Thursday, March 7, 2013

The Drug Theory

From early on in this case, maybe even before Briana Robert's drug arrest, there have been rumors floating around that Ayla could have died as a result of a drug overdose from ingesting drugs in the house. There have been comments from people claiming there was a "bath salts party" at the house the night Ayla reported missing and that Justin was a street level dealer. There has even been speculation following Chelsea Hoffman's interview with Trista and her claim that Justin barricaded himself in the bathroom before police arrived that morning because he was flushing drugs. When the retracted report that Justin and Derek travelled to Portland the morning Ayla was reported missing it was to dispose of drugs before calling police to report Ayla missing.

Early on I dismissed the drug theories. The only tie to drugs on the side of the paternal family was that after Ayla was reported missing, Justin's girlfriend's sister was arrested with a substantial amount of drugs. I don't believe her arrest was a coincidence. I think that LE was made aware of the drug dealing out of the house while investigating Ayla's disappearance but to assume Justin was involved with drugs because of this is farfetched. If my brother's girlfriend used and sold drugs why would that mean I was involved with drugs in any way, shape or form?

There is no verified evidence that ties Justin to drugs. No previous drug arrests or any arrests for that matter and it doesn't seem likely that he could go for his CDL and not be drug tested at some point. Why shell out money for a course if it was unlikely you would be hired anywhere because you failed a drug screen?

When I reopened this blog, I wanted to create a place where both sides could express their opinions and theories and ask questions and I wanted to remain as objective as possible but what I think happened to Ayla really hasn't changed much, what has changed is my willingness to be tolerant of other's opinions and to stop breeding hate and alienating those who want to help find out what happened to Ayla. I also do not want rumors to be confused as fact and hearsay to be taken as gospel. With that being said, many have decided what they believe and what they don't believe and just as many are on the fence and don't know what to believe yet. Even though objectively what Jeff says is hearsay, I chose to believe what he says or at least I believe he believes what he has reported to be true if he hasn't heard it directly from MSP himself.

With the news of Trista meeting with MSP and shown evidence of what McCausland stated as information a mother should know I got the impression that MSP were sympathetic to Trista. As Jeff stated, Trista was shown items she could not identify as Ayla's but was also shown many photographs of evidence that presumably is what lead MSP to conclude that it is unlikely Ayla will be found alive. It is my belief that the evidence shown to Trista were photographs of places where Ayla's blood was found. If this assumption is correct, blood must have been found in numerous places in the home since Jeff said Trista was shown 30-40 pictures. What bothers me is IF over a cup of blood was found, how much blood was on the pajamas she was wearing and the rags used to clean up the blood that was found using luminol because it was not visible to the naked eye?

IF there was that much blood and the reports from Jeff are to be believed then either Ayla was bleeding quite heavily from a cut or injury externally or from some type of internal injury. If Ayla ingested drugs, they would not cause her to bleed externally unless some sort of trauma followed after she ingested them like for example falling down the stairs. If the blood was a result of internal bleeding it is unlikely that it was from a drug overdose although you can bleed internally from drug poisoning it usually happens over a period of time and unless someone was spoon feeding her drugs for every day she lived with Justin it isn't likely that she would have internal bleeding from drug poisoning. Actually internal bleeding in children is most likely caused by trauma. So if Ayla did get injured in the home that night and it was fatal, I find it hard to believe that it was because of drugs and unfortunately more likely that it was because of some sort of trauma whether accidental or intentional.

All of this is however speculation based off information given from one side of the equation, since LE has never verified the amount of the blood or conclusively said that Ayla is deceased there really is no way of knowing what happened to her and how much of the information we receive secondhand is accurate or not. We can only go with what we hear and what we tend to believe. I tend to believe Jeff because I have had numerous conversations with him and I trust him. I have never been able to talk to Justin or Phoebe or anyone directly involved from the paternal side but many who comment here have and they trust them and believe their version and because LE has given us so little to go on we have no definitive way to know who is right and who is wrong.

There is much regarding this case that I still question and there isn't a day that goes by that I don't think and rethink what I know or think I know. In conclusion though, I do not buy into the drug theories and think that since Ayla's blood likely would have been tested when found that they would have tested it for drugs and up until this point I have not heard mention from LE or from the maternal family that drugs were found in her blood that was found whether it be more than a cupful of blood or more blood than a small cut would produce.




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  1. 30-40 photos.1wasblankets.If all of the rest were actually evidence which led police to believe Ayla is dead, it's hard to fathom what those photos could be other than blood or other body fluids or tissue. Even if some were cleanup materials or implements believed to be involved in Ayla's death, they wouldn't be very compelling if the didn't have Ayla's blood or other DNA on them.

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  2. But if there is that much blood evidence and enough to make them believe she is no longer living, WHY has no one been arrested or, at the very least, brought in for intense questioning in police custody? It seems as if LE has arrested suspects with as much evidence as that with other cases. I just don't buy it. I truly believe it's some sort of tactic.

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    1. That is the million dollar question based on what you believe, I have no reason not to trust Jeff but I also have never conversed with the paternal family so it is all assumption and who you feel is telling the truth. I don't know what happened BUT if Ayla did die and was not abducted I believe drugs had nothing to do with it. I also don't believe the insurance policy was anything but an unfortunate coincidence

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    2. Michelle, I am not at all surprised that LE hasn't YET made an arrest in this case regardless of the blood evidence. The missing link is obviously Ayla. Even with a substantial amount of DNA evidence, all it would take is one jury member with a shred of doubt, and the perpetrator(s) would be acquitted. If I had the extra time, (sorry, finals coming up), I could post several cases in which there is significant evidence and no arrests because the person is still missing and not found.

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    3. I would think that if there was a jury member who had a doubt that Ayla was deceased, then there must not be "unequivocal" proof that she is.

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    4. Anonymous at 2:01 PM, a jury is typically made up of citizens who are not required to be necessarily endowed with a great deal of logical deduction or intelligence, (the Casey Anthony debacle comes to mind). Ideally, one would hope that if law enforcement had enough circumstantial evidence for unequivocal proof that an individual is deceased in lieu of a body, that all members of a jury would be convinced that the said individual is deceased. Unfortunately, in the real world that is simply not the case.

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  3. And on Briana's arrest/drug issues... I am so glad whole families & acquaintances aren't convicted alongside those they are related to or associate with. I would've been in jail a long time ago, considering 2 of my brothers got in trouble for drugs & theft. It's a moot point that shouldn't even have been brought to the table. It's just something used to sling mud & make the DiPietros look worse.

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    1. I agree, I feel that it was used as a piece of the puzzle to fit the theory some have. We don't even know if Justin was close to Briana or if Courtney even was. From what I have been told, they both lived in the same building owned by a family member, not necessarily in the same apartment in the building

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    2. Exactly. Hell, I lived in the same household as my brothers & my choices/lifestyle couldn't have been more different.

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    3. Briana's drug/arrest does not mean that Courtney or Justin (or anyone else related for that matter) were also involved in drugs. But it doesn't prove that they were not involved in drugs, either. Granted everyone should be considered innocent until proven guilty, but I think we all realize that rarely happens in the real world.

      I've found that in the absence of any real information coming out, people will often take what is known and add their thoughts to it. This case isn't any different than any other where people discuss their theories and speculation. Briana's drug problems may have been only an unfortunate coincidence, or not. But I am not surprised it was thrown into mix. - KJ

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    4. Many households are like that, usually it starts with influence from peers and usually boys are more rebellious and girls tend to follow the rules for fear of punishment etc.

      I know this post was more one sided and not as neutral as my other posts but I did try to keep a balance and keep true to what is rumor and what is fact or hearsay. I do tend to have my opinion as to what possibly happened to Ayla but it doesn't involve drugs, or accidental shootings with Phoebe's supposed gun. I think it was most likely an accident that was covered up for whatever reason but I won't dismiss that she could possibly have been abducted or placed with someone else until LE says 100% that she wasn't.

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    5. I've read the court filings in Brianna's case. I think they were surveilling her supplier before Ayla went missing but I also think they went in on Brianna with a purpose after Ayla went missing. She got some pretty sweet bail conditions to start, then again even after she entered her guilty plea and before sentencing - despite the fact that she'd agreed to significant jail time. There's a sealed, supplemental plea agreement that the public can't read. It may be related to the higher ups in the supply chain or it may be something else of interest in Ayla's case, we don't know.

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    6. I would love to read those sealed documents :)

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    7. The likelihood of a true accident is almost nil IMO. if the blood spatter report is accurate - and I'm going with yes on that- I am inclined to believe an angry adult lashed out and inflicted internal injuries.

      As far as drugs go, I think there may very well be a huge drug angle to this case going beyond Brianna, but I think Ayla's death being caused by drug ingestion- which can cause spatter- is less likely than her being a rage victim.

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    8. "Briana's drug problems may have been only an unfortunate coincidence, or not. But I am not surprised it was thrown into mix."

      KJ, I agree with you.

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    9. Yeah, so would I, Tori, but they're sealed. The rest of it isn't though and the timing is awfully coincidental, don't you think? Brianna's bust might not be evidence of Justin or Courtney's involvement in drug dealing, but it may have to do with LE's suspicions that Brianna might have information she'd be more willing to share with a decade of prison time hanging over her head.

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    10. CG... I'm leaning that direction myself. Not 100% yet, but definitely leaning. Mostly, from what I've read, what I've been told, what I've seen and what I have not seen. There are times that what I have not seen pushes me further in that direction than what I have seen and been told. - KJ

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    11. "....but it may have to do with LE's suspicions that Brianna might have information she'd be more willing to share..."

      Anonymous 10:33, that's a good point. I hadn't thought of that possibility. - KJ

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  4. FYI, I recall reading the course description for the particular class Justin claimed to have taken, and there wasn't a drug testing requirement. You may still be able to access the information online and/or you can call the school. You may be confusing it with the other CDL class that is available, but not at the location Justin mentioned in his interview. I don't have an opinion regarding any possible drug use; I am just pointing something out. Thanks.

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    1. The course may not have required drug testing but usually employers do drug test before hiring someone to drive their trucks because of insurance purposes. There are of course ways to get around everything though so of course this was just all speculation on my part.

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    2. The course Justin took was for driving a school bus. I wish that I had the link to post. I may have it saved somewhere in my computer bookmarks. I will check when I have a free moment. Drug testing is not a requirement for driving a school bus in the states that I am familiar with; I do not know if that is the case in Maine. You would think that it would be mandatory since children are involved, but unfortunately it's not.

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    3. Actually, it wasn't FOR a bus driving license, it INCLUDED driving a bus. All people who are employed with a CDL are subject to random drug testing. Also they must pass a medical exam to even obtain the license.

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    4. My mother was a school bus driver in Somerset County, up until a few years ago, and she says that although requirements for WHEN a drug test must be taken may vary, it is a Maine state requirement for all school but drivers to be drug tested before being hired on.

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    5. Justin was taking a class B cdl course, with a school bus endorsewment. I'm sure there are many businesses that require a class B driver license of those driving a truck for them.
      My husband has a class B, and drove truck locally for a lumber company. (which required a drug test)

      Is it known that Justin took the course to become a school bus driver?

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    6. The difference between a Class B, and a Class A CDL license is substantial. With a Class B license, one cannot pull a trailer; it is for buses and straight trucks. Besides, just because Justin took the class doesn't mean that he was drug-free. A routine medical exam doesn't require a drug test. Unless we are Justin, we don't know what his purpose for taking the class was. Maybe he wanted to be a bus driver? Maybe he knew someone locally who had a job for him, and he was required to have a Class B CDL license? Maybe the theoretical local job provider didn't require drug testing? Maybe Justin figured by the time that he got around to finding a job that would utilize his Class B CDL license, he would be drug free? Maybe Justin has never taken a drug in his life? Do we really know? All I know for sure is that the particular class that Justin was enrolled in through adult education did not require drug testing for a Class B CDL license.

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    7. I have a Class A license (Tractor Trailer) with IXP endorsements.
      I - Motorcycle
      X - Tank and hazardous materials
      P - Passenger Bus

      Class A and B are CDL licenses (Commercial Drivers Licenses). There is a pre-hire drug screening to satisfy the employer and the insurance company, after which employers are federally mandated to randomly
      drug test their drivers. Also some CDL drivers (law just changed) are required to take a DOT (department of Transportation) physical every two years and part of that process requires a drug screening (which can be included in a pre-hire physical, depending on the employer).

      Hazmat drivers are also subject to a Maine State background check every 5 years and drivers who need to travel into secure areas of port facilities (i.e. load fuel at tank farms) are required to have a TWIC card (Transportation Workers Identification Card), which is a Federal background check every 5 years also.

      All credited driving schools, and tractor trailer companies that provide in house training require a drug screen. Adult education is probably not at the top of the list.

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    8. Adult education programs are not out there to lure people into thinking they'll get a job just for participating. They do everything they can to prepare people who participate for the real world experience. I imagine that everyone who signs up for that class is told during the first session that they're going to get drug tested before they ever see a nickel of income, the reason they're there in the first place.

      Jeff, you obviously know what you're talking about with the state licensing and endorsements as well as employer screening. I don't think Justin would have been pursuing a CDL license if he knew he wouldn't pass a drug screen. Do you?

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    9. Scout... I don't believe that Justin would have chosen that career path either (if he did drugs).

      People seem to be discussing whether or not Justin did drugs. I can accept that he does not or did not do drugs. But, that doesn't mean that drugs were not in the house.

      It is possible that drugs were in the house (there were two other adults that lived there and one other that visited often). It is also possible that drugs could have been accessible. Possible. Not definitely, just possible.

      So, whether Justin did or did not do drugs, isn't as important as, were there drugs in house? - KJ

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    10. I don't think Elisha was a drug user because she worked/works with children and would imagine random drug tests are a requirement for the firm she works with but AND THIS IS NOT FACT just what I heard from someone I know very well, that phoebe did use or was prescribed pain meds or some meds and traded them for pain meds. I heard this from the person who supposedly traded with her but it doesn't mean it is the truth so there is the possibility drugs were present in the home.

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    11. Tori... We also do not know very much about Courtney. Whether she did drugs or not. We do know her sister had drug issues and even if Courtney did not do any drugs, she could have carried drugs? Again, just possibilities. Drug sellers, distributors or people carrying drugs, are not always drug users.

      So, the question would be what drugs (if any) were in the house? Where were they kept? Who else went in and out of the house that could have brought drugs with them? Lance? Friends? Did any of them bring drugs, leave them laying around? Again, just possibilities. - KJ

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    12. I don't get the drug angle. The ONLY person using drugs in this case is Trista, and the only person selling drugs is Brianna (we don't even know if she met Ayla).

      WTF

      If Ayla were to get into drugs, the odds, based on what we know, tell us that is something that would have happened while she was in Trista's care. Drugs + Kids don't mix according to Peeter.

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    13. I personally do not think there is a drug angle. If Ayla was harmed in the house and not abducted or sent to love with someone else then I tend to believe it was an accident, a trauma of some sort that was covered up for whatever reason.

      I think that yes it possible some connected directly or indirectly may have been involved with drugs in varying degrees but I don't think Ayla ingested any or was in contact with any on the night of the 16th into the morning of the 17th. JMO

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    14. I agree, but I also do not buy the whole "accident" cover up theory.

      It's not plausible that 3 reasonable adults, all parents, would cover up an accidental trauma. No way. Most people's parental instincts tell them to seek help.

      If Elisha works with children, then that's all the more reason she would have sought help and not covered this up. She probably understands that accidents happen. When a kid injures themselves at a daycare, the staff don't usually bury the kid do they? Even though it may make them look bad, 9 times out of 10, they get help.

      If Courtney is/was getting a degree in criminal justice, that's all the more reason she would have sought help. She understands that there is a system in place that does not automatically send you to jail because your child is somehow injured. She gets that not all accidents can be blamed on someone. Not every incident of an injured child can be prevented.

      Basically, I typed too much but we have no reason not to believe that all or most of the adults in the home that night are reasonable people who would have gotten help for Ayla if necessary.

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    15. Obscure, You say Trista is the only one using drugs in this case. What illegal drugs have LE confirmed that Trista was using? I must have missed that. Have they confirmed that Justin... are not drug users or is that just your opinion?

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    16. I know she was in rehab but have not heard for sure if it was just for alcohol or some other drugs as well. She was getting help and thats what matters. I hope you are right and Justin does not use drugs and whatever happened to Ayla was not drug related

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    17. Laurie, if you want to operate based on FACTS and not rumors and speculation, then Trista is the only person in the case who is/was using drugs.

      Law enforcement didn't need to verify it, TRISTA said it herself. I think Trista lies A LOT, but are you now saying she would even lie about her own drug habit?

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    18. I do not think there is a drug issue with this case, either. I was merely speculating that, if there were drugs involve, were they merely in the home (possibly brought in by someone else). I've never thought this was a drug issue in any way. I've always believed that Briana's drug arrest was purely an unfortunate coincidence. - KJ

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    19. Obscure... while I can see why you wouldn't buy the accident theory, your points are well taken, I also realize that none of us really know another person. People act in ways we can't imagine and for reason we may never understand. I do not personally know the three, nor have I ever read much that they have had to say, so I'm not a good judge of what they would or wouldn't do. Therefore, I can assume that any behavior is possible, even if unbelievable.

      I go back to any murder case I've read, where the neighbor of the murderer states, "he/she was such a sweet, kind and quiet individual who mowed my lawn every Sunday and helped me across the street". Yup, who knows what other will do. Hey there are times I'm shock at things that "I" do. ;) - KJ

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    20. "It's not plausible that 3 reasonable adults, all parents, would cover up an accidental trauma. No way. Most people's parental instincts tell them to seek help."


      All that you said about Courtney and Elisha, just leads me to believe that it wasn't an accident caused by Ayla. Perhaps rage/anger by one of the three (not likely Elisha, but perhaps Courtney or Justin).

      There have been known cases where sisters, girlfriends, boyfriends, brothers, etc. cover the acts of another closely related person. If Ayla was deemed gone, beyond any help, do you seek help or coverup to protect yourselves? Who knows what conversations and/or threats may have taken place between the three. Only the three know and they aren't talking (at least they are not talking publicly). And when they do talk, I doubt we are getting the truth, because if feels to me like they are all hiding something. Of course, if feels like that to LE to (as they stated).

      They seem to be hiding something, Ayla was last known to be in the home with them and Ayla is missing. - KJ

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  5. I'm going to repeat myself, but in the case the photos show that Ayla bled a lot in the house, why isn't her disappearance classified as homicide or an accident? Like it is in other cases ? As long as LE doesn't give any more details, it will be hard to know what really happened. At first I thought Trista was responsible for Ayla's disappearance, then Justin, and now I really don't know. If the photos really show that Ayla most likely died in the house, why is she still a "missing" child and not declared dead ?????

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    1. I don't know which is why I did the post based on your comment before. I may lean toward believing Jeff's version of the story but it doesn't mean it is fact until LE confirms it. This post was certainly more just about my opinion and not really so much fact. Hopefully LE will release more info soon

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    2. Bonnie.. good questions. But only LE can answer them. In my opinion, LE is waiting for more information. But that's just my opinion. If they believe that Ayla is deceased and the information the LE has is enough for them to state that, perhaps they feel there is no reason to rush into any charges or declarations. They have nothing to lose by waiting it out and seeing what other information they can find. It's my understanding that they are still investigating and investigations can take a long time. The public generally does not have the patience to wait for results. Investigators have no choice but to be patient. - KJ

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    3. Rush into charges? They have no reason? UM. There are other children involved who would be at risk if one of the three are suspected of MURDER. How about public safety? Is that not a reason to "rush" into charges?

      Law enforcement made that "Highly unlikely" comment almost a year ago. Jeffrey says they have "unequivocal evidence" that Ayla is dead. So why still wait? Even a minor charge like child neglect could have already been filed by now. As her custodial parent, Justin was responsible for her care.

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    4. Obscure... I am sure that LE has assessed the risk to the other children, along with the other evidence they have collected.

      I'm not saying anyone murdered Ayla (as in premeditated), perhaps LE may think that, but since you mentioned murder. Even if someone did murder Ayla, it is highly unlikely that Gabby or Courtney's son is in danger of that. IF it is true, I'm sure they realize that if even a scratch happens on those two, it will call further attention to them.

      I'm more likely to believe that what happened was not premeditated, perhaps an anger burst, an injury took place and then the coverup. I am not saying that is what happen (because I do not know what happened), just that it could have happened that way. Why panic? and not take Ayla to the hospital? Because someone in the house caused the injuries and those injuries were most likely severe.

      That is just a theory. Since I do not believe Ayla walked out of that house on her own and I find the abduction scenario highly unlikely, given that professional investigators have publicly stated that they believe an "abduction" did not take place. Given that, I'm left to try to figure out what could have happened inside that house.

      I don't believe Gabby and Courtney's son are in danger at all, only Trista's daughter was in danger. - KJ

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    5. I respectfully disagree, KJ. If Ayla's death was the result of an "anger outburst" by an adult in the home, all children in the home would be deemed at risk. It isn't DHHS' job to identify the perp...it is to protect children.

      I firmly believe that if the evidence indicated Ayla suffered lethal trauma at 29 Violette, Gabby would have been whisked away.

      Trista was on the verge of losing her children because of a drinking problem. Don't you think evidence of deadly-force trauma would warrant the same action be taken?

      DHHS isn't going to just write it off as "well, Ayla was the sole target for abuse...we conclude that the other children are safe."

      Christ...at least I hope not.

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    6. Well said, McKee. I try to understand how people arrive at the statements they make, and I cannot.

      If a child is murdered because someone could not control their anger, every other child is at risk around that person. It's not that hard to understand. DHHS doesn't take only the child that is abused out of a home. They take them ALL.

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    7. McKeeKitty... Perhaps you misunderstand what I mean by at risk. I'm sure that they were at risk at the time of any supposed "anger/rage" burst. What I mean is, they are not at risk now, for several reasons. Number one being, all eyes are upon them. The other reason would be "the secret", surely whoever went into a rage and caused Ayla's harm, would not dare touch the other two children. After all, the mothers know the "secret". And because of my theory about the possible rage, the other children would not have been a target.

      So, in my opinion the other children are not at risk (if this was a rage issue). And personally, if it is a rage issue, I would believe the rage was aimed at TRISTA, Ayla was merely the unfortunately target because of her relation to Trista. Again, all assumptions and theory on my part. As I do not know what actually happened. But, out there, walking amongst us is at least one someone who does know and possibly a few others. - KJ

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    8. And just to add to that, because you mentioned why would DHHS not do something, if Ayla was murdered in a rage outburst.

      First of, DHHS has to have evidence to remove a child. Second, LE has not stated in any way that Ayla was murdered in a rage/outburst. Even if they believe it (and I'm not sure they do), they obviously are not willing at this time to state it.

      If LE can't state it, DHHS cannot do anything about it. There are rules, laws and procedures that must be followed. No, it's not always about the safety of the child(ren). For LE it is about getting all the information possible to make a case and obviously, they are not there yet (even if they do believe xyz happened) - KJ

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    9. That is ALOT of speculating, IMO, KJ.

      Anyone capable of going off on Ayla and killing her is a danger to children (and likely society). Period. Anyone capable of covering for such an act of atrocity is a danger to children (and likely society). Period.

      DHHS doesn't operate on theories. DHHS isn't going to make excuses, imagine scenarios, and conclude "Ayla was singled out for abuse because she is Trista's daughter, and the rage was actually directed towards Trista. Therefore, the other children have never been in danger."






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    10. McKeeKitty... absolutely it is a lot of speculating. I was very clear that it was that. :)

      I think you forget that Justin hasn't been charged with any crime and hasn't be found guilty of any crime. Therefore, the children around him are not in any danger and DHHS need do nothing. - KJ

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    11. I'm really responding to reports that there is a 30-40 photographic slideshow floating out there on "how Ayla died." If this slideshow truly exists and reveals that Ayla's blood was found throughout the house and she was the vicim of trauma, I maintain Gabby and Ayden are in danger.

      Jessica Reynolds wasn't charged with a crime when she lost her children to DHHS. And it wouldn't have been a crime if Trista refused rehab. She simply would have had her children removed as a consequence.




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    12. McKeekitty,
      I'm just using your comment to make a point.

      It's a good example of how things have morphed into facts that aren't.
      Jeff's comment was that Trista was shown 30 to 40 photo's from the DiPietro property, that "led them to believe that it is highly unlikely that Ayla will be found alive".
      He didn't say anything about blood, or that it was throughout the house.
      This is the same thing we heard in May, nothing new.
      Nothing new from MSP that is.

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    13. Anonymous...you are correct. Jeff made no mention that blood was discovered throughout the house. It was an assumption on my part, and I stand corrected.

      But I must say this: There are several posters on U4A suggesting Ayla's blood was found in various areas of the house, and Jeff doesn't correct these posts. He'll chime in here that he doesn't think drugs were a factor, but he won't deny or confirm what others are suggesting are on those 30-40 photographs.

      Also, Jeff states that not only does LE have "unequivocal evidence" that Ayla is dead, but that LE has evidence on HOW she died. I question that assertion. I honestly believe that if LE can pinpoint the manner of Ayla's death this case would be classified as something other than a "missing person" case with foul play suspected.

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      Scout, yes the information that MSP told Trista was over a month ago. I did not ask her about it until last week.. So from what you are saying… You are shown photos of how your daughter died.. and what? what are you saying Scout? that she had plenty of time to clarify questions.. with who?

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    14. IIRC Justin stopped living at 29 Violette after the event. There is no risk to anyone living at that address from someone not there. It doesn't take much of a stretch to think that may be why he isn't there, so Elisha doesn't have to worry about custodial issues with Gabby beyond those with Gabby's dad.

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    15. McKeekitty,

      I've seen the comments on U4A suggesting that Ayla's blood was found in various places in the DiPietro home.
      That is why I used your comment to point out that somehow this became accepted, while Jeff never mentioned blood in regards to the 30-40 photo's Trista was shown.

      I question most assertions made by Jeff.
      I also agree with you, if MSP knows unequivocally that Ayla is deceased, and how she died, this would not be a missing person case.

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    16. Good point Anonymous 4:04PM

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    17. Anonymous 4:51...thank you for clarifying.

      "I question most assertions made by Jeff."

      I agree.

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  6. Although this is the current class, it is the same class Justin was taking based on the information he revealed in his interview in January of 2012:

    http://fairfield.maineadulted.org/courses/course/cdlbus_driver_training

    "....commercial driver's license course at Lawrence Adult Education in Fairfield."

    http://www.pressherald.com/news/aylas-father-explains-how-toddlers-arm-was-broken_2012-01-07.html

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  7. weird.. this just came up Tuesday also, but Trista said that Justin does not like to take "drugs" (but does smoke weed). She said He broke his wrist once and that he would not take the oxycontin they gave him for pain.

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    1. Do you mean oxycodone? Oxycontin would be a little much to subscribe for a broken bone, it seems. Although I wouldn't put much past doctors these days, I would *hope* they wouldn't subscribe that for a broken bone.

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    2. Michelle; Trista's version of the drug, I do not know what was actually prescribed.

      I also do not believe the "drug theory" although LE has looked into it, particularly the bath salts. I did not even know it was a designer drug till they explained it to me.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_salts_(drug)

      I really thought it was something you bought at Bed, Bath and Beyond... go figure.

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    3. Jeff... I also thought bath salts were something from Bed, Bath and Beyond that you added to your bath water for fragrance or soothing. Go figure... - KJ

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    4. Oxycodone and OxyContin are the same drug. Oxycodone is the generic form of OxyContin

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    5. I thought the same thing about the bath salt at first.  LOL.

      But they they are scary, scary, scary & very addictive. I know someone that got hooked on them. Along with loosing everything & everyone in their life this person now is basically schizophrenic at all times. It's very sad. But its the choices they made.

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    6. Oxycontin CONTAINS Oxycodone, but they are not the same drug. Oxycodone is in many drugs.

      Oxycontin like MS Contin. Ms Contin is time-released morphine, and oxycontin is time released oxycodone. Meaning it works/stays in your blood longer than the base drug.

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    7. IMO, anyone with children or grandchildren should make it a point to keep themselves up to date and aware of ALL drugs out there. What they are and what they do.

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    8. I keep aware of the drugs that are in my home and what they do. I'm not sure I want to study every drug out there and what it does. ;) - KJ

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  8. Very good point anonymous 12:24. We have to be so vigilant in protecting our kids.

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