Wednesday, February 27, 2013

What About The Blood?

Since the discovery of blood in the home of Justin DiPietro after Ayla was reported missing, we have had heard many conflicting accounts as to how much blood was in the home, whose blood it really was, and why the blood was found there. I felt this was the perfect post to start out with because even though both sides have offered up their theories or shared info given to them by police about the blood, LE has never really confirmed anything about the blood except that there was in fact some of Ayla's blood found in the home. I had mistakenly thought that McCausland had confirmed to the public that the amount of blood was "more than a small cut would produce" but McCausland never commented on the amount of blood.

Department of Public Safety spokesman Steve McCausland said Sunday night that testing has revealed that at least some of the blood samples that were found in the home during a December search belong to Ayla.

"The testing has not been completed and more work remains, but we have found samples of Ayla's blood," he said.

The site also says that police told the family the amount of blood is "more than a small cut would produce." McCausland wouldn't say how much blood had been discovered at the home.

http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/police-found-aylas-blood_2012-01-29.html

McCausland called the discovery of the blood "troubling."

"We have questioned the three adults that were there in the home that night," McCausland told The Associated Press. "We believe they have not given us the full story."

The blood is being analyzed to determine whose it is. McCausland said he didn't know when the results would be available.
 
 
McCausland doesn't say that the amount of blood found is troubling but that the discovery of blood found is troubling. Anytime a child is missing, the discovery of blood being in the home is indeed troubling but as a parent I know that my daughter has hurt herself and somewhere in my home her blood would be found. My son also has horrible nosebleeds and if someone were to spray luminol in his bedroom and on his bed, it would look like someone was murdered there. The discovery of blood in itself is not what is troubling. The fact that Ayla is missing and her blood was found is likely what MSP found troubling.
 
Once the public started questioning the blood being found, Heidi spoke out for Justin and explained the presence of blood as was explained to her by Justin who was staying in her home at the time. Heidi relaying this information is equal to Jeff posting information for Trista via the blogs. You can't accept the word of one but not the other if neither of them come straight from the source. You can however choose who you believe.
 
This is a screenshot to one of Heidi's comments regarding the blood that was posted under an article on www.morningsentinel.com
 
 
 
 
When Jeff started www.answersforayla.com that eventually merged with this blog to become www.united4ayla.com he used it as a forum to try to answer questions that the public had regarding the case. LE praised the blog because it was raising awareness for Ayla but declined to confirm or deny any of the information that was posted there. The public following the case was left to decide whether they chose to believe Jeff and the information that was given to him either directly by LE or by Trista or not.  Many, myself included, chose and still choose to believe the information that Jeff has released but I know that because it is said online and by someone I trust, it doesn't make it fact and it is within that scope that the real problems lie. Much of what has been said on blogs, people have put forth as fact and then formed their opinions and theories on this case around it. When I decided to come back to the blogging world, I did not want to rehash the same information and do the same things I was doing before thinking that it was going to force someone into talking or even bully them into defending themselves. I instead am trying to look at things objectively and basing the info I take in on what LE has confirmed and hasn't confirmed and in the instance of the blood, they haven't confirmed much and certainly not enough to lead someone to believe that Ayla is dead or was murdered in the house that night.
 
When you add in what Ayla's maternal family has added to the discussion and then listen to what LE has said in press conferences and in the media then the information about the blood becomes more concerning.
 
We are posting this statement regarding the accounts in the media Saturday. State Police
investigators informed us that evidence had leaked to the press regarding blood found at the scene of Ayla’s disappearance and that they were prepared to confirm the story. What they were unwilling to confirm to the press, but left to our discretion, is that it has already been determined to be Ayla’s blood. They also stated to us that it is "more blood than a small cut would produce". We were also told by the lead investigators that it was "more than a cupful
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When you combine this information, whether confirmed by LE or not, and their comments that they don't believe those in the house that night are telling the truth, that they don't believe an abduction occurred and that they believe it is unlikely that Ayla will be found alive it looks bleak for Ayla and makes those in the home that night look like monsters. For the sake of objectivity though and taking out of the equation anything that LE has not publicly confirmed could the whole situation be looked at in a different light?
 
Could the amount of blood really have come from a small cut? LE has never updated the public on exactly how much was found, how much was Ayla's and whether or not it was all blood. The attorney for the DiPietros has said that DNA was found but that it wasn't necessarily blood, could it have been saliva or another bodily fluid? Luminol is not foolproof, it will also react to feces, horseradish sauce, and some cleaning agents. If the blood evidence is not what many believe it to be couldn't the meanings of some of LE's statements be taken in a different context?
 
Maybe the three in the home that night are not being completely forthcoming about the events in the house that night, it doesn't mean that Ayla was murdered in the house. It could mean they think Ayla was given to another family to raise because Justin wanted to keep her from Trista and felt that the best chance Ayla would have at a happy, productive life would be living somewhere else but he couldn't legally adopt her out without Trista's consent. It could also mean that there was an accident in the house and Ayla was not brought in for medical treatment in time and although she wasn't murdered, did die because of lack of proper medical care.
 
If Ayla was put up for an illegal adoption, maybe it was even done by someone else in the family behind Justin's back, it would explain why LE has stated an abduction didn't occur as well as why those in the house were not being forthcoming. It could also explain why no charges have been pressed as of yet and no suspects named.
 
Maybe LE is mistakenly saying an abduction didn't occur based on no signs of forced entry and the belief that those in the home are not telling the truth, LE is also not foolproof and sometimes they don't get it right the first time, if they did the jails would be even more overcrowded than they are now and it would eliminate the need for anyone to have a trial in a court of law. If Ayla was abducted and LE only came to that conclusion after publicly announcing that they did not think an abduction occurred, would they announce their mistake to the public and put their department up for scrutiny and accusations of fumbling the case and letting the abductor go free? The longer a child is missing, if the child has been abducted, the more unlikely that the child will be found alive and unharmed.
 
I don't know what has happened to Ayla, I have my opinions based off what information I have gleaned from sources I trust but it doesn't mean that I am right. What I do know is that Ayla has been missing for over a year and no suspects have been named, no persons of interest, she hasn't been found, and police haven't released much actual information in the case. No matter how right I think I am and how right others think they are because they have followed this case from the start and read everything pertaining to the case online, the truth is no one knows what happened because if they did we wouldn't be here blogging about Ayla and it seems to me the only true way to get justice for Ayla is to keep an open mind and look at all possible scenarios in that off chance that the police are wrong and Ayla is out there somewhere waiting to be reunited with her family.
 
 
 

 

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  1. Nice job, Tori!

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  2. John P has left a new comment on your post "What About The Blood?":

    Good post Tori, this post seems to try to be unbiased and I do appreciate that. Two things though if I may, #1 The attorney for the DiPietros (Elisha and Phoebe only) was not at the meeting and only relaying information told to him by his two clients, #2 and more importantly, MSP did confirm the "more than a small cut would produce" in the article you linked above. the last paragraph listed below confirms what is in the second paragraph below.

    "The testing has not been completed and more work remains, but we have found samples of Ayla's blood," he said.

    The site also says that police told the family the amount of blood is "more than a small cut would produce."

    McCausland wouldn't say how much blood had been discovered at the home.

    It was reported Saturday that police found blood in the house at 29 Violette Ave. when they searched it in December.

    The family contended on the website that state police shared the discovery with them, but planned to withhold the information from the media.

    McCausland said Sunday police had initially decided to withhold information that the blood belongs to Ayla because police need to perform tests on other samples.

    "I prefer not to give out partial results, but (the Reynolds) family has released that tonight, and that information is correct," he said.

    http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/police-found-aylas-blood_2012-01-29.html

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    1. Sorry John, I accidentally deleted yours too but was able to catch it in my email.

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    2. Thank you for reposting so I did not have to repost it. I wanted to add though a third item when you say "LE is also not foolproof and sometimes they don't get it right the first time". I agree with your statement whole heartedly, but in well over 14 months, if LE had gotten it wrong the first time, I think they would have corrected the course of the investigation by now. JMO though!

      Sorry about disagreeing with the above statement but the comment above by McCausland is incorrect, and the one by Bourget seems to indicate that salive or other bodily fluids in the blood makes it seem less severe when in actuality it could be much more severe. IF there was more than a cupful I pray it was not aspirated blood.

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    3. You are welcome for reposting, sadly I have deleted a handful of comments by accident via email, I really need to stop moderating through email and come straight to the blog to do it, much faster and less room for error.

      McCausland was only referring to the blood being Ayla's, he did not mention or confirm the amount of blood. If you remember the vigil, The Reynold's publicly commented about the blood before the vigil and LE held a press conference right afterwards and confirmed the blood was Ayla's, up until the time we only knew blood was found and not whose blood it was, hence the comments that Phoebe had cut herself doing laundry, Selena even commented to having possibly cut herself in the basement as well. In my opinion, McCausland was not confirming how much blood and his statement above in the link says he did not want to prematurely give half of the info since all the testing was not back yet. At that point in time they would not really have known how much blood was Ayla's because testing had not completed so he couldn't accurately give a statement as to how much it was.

      As far as the lawyer not being in the meeting, you are correct and I have no way of knowing if what his clients gave him for info was accurate or not but he did go on record stating it and he must have reasonable belief that at least some of the evidence found was not only blood since I cannot see him lying about it when he very well could have declined to comment especially since his clients have not been charged with anything.

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    4. "I prefer not to give out partial results, but (the Reynolds) family has released that tonight, and that information is correct," he said.

      Tori in the sentence you cited, you only cite the first half. McCausland clearly states the information released by the maternal family "that information is correct". That to me is pretty clear cut confirmation?

      As for the lawyer, all I can say is WOW! You are willing to take the lawyers word that represents Phoebe and Elisha and is uttering what one admitted liar and one suspected withholder of information is telling him. You are being sarcastic, right?

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    5. No, I am trying to be objective and looking at both sides and I have no reason not to believe the lawyer and I don't see anywhere where LE has refuted what the lawyer has said. The whole point of this blog is to be able to put yourself in other people's shoes that have an opinion that differs from my own so I can try to see another perspective on the case, that means putting what I know or think I know aside for the time being and instead of having to defend how I think or my opinions but for a moment just look at things in a different light.

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    6. So what you are asking me to do is ignor McCausland saying that the maternal family information is correct, and then accept a persons word with vested interests that has not been confirmed by LE?

      Sorry Tori, I can't do that, I think it is time for me to join Chicky. Good night, Tori.

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    7. This blog isn't for everyone, if you can view things objectively and put aside what you think you know then this probably isn't the blog for you especially if you feel the need to constantly defend your stance since this blog isn't about that either, it is about being tolerant, finding common ground and creating a place that allows both sides to discuss their theories and opinions without being told they are wrong.

      I disagree with your interpretation of McCausland's statement, I feel McCausland at that time confirmed that the maternal family was correct and that the blood was Ayla's, at no time has LE publicly stated how much blood was Ayla's.

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    8. Tori,

      I never tried to defend myself or my stance, I pointed out a statement by McCausland and I pointed out that YOU said only proven fact would be accepted and you have discarded a proven article and statement by McCausland and accredited Bourgett "because he has no reason to lie". Your right, this blog is not for me or anyone else that has a difference of opinion I guess. See you around some time.

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    9. My two cents...I interpreted that statement the same way, that McCausland was affirming what the family put out as correct -to include the more than a small cut statement. As far as Bourgett goes, I discount anything he says. He has an agenda and that is to represent his clients.

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    10. The reason I interpreted it and still do as being only about it being Ayla's blood is because McCausland says this:

      McCausland said Sunday police had initially decided to withhold information that the blood belongs to Ayla because police need to perform tests on other samples.

      "I prefer not to give out partial results, but (the Reynolds) family has released that tonight, and that information is correct," he said.

      He doesn't mention anything about the amount and if tests were still being done to determine the rest of the blood found how could MSP definitively say how much blood there was?

      I reserve my opinion on the blood and how much was really found, I trust Jeff and info he has shared with me but looking at things objectively and setting aside what I have heard or may believe to be true, I think that it fair to say LE never publicly commented on the amount of blood although it is possible that it was more than a small cut would produce.

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    11. Let me add... How could MSP definitively say how much of the blood was Ayla's?

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    12. "Let me add... How could MSP definitively say how much of the blood was Ayla's?"

      ***At the particular point in time this statement was made I will agree with you that MSP did not know how much of the blood was Ayla's because testing was not complete.

      Tori says "The discovery of blood in itself is not what is troubling. The fact that Ayla is missing and her blood was found is likely what MSP found troubling."

      McCausland called the discovery of the blood "troubling."

      ***I disagree with you on this point. I interpret it differently. I don't think it was the discovery of blood alone that was troubling. I think it was the amount of blood that was troubling. Heidi states that she saw 4 dots of blood. Justin was allegedly shown luminol enhanced pictures of more blood (it has to be more that was found because they wouldn't show him luminol pictures of 4 dots - they were visible to the naked eye!).
      IMO there has to have been more blood than 4 dots for MSP to say it's troubling. I could spill 4 dots of blood from a dang paper cut - that's not a troubling amount. I think he classified it as a troubling amount because it was a life threatening amount.
      I have not heard any denial that blood was found via luminol in the house. I have not heard any explanation as to how that blood got there. If there is an innocent reason for it don't ya think we'd have heard it by now? (she had a nose bleed, she fell and cut her forehead, etc)

      One last thing that bothers me about potential evidence - Bourgett's statement about Ayla's DNA was found but it's not necessarily blood. Think about that and what that could be. It scares the hell out of me that he actually said that (and he's supposed to be representing them), it's nothing good. They wouldn't inform the family that her DNA was found if it was through saliva, urine or feces. That is to be expected to be found in a house with a baby/toddler. IMO they mentioned it because they found something unexpected.

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    13. More so the point I was trying to make with this post is that based on just the facts alone and removing the info added later from either side, it is easy to see how one would interpret things differently and how at that particular point in time it all really was left up to how you interpreted the info given by LE, once you added in the info given from the side of the family you chose to believe, things then started to look one way or the other.

      I don't want to tell someone they are wrong or not interpreting things correctly because I don't know but I certainly can respect and understand why someone would interpret the scenario differently. Also my observations in this post don't necessarily represent what I personally feel, the post was done to show the facts and then how each side may interpret them.

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    14. I still believe that something bad happened to Ayla and that the three in the house that night are hiding it. In my opinion, it's the only thing that makes any sense.

      I believe, as stated by the MSP that the three in the house are not telling all they know. I also believe, as stated by the MSP that an abduction did not take place.

      I'm just waiting for someone to tell the truth about what really happened. Because that person is out there, reading, laughing at all of us and keeping a secret. It doesn't matter what story any of us believe, because the real perpetrator of the crime against Ayla is laughing at us all, as we muddle through trying to search for that truth.

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    15. Does anyone know the timeline/in what order the following occurred?

      when LE announced that blood was found in the home
      the vigil
      the maternal family announcement that Ayla's blood was found
      LE's confirmation that Ayla's blood was found
      the maternal family announcement "more than a small cut would produce"
      the maternal family announcement "more than a cupful"

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    16. autumn; Trista was told everything you have learned about Ayla's blood being found in Justin's basement on 1/28/12. I posted most of that information on www.aylareynolds.com the next day and sent the site's information to the local media who we had been working with.. they in turn called Steve McCausland for verification.

      http://www.kjonline.com/news/Blood-found-at-missing-toddlers-home-is-Ayla-Reynolds.html

      In this article Steve says: "The testing has not been completed and more work remains, but we have found samples of Ayla's blood,"

      MSP told us that more than a cupful of Ayla's (not someone else's) blood was found in Justin's basement (on 1/28/2). So if this statement to the press was true back then (1/29/12) and they were still testing more "samples".. how much more of Ayla's blood did they find?

      But because of what MSP could report to the press, you can only assume that MSP may have told us about the amount of Ayla's blood found.. but I was there, I was told this directly by MSP and I know what I heard.. and these guys were serious.

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    17. near as I can tell, someone please correct if needed:
      1/28 LE announces blood was found in the home
      1/28 vigil
      1/29 the maternal family announce that Ayla's blood was found
      1/29 the maternal family announce "more than a small cut would produce"
      1/29 LE confirmation that Ayla's blood was found*
      3/18 maternal family announces "more than a cupful"

      *in the article referenced by Tori - unfortunately quotes appear out of context, hence the confusion about what McCausland meant:

      Department of Public Safety spokesman Steve McCausland said Sunday night that testing has revealed that at least some of the blood samples that were found in the home during a December search belong to Ayla.

      "The testing has not been completed and more work remains, but we have found samples of Ayla's blood," he said.

      The site also says that police told the family the amount of blood is "more than a small cut would produce."

      McCausland wouldn't say how much blood had been discovered at the home....
      McCausland said Sunday police had initially decided to withhold information that the blood belongs to Ayla because police need to perform tests on other samples.

      "I prefer not to give out partial results, but (the Reynolds) family has released that tonight, and that information is correct," he said."

      To me, McCausland is verifying that some of the blood was Ayla's - and earlier in the paragraph, McCausland wouldn't say how much blood was found in the home.

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    18. Jeff, thank you for your reply. While obviously you don't know every detail of the case (at least not first-hand), you certainly have heard more first-hand information than the rest of us. It seems you may have realized going through this that second-hand information isn't always reliable - for whatever reason. For you, you know what you heard - as an outside party I wonder "did he hear it correctly? - did they say "cut" and not "cup"? etc. As you stated, you were told "more than a small cut" and "more than a cup" on the same day - and released the information the next day. I am curious about your rationale in only releasing "more than a small cut" at that time, and then waiting almost 2 months to release the "cupful" part that you heard yourself?

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    19. autumn, It was Trista who released the information to a reporter who published it (still looking for that article), so I posted it on the website the next day.. I just assumed that we could not post that information..

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    20. If you felt that it was okay to post that MSP told Trista it was "more than a small cut would produce", why would you not think it was okay to poat that they also said it was "more than a cupful"?
      Especially since both was told to her the same day, same time.

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    21. There is another media report that attributes to McCausland the information that the amount of Ayla's blood was substantial. It was not a direct quote as I recall but a paraphrase; nevertheless it is a pretty important piece of information.

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    22. Tori, to be objective, your conclusions must also be wrong sometimes. Perhaps John P isn't wrong and if not, should he have to back away from his stance for the sake of belonging? A discussion will undoubtedly contain things that are seen by some, but not by others. John P should be able to maintain is opinion and state it as well. The same for those who totally disagree with John P's opinion. If a person can't state his opinion and continually, it's not a discussion. No one has to be objective, if they have already determined what they believe to be true. What would be more interesting to discuss, is WHY that person firmly believes as they do. Rather than to say that person can't keep saying it, or telling them they have not looked at something objectively, perhaps they have. When someone's opinion differs from mine, I want to know what is it they see that I don't. I hope that on the other hand, they want me to share what I see and they don't.

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    23. McCausland's statements can be interpreted in different ways, John and many others see them as confirming the amount of blood as being more than a small cut would produce, it also can be interpreted as he was only verifying that it was Ayla's blood and not the amount since there was no way at that point in time to gauge the full amount since not all the testing had come back yet. No one said John was wrong, in fact it was John who said I was wrong. Since McCausland never himself commented on the amount of blood, objectively speaking all we can say for sure is that blood was found and some of it was Ayla's.


      John was not kicked off the blog, and my comments to him were not rude or argumentative. He asked a question I answered it. He excused himself off the blog as did Chicky. I responded that I understood that the premise behind this blog was not for everyone. Many have gotten inside info or information from others close to this case, as I have but the purpose of this blog is too look at what has actually been verified so that means at times we have to put on the back burner things we may think we know to be true. This blog is designed for all sides to discuss their opinions and to try to understand someone who thinks differently from us and that means not always forcing our beliefs down their throats or vice versa.

      John's comment telling me I was incorrect about the interpretation of McCausland's statement was uncalled for since who is to say John's interpretation of it is the correct one?

      I had no issue though with John's comments and was answering them but he started getting argumentative and angry. The whole point of the post was missed, it was more to do with how it is possible for some to see the info released differently than others depending on who you chose to believe. It is sad that escalated how it did and words were exchanged privately that were completely uncalled for.

      Both sides are represented here and I am trying to play peacekeeper in the middle, it doesn't mean that I necessarily believe the scenarios set forth but they are plausible scenarios and meant to encourage discussion on both sides but respectful discussion with no name calling or labeling and people can sit here all day and claim they know what happened and that this one killed Ayla and this is why but the truth of the matter is no one knows and information gleaned from anyone on either side of the investigation isn't necessarily the truth just because they told it to you, unless LE has confirmed it, it is only hearsay and either side could be lying to protect themselves.

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    24. Annon March 1 8:35 ~ well said

      Tori, my reason for walking away at that point had nothing to do with the discussion between you and John so I am not sure why you chose to include my name above. I am not asking a question.
      In answer to, "Tell me more" no I will not release my name or personal info to YOU. Not in this lifetime.
      I get my posters from sources including Lost and Missing.

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    25. In John's comment before I said this blog wasn't for everyone, he said that he was going to follow Chicky's lead and leave. You had told me about an hour before that you would not be participating on the blog and I told you I understood and respected that. John is saying I kicked him off the blog, my point was that before I even said this blog was not for everyone he was excusing himself as you did. That was the only reason I referenced you, I wasn't implying that his reasons had anything to do with yours, I knew your reasons as we had discussed it. My mentioning you was only to clarify that despite John saying I kicked him off the blog, it is quite clear in the comments that he was leaving as you had.

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    26. Chicky, if you wouldn't give your name and address to me then exactly how are you or any other u4a goers going to help with a flier or awareness campaign?? See how that works? You prefer to stay anonymous on the internet but expect everyone else to put themselves out there so you can know what they are doing? Probably not...

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    27. Tell me more (or less) I said I would not give my address to , "YOU" I am only speaking for myslef in this regard. Others are free to give YOU their address if they so choose. Select TLLOM members have my address, you don't and won't.
      If you don't agree that groups working together could get even more done so be it.

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    28. This makes me chuckle a little... Chicky, you don't know who I am. How do you know I'm not one of those members? So you admit that TLLOM is a credible enough group to give your address to? Why would you work with a group that isn't a nationally recognized organization? Do you accept free awareness items from them? A group that works hand in hand with all members of the Dipietro family? Doesn't lost and missing provide you with everything you need? This is the hypocrisy that stops groups from working together. Not that any members of TLLOM care. They'll do anything to create awareness for Ayla. Love the new fliers in their current tagging campaign!

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    29. As an example of the sabotage to any campaign to create awareness, I just popped on over to u4a to read and found, several commenters and admins including John and chicky verbally tearing apart the new flier. It turns my stomach to once again see that any effort made by TLLOM will be sabotaged and discredited. That does not serve Ayla. Of course, I haven't seen any of the people being hateful about the flier create and post one for us to use. Direct sabotage, IMO. Sad for little Ayla... So much for wanting to work together, huh chicky??

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    30. I gave my address over a year ago. No, I have not received any items from TLLOM. I have received items from Lost and Missing as well as others, printed posters myself, searched private lands and public places. I have not been lacking in posters and items.
      Distaste for the poster, ahuh but I am not telling anyone not to share it. That is up to each individual.
      You assume I find TLLOM credible, those are your words not mine.
      You are just looking to fight on a personal level and I am not interested in that. I am no ones garbage can.
      Yes, it is sad for Ayla, from the very first day. (just before sunrise).

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    31. No chicky, I don't want to fight and I don't want to be anything close to personal. I'm just trying to point out the contradictory statements. This is exactly what has taken place on every facet of this case. It's hypocritical and contradictory. I didn't put words in your mouth either. I asked you a series of questions. I'm going to leave you be now because it has become clear to me that you are wearing your blinders. If you don't want to see the good in people and their efforts then I can't make you see it. As for before sunrise, Ayla was removed from her home sometime in the night, which would be before sunrise. Hopefully, she'll be back in her families arms soon and the person who took her will be punished justly. Sad for Ayla, Trista and Justin that so much time has gone by and been missed. Sad for the grandmas who haven't been able to hear her giggle and read her bedtime stories. Sad for little Ray and Ayden and Gabby that they have missed their playmate. It's all very sad. Sad especially that by now, Ayla has probably forgotten all these people who made up her family and no longer remembers where she belongs. Sad, indeed.

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  3. Why can't both family be honest and tell the truth on what they know to the MSP.As grandmother if my sons or daughter injuried one of my grandchildren I would report them children deserve to be safe and cared for.there has been too much drama you can not tell me if MSP told me something I would remember it and it time to be honest and truthful to the MSP.

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    1. Has LE ever indicated that Trista or her relatives were not telling all they know? About which side of Ayla's family has LE said that theur story"does not pass the straight-face test". Does this sound to you as if LE is particularly concerned with Trista not revealing all she knows?

      I think it's odd that you think both families might be involved in withholding truth about what happened to Ayla. LE has not said that about Trist or her side of the family.

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    2. You asked this same question on another thread. What has LE ever said to indicate that they thought Trista was withholding something about Ayla's disappearance? You know that LE said this about the Waterville three. That they were not telling all they knew.

      What does this mean to you? What side of Ayla's family is withholding information about that missing baby?

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  4. Good post.
    I think it was fair and accurate.

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  5. Great post, and you can see why we were kicked off the other site and everything had to go before moderation. Their theory is the only one they want told. Thank you Tori for standing your ground.

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    1. Glad to see you here Dana, I have always respected your opinion and it will be respected here as well.

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    2. Dana, do you still believe that Ayla is alive because it makes you feel better to do so? Just curious since MSP have said that it is highly unlikely that she is alive and was even more firm in their belief that Ayla is dead. Just wondered if you still felt the same.

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    3. I'm not Dana but I will tell you why I believe Ayla is alive. It's not because it makes me feel better. It's not because I know anyone. It's because until MSP makes an announcement that they are declaring her legally dead and someone has been arrested and held responsible, based on clear evidence, for her death she deserves to be looked for and Justin and Trista deserve to have their child returned to them. If my child was missing, this is what I would want. I would want every person on the planet looking for them until hard proof, like a body, was presented to me. I don't care what Trista says to Jeff or anyone else, she wants her baby girl alive. No mother fully accepts their child is dead until they see it. Unless MSP showed her pictures of Ayla's body, she still has hope. Whether she says it out loud or not, she still has hope. That is why I believe. Because that is what I would want if my child was missing. It doesn't hurt the investigation to believe she's alive, even if she's not. It does hurt Ayla and the investigation to believe she is dead if she is alive.

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    4. So perfectly said, tell me more. Those are exactly my thoughts.

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    5. I could understand that a mother could believe her child if she is shown the proof her child is dead even if there is no body. Look at Sierra Lamar, LE says she is dead, and a man is getting a trial or got a trial for her murder, and still they have not recovered her body. (and there are other similar examples. Her parents believe she is dead and they don't love her less because of that. I perfectly believe you can think your child is dead if LE shows you the proof she is dead. But in this case, they have not declared she is dead -highly unlikely she is alive. So if they have "unequivocal" proof she is dead, why not declare her dead like in all those other situations ? Usually these situations don't drag on for so long.

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    6. Im so glad to see there is are others out there that have the same faith I do. I can't believe much anymore so I choose to stay nutruel. I still have faith shes alive. I will until LE finds her dead. I just feel if she were dumped ecspecially I'm the river/rivers around here (Waterville) she would have been discovered or washed ashore. JMO ofcourse.

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    7. Anon until LE says they know she is deceased I will continue looking for her to be alive.It is not that it makes me feel good or better, where there is hope I choose to look for the good rather than bad. Does it make you feel better to look for a deceased Ayla? Just wondering.

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  6. I do not believe what either side is saying anymore. yes there was incidence that posted about justin that he went to portland in morning before he reported ayla missing. this is important information to this case to have jeff say it was not true.this make me wonder about the blood found in the house was 4 drops or a cupful.this is the reason I do not post on facebook or these site become if a person disagree they attack you. I only want this baby to be found.Iam not pro justin or pro trisha it makes me wonder what is true and what is not. that the reason for my statement above so please not all of you attack me at once I though this was not going to happen on this site I can see why the paternal side would not come to any site to respond to people question.

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    1. I agree with you and can see your point. No one should attack anyone. I believe Tori will do her best to keep this site open to all points of view, and not just John's, or Trista's. I would like to see the paternal side do some posting as well. Maybe they will if they are not attacked about every thing they say.

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    2. I stopped posting altogether when I saw some strong voices being silenced on U4A. Now that there's this new blog, I'm hoping to see a return of some of those voices.

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    3. Don't worry about Justin posting and being attacked here. It's never going to happen.

      Justin has "posted" in absentia on JSTL. He has "posted" on TLLOM. He has his ladies, his surrogate mommies, speaking for him. They do the talking for an adolescent narcissist who can't speak for himself, probably because he wouldn't be able to keep his stories straight. Certainly he cannot speak for his child. His concern is for himself.

      And this DiPietro silence will continue here. All of the "involved" have lawyered up. Justin knows that LE will be closely monitoring anything he might post. Same goes for Phoebe, Elisha and the Wonder Girl, Courtney Roberts.

      Meanwhile, let's all strike up a chorus of "Trista done it!" It's a good enough smokescreen.

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    4. I am confused, where has anyone pointed a finger at Trista? The only fingers being pointed at are at Justin. The others here not so quick to point a finger either acknowledge that they don't know what happened and refuse to pass judgement on ANYONE, that would include Trista and then there are some others who believe that an abduction really did happen and again no one is pointing a finger at Trista nor have they specified a parental or non parental abduction.

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    5. I agree, Tori. Where has Trista ever been accused of abducting or harming Ayla? Trista has brought suspicion upon HERSELF with her own words (or via Jeff).

      Jeff...any word on whether Trista will submit to another poly? Or why the Machiasport trip took several months to surface? Or why Trista is working with Cynthia Caron for an updated age-enhanced photo when Ayla is "unequivably" gone?

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    6. BEYOND CONFUSED, probably via jeff, that being said.. Trista is not a suspect (take it with a grain of salt as LE has not verified it for you) and since she is no longer a suspect there will not be another polygraph test..

      Don't know why Machiasport trip took so long to surface for you, but we knew about from day 1..

      The aged photo started with Cynthia Caron suggestion months ago..that's all I know about it

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    7. Of course, Trista is not being accused on this blog! Persih the thought. What were the last two posts about, Tori? Hinting that Trista is a suspect. She has brought "suspicion upon herself".

      Good grief, of course the Justin defenders have to point in her direction. Who else have they got to point to when LE says "There was no abduction."

      The defenders have even intimated that LE meant no "stranger abduction" so, therefore Trista fits the bill of a parent in a custodial kidnapping, not an "abduction". Any port in a storm to defend Justin and DEFLECT to TRISTA. The defenders also read a lot into things. LE speaks in sub-texts evidently, according to some of Justin's pro bono group.

      When has LE voiced any suspicion that Trista is "withholding information", and "not being forthcoming"? Never.

      Have they voiced that concern about the DiPietro four? Yes, indeed LE has said in a number of ways, in almost every news statement, that the"three in the house are not telling all they know". DiPietros are withholding information about a missing child...their child!

      Has LE said that Trista's story "does not pass the straight-face test"? No, they have not.

      Did LE say that about the DiPietro story? Yes. And what does that mean? LE does not believe at least some aspects of the DiPietros' account.

      Did LE cite Trista and her family for not keeping Ayla's name in the public's eye? No. in fact LE complimented the maternal family for keeping Ayla's name in the forefront of the news.

      LE dinged the DiPietros for not keeping Ayla's name before the public. Justin said that he thought Ayla was getting enough coverage and publicity. Can you imagine a worried parent saying this when his child is missing when all experts say that a parent of a missing child must do this.







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    8. The Graphic artist that was working with Cindy at the time said it was too soon draw a current photo of Ayala as not that many changes could have occurred..

      But let me ask you this Confused, Someone wants to draw a photo of how your daughter would look today, or in 8 years, or even 16 years later.. would you not welcome the chance to see the memories you missed?

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    9. Jeff, a question for you.


      You say that you all knew about the Machaisport trip on day 1. Then may I ask, why was it Trista told the public that she was at the Maine Motel and the police came there to search where she and Jessica were for Ayla before she went to Waterville?

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    10. IMO this was a lie told on national tv (nancy grace)...mind you, it was a lie by omission.

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    11. Anonymous @8:09, as much as you speak of Justin & all of these factual things regarding his character, you must know him quite well. How long have you known him? Did you ever meet Ayla? Clearly, with all this inside information on Justin, you'll be able to offer valuable insight on this case & this blog.

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    12. A4A,
      Not confused, but no, personaly I would not.
      If my child was deceased, I would not want advanced pictures of her at various ages. I would want to preserve my memories of her as I knew her.
      I would not want the agony of memories I would miss.
      However, if my daughter was missing, I would want and plead for, age-progressed photo's of her as time went on, until she was found.

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    13. Katie; I have no idea what Trista may have said to Nancy Grace. I don't follow sensational television (well, a few episodes of Jerry Springer maybe, but that's about it). a lie by omission, maybe.

      But personally, I would not tell Nancy Grace everything anyway.. would you? In fact if she came knocking at my door I'd lock myself in the bathroom.. well probably the bedroom .. I have cable TV in there.

      http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2012/12/ayla-reynolds-why-no-arrests.html

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    14. Nancy Grace = tabloid TV as far as I'm concerned. She sensationalizes even the most benign facts. I won't hold it against Trista that she didn't tell Nancy Grace "everything" when she went on the show, just as I won't hold it against Justin that his half-sarcastic offer for Nancy Grace to visit him for a day was turned down when a producer showed up. If anything, I think Justin was smart for her avoiding her in the end.

      Jeff, it sounds like you don't hold any grudge towards Justin for avoiding her in the end either. If I'm right, I say good for you for recognizing her for what she is regardless of the "ammo" you could conjure up from Justin not going on her show.

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    15. Jeff...Katies asked:

      "You say that you all knew about the Machaisport trip on day 1. Then may I ask, why was it Trista told the public that she was at the Maine Motel and the police came there to search where she and Jessica were for Ayla before she went to Waterville?"

      Why no response to this valid question, Jeff?

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    16. BEYOND CONFUSED.. I did; re-read through the comments and follow the train of thought.. assuming Trista "told the public" through Nancy Grace.. but I really have no idea.

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    17. the space betweenMarch 2, 2013 at 6:11 PM

      I am not sure I understand the rationale behind holding Phoebe and Trista to a different standard. Phoebe withheld info, lied by omission, to Susan Candiotti. She then spoke to LE and voluntarily corrected herself with Susan the next day. Trista withheld info, lied by omission, to Nancy Grace. Trista's friend Amanda outright said Trista was in South Portland with no transportation. None of that was retracted. It was released months later where Trista actually was. How is it that some judge Phoebe's "lie" as bad, and excuse Trista's?

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    18. the space between, I think the key word of your post is that "some" judge. Not everyone. I've never thought much of Phoebe's original statement that she later corrected. Imagine the state of mind of ALL of the people involved early on - these are not worldy, media-savvy people who should know better. These are (ALL of them) people in crisis with no experience with the media thrown into a situation they have no idea how to deal with. We live pretty sheltered lives here in Maine. I'm sure this was new and unwanted territory for everyone involved. I have compassion for all of them as they were thrown into the spotlight. I'm more interested in what has been said by all of the parties as time goes by and they've had time to adjust to the reality of the situation they're in. I'm not impressed by either side in that regard.

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    19. Forget Nancy Grace, Jeff. Why didn't YOU mention Machiasport?

      You knew about the trip from Day One, right?

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    20. Jeff, I happen to agree that Nancy Grace is sensational television.
      You then link to Peter Hyatt's blog.
      Are you saying that Peter Hyatt's blog is of the same, sensationalism?
      I'd be surprised if you felt that, so just wondering.

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    21. BC; Why didn't I mention Machiasport? I did:

      http://news.yahoo.com/justin-dipietro-didn-t-tell-trista-reynolds-baby-152200570.html

      Is your question why did I not mention it before than? simple, nobody asked us (except MSP).. I only mentioned it to Carol because she asked.

      Anon 6:43; Negative, Peter Hyatt's blog is highly respected. Unfortunately, I have not seen any new posts since 11/12

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    22. Jeff, where and at what time (or about what time) did Trista meet up with Robert Fortier to go to Machiasport? I've heard conflicting stories that Robert lived in Sanford and that Robert lived in Winslow (or another town near Waterville). Where did that trip originate and when?

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    23. Anon 8:08; I do not know the exact time, but judging from what Trista told me (in the link above) I would say probably 9am.

      Robert Fortier lives, and traveled from Sanford to pick Trista up (from the motel I assume). If I find out otherwise from Trista... I will let you know...

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    24. Sanford makes more sense and is what I had assumed to be correct; South Portland would be "on the way" to Machiasport rather than a huge extra drive in the the opposite direction. Thank you for qualifying your response as assumption on the other issues. I understand and appreciate that.

      It's rather surreal to imagine that Trista's future father-in-law picked her up at a motel at 9am (give or take, I know you're speculating) and the police showed up an hour later to search for her missing daughter. On the one hand, I'd imagine Trista would be happy for the opportunity to see Ray and I assume she brought Ray Jr. to see his dad. On the other, it's a long drive for a visit so I assume it wasn't a regular thing.

      So my next question - What was the thought process that went into putting together the timeline that was posted in January 2012? It was relevant to mention that Trista had filed for Parental Rights on the 15th, but not relevant to mention that Trista was en route to Machiasport on the morning of the 17th when Ayla was reported missing. Since you knew about it, what was the process that led to the decision to leave that out of the timeline at that time?

      Thanks in advance.

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    25. 8:41-8:56 (times vary according to different media outlets)
      DiPietro calls 911 to report Ayla missing

      9:00
      Robert Fortier picks Trista up from Maine Motel (Jeffrey's speculation)

      9:30
      Police arrive at Ronald Reynolds home

      10:00
      Robert Fortier/Trista near Ellsworth, receive call from Ronald Reynolds; police also search Maine Motel where Jessica Reynolds is staying

      11:30
      Trista learns that Ayla is missing

      I'm sure you can see the error in this timeline.

      Compiled from here: http://news.yahoo.com/justin-dipietro-didn-t-tell-trista-reynolds-baby-152200570.html

      and here: http://www.kjonline.com/news/closer-look-at-cases-earliest-moments_2012-12-17.html

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    26. 8:51 a.m., a person was reported missing on Violette Avenue.

      http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/Saturdays-police-logs17.html?searchterm=police+log+missing+violette
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      I think this is the most accurate time of the 911 call since it originates from dispatch at the WPD.

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  7. Tori, I think you're doing a great job here. This is a much needed forum. I could do with a little less ranting from certain People, though...if you get what I mean.

    My mind is not likely to change, but I think this post gives the "other side" a fair shot.

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    1. Thank you. I am honestly trying to be fair and objective and look at the whole picture without blinders on.

      I hope you will also join in on the discussion here as your insight is also welcomed

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    2. Tori, I feel if you were being fair you would edit or contain Obscure's comments. We all know what she means, she has been spouting off ridiculous slanderous things about Trista, John P. and Jeff for some time. I thought you said this blog was not going to allow this. I think you should have her go back to her own blog if she wants to continue with it. . . it spoils yours.

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    3. I see you migrated to this blog. Welcome. Slander, eh? Let's talk about slander, shall we?

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    4. For starters, I don't see anywhere where she has said anything about John. Jeff approved the comments by Obscure about him, I didn't so if he doesn't have an issue how can I? As far as Trista, this blog isn't pro one parent so if comments are and have been approved calling Justin a murderer etc, how is it not being fair that comments regarding Trista are not posted?

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  8. I think the important thing is to still look for an alive Ayla, it will do no harm.jmo

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    1. No it won't do any harm and until we are told with 100% certainty that it is hopeless we should all continue to look for a live Ayla as well because I can't think of a better ending to this case than a little girl being reunited with her family

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    2. I think it's important to look for both. While it is good to look for an alive Ayla, one cannot ignore the possibility that Ayla may be deceased. Therefore, keeping ones eyes open to both possibilites is the best way to proceed. Ignoring one possibility and concentrating on only an alive Ayla does not do her justice. IMO

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    3. I agree that both avenues need to be followed. LE has been focusing their searches for a deceased Ayla and while it is a good probability that she is not alive, it certainly does not hurt for the public to keep an eye out while in malls, shopping centers, restaurants etc for that off chance she is alive. I don't think anyone is saying to look for one thing and not the other

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    4. I agree look for both, I just wanted to be sure alive was an option. Some sites it is not. Also what harm would it do to the case for LE to say how much of Aylas blood was found? It couldn't hurt their case, I really don't think they know if it was more than a small cut, or a pint, or a cup. If they knew how much with no doubt, they would say so.jmo

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    5. LE in many cases do not want to jeopardize the intergrity of their case by putting too much out before the trial. Also,l many times all sorts od sick people confess to crimes they did not commit, or witness events they did not witness. Much is held back from the general public so that LE can determine whether information given is sound.

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    6. Anon 12:16pm, that is how I feel as well. IMO, anyone who excludes one possibility or the other is doing Ayla a disservice by dismissing that she could be alive or that she could be deceased. With the exception of those who were involved or may have witnessed what happened, none of actually know for sure. Those who say "I'm only looking for an alive Ayla" and those who say "Ayla's gone and there's no point in looking for her alive" are both doing Ayla a disservice, IMO. She needs to be found and returned to her loved ones, no matter what. And she needs justice for what she's gone through, no matter what. It just seems to me that we can all be the most productive and helpful if we look for her everywhere!

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    7. toni I think you and the people that are running this site is doing a great job.I believe to what dana wrote we should also be looking for a live ayla too.I hope I did not cause conflict with you jeff about question the trip that justin took to portland the morning that ayla become missing.It just sounded not right for a father to discover his daughter missing and drive down to portland to see if trisha side of the family took her.I know when I lost my son and he was gone 1/2 hour and then found him under the bed sleeping. that 1/2 I was in panic.I ALSO BELIEVE TRISHA IS NOT INVOLE WITH AYLA DISAPEARANCE.I just wish that things that are said are not blow up when ex. the blood and trip to portland. I just pray for ayla to be found and juctice serve on the person or persons involved.I been follow this case since day one.I live very close to were it happen.

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  9. From here on out, no more labels of Justin Accusers or Justin Excusers because it is attacking individuals for their opinion, address individuals by usernames but stop the labeling.

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    1. Will do. One of my last posts had accusers in it. It may have been before this announcement, but regardless I hadn't seen it until now.

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    2. Lots have posted with one or the other and I understand that it is easy to respond that way but I think it would make things easier on both sides and I know I immediately get defense when I see either even if the comment isn't directed towards me. :)

      I am happy to see you posting here Michelle and how you and some others have been very respectful and supportive of this new venture.

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    3. Thanks, Tori. I appreciate your stance on things, and your willingness to approach this differently, along with providing a neutral zone where we can hash it out :)

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    4. Tori, thank you for that. I have seen people on both sides use backhanded derogatory labels of one side or the other, one parent or the other, and it makes me cringe every time. It is certainly not conducive to establishing a civil, respectable dialog.

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    5. You can whitewash the truth, but it's still the truth. I won't use any of those terms in future posts. But a rose by any other name, is still a rose. There will be times when in the course of discussion, one may have to label what a given activity is. People with thin skins (and that isn't aimed at anyone) need to know that a discussion of a case such as this, might need to contain descriptive names. Good luck having productive conversations and dialog though. Remember, that if one tries hard enough they will always find something that offends them. ;)

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  10. I agree objectivity and critical thinking is important- including fairly, openly, and politely questioning assumptions, pointing out inconsistencies, etc. Going too far to create balance where there is none (in specific instances, not overall) is not helping find the truth. The police say very strongly there was no abduction; Ayla's blood was found in the DiPietro home in a substantial amt; the W 3 or 4 aren't telling what they know-- so why pretend a benevolent illegal adoption could have happened? It's not a reasonable possibility.

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    1. Anon 4:32, it could be just one more deflection technique. Cindy Anthony is the momma of all deflection techniques and it worked well in Florida for her. Another one she used is the constant "Caylee is alive out there somewhere. Why aren't the police following leads?"

      She almost gave the game away by adding, "Caylee isn't in the woods somewhere! She is out there with Zanny! Find her!"

      As she was wearing Caylee's ashes around her neck in "death jewelry", Cind said, "I still believe Caylee is alive out there!"

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    2. Anon 4:32 Police say they don't believe an abduction took place. There was blood found , they did not state a substantial amount.They do not believe they are telling all they know about what went on. This is what I had read, yours is worded a little differently. So why add more to it than what LE has said? Maybe you recollect what was stated a little differently than I do. Not accusing you of any wrong doing so please don't be upset .

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    3. MW, you said that everyone should look everywhere for Ayla. I think six months ago, it was determined that more than half a million dollars of a stretched Maine budget had gone into searching for Ayla.

      Do you think that LE never looked for an alive Ayla after spending all this money? If they had neglected a search, and hadn't followed all leads and tips to where an alive Ayla might be, they would have run into big trouble with the defense and accused of rush to judgement and following only one aspect of the case. They can't afford for this to happen so they cover all bets...even psychic tips, which wasted their time.

      Why doesn't Justin look for Ayla? His statement to the person he addressed as "You are not her parent..." and adding that the person probably thought he/she was giving Ayla a better life, sounds as if Justin had an idea of who might have taken Ayla.

      It sounded as if he didn't want to give that person away. Yet, Justin claimed to LE that he "had no idea" of what happened to Ayla.

      Well for one thing he called LE and said Ayla was missing, presumed "taken". It sounds as if he had at least a slim idea of what happened to her. The main thing is Justin didn't seem worried about her. Now, in private, he may be tearing out his hair and frantic, but we saw none of that. Shall I say, he seemed lacking in worry or even emotion as to his child's condition. Much like one who knew she was dead and so what's the use?

      Phoebe certainly talked about "Nothing happened to Ayla, except she was taken." No biggie! But she did say she had been nervous because she kept thinking of "somebody" casing "your house." I presume she meant her house.

      What,if anything, has Justin DiPietro done to find an alive Ayla? Did he go out personally "kicking in doors to find her"? Did he and his family and friends pool resources and hire a private detective to help find an alive Ayla? Did he work closely with a nationally recognized missing children's organization to find her?

      No, he quickly abandoned working with a respected missing children's org. to go with Angela Harry's, a recognized finder of missing children, and TLLOM. Smooth move! What has TLLOM actually done to find an alive Ayla? Oh, yes, their many billboards in ...how many states?

      I think there were some reported sightings of one billboard put out by one of the national missing children's organization for which TLLOM seemed to take credit. How many people have found an Ayla missing billboard in his/her state?

      I searched in vain for a billboard along two interstates which I regularly travel because my state was one in which TLLOM had placed billboards. It was hard going; I wished Heidi and Angela had given me more to go on like "The billboard in your state is located in the vicinty of_________and _________."

      Finally, the FBI team -- experts in child abduction cases, left within two days of being called in on the case announcing to LE that there were no signs of an abduction. Two District attorneys were called out to the crime scene. Soon after, LE determined that "foul play" had occurred at the Violette Ave. home. MSP announced their finding of Ayla's blood in the house.

      By all means search the faces of little three-year-olds in the malls and playgrounds everywhere. Look for an alive Ayla. But if her father doesn't do likewise, nor expresses any concern for her welfare with the abductor, I'd say it's more than "highly unlikely" that Ayla is dead. And he knows it.



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    4. Anon 145:

      What do you know of what Justin has or has not done regarding the things posted above? Do you know that, in fact, the paternal family DID hire a private investigator? And that Justin HAS helped distribute fliers? Not only here in Waterville but also in the Portland/OOB area with Courtney??

      Did you know that Justin actually told the police who he thinks took Ayla, but they can't publicly accuse someone of something of this magnitude without hard evidence?? (Hence no arrests made at all yet)

      Did you not hear McClausland at the last press conference say that, although their presence isn't seen daily, the FBI is still very involved on the case??

      I'm sorry you didn't personally see any Billboards. There were plenty of them from California (one my brother saw outside San Francisco), Texas, and the Mid-West.

      TLLOM has also sent fliers and informational ppackets to nearly every major bus and train station across the USA. We enlisted in our family and closest friends to help assure this project for Ayla was completed - and Justin helped us every step of the way.

      I'm sorry he doesn't have enough screen time to please you. For those of us who have worked with him to find his daughter, we know how he's feeling and dealing with his tragedy.

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    5. Katie, that's just you telling us what Justin did or does. Why can't Justin speak for himself? If he is doing all these things to find his daughter, if he is concerned for her wellbeing, WHY isn't he talking publicly? You have to understand why people in the general public wonder these things about Justin. We saw Trista, we heard Trista, we were able to get a sense of who or what she is. Perhaps a handful of people have been given that of Justin, too. But certainly you nor anyone else can expect the general public to just take your word or their word for it? People have a tendency to want to make up their own minds what they think and Justin has been good at not giving the public any view of him. So we are left to come to our own conclusions. Given the fact that the LE state no abduction and that the three adults aren't telling all they know, well that certainly cause our suspicions to lean toward Justin, Elisha and Courtney. Yet, they do absolutely nothing to cause us to think otherwise. Like it or not, the court of public opinion does count. And it counts for a lot. If this case ever does go to a trial, it's the public who will make up the jury pool. Now, I'm not rocket scientist, but if it were me, I'd like to think I did everything possible to show the public the real me. And if Justin, Elisha and Courtney are all you say, why not? The answers everyone seeks lies with those who know and aren't saying.

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    6. The court of public opinion counts? Ruh-roh...

      I don't want to get on a soapbox, but remember how that lovely court of public opinion helped acquit OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony, and countless others?

      All of the public does not believe that Justin is guilty, and I'm sure the jury will be made up of people who are not as judgmental and tuned into this case as you and I.

      The general public has no idea who Justin is?

      Are you saying that despite all of the lies and drama, the public knows who Trista is? Is that who she really is? A drug addicted, troubled woman, who either abused/neglected her children to the point that an outside agency had to step in? Is she a woman who "gets around" as indicated by her having a "one-night stand" with Justin, cheating on her incarcerated boyfriend with Justin, and then having a few boyfriends shortly there after? Three kids, three babies daddies, not a ring on either finger?

      Surely you're not suggested that is who Trista is, but that damn sure is what the "general public" knows about her.

      If Justin has half as much baggage, it's best he keep those lips zipped...I wonder why Trista was not advised to do the same?

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    7. The general public knows of her what she has shown of herself. Not necessarily what others have said about her. Unfornately, people have said things about both Justin and Trista that are merely their perception and not necessarily what is. I never said it was in Justin's best interest to talk, but it certainly hasn't done him any good to stay silent, either.

      Regardless, this crime won't be solved until the adults who know what happened speak. It won't be solved by you or I on a blog, or page.

      Public opinion for OJ was that he was guilty, unfortunately the prosecutors in the case botched it. I didn't observe the Casey Anthony case, so can say why she was left off, though obviously guilty.

      Do I think Justin is guilty, too? Not necessarily. But I do believe he is hiding important information that could solve this case for his daughter. Of course, I can only assume that is because what he knows is not good.

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    8. Yikes, I really need to type these outside and do a spell check :)

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    9. Eh...spell check is overrated. ;)

      I agree that this crime can't be solved until the person who took/has Ayla speaks. Public opinion for OJ depended on what part of the public you belonged to...there were definitely people who thought he was railroaded---hence the prosecution botching it. Affairs, planted evidence, etc. There also people who thought he was getting special treatment because he was rich, famous, and could afford his "dream team."

      That's neither here nor there, though.

      It hasn't really done Trista much good to talk IMO, and in your opinion staying silent hasn't helped Justin. All of the things we've heard from Trista have done NOTHING to clear the air. All we have from her are statements that muddy the water and cast suspicion upon her. Take for instance Jeffrey and his numerous retractions, corrections, clarifications, etc.

      The truth is the truth, and it does not change. By saying one thing, and then later saying you were confused or misunderstood or mistaken, you make people doubt everything else you've said.

      The criminal mind is an interesting one, that's for sure!

      If Justin is not "necessarily guilty" why do you think he would be hiding important information?

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    10. I don't concern myself with what helps/hurts Trista or what helps/hurts Justin. That certainly is something they have to decide for themselves. What I am concerned with is what helps/hurts Ayla.

      Perhaps "hiding" wasn't the right word. I say Justin is not necessarily guilty, because he could have information that is important and does not realize it. Perhaps there is something that happened, that to Justin (or Elisha, Courtney) that does not seem to be related, but in fact could be related. It is clear from LE that they believe that is the case, that the 3 have not told everything.

      It is obvious that whoever did something to Ayla is not talking and it's even more difficult to believe it could be one person. Actually, it's easier to believe one person could have done something with her, than to believe that one person is hiding her out.

      Yes, the truth is the truth and what has happened has happened. Nothing will change the past, but the future is something else. Those who know what happened can turn this around. Until we hear from that person or persons, nothing will likely change. I think they believe that too and hence, not talking.

      Perhaps Justin and Trista should say to heck with everyone else and both get together and talk publicly for their daughter. If each believe the other isn't guilty, then come together and speak out for Ayla. None of us speaking out for her is going to change anything for her. IMO

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    11. If he "doesn't realize it" then what gives? How would he miraculously come up with this tidbit, over a year later, that doesn't seem related, but it actually is? I would guess he's racked his brain trying to make heads of tails. I'm sure he's questioned all of his actions, all of the things going on around him, all of the people around him.

      I doubt that all 3 are involved. The more people who know, the more chances the perp will be caught. That's a fact; that's reality.

      Aside from that, 2 of the people who are accused have children of their own. Would they cover for someone else? Not likely. If Justin is the innocent one, would he cover for them? Not likely, it's his daughter that's gone.

      It's easier, for me, to believe that someONE took Ayla and she is still alive. That, I can see people covering for. That could be rationalized. Murdering a child, not so much. There is nothing to indicate that Courtney, Justin, or Elisha are dysfunctional enough to rationalize something like that. Not Phoebe. Not Heidi. Not Derek. Some people are contending that 5-7 people are involved in this cover up. That's NOT plausible.

      That's insane.

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    12. Sometimes, we don't know we have answers, until we talk it out. Then someone else might point out something that did not seem important to us at the time. Isn't that what is happening at blogs all the time?

      I've never thought anyone murdered anyone (so to speak), but certainly an accident could be covered up and if others thought it was not intentional, might be ok with helping to protect the person involved.

      Actually, I think the accidental death makes the most sense considering what we do know. As to who knows, or how many know and are covering, that could be debated. It's possible that only one knows. It's also possible that more know and feel a sense of responsibility and are hanging in together.

      Seems that some possibilities are endless. But hearing what Justin, Courtney, Elisha and even Phoebe have to say (publicly) might just help change the direction of people's thought processes. Heaven knows everyone danced around what is out there to date with no results. If Justin has nothing to hide, as they all say he doesn't, why not give what he has to say publicly a go around too? Nothing ventured nothing gained. Of course, I think there are more reasons to him not talking then he's shy, or worried about accusing Trista, or it being about HIM and not Ayla. All those things that people have said he said.

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    13. SMH, I don't know who you are but I have liked your posts here and tend to agree with what I'm perceiving is your frame of mind: We don't have the answers but we have perceptions we can form opinions on based on who's talking and what they're saying. If our perceptions are wrong, by all means, let's hear it from those who can bring more clarity to the situation directly. So far, in 14 months, despite some sketchiness, my opinion hasn't changed all too much though it might be less solid. But I WANT a reason to change my opinion, and there's only one place that can really come from - 29 Violette Ave. Unfortunately, they don't seem to care what I think.

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    14. Anon 6:11 PM, Exactly. I've had my opinion for a while. I've also gone back and forth in that opinion. Whatever anyone thinks is based on a mixture of facts, theories and perceptions of what they see and read. I would love the opportunity to form another perception of Justin, Courtney, Elisha and Phoebe. But it doesn't seem likely that there will be that opportunity. Apparently they have been convinced that keeping silent is in their best interest. I can't believe that anyone would tell them it was in Ayla's best interest.

      I do not know what they think, or what they do or don't do. I can make assumptions based on what I see and hear (from others) and from what I do not see or hear from them. Some behavior is predictable. I find it odd that a loving, caring father who everyone says loves his daughter, believes she has been kidnapped, yet is not publicly keeping her in the public eye.

      I can remember Beth (Natalee Holloway's mother) hounded the press, did everything possible to keep Natalee's case in view. Even while she was being cruxified by the people on blogs, etc. She didn't care, her daughter was missing and she wanted her back. I know that Beth likely had more resources, but surely any newspaper, tv show, etc. would be willing to do an interview with Justin (and/or Trista) and allow them to plead to the "kidnappers". Or plead to anyone who might know something. Why leave this to strangers? Why leave it to the general public to do what they should be doing and doing it loudly?

      If they (Justin, Elisha, Courtney and Phoebe) have no reason to hide, if everything is as they say it is and was, why not be out here pushing to find Ayla (where we can all see it and help). This does not make sense to me. All excuses as to why Justin does not speak in public don't cut it, in my opinion. Right now, I believe the only thing that will move this case, or has a chance of picking up speed is if Justin does come out. JMO

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    15. All three of the people in the house have spent countless hours talking it out with law enforcement. Weeks of answering questions and recounting everything they can think of. If I were Justin, I think I would be recounting it in my head every day.

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    16. tell me more, I'm sure they have. But like Trista words have been analyzed and gone over with a fine tooth comb on the blogs, why not Justin's? There have been a lot of fixing of stories and corrections, based on different people pointing out inconsistencies. Unless Justin has something to hide from the public, why not speak out?

      They have spent weeks talking with law enforcement? Has LE stated that they now believe they know everything from Justin, Elisha and Courtney? Or does their statement that LE believes the three are not telling everything still stand? I know you don't have the answer to those questions, the questions are (obviously) rhetorical.

      I just cannot believe that anyone (stranger or someone known to the family) walked into that house on Violette Ave, took Ayla out of a room she normally did not sleep in and walked out, then proceeded to disappear along with Ayla, without one of the adults hearing something. Nope, my reasonable mind can't buy that. And with these three not talking publicly, quickly lawyering up, my perception tells me it's likely that they have information that would lead us to Ayla. But for whatever reason they have decided not to say. That's just my opinion, based on their own actions/non-actions. I may be totally wrong, but I might be right, too.

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    17. Of course, the reason they are not speaking publicly could be because they believe Ayla is better off where she is(and they know where).

      Just another option to explain their behavior.

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    18. I'm wondering how many times it has happened that a kidnapper willingly returned a child, that they had full intention of taking, because the parents pleaded for them to?
      I don't know the answer, but I have serious doubts that it has ever happened.

      I don't know what more Justin can say to the public about the night/morning that Ayla was discovered missing, that hasn't already been said. Especially given they didn't see or hear anyone that night/morning.
      There may be some things that could be investigatively important not to say to the public.

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    19. SMH said "Apparently they have been convinced that keeping silent is in their best interest. I can't believe that anyone would tell them it was in Ayla's best interest."

      That is the key for me as well. I don't want to believe that someone in that home harmed and disappeared Ayla, but what else am I supposed to think at this point? Sure, there's some inconsistencies that raise doubts in my mind. I can use logic to create another scenario. But my gut can't get over the fact that Justin has said so little while the little evidence that's been released says so much. He seems more interested in hiding out and avoiding talking about Ayla than he does clearing his name and demanding his version of the truth is taken seriously so Ayla can be found and justice served.

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    20. to SMH...find your theories very much in alignment with my own...another thought of why they might not feel the need to talk...is their in 'indifference' toward Ayla...why should we assume they loved her, after only spending eight weeks with her...did they really bond with this little girl?..somewhat like their 'apathy' toward the mother of a missing child...

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  11. Dana the substantial amount reference came from a news article and was attributed to police. I know some don't accept it because it was not a direct quote.
    - Anon 4:32

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  12. I have a question. In all seriousness, if the photos of luminol enhanced blood were more than a Cup.Would LE have let Justin run out as stated. If it was a life threatening amount, which that amount most definitely would be IMO. I don't believe LE would let him leave the room much less the building.

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    1. I don't think they had a choice. He wasn't charged with any crime.

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    2. Please provide the link from the media (and I'm not talking about some yahoo contributor blog) and/or LE that states Justin "ran" out of the building after being confronted with the blood?

      Thank you.

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    3. I think this is one of those details that is meant to sound damning, but it's really not.

      a) it probably didn't happen
      b) how would YOU react to being shown pictures of your child's blood, especially if you're hoping said child will be found alive?
      c) it probably didn't happen

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    4. Janet
      Justin was not under arrest, therefore could not be detained.

      Confused
      There was a news article that stated Justin "ran" from the building.
      It was in the same article that McCausland called out as being, irresponsible, inaccuate, and unatributed.
      She then made several changes to her article.
      "Ran from the buliding" was one of them, to "left the buliding".

      I would have left the building as well, if LE was telling me this is your child's blood, and I knew it wasn't.

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    5. Anonymous 1:29...not to get too corny, but I just heard Keith Partridge's line "I think I love you" ring through my ears...

      "Running out of the police station" is just another example of a fallacy morphing into FACT.

      This is bullshit.

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    6. I'm sorry but, fallacy morphing into fact.Your a little behind on the morphing. It Morphed way back in Jan/2012. At the beginning of this blog. They were talking about blood evidence and amount.The point I was trying to make earlier with my question /statement, is the probability that it happened like that,was probably Nill. Evidently it came out incorrect.

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    7. I'm sorry, Janet. I don't undertand you post. No offense, but it sounds like you have marbles in your mouth and it comes across your keyboard.

      I was simply asking where it was reported that Justin hot-footed it out of the police station upon seeing the blood evidence. A kind poster here said it was reported, and corrected, from a Boston station.

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    8. Here you go, Beyond Confused:

      http://www.wcvb.com/Hope-Fades-For-Missing-Maine-Toddler/-/9849586/11256878/-/n8alvr/-/index.html
      " Several law enforcement sources said the blood appeared to have been "cleaned up" and that DiPietro left a police station when confronted with luminol-enhanced photos of his daughter?s blood splatters taken by crime scene investigators a week after he reported her missing.

      "Abduction is no longer a part of this investigation. We have grave doubts that an abduction took place and there is no evidence to support it," Stephen McCausland, spokesman for Maine Department of Public Safety, told Newscenter 5.

      "We are focused on what happened to her in that house. There are three people in the house that have not been truthful. Their story does not pass the smell test," he said."

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    9. Right away what stands out to me is words like..sources...(McCausland is the only official spokesman for Ayla's case).. appeared...doubts...no evidence...smell test.
      Doesn't sound conclusive to me.

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    10. Yeah anon, except the grave doubts, no evidence and smell test words were all in the context of disputing the idea of an abduction. It might not be conclusive but it's clearly being said to dispel the theory of an abduction as they focused in on what happened to Ayla in that house. In that regard, it does sound pretty conclusive that they aren't buying the abduction story, have no reason to buy it, and have reason to not buy it.

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    11. What catches my eye is, "there are three people in that house that have not been truthful."

      Not that they are holding anything back, not that they aren't telling everything they know, but that they have not been truthful.

      And, "Abduction is no longer a part of this investigation"

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    12. Absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence.
      Because there is no evidence of an abduction, does not conclusively prove there wasn't one.

      This article is the one that S.McCausland called out as unattributed, inaccurate, and irresponsible, with a few changes made afterwards.
      It contains a number of things that S. McCausland has never said, or made reference to, in any other article or PC's, such as blood splatter, and cleaned up blood.
      For those who wish to consider it accurate that's fne, but I do not.

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  13. Anon 9:35 (previous comment - new thread); The "Ayla's Timeline" was still a work in progress. I was writing down the Reynold's family information while their memories were still fresh. I was by no means finished as more information was coming in every day. We had not yet even decided to even make it public yet.

    But as fate would have it, an earlier version had been lifted off the server and posted (at JSTL I believe), So I made the decision to post what I had to date on aylareynolds.com in contrast to the earlier version that had been posted.. the same day in fact.

    Yes, I could have protected the file on the server, but I do not regret it, for it is the truth as the Reynold's remembered it. Personally, I wanted it posted.

    But It is by no means complete and without Justin's help (and we have asked several times) It never could be. I have abandoned adding any more to it, because at this point it would just be "changing the story".. and from what we know it's not a happy ending..

    Too bad though, if someone had not found the backed up timeline and posted it, it would have been much more extensive. ..it just does not matter to us anymore.

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    1. "Too bad though, if someone had not found the backed up timeline and posted it, it would have been much more extensive. ..it just does not matter to us anymore."

      Ayla isn't worth it anymore because someone published your incorrect timeline even though you personally wanted it posted anyway? If you don't care, why are you here?

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    2. It was not at JSTL, my blog was not even created back then. The document was not lifted off any server. Someone at Hinky Meter did a google search for "aylareynolds.com" and the document returned as the first result. Then it was posted to Websleuths and other sites like that. It was not encrypted, password protected, or anything else.

      The version released to the public IS drastically different. I don't see how or why you would/could deny that.

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    3. Anon 9:17 I have no interest in updating it. Last time I tried was on A4A.. and I got "he's changing the story" and comments like yours. believe what you want. Everything that was going to be on the timeline has come out within the blogs and the press anyway. nothing new to say.

      Charla, Yes, you are correct it was not your blog. (interesting, wasn't Websleuths your old stomping ground)? Anyway, I believe it was The hinky meter.

      I never said it was protected and I'm not denying anything. It was the 1st draft (that contained names) and it was a backup. The one I was working on my laptop was over a month newer that one.. of course it going to be drastically different, what's wrong with you?

      Oh right, you never take time to think before you speak, so you would not know that.. :)

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    4. Jeffrey, in order to be insulted by you, I must first value you opinion. Keep that in mind when you're thinking up your tacky one-liners. The "Charla" thing is cute, but it would be just as effective as me calling you Ronald (which I'm sure Becca did a time or two).

      At any rate, the truth does not change. Even if the document was a month newer, it would contain the same old truth, right? There were more changes than just names.

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    5. If you allow Jeff's asinine comments, I think he can handle the reply being posted.

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    6. You got it, Obscure. I wish Jeff would stop calling you Charla. The "proof" of who he thinks you are isn't proof at all to anyone who knows anything about the internet & IP addresses.

      Get over it, Jeff, will you? Show some respect, and you my find yourself getting some in return.

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    7. Michelle, Call me crazy, but isn't Obscure calling Peter Hyatt, PEETER.... the same? When wants respect, they need to also show they can be respectful. It's a two way street.

      Interesting you point out Jeff calling Obscure Charla, but aren't bothers by Obscure calling Peter Peeter.

      Perhaps Obscure just has a sticky eeee key. ;)

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    8. Charla, I wasn't trying to insult you.. it's a gift :) If I have to explain what I meant.. well never mind..

      Michelle; ..are you here for Charla or are you here for that photo you use for your image.. Seriously, I can't tell the difference anymore.

      Anyway, I have taken myself off comment moderation as I start working 60 + hours again next week and simply do not have the time to blog.

      I have answered all the questions I could to the best of my knowledge, but I do get tired of repeating myself sometimes.. and that is not fair to those who just want answers for Ayla..

      So if you contact Tori or Katie and I will do my best to answer any other questions through their e-mails. Tori's email is in the "Contacts" page and I assume that Katie will be putting one in their as well..?

      Meantime, I am encouraged to see everyone coming together for a greater good. My only advice is too not take opposition too personally (no matter how dumb they sound :).. That is the first mistake you can make.. to make it not about Ayla.. and I speak from my own mistakes.. Take care guys..

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    9. Jeffrey, you're a gift that keeps on giving...that's FOR SURE.

      The last paragraph, well said. Take care!

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    10. Damn! You figured me out. I'm here solely to defend Obscure and nothing else, lol.

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    11. Michelle, I see your comment wasn't regarding my note, so I deleted my response. :)

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    12. SMH I think you realize the difference. You seem like a reasonably intelligent person...

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    13. Obscure, definitely reasonably intelligent, I would say. :)

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  14. http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2012/01/trista-reynolds-was-no-mom.html

    This is a very interesting article. A few minor details are inaccurate, but I agree 100% with the sentiments. As someone with a background in criminal justice, I guess that's to be expected..

    check out Peeter Hyatt's comment. Wow.

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    1. Charla, Yes an interesting interpretation and point of view... little outdated though... got anything new?

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    2. Yes, add another child into the mix. Does that count as new?

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    3. Wow Obscure hadnt seen this one, very interesting. It is refreshing to see a different perspective and I couldnt have said it better. I dont see how thisis outdated at all Jeff.

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    4. http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2012/01/trista-reynolds-was-no-mom.html

      "Trista Reynolds was no mom."

      I disagree. Ayla was in Trista's care from birth until DHHS took Ayla and handed her over to Justin. Ayla, in all images shown with Trista, showed a happy and healthy child. The sparkle in her eye and the smiles on her face in the photos from Trista, showed us all that. Trista was responsible for Ayla and it's obvious she did an excellent job as a Mom (even with her own personal demons). One might note that as soon as DHHS told her they would take Ayla if she didn't go to rehab, she immediately went. That says a lot, in my opinion.

      One might also note that this article was written in January 2012, very shortly after Ayla disappeared. There is a lot more known about Trista and Justin since that time. Yes, this article is outdated!

      Justin Dipeitro who is being vilified by the media of course being lead by poor victimized not responsible Trista just makes me sick.

      What? A mere twenty one days after Ayla was reported missing this writer complains that Justin is being vilified and Trista is a "victim and not responsible" and to boot it "...just makes me sick." That sounds like someone who is taking this awfully personal. No empathy for a mother who just lost her child and has no idea what happened to her or where she is?

      What we do know is that even when she came out of her drug rehab program she only physically saw her daughter two times between November and when baby Ayla went missing on December. No kidding. Ask Justin why Trista wasn't allowed to see Ayla. Ask Justin why Trista was refused when asking to talk to her on the phone. Ask Trista how easy Justin made it for her to see Ayla. I'm not saying I know these things, but Ayla was in Waterville, Trista was in Portland with no car (according to all reports) and Justin wasn't exactly trying to find ways for Ayla to see her mom. Having dealt with custody issues with minors, I can totally understand how one parent can make it impossible for the other parent to see their child. It seems to be easy for the writer of this article to make judgements about visitation without one ounce of knowledge about the details. Sounds to me like the writer has already determined that Trista is just "no good" and that Justin is a saint. In 21 days???

      It seems to be that Justin Depietro (sic) is taking his direction from the police at each step and if you listen closely they are confirming each thing he states in the media. I don't see that at all. What I saw was the authorities saying that Justin and the other adults in that house have not told the truth. How one can see that as "confirming each thing he (Justin) said" is beyond me.

      In summary, the writer of the article posted above is obviously biased against Trista and her family. Not sure why, but it is extremely obvious in this article written a mere 21 days after Ayla was reported missing.

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    5. Smh,

      Trista was told to enter rehab or she would lose her kids. I'd, personally, say that's not great parenting.

      Justin was being vilified because trista was posting all blame on him for everything. This is true as well.

      Justin made Ayla available to Trista. She had a ride to Machaisport, I bet they would have brought her to see Ayla as well. Also, the Greyhound bus station is only a few miles from Justin's house, if even, and I'm sure Trista could have come that way if she needed to. She didn't really seem to try very hard if you ask me....

      And finally.... In the first 21 days, yes, it did seem like Justin was taking his lead from LE, only releasing statements through them. If you look at statements from McClausland or Waterville pd early on they say both families were cooperating.

      I don't know where you got your information in the first 21 days, but this seems spot on for that time period to me.

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    6. Katie, Certainly I do not think it is a good thing that Trista need to go to rehab at all, I was merely pointing out that Ayla did not seem to be neglected. There are many people out there with addiction problems that are still able to care for their children. Ok, it's definitely not great parenting, but it could have been much worse. I give Trista credit that it wasn't worse.

      I'm not surprised that Trista was blaming Justin. After all, Ayla disappeared from his house. He was the person responsible (at that time) for her safekeeping. Whether Trista's blame was warranted or not, it certainly seemed appropriate given the circumstances.

      Well, you can bet they would have brought Trista to Waterville, but only they and Trista know if that is true. The bottom line is, no one but Trista and Justin know whether it is true that Justin made her available, or whether Trista had the means to get to Waterville. One cannot forget that we are talking weeks here, of which some of that time she was in rehab. Trying very hard is a judgement call, I have no idea how hard she tried or what obstacles were in her path.

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    7. As soon as you said the words "UNTIL DHHS TOOK AYLA" you confirmed the original assertion. She was a mother, of course, because Ayla came out of her. Was she parenting Ayla, or Raymond? NO. How many "excellent moms" have their children removed from their care? How many "excellent moms" choose alcohol or drugs over their children? Sure, her going to rehab says a lot. It says she didn't recognize/address the problem on her own, an outside agency had to step in, and only then did she decide to woman up. It also says that her children were either abused or neglected due to her drug/alcohol use. DHHS only intervenes when "excellent" drug addicted moms are brought to their attention. Drugs and children do not mix, isn't that what people keep saying?

      I realize the article is outdated, but I felt like that in the beginning. EVERYTHING I've learned about this case and Trista to this date confirms my initial feeling.
      What? A mere twenty one days after Ayla was reported missing this writer complains that Justin is being vilified and Trista is a "victim and not responsible" and to boot it "...just makes me sick." That sounds like someone who is taking this awfully personal. No empathy for a mother who just lost her child and has no idea what happened to her or where she is?

      Justin was being vilified by the media, and Trista led the charge. She did play the victim; everything from "he was verbally abusive" to "he wouldn't let me see Ayla." She even went as far as to say the only way Justin ended up with Ayla is because DHHS "violated her rights."
      You don't know why Justin didn't let Trista see Ayla, or do you? If he really wanted to keep Ayla away from her, why did go pick her up before going to at least one doctor's appointment for the broken arm? If Trista was so distant from Ayla, at Justin's arrangement, why did he even call her to tell her he was taking Ayla to the ER for said broken arm? She had no transportation, yet she managed to visit Ayla in Waterville at least once, and she visited her felon boyfriend in jail. No transportation? She got around somehow. Where I live, no transportation is no excuse for not visiting your children when they are in custody of the state. The CPS judge here will tell parents if their visit is on a Tuesday, they better start walking on Sunday if need be. Trista was savvy enough to support a drug habit. Could she not hustle up the funds to go see her beloved Ayla? It sounds like you have just as many details as the writer of the article, but that didn't stop you from making leaps and bounds to support your opinions...

      Yeah, I think early on when he was releasing statements through the police, it gave the appearance that he was following their directions. Also, he didn't speak in the media early on at their direction (although it was later cleared up as a misunderstanding).

      I don't think the article is biased against Trista. I think it points out that she was no mother, she did not take adequate care of her children, and she fully embraced the victim role in this case. The ONLY victim is Ayla. Period.

      By the way, OF COURSE Trista would release the best photos she has of Ayla. She had many more to choose from in 18 months than the DiPietros had in 2. The happiest picture I've seen of Ayla was actually taken by Courtney though.

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    8. You fucking rock, Obscure!

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    9. I know. LOL jk I am only callin it how I see it...

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    10. Obscure why don't you go post a new blog post on your own blog. . . . I know its really boring over there, but its yours. You are bringing this one down by posting here and I hope Tori sees it in her to keep her blog the way she intended. The sight of you posting here after reading some of the hateful, gross things you have said disgusts me. Please go away. . . please

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    11. Obscure is welcomed to join the discussion here and I think many have no issues with them being here. My intentions for this blog was to have just this, discussion with all sides and I don't see where anything has crossed the line. Many from both sides have joined the discussion here and so far many have commented on how well they like this forum so something is working,

      If you can't tolerate or don't agree with something said, scroll past it.

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    12. Well put, Tori.

      I never thought I would see the day that you and Obscure would work together on Ayla's behalf. Refreshing to witness.

      And I think Katie H. is a hot-spit. Nice to see the balance.

      Just something to consider: why is this reduced to Justin vs. Trista? A third party could be involved...

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    13. It shouldn't be Justin vs Trista, you are correct because no one really knows what happened.

      I think for Ayla's sake we should all try to work together

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    14. Obscure, Despite your many "fans" here and the condescending comments, I disagree with your assumptions.

      As for, "in jail. No transportation? She got around somehow. Where I live, no transportation is no excuse for not visiting your children when they are in custody of the state. The CPS judge here will tell parents if their visit is on a Tuesday, they better start walking on Sunday if need be."

      You don't live in Maine, do you? It's obvious you have no idea what transportation is like between Portland and Waterville, a 72 to 83 mile "walk", depending on which road you take. There is no mass transportation (so to speak). It's not as easy as hoping a commuter train. For someone lacking in funds, Waterville might as well have been a world away. Yes, I'm sure Trista found friends/family that helped transport her locally. But 160+ miles (there and back)? Not that easy. But then, I have lived in Maine all my life and have a pretty good idea about traveling this state.

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    15. I agree, it should not be Trista vs Justin. I think it became that when people took sides as to "what happened to Ayla". If you believed Ayla was kidnapped, you became viewed as a Justin supporter. If you believed something happened to Ayla, at the hands of the 3 adults in the home that night, you were viewed as a Trista supporter. I don't believe that that was the actual case for anyone, but it was something easy of the opposition to claim. I think for almost everyone it has always been about being an Ayla supporter and finding out what really happened to her.

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    16. Actually, there is a bus from Portland to Waterville and Trista used it one time to visit Ayla at Justin's home.

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    17. Tell me more, correct. But it is not cheap for someone without funds.

      Considering the short length of time Justin had custody of Ayla before she went missing, the distance and the fact Trista was in rehab, just how much opportunity was there even to visit?

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    18. SMH...when there is a will there's a way. I'm sure Trista has friends with vehicles. Wouldn't Jeff, Ron, Ronnie Jr., or Becca give Trista a lift to visit Ayla in Waterville?

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    19. BC, I'm not sure that they have vehicles. It's easy for people to assume what is simple for someone else. None of us know the exact situation. We just make assumptions based on our own point of view.

      How many weeks what Trista in Rehab? What time did she go? Was it somewhere she stayed? or day visits? Does her friends have vehicles? Gas money to travel 160+ miles (oh and tolls if they take the turnpike)? When Trista called (if she did) was anyone home to answer? Did she try to call for visits but get turned down? Did Justin call Trista and ask if she would like to visit? Did he make it easy to visit or hard to visit? (you know, oh sure Ayla is here, come on up... or nope, Ayla is with my Mom, sorry can't come up) Who knows? I don't. You don't and neither do anyone else who's making it up as they go along.

      Just because there is a will, there is not always a way. It would be nice if there always was, but that's just not the case.

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    20. And just a question, that I know you can't answer, but how many times did Justin offer to bring Ayla to visit her mother in the 8 weeks he had her there? I hear he was a frequent traveler to Portland. Surely, bringing Ayla for a visit with her mother would have been a nice treat for his daughter.

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    21. Trista was in rehab for 8 or 9 days. She was released on Oct. 22.
      She did visit Ayla on the 3rd of Nov. Justin did pick Trista up to go along on Dr. visits on Nov. 14 & Nov. 21, that were in Portland.


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    22. SMH...Let me start by stating that I think you make a good arguement and make very good points.

      It is, however, clear to me that you made your mind up on this case: Justin did it.

      But PLEASE don't imply that there is no vehicle in the Reynold's family or that Trista only knows friends without cars. Jeff is a driver by occupation. He has a motorcycle. I have no proof, but I'm sure Jeff has a car. As does Ron. As does Becca. As does Ronnie. Am I really making outrageous assumptions? How did the Reynolds' family arrive to the WPD from Portland? By taxi?

      And yeah...you bet I would walk 70 miles to see my daughter. I might risk sticking my thumb out, but a risk I wouldn't hestitate to take.

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    23. Beyond Confused, You are wrong, I have not made up my mind that anyone did anything.

      I wasn't trying to say that there is no vehicle in the Reynold's family, although I have no idea if there is or there isn't. I was throwing out some possibilities only.

      I would walk 100 miles to see my child, but I realize, not everyone is like me, so I give them some slack. I have resources at my disposal that they may not have. And my child never would have been in Ayla's position in the first place.

      I'm just trying to imagine walking in Trista's shoes, because Trista was the one being commented on at this time. Had it been Justin that was being discussed, I might have as easily portrayed reasons why he might not be judged. But it was Trista and her motivations that were being discussed.

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    24. I got it, SMH. Honestly, I have no issue with you. You come across as intelligent and genuine in your concern for Ayla.

      And you make a good point...Justin was a frequent visitor to Portland. Why didn't he consider bringing Ayla for a visit with Trista?

      My issue? Trista never brought it up. Did Trista ever request that Justin bring Ayla for a visit? I'm sure the MS would have reported on the matter.

      Read Trista's own words, SMH. Trista didn't bother to get Ayla because she thought it was all hunky-dorry at Violette Ave.

      Trista managed to hitch a ride to Machiasport with Robert Fortier to visit Ray. She certainly could have secured a ride to Waterville to see her daughter.

      The "lack of funds" issue you bring up also bristles me. Trista makes babies. If I can't afford a round-trip bus ticket from Portland to Waterville, I can't afford a third child.

      I'm simple like that.



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  15. I am 9:17 and that will be my new handle.

    I know you have no interest in updating it because you said "we" (meaning Trista, too?) "don't care anymore." I asked why you don't care. I did not leave comments ("comments like yours"). I asked you two fair questions. I'm not looking to "believe," I want to know. If everything that was going to be on the timeline has come out within the blogs and the press anyway, why did you say it would be more extensive if you had worked on it more?

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    1. Sorry, this was in response to Jeff. New to this.

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  16. Since someone brought it up, I do not understand the logic that some time before sunrise = some time between 4 & 6.
    Baffles me.

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  17. Sunrise came a little after seven on Dec. 17th, 2011 in Waterville, according to a resident who posted on Websleuths on that date. I think sunrise in Maine for that date could be checked with different weather sites for Maine.

    But how would anyone in the DiPietro house know for certain the hours that Ayla disappeared unless someone looked in on her at some time before sunrise to see that she was in her bed, safe and sound?

    I thought they put her to bed at 8:00 p.m. on the 16th and checked on her at 10:00p.m. and didn't discover her missing until 9:00 a.m., or so, on the 17th.

    I guess someone checked on her in the middle of the night to get an idea that she disappeared before sunrise. This is new!

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  18. between 4-6. phoebe was seen with a blond haired toddler on cool st at 5:30 am. that fits.

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    1. Different perceptions I guess.
      To me, before sunrise suggest any time after dark to before the sun came up.
      In this case, some time after 10 pm and before sunrise.

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    2. That post is another example of hearsay. No one has verified that Phoebe was seen anywhere with Ayla on the 16th. Just drop an inflammatory accusation and run. Got a link to support that? Nope, I don't think so.

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    3. To the anon who just tried to comment regarding no link, just statement from the person who saw her, it did not pass moderation. Feel free to reword and try again


      And apparently LE followed up on multiple reports or Ayla being seen that morning being transfered from car to car or being carried and nothing came of any of the reports.

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  19. Tori. I have no faith in LE. a witness is sure they saw phoebe that morning with a blond haired toddler. LE never tryed to identify these people. the witness was never showed photo's. the witness was within 6 feet of these people, and can identify all but one of the adults. i was told by LE that they would re-look at this lead. they never contacted the witness again. " i know what i saw that morning, and it was phoebe with the blond toddler". those words surface in my brain every time i think of ayla. maybe LE should visit the dips neighbors an ask if they ever saw phoebe wearing furry winter boots.

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    1. Phoebe's alibi was verified that night, Phoebe was in Augusta with a male friend. Police checked her alibi early on and were comfortable with the veracity of her claim. I don't know if she took a lie detector test or if her friend did, but I do know LE is confident Phoebe was not in Waterville that night.

      If LE is wrong about this then it stands to reason they could be wrong about other things

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    2. Just because someone says it doesn't make it true. I'm hoping LE would do their job and we have to have faith that they are.

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  20. it takes 20 minutes to get to the dips home from augusta via I-95. was the man she supposedly with have brown hair, approx 6 ft tall, sporting a neatly trimmed beard and wear a gray leather coat? phoebe worked at k-mart during the 90's. several people remember her wearing furry boots during the winter months. who was the blond toddler wrapped in a coat, no hat, seen on cool st that morning? the witness did not imagine this. did LE identify the 4 adults and blond child? if not, maybe they should refocus on this.phoebe may have been in augusta that night with a male friend, but she was seen on cool st at 5:30 am. 20 minutes back to augusta.

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  21. TLLOM is saying on new missing flyers that Ayla was abducted from the Violette house in Waterville sometime between 4-6 a.m. or "before sunrise". I guess, 4-6 is their definition of when Ayla went missing.

    Are Heidi and Angela saying that some one in the house checked on Ayla to see that she was safe in bed before 4:00 a.m., now? Who checked on Ayla in the middle of the night?

    Last check we heard about was 10:00 p.m. and then nobody checked on her or missed her until 9:00 a.m.

    Just asking what this info on the new flyers mean. It's rather precise and Angela is not known for being so precise and detailed unless she is canonizing Miz Courtney.

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    1. I saw the poster and saw before sunrise but I think she meant from midnight until sunrise, which the sun sets later in the winter.

      Many may disagree with the poster but it falls in line with what many believe happened to Ayla, that she was abducted and not murdered. I may not agree but I shared the poster and don't see the harm. This case has been highly publicized for a year, people have formed their opinions, the poster likely is not going to give people e wrong impression as if they have been following the case they think one of two things.

      What needs to be focused on is that they are doing something to raise awareness for Ayla and keep her name and image out there and that is not a bad thing. There are plenty of other posters out there that are to the contrary of what TTLOM believe but they haven't picked apart those fliers or the people who have made them.

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    2. Well, I know that at least with my comments and questioning about the flyer, it was only because it contains information which isn't verified. I wasn't trying to pick it apart, just respectfully voice my thoughts and concerns. I know it was made with the best of intentions by people who want to find Ayla and bring her home. I'm not refusing to share it because I have a problem with TLLOM or them putting out a flyer, I just didn't share it because the information that's stated is unverified. And that's just me. I wouldn't think badly of anyone for sharing it, I just don't feel right about it. The same thing would go for one that made any other unverified assertion. I usually stick to posting flyers that say "Missing", because it's a neutral term that goes along with what's publicly known. But in saying all that, I'm really not trying to insult TLLOM for their belief. If Ayla was kidnapped, then that means there's a much better chance of her being out there alive, and that she can be brought home to resume a life with her loved ones. I think we all want that more than anything. So I'm glad they are getting flyers out there to spread awareness. :-)

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    3. MW, I agree with you. The claim of "kidnapped" has not been verified. In fact, the authorities have clearly stated their belief that an abduction did not occur based on their investigation. They may be wrong, but to state flat out that Ayla was kidnapped, is hopeful, but not exactly truthful. It would be better to say she is missing, because she is in fact missing. And that covers the possibility of a kidnapping or something happening to her in the Dipietro home and a coverup taking place. Either situation is a possibility, with the latter being more likely based on statements from the investigative authorities.

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    4. Actually, it was me, Scout, who brought the "before sunrise" statement on the flyer to the attention of U4A on the (current at the time) post that was dissecting the timeline leading to Ayla's disappearance. It seemed like an appropriate subject to bring up on a timeline post when the flyer said "before sunrise" (a statement I don't think we've seen before in awareness campaigns.)

      I would point out that in my comment, I specifically said that when I think "before sunrise" on the 17th *I personally* think early AM, like 4-6 if sunrise is around 7. I also pointed out that I understood others might interpret it differently. I did not intend for my observation of the flyer to create a big controversy or evolve into somehow my interpretation being construed to be TLLOM's actual statement. They can and do speak for themselves.

      That being said, I don't think most people would consider 11pm on the 16th to be "before sunrise" on the 17th. I also don't think people would consider 8AM on the 17th to be "before sunrise" on the 17th. Heck, I don't even think people would consider 2AM on the 17th to be "before sunrise". There are a lot better ways to describe the timing of Ayla's disappearance so I brought up the question of this statement that seemed to rather narrow it down compared to what we were previously led to believe.

      Context. It got out of.

      ~Yoda Scout

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    5. I don't understand the ado over a flyer that uses the word kidnapped instead of missing.
      What does it really matter? It is an awareness item that keeps Ayla's name and picture in public view, and hopefully on people's minds.
      Whether a flyer says missing or kidnapped will not affect the investigation into what happened to Ayla, nor it's outcome.
      I think it's just nitpicking.

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  22. So they "meant" from midnight to sunrise. Then who checked on Ayla after 10:00 and before midnight, Tori?

    Angela never knows what she means. Recall her mixed up tale about just who discovered Ayla missing and the broken baby gate and going up and down the stairs to tell Justin?

    I'll bet the schedule for doing anything with Ayla kept changing about that night and morning. No wonder LE keeps saying that the four connected to that night have not been telling "all they know". A kindly way of saying the whole bunch is lying, and they've never backed down from similar statements.

    Why would the folks at Violette lie about a missing child?

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    1. I seem to remember the whole baby gate discussion being pure speculation centered around someone claiming that there was a broken baby gate in the home. Where that originated... Who freaking knows? "Before sunrise" may not be the best terminology to use, but it basically means sometime in the night. That seems so obvious, and certainly not worthy of the nitpicking it's received.

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  23. Please can anyone shed more light on the alleged news that Ayla's disappearance was known in the early hours of 17th Dec at the meth clinic/homeless shelter (I forget which it was, sorry!) hours before Ayla was reported missing by Justin?

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    1. Where is it alleged and who said it ?

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    2. I've heard this before too, but can't remember where it came from. A comment in the MS maybe?

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    3. No, this has been discussed on the old J4A and possibly on JSTL/U4A? I don't recall if it was verified or just a rumour.

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    4. VBC, you are incorrect. It WAS on the MS. Someone left it in the comments. Tragically the MS has removed all of the old comments when they went to a new system (facebook.)

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    5. I remember reading it too, but it was such a long time ago.

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    6. This topic was discussed in several places.
      A woman who provided transportation to the methadone clinic commented on MS that some she came into contact with were talking about Ayla's disappearance, allegedly, before it was reported.
      Ben McCanna, a reporter for MS, replied to her that LE had checked this out and it did not lead anywhere.

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  24. Michelle, the baby gate story originated from Angela's first telling of the "panic" surrounding Ayla's disappearance. Justin was so panic sriclen, according to Angela, that he broke the baby gate trying to get up the stairs from the basement to look for Ayla!

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  25. Scout, tell me how that Waterville crew would know what time Ayla disappeared? They were all sound asleep. They never heard a thing! Not even the loud crash at 3:00 which awakened the neighbors and their dog.

    Of course, we've never heard when it was that any of the adults or toddlers went to bed that fateful night...except Ayla...and two or three times surfaced for Ayla's bedtime. No one, at first, really could recall whether Ayla was down at 8:00 or 10:00. I wonder if LE thought this was strange. Did LE think the vagueness of information from the people there odd?

    None of the Violette people seem to know very much about that night. Other than it was "normal". Whew! Your niece, grandchild, daughter goes missing and the night was "normal". And the adult activities? Phoebe said it all when she said "I can't comment on that." I'll bet not!

    None of them have ever said what the achedule for that night's activities and bedtimes were for the other two toddlers. I'm curious if they had trouble getting three, count 'em three, toddlers to go to bed.

    And waking up! Weren't they all lucky that the other two toddlers both slept in until Courtney or Elisha or whomever discovered Ayla missing? Otherwise the cherubs might have been up and around earlier than nine that morning discovering Ayla gone. You know how toddlers are attracted to one another and invariably wake each other up. And Gabby might have wandered into her own room which she shared with Ayla to get a toy or a blanket.

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