at or why it's directed at them.

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    6. Tell me more,

      There are many indications and some will believe they mean something, others not. What did Phoebe say about hearing Ayla was missing? She expected Justin would be kicking in doors. Look at the repairs to the walls in their home- might that be evidence of fists through the wall? The texts show an angry man disparaging Trista; Ayla lived in that house 59 days and had a broken arm, then "disappeared" in a mythical kidnapping leaving behind lots of blood that someone cleaned up. The big picture looks a lot more like a rage act than an accident. The former could have been reported and an ambulance summoned.

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    7. I just don't believe that the people in that house would have summoned an ambulance if Ayla was dead, either from an accident or a rage-induced "lesson". Ayla was beyond help but these people are suvivors. In their minds, what good would it do to report Ayla's accident and have one or all go under suspicion and maybe a lot more.

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    8. I do agree that Justin appeared to be a very angry person, but we can't ignore what Trista appeared to be either: an alcoholic, drug addict, loose woman who rarely, if ever, took care of her children.

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    9. I just can't buy into this bullshit theory that everybody in the house would cover up Ayla's death. It isn't rational and it doesn't make sense. And in the words of Judge Judy, if something doesn't make sense it's because it didn't happen.

      Either Justin harmed Ayla on his own, accidentally or intentionally, and covered it up, allowing his family to believe Ayla has actually been missing this entire time OR Ayla actually has gone missing and nobody in that house knows what happened.

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    10. Not sure about it being a bullshit theory, it's just a theory like so many others.

      If the people at the house feel guilty, I can see them covering up. There are a lot of scenarios where the three in that house would cover for one or the other. Whether they happened that way or not is another thing.

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    11. And I call bullshit on that. There is no way that all three of the individuals involved in the so-called cover-up are all sociopaths and that is what they would have to be to cover up such a thing.

      Like I said, it's a bullshit theory and likely there is no truth to it.

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    12. You don't have to be a sociopath to cover up, you just have to feel threatened.

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    13. Anonymous 9:08 pm, are you truly familiar with the characteristics of a sociopath? I suspect not. I have a background in psychology, and what you are saying is simply not true. Covering up a crime--any crime for that matter--does not make one a sociopath! I can't help but wonder where that notion came from?

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    14. Yes I am and the chances of 3 people covering up the death of a child is slim to none. Keep reaching.

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    15. Obviously not what LE believes, considering they have stated that Ayla is not likely to be found alive and that an abduction did not happen. So obviously, someone is covering up.

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  11. ...we can't ignore what Trista appeared to be either: an alcoholic, drug addict, loose woman who rarely, if ever, took care of her children"

    Hmm, (supposed) locals posting from Waterville about Phoebe have said this about her life. She has round heels, like to frequrnt the bars and went to bed with all sorts. She didn't take care of her kids and even at Ayla's age, they were allowed to roam the projects at will, being fed by the neighbors. Phoebe also had three kids from three different fathers and was heavily indebted to state resources.

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    1. And once again, you're deflecting.

      Trista has three kids from three different fathers as well. Actually, only two since she lost the third while neglecting her to use drugs and have sex.

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    2. Anonymous 9:09, exactly! She also has friends and family members who have proven to be more than willing to be violent and break the law. Yet, we are only allowed to hear about Justin and his friends and family.

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    3. Never one known to defend Trista, but I don't think her lifestyle issues (hopefully all in the past) led to the loss of Ayla. I never believed Trista was responsible...if she were a suspect, she wouldn't haven't retained custody of Ray, IMO.

      And if Ayla's blood was found in copious amounts in various parts of the home, I believe Gabby would have been long removed.

      The "fucked up" gene appears to run in both families (Reynolds and DiPietro).

      My issue has always been on where all this "information" (eg hearsay) springs from, and why the source is deemed accurate and reliable by many when it is not confirmed by LE.

      As I stated previously, I'll be the first to offer my apology to Jeff when his "information" is confirmed as true by LE. And I'll understand his rejection of my apology. But I can live with that far better than living with calling a possible innocent a "baby killer."

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    4. I have relatives that have three children with three different fathers. So what? They are perfectly fine parents. You say Trista has three children by different fathers, like that automatically makes her bad.

      Justin has two children (that we know of) with two different mothers. I guess that makes him evil, too.

      From what I saw of Ayla before she went into Justin's care (if you can call it that), Ayla looked like a perfectly well taken care of, happy child. How many broken bones did she get in Trista's care during her 9 months in the womb and 16 months of Trista's care?

      How many broken bones did she get on Justin's 8 week watch?

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    5. As far as I've learned...one broken bone...in her arm...that did not require surgery.

      I've seen PLENTY of pictures of a happy Ayla during her Violette Ave. stay. Running in the yard. Reading with Phoebe. On Lance's lap.

      The iconic picture of Ayla used by the press in her pink dress, drool on her dress, sparkling blue eyes, and a smile that tugs at the heart...that was issued by the DiPietros because it was one of the most recent pictures before she went missing.

      Who the fuck takes pictures of an unloved and unwelcomed child?

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    6. Sorry...I misread your comment.

      As far as I know, Ayla suffered NO broken bones in Trista's care. And a single broken bone in Justin's care. Chief Massey declared the arm break as an "accident" and I have yet to hear that comment recanted.

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    7. McKee, how can you suspect the information and not the source? One way or another this information is coming from trista. Either she is lying to Jeff or Jeff is lying on her behalf. Why would an innocent mother need to lie?

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    8. I don't know what information originates from Trista and what information is Jeff's creation. I know that when Jeff is caught, he blames it on Trista...

      Sure...he'll take responsibility for the posting, but he makes sure to note that Trista "misconstured" the details.

      There is a misconception floating out there that I harbor a deep hatred towards Jeff. Not true. I will grill ANYONE that claims to have "inside" information and shares it on a blog. I find it reckless and irresponsible, especially when you are toying with the lives of others.

      LE told Trista/Jeff that Justin and Derek took that trip to Portland on the morning of December 17 to dispose of Ayla's body? You know...the trip that never happened.



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    9. IMO, Jeff was playing a dangerous game with the release of that falese information.

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    10. Jeff is tristas official spokesman. Everything he does is on her behalf. IIRC both Tori and obscure have released inside information on this case, but you have no issues with them, do you?

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    11. Please link me to where I have ever expressed belief in Tori or Obscure's emails.

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    12. McKeeKitty has had issue with me before and info I released, I say this only in fairness, before I left u4a months ago she openly questioned me on the blog about info I released.

      I am not trying to undercut the point you are trying to make however, just wanted to say she has had issue with me before

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    13. or "inside" information?

      I thought Jeff was the "family" spokesman...not Trista's.

      Anyway, it is clear you and Jeff have this all figured out. Good for you!!!!



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    14. Hey...thanks for the validation, Tori. And thank you for making it clear that I don't like the bullshit from EITHER side.

      It was kind of you of to step out of the shadows on this issue.

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    15. I know I am not as active in commenting as I should be but do read the comments :)

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    16. I didn't say you believed the emails, texts or inside information. My point is you must not have an issue with their motives, yet you clearly do with Jeff, while at the same time claiming you don't believe Trista had anything to do with aylas disappearance. What other reason would Jeff or Trista have to lie about? What other motive could they possibly have?

      If the dipietros are lying about the abduction, we can safely assume it would be to cover up their involvement in aylas disappearance. What does it mean when Trista lies about the exact same thing?

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    17. McKee, I don't think the issue is whether Ayla was "loved" or "welcome." Abusers who thrive on attention often "love" the child they abuse. They make take plenty of photos and seem proud when showing off the child in public. The problems surface when the hard work of childrearing with its not always pleasant demands isn't gratifying and is demanding.

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    18. Correct analysis. Just take a look at all of the "happy family" pics of Kyron Horman on the stepmonster, Terri Hprman's Facebook page.....

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    19. 3 children from 3 different fathers IS bad. Kinda slutty. Don't ya think?

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    20. I don't make judgements about people's characters when I don't know them. Three children with three different fathers, it happens to good people all the time. I always love how they call the girl a slut, but the guys are some kind of studs. I know people who have children with different fathers, very decent citizens and parents. But I'm sure you are just perfect, huh, Anon 5:52PM ?

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    21. AnonymousMarch 13, 2013 at 5:52 PM said:

      "3 children from 3 different fathers IS bad. Kinda slutty. Don't ya think?"

      First of all, how many children Trista has and with who doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Ayla disappeared from her paternal grandmother's home while in the care of her biological father. Phoebe's grown children apparently, (unless I missed it somehow), don't even know who their three different biological fathers are. Does that make Phoebe a bad person? I don't think so. As the poster stated above--it happens to good people all of the time. How is dwelling on Trista's love life going to bring justice to Ayla? I feel that it is merely an attempt at deflection on your part.

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  12. Where is Jeff's new blog?

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    1. Jeff was contributing here and on United4ayla.com but has stepped back from blogging and the only site he currently has is www.aylareynolds.com

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  13. Katie, who is the source for your comment " Now for the real stuff.

    Apparently LE is not sharing the same information with both families."

    Did the Dipietros state that somewhere?

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  14. I think a few defenders of Justin are quite jealous of Trista. The enmity for her from some just simmers on all blogs devoted to defending him. I'm betting that the Trista haters are not really that way because they truly believe Trista took Ayla. Or even because Trista blames Justin (sort of, now and then) for Ayla's "abduction".

    No, I think they hate Trista because they can't stand to think of Justin giving Trista what they would dearly love to have themselves...his "studly" (Refer to Courtney R.) romantic attentions. In other cruder words: his loose dick.(Pause for Puke.)

    The bride-in-waiting, Courtney Roberts, doesn't seem to bother the Justin fans as much. But we don't hear much praise from the fans about her, either. In fact, she's rather a nonentity for the time being that the fans can ignore.

    However, watch to see if the DiPietros throw CR under the bus. I predict that the JD fans hating on Trista will help Justin drive the big Greyhound over Courtney's body, as they have tried to drive Trista under it.

    Gosh, what a mighty effort expended to get Trista out of the picture and into the clink! If only LE had cooperated and sniffed suspicious air around Trista! Alas, LE actually complimented her efforts to keep Ayla's name before the public.

    It's probably good that Justin's first baby momma wants nothing to do with Justin and stays with her son far from him in some anonymity. If she was visible at all, another misguided woman to have mixed it up with Peachy would be next on the Justin fans' hit list.

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    1. Oh crap. You figured us out.

      Or not.

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    2. Walks and talks and looks like a duck...must be a... duck, Michelle!

      Ah, but perhaps you're one of the exceptions to the lovelorn Justy brigade. I think you are just righteously in Peachy's corner. Don't think you've expressed the intense hatred for Trista as have others for months on Obscure's blog. And now, here. Another door another chance to spew that venom.

      You have tried to be objective within your narrow range of believing in your friend. Also, you've expressed some concern for Ayla's welfare since you believe she is alive. Many posters in Obscure's blog, and now here, are so obsessed with Trista that it can only mean, not an objective concern for justice for Justin or a desire to see Trista punished for taking Ayla, but an overwhelming hatred mixed with fire and brinstone for a person they usually profess not to know.

      If you've followed the Haleigh Cummings case, you can see the paralles with this one, unfortunately. A little girl goes missing; Daddy says he passed the poly with "flying colors" (actually he failed); Daddy mesmerizes a lot of women into defending him including Miz Nancy Grace. He's got that good ol' boy southern "charm".

      Ronald Cummings is really a low-level drug dealer and general abuser of women who hides behind the women in his family for alibis. Women online go ga-ga over Daddy Cumings southern "charm" and defend him to the last tooth. Meanwhile, Haleigh is still :missing".

      The only differences I can see in the two cases is that Justin had never been proven to be a drug dealer and he has no "charm". Southern or otherwise.

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    3. Sounds a little bit like jealousy on your part. You do have a right to your narrow minded opinion though, so more power to you. Hope you get the opportunity to prove your statement, then we can say sorry we didn't believe you. If it goes the other way apology accepted.:)

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    4. And they say it never happens. It happens way too often. Family kills child, hides child and lies. No morals, no sense of right or wrong, no caring about anyone but themselves. When will people stop excusing their bad behavior?

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    I really don't see why people hang on every word Jeff comes out with. The Sentinel and other local news papers tell you, LE will not confirm what he says or writes.
    www.myfoxboston.com/.../family-of-ayla-reynolds-evidence-suggest...

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    1. Law enforcement would never confirm what any outsider says. They only confirm what they say. Jeff isn't any different in that respect. LE will even tell you when they give you information, we will tell you this, but we will not confirm it publicly. Why is everyone so surprised by LE not confirming? They have not denied what he's said, either and that to me is much more telling.

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    2. Then they should confirm that they told Jeff or deny they told him that. They had no problem telling the Boston news they never said Ayla was deceased.

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    3. Dana, I want to be as respectful to you as I can. As I reacall you usually don't engage in the deflections from Ayla's case to constantly target Trista.

      Have you studied any missing children's cases? Did you ever come across a father, or that matter a family, who acts like Justin and later was proven to be innocent?

      Ed Smart is often mentioned as an example of a suspiciously acting father, but if you followed the Smart case, Ed Smart and Justin Di Pietro are not made from the same cloth. Ed Smart just never gave up in keeping his child's name before the public, and pleading for people to look for her. Of course, through Elizabeth's sister who was a witness to her kidnapping, we learned the girl had been kidnapped.

      You do know that behaviors of parents in these situations have been studied, evaluated and published as guidelines for law enforcement agencies? LE has to clear the parents first. Why? Because there is an established history of parents killing their children by accident or design and reporting their children missing. It's just what is.

      Have you done any extensive reading on these types of cases?

      I do not think posters who say they believe that something happened to Ayla, in that house under the care of those people, that resulted in her death are just spitting in the wind.

      Justin, Elisha's and Courtney's odd behavior fits in with the profile of parents who have something to hide. LE has stated this more than one occasion.

      If what the DiPietros are trying to hide has nothing to do with Ayla being missing, they would tell the whole truth to LE in the interest of finding the child.

      When Danielle Van Damm went missing from her home, Brenda Van Damm confessed that she and her husband were swingers, but she didn't try to conceal that fact. She let her whole life be opened to scathing inspection from the public, much like what has been applied to Trista on blogs, in order to find Danielle.

      You say you only go by what LE says. You parse their words very thoroughtly. But then often you say the polar opposite. Or you say that LE is not telling the truth or is misleading the public. Why?

      I guess because the FBI, the Waterville police, and the MSP have it "in " for Justin. They just don't like him and so have targeted him as main suspect for his daughter's disappearance without any proof.

      What do you think happened to Ayla? You once indicated that you are a man. Step up to the plate, man! Why would Justin act to provoke LE into saying that he alonq with Elisha and Courtney are not telling all they know?

      If one of your children went missing out of your home, and you truly believed she was kidnapped, how would you react? Would you feel panic, anxiety, concern for her welfare? As an innocent father, would you withhold anything from the Law when your child was missing?

      Would you honestly care what anybody said about you in the face of your child going missing? Would you hunker down for months and refuse all offers of interviews to keep you child's name in the forefront of the news? Would you say nil because you've said it all and people suspect you and that's not fair.

      That's pouting. It might be funny in almost every other circumstance except when a child goes "poof".

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    4. AnonymousMarch 13, 2013 at 8:22 PM, your post was extremely respectful. I agree with everything you wrote. I am familiar with the cases you describe and several others. I don't know any of the characters in this case, and I have looked at it from all sides, as you have obviously done as well. I appreciate your careful wording, obvious intelligence, and straightforwardness. There will always be a group supportive of Justin; that is just the way these missing children cases play out.

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    5. Anon March 13, 2013 8:22PM

      Extremely well said. Your comments are right on point. What you said is also what has gone through my mind over and over again. I just cannot logically conclude that Ayla was kidnapped. Everything I read or see points to something happening to her inside the Dipietro home. They know, they just aren't saying.

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    6. Dana B. makes the point that Le has not confirmed anything Jeff has said. They haven't denied anything he has said, either. Jeff corrected his post on the trip to Portland on the morning of the 17th, though, which he stated was not true and trista had mistaken what LE had said.

      Le HAS corrected something that Justin said, though.

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  16. No I have not done a lot of research. No I would not be silent. I also feel there are times when LE can't come up with anything conclusive and go fishing. I have not read before where detectives take aside a step grandfather and tell him we know your step granddaughter is dead and we know 3 people who were in the house and aren't telling all they know. Then tell him to blurt it out to the world on the internet. It does not seem to be the logical thing to do in my opinion. They have not named a person of interest or a suspect. When they do I will deal with that part of it, but I am not going to say someone murdered a child and disposed of the body with out a witness to the fact or a confession. You can do all the reading and studying up on the subject you want, it does not make you right in every case. There are always exceptions to the rule. I cannot crawl in Justins mind and see if he is lying and neither can you. I am 3000 miles from Maine and only know what I read here. I don't know if Justin is speaking out on facebook as I do not have an account. He has not been on any local tv channels since early on in the case. How he deals with this is his way, it doesn't fit my way, people deal with things differently. You would have to ask him I guess. Respectfully yours, Dana B. ps if we can't be respectful then we need to take a time out. I have done that before also when frustrated when someone couldn't see my side. Hopefully I am getting better.

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  17. Thank you, Dana B. from 3000 miles away from Maine. I appeciate your answer. I have to disagree when you say "There are always exceptions to the rule. I cannot crawl in Justin's mind and see if he is lying and neither can you."

    My whole post was centered on the fact that there are forensic studies conducted on how innocent parents behave in cses like this. The circumstances surrounding each missing child case can be different, but not every case IS different in the expected "normal" reactions of innocent parents. Their actions and statements fall pretty much under expected prestablished norms. Norms determined through extensive study of cases on record.

    These studies were done by a myriad of agencies vested in helping LE clear the parents right away so that LE can move on to others who may be involved. Marc Klass has extensive research in this area from his Org., Klass Kids. But his organization is only one of many relying on these studies of parents of missing children.

    About Justin lying: he and his companions that night have evidently lied to LE about something which LE can prove is a lie or an omission or a withholding of evidence. Their story doesn't pass the "straight-face test" according to LE. LE has said this in many other statements, in many other ways. They have never said anything remotely like that about trista or any of her relatives.

    LE rarely names a person under suspicion as being a POI or a suspect, now, because that is the point when lawyers step in and the POI shuts up on advice from attorneys. I know you know that fact if you have follwed any other recent LE investigations. They want the POIs and suspects to have a feeling of safety so that they continue speaking. Justin and his relatives and girlfriend shut down early without being named POIs.

    You and I are not on the scene. You are correct. We did not inspect the house and grounds for two weeks and take away "100 pieces of evidence". Nor did we forensically inspect Justin's and Courtney's cars for three weeks. Nor did we collect blood evidence of Ayla's about which the DiPietro family gave conflicting stories.

    Do you believe that it is possible that some parents can inflict harm on their children causing death? Is that a workable scenario for you 3000 miles away?

    Or don't you believe that parents would ever be guilty of inflicting damage on their kids? Do you believe that anybody would cover up or lie for a relative who did harm to a child? Is that off the table as a possibility in your experience?

    Just trying to figure out where you are coming from.

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    1. Yes I believe parents can inflict harm on their children causing death. I believe a relative would try to cover up for a person doing harm,but murder is a bit of a stretch. Also a girlfriend is a hard belief. I just have trouble calling Justin a murderer with what we have for facts LE has given. Even Jeff has said and this is a quote Tori, It is a common misconception that I think Justin is 100% guilty. For the most part, I have been relaying the information I have heard from Trista and MSP.. but I still have reasonable doubt.

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    2. Dana B., Since no one knows what really happened in that house that night, we don't know what they are covering up. IF the three in the house were involved in what happened to Ayla and they are lying about that, what else are they lying about? If we can't trust their story about Ayla, can we trust their story about what they were doing that evening? Or anything else they say? How can one find the truth, if lies are the basis of conclusions?

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    3. You will notice you have used a very big word in your statement, IF. That word does not make anything a fact. The only thing we can do is wait for the facts to come out.

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      anon, re: "My whole post was centered on the fact that there are forensic studies conducted on how innocent parents behave in cses like this. The circumstances surrounding each missing child case can be different, but not every case IS different in the expected "normal" reactions of innocent parents." I would be interested to see links about these studies. I am curious also - Natalee Holloway's mother fought when her ex husband went to court to have Natalee declared deceased 7 years later. Sierra LeMar's mother refused to believe her daughter was deceased without her body, even after a man was arrested for her murder. What is "the norm" for innocent mothers?

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    5. May I suggest you do your own research. Whatever anybody puts on here, you would go withyour own
      preconceived notions of your own about Justin's innocence. You'd believe your own research. Google is your friend. Read what exploited and missing children's orgs. have to say. Look up studies under this topic. There are alo books by experts in this fields available to you. I gave you one link, but you should definitely explore further links.

      Justin is probably your friend and it is hard for you to believe that he could harm Ayla in any way. I, myself, do not think Justin is a murderer, i.e. Ayla's death was carefully planned. No, I think it is something that he and his family would call an "accident", whether caused by him or someone else in the house. But also something that would be hard to explain to LE given the circumstances that went before her disappearance with the broken arm, pulled leg muscle, etc. Those two injuries are on file. The bruising I can't comment on. I am surprised that adults would let kicking toddlers continue to pummel each other on camera! What fun.

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    6. Anon 3:28

      You can have all the studies in the world about what is "normal" behavior and still have some who will not fit that "normal" catagory.

      I can't and won't judge someone guilty of something because they don't fit a statistic. I don't understand how anyone can do that.

      You have a few things wrong...Justin & Courtney's cars were kept for 9 or 10 days, not three weeks.

      The DiPietro family has not given conflicting stories about Ayla's blood. The only comment that Justin made about it was...that yes, Ayla's blood was found in my home. None of the DiPietro family has made any other comment about Ayla's blood.

      Adults did NOT let kicking toddlers contiue to pummel one another on camera.
      The only adult there was Elisha, and the toddler kicking was Gabby, nnd Elisha DID correct her. I suggest you watch the video with sound...it is out there.

      I am not a friend of Justin's, don't knowe him, or his family.

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    7. Dana B. The IF was place there purposely. It is all a big IF. Isn't that what theory and speculation is?

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    8. Oh and if we must wait for the facts to come out, what's the point of the blog? :)

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      anon - if you're talking to me, I have no preconceived ideas of Justin's innocence. I have maintained that I don't presume to know what happened. I have considered many possibilities, and still do. I don't know anyone involved with Ayla, nor would I want to. I asked a question based on your extensive research which it seems you do not want to answer. Truthfully, I don't care how people "normally" react - it seems pretty clear to me that these people are outside the "norm." However, if you're going to state facts about how people are supposed to behave in this situation, please include the other "side" as well.

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    10. AnonymousMarch 14, 2013 at 2:19 PM, regarding your comment--early on, wasn't there something said about Phoebe cutting her foot in the basement given as an explanation for the blood found? I just vaguely remember something about, but I don't recall where it was said.

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    11. "What is "the norm" for innocent mothers?"

      Are you familiar with the Kyron Horman case? If not, (which I highly doubt), it is the biggest missing person case in Oregon history. Do you believe that Desiree Young is innocent of any involvement in her son, Kyron's, disappearance? Desiree has clearly stated more than once that she believes that Kyron is deceased. Law enforcement has never stated that it is "highly unlikely" that Kyron will be found alive either. Maybe, sometimes a mother just KNOWS that her child is gone. Have you ever considered that? Besides, Ayla "disappeared" from Justin's home, and LE has ruled out any possibility of a kidnapping in Ayla's disappearance. Therefore, your constant digs at Trista mean nothing; Trista is not even a de facto person of interest in this case.

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    12. Friggin Name I thought it was to keep Aylas name out there no.1. To discuss facts given no.2. It has turned into a scenario game for some. One scenario for you is if Ayla was hurt or died in the basement there is a chance she is still there. They could have taken the stove pipe from the furnace out and put a rope down to the clean out door. The stove pipe is usually 4 and 1/2 to 5 feet from the floor.Tie the rope around and under the arms of the body. Then with help from one of the others pull the body up into the chimney, just high enough so the feet are not visible from the clean out door. Then place an open container of ammonia in the clean out door so the dogs could not detect the body. The furnace would still work as the pipe is not blocked off. Do you see how cruel and stupid a lot of these scenarios sound. What good does it do other than occupy your time to come up with your own solution? No one other than the people who were there know if she was hurt there or not.

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      I am not a crime enthusiast and don't follow every case. I have no opinion on Desiree Young. Using your example we have 2 extremely different ways of dealing with a missing child - Desiree Young and Trista Reynolds behaving similarly then Beth Holloway and Marlene LaMar behaving similarly - if there are established norms for motherly behavior, which two are doing it correctly?

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    14. I thought it was to keep Aylas name out there no.1. To discuss facts given no.2.

      While I do not see any stated purpose for this blog, it is common on blogs to have discussions. It is nice that we have some facts to go on, discussions aren't very productive or enjoyable if one cannot speculate and state theories. Oh we aren't about to solve any crime here, but it's good to see what people think.

      If you want to just discuss facts and just keep Ayla's name, perhaps you won't enjoy this blog so much.

      What good does it do other than occupy your time to come up with your own solution?

      What good does it do for you to spend your time telling how I should spend mine? I happen to enjoy trying to come up with how a crime happens, how it's solved. I also enjoy studying what people do and why, so a blog is perfect fit for me.

      But not sure what you get out of it!

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  18. Major Risk Factors for Young Children Which May Lead to their Abuse or Death

    * Younger children, especially under the age of five.
    * Parents or caregivers who are under the age of 30.
    * Low income, single-parent families experiencing major stresses.
    * Children left with male caregivers who lack emotional attachment to the child.
    * Children with emotional and health problems.
    * Lack of suitable childcare.
    * Substance abuse among caregivers.
    * Parents and caregivers with unrealistic expectations of child development and behavior

    From: http://www.childdeathreview.org/causesCAN.htm

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    1. Scary just how many of those categories would be true for Ayla.

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    2. Even the best parent under just normal stress can lose it, especially with those in the terrible twos. Justin had a few more things to worry about. Justin was not used to being with a child that age. How much experience of caretaking did he experience with his toddler niece? Wasn't he out of Phoebe's home during most of Gabby's upbringing by Elisha?

      And now, he's back from a free and easy like with buddies in Portland to Phoebe's very small house with two and sometimes three toddlers, and charged with bringin up a lively and sometimes difficult toddler coupled with an angry attitude towards the toddler's mother whose personal circumstances have saddled him with a kid he never wanted.

      A toddler, most likely Phoebe wanted him to obtain custody of so that she would not have to pay child support to Trista as mandated by the state.

      Justinis not used to kids and isn't around his son as he and his son's mother have no relationship at all, not even the tumultous one he seems to share with Trista.

      Did Justin baby-sit Ayden while Courtney was at school? We've heard nothing about it, if he did. More than likely her baby-sitting fees were paid for by the state, as isn't she on some state mandated road to her Master's? Or perhaps Brianna watched Ayden. We have no clue. But Justin was nominally in charge of Ayla and it was a new thing for him as far as we know.

      Given the rosy circumstances and things going well, Justin would probably have been a perfectly acceptable fuzzy-wuzzy Daddy. Didn't Tori say his roommates in Portland commented that Justin seemed proud of Ayla when he brought Ayla around?

      But did Justin have the day-to day 24 hour experience with Ayla in Portland or in Waterville? Didn't we read of some lady who baby-sat Ayla? Did Elisha and Phoebe pick up the Ayla chore when they weren't working? Then, on that Friday night, one night, perhaps after a little too much imbibing, Justin lost it with Ayla.

      Perhaps, she would not settle down like Ayden and go to sleep so he and Courtney could have some adult time. Maybe some harder discipline had to be used. And with strained nerves, that discipline went too far.

      Also, could Justin have stumbled again holding Ayla and both fell down the basement stairs?

      Justin's face in photographs on that Sunday in front of his house looked as if he had sustained a swollen and cut lip and bruise across a somewhat swollen nose. Then he was out of circulation for the first two weeks of the hunt for Ayla, only giving a written statement as read by the police.

      It's just a thought, but compare his close-up picture with the full beard, the first one we saw of him, to later photos with a somwhat trimmed beard. He looks like a different fellow...and not just from the absence of some of the Grizzley Adams beard. he was banged up.

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    3. "A toddler, most likely Phoebe wanted him to obtain custody of so that she would not have to pay child support to Trista as mandated by the state"

      I've never understood how others reach the conclusion that Phoebe would be, or even willing to pay child support for Justin.
      She isn't in any way responsible, as Justin is over 18.
      Are there many mothers out there paying child support for their children overt 18?

      If my son had a child, and not living with the mother, yes I would deffinitely encourage him to be involved in that child's life. If the mother was having difficulty caring for the child, yes I would encourage my son to take responsibility and care for the child.
      I would NOT be paying his child support however.

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    4. But you nor I know if Phoebe was paying his child support. Perhaps she didn't want him to get in arrears, after all doesn't she work for the state? It's not pretty when you owe back support, unless you have a payment plan, they start taking licenses away. If she was the rescuer type (as it seems most women around Justin are) I can see her paying his debts.

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    5. Besides, didn't Justin have two children to support?

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  19. Well, was Justin working? If he was not and he retained custody...and posession seems to be nine-tenths of the law in some custody cases...would he not receive either state aid, or Trista/s payments to him?

    I am not familiar with Maine state aid to dependent mothers/fathers, but it seems likely that Justin with possession of Ayla would receive some benefits like the ones at least that Trista received from the state for Ayla. Phoebe was in the middle of his getting custody and I can't see a grandmother who saw Ayla only once before she came to live in Waterville, as being to "into" the kiddo. But if Justin was dependent on Phoebe, she might have to cough up some money to the state for back payments which Trista had been receiving.

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    1. Parents are not responsible for the debts of their children if they are over 18. Phoebe was not, is not, responsible for any debts of Justin's.

      I don't know about state aid in Maine. I assume that if Justin had custody of Ayla he would be elligible for any federal aid programs that he meets the requirements for, such as food stamps and WIC for Ayla.

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    2. No they aren't responsible, but sometimes they step in and pay them anyway. I see Phoebe as a rescuer and rescuers jump in and, well rescue. Justin was probably used to his mommy bailing him out.

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  20. Amazing how some commenters seem to have missed the point of this post, how our own ways of being and experiences color our opinions and how we interact on the blog. Rather some saw it as another opportunity to present there one right way, all others are wrong, deceitful, hateful, hurtful to Trista, friends with Justin, and jealous. Those are some of the descriptions of those who don't follow the way. I may not agree with a side, opinion, or theory but respect that not everyone agrees with mine either.

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  21. First off Katie don't hand the job off to anyone you are doing fine. Jeff thank you for what you can add, if I don't always buy 100% of it do not be offended. Tori thank you for giving us another place to come and talk. Everyone else my intention is not to insult you or offend anyone. I will also try to check my temper at the door when here. That said there is a lot of speculation out there and it is very frustrating for everyone. LE may believe Justin is guilty and when they can prove it they will state so. I also think they have come up with more scenarios than anyone here. The thing is scenarios are not fact and we should not take it that you believe yours is. In the heat of discussion sometimes I forget that. It is mainly that most scenarios people have come up with leave Ayla in a condition I do not want to be true, even if in the end she is. I know the prognosis does not look good and I agree, but I want to hold on to hope for now. If Ayla was kidnapped by someone a stranger then it could be worse because she is still going through it. If like Jeff said the end happened early on she is indeed in a brighter place. I just want for her to be able to come home to her parent(s) and be loved. I will hold on to this dream until LE finds her where ever she is. Maybe this helps explain where I am coming from.

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  22. Has anyone else noticed that KATIE doesn't answer any questions asked of her after posting her submission? Why is that? Katie, why don't you answer some of these very respectfully posted questions from commentators on here?

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    1. Katie has children, goes to school, and works. She responds when she has the time. Some have more time than others to blog, whether by commenting or writing. Her husband was also in a car accident today and I think her time is better spent with her own family right now then here on the blog. When Katie has the time and has an answer, I am sure she will answer what questions she can

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    2. Tori, my condolences to Katie. The questions were asked of her prior to her contributions and comments on the last submission.

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    3. Tori tell Katie my wife and I are keeping her husband and family in our prayers.

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    4. I understand and that was why I explained why she answers sometimes and doesn't other times, she really may not see all the comments on older posts once new ones go up unless she catches them on the ticker, I am the only one who gets comments directly to my email.

      I am sure once she sees this and if she has an answer to a question, she will answer it. For the record, her husband is okay thankfully

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