Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Will There Ever Be Justice For Juliette Or For Ayla?


Juliette Geurts

I was reading the comments and saw "Chicago" mention Juliette Geurts and explained a little about her case, which in my opinion mirrored some of the same feelings I have on the direction Ayla's case has taken. I did a Google search and have spent most of the afternoon reading up on this precious little angel and my heart hurts. 



Play the video for Juliette's Story



I have worried many times that Ayla will never get justice, that the three people in the house that night will never talk and that if Ayla is not found, LE will not move forward with any arrests in this case. Juliette's case brought those fears to the forefront again because there was a body in her case and almost four years later, the three that were in the home the night Juliette was beaten to death still have not been brought to justice. They are off living their lives as though nothing has ever happened. I worry that the press conferences from Stephen McCausland are filled with remarks made because they just have no answers. I worry that this investigation has stalled. I worry that the reason they have not released any more information on the case is because they have none. I worry that Ayla will not get the justice she deserves. 

Juliette's paternal family are fighting daily for justice. Juliette's twin sister doesn't get to share that special bond that only twins can. They have not given up hope and are truly doing everything they can so Juliette's sister, Jaelyn, will  be able to look back and know they tried. Trista and the rest of Ayla's maternal family have been doing everything in their power to get justice for Ayla and Ayla's little brother, Baby Ray, will also be able to look back and see all his mommy and maternal family did to bring his sister home. 

It has been speculated over and over in Ayla's case how unlikely it is that the three people in the home that night would all keep this secret for this long. In Juliette's case, the three people that are keeping secrets are not even related to each other! Juliette's mother, Charyse Geurts, her boyfriend at the time but not any longer, Dustin Chauncey, and Dustin's friend (and rumored ex boyfriend of Charyse), Brandon Townsend, have all went their own separate ways years ago so if it was so hard to keep a secret, why haven't any of these three made a deal with the D.A.?




Justin and Elisha DiPietro are tied together for the rest of their lives since they are brother and sister, it seems likely that neither of them are going to turn on the other and Courtney apparently is either too stupid to talk because she is in love with Justin or really doesn't know what happened to Ayla. Five months have passed and still no arrests have been made, LE has not publicly announced any suspect or suspects. We all sit and wonder why? Many have speculated that LE wants a solid case since the Casey Anthony debacle and are looking for Ayla's body but after reading about Juliette's case, I don't think that will be enough. Juliette's body was recovered and LE still were not able to put together a strong enough case for an arrest, EVEN WITH PROOF OF ABUSE AND NEGLECT, because they could not tell which one of the three in the home that night killed Juliette.


Doug Warner handed the case to an investigator to do more research and it has now been completed. Mr. Warner said:
“The issue has been identifying the killer,” Warner said. “There were three individuals in the home. When the case came to us, there was not sufficient evidence to identify the killer. That is what the focus has been since we took over the case.” “I have to make a decision on whether or not there is a provable case,” he said. “The worst thing that I can do is file a case that I can’t prove. You can’t file charges, try a case, and then go back and do it all over again (if you don’t win). … You shouldn’t file charges unless you are ready to go to trial, and that is the way it has to be.”


Read more HERE


There was evidence of abuse in the case of Juliette Geurts that was never followed up on by C.P.S.. Juliette, just like Ayla, suffered unexplained injuries at the hands of those she was living with. Juliette was taken to the emergency room only a few weeks before she went missing needing stitches on her head. Ayla was taken to the emergency room only a few weeks before she went missing with a broken arm. It makes you wonder if the Dept. of Health and Human Services were doing their jobs maybe these two children would still be here with us today. It also makes you wonder why LE has not went ahead and filed abuse or neglect charges in either case in an attempt to get someone to talk and pinpoint the person responsible in Ayla's disappearance and in Juliette's murder.



Another disturbing similarity in the two cases is Charyse's refusal to talk. If Charyse was truly innocent why not plead with the other two in the home that night to come forward and tell the truth? Why not join the fight for justice for her daughter? Why not cooperate fully with LE? Why aren't those who were present the night Ayla disappeared cooperating with LE? Why are they not doing everything in their power to get Ayla home?

Ayla Bell
Not surprisingly all three in the house the night Juliette died failed their polygraph tests. It is safe to assume that the two people in the home the night Ayla Reynolds disappeared that agreed to take polygraph tests did not pass theirs either since neither of them can bring themselves to come out and say that they passed them. Why didn't Courtney Roberts feel the need to take a polygraph test? If Justin REALLY doesn't know what happened to Ayla, why wouldn't he DEMAND his girlfriend take a polygraph test to clear her name? If Justin REALLY doesn't know what happened to Ayla, how can he know for a 100% fact that Courtney didn't do something to her when he was sleeping? Wouldn't a refusal to take the test make him suspicious of her? I know I would not want to be in a relationship with someone who would not take a test for me if my child were missing and they were one of the only people in the house that night.

Juliette's family is upset that LE in their case did not follow proper protocol by securing warrants correctly the first time for the house and not sealing the house up immediately. They also have accused LE of failing to interrogate those involved immediately and instead waited, giving those involved time to perfect the story they were going to tell LE. I am not suggesting that is the case here. I think the Waterville PD did secure the house as they should have, they also interviewed both families right away and called in other agencies to assist them immediately.



There are a lot of differences in Juliette's case compared to Ayla's case but the most disturbing similarity is the fact that three people in the home in both cases have not talked and because of that LE cannot prove who committed the actual crime so in turn all three in each case are getting away with it. I can only hope that the reason Juliette's case has not been officially closed is because LE did botch the investigation and that is not the case in Ayla's disappearance and that LE will close this one and Ayla will be brought home and those responsible brought to justice.



Oddly enough, another similarity in the two cases is that the parties involved in Ayla's case and in Juliette's case have a penchant for beating people with baseball bats.

Less than a month before Juliette's murder mommy & her boyfriend were involved in an assault on a
man with a baseball bat where her boyfriend eventually went to prison for this crime and the man he
beat with the baseball bat eventually murdered another man. These were the types of individuals that
mommy had her two year old twin's exposed to. If the police had arrested them when the assault
occurred then maybe DFS would have gotten involved to protect my nieces before Juliette could have been beaten to death less than a month later. So many issues with this whole case. 







Off Topic-
I went in for my appt Monday and the test results came back good. The cancer has NOT spread and is confined to my cervix for the time being. I will be going in for surgery on the 30th and will only be in the hospital for a day or two and then will be able to come home to recuperate. I appreciate all the well wishes and the prayers, Thank you all for expressing concern for me. It was truly heartwarming. I am blessed to have such wonderful, faithful readers here who all want Justice for Ayla. 









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170 comments:

  1. this is really sad. Its just like casey anthony because they found Caylees body and couldnt pin point her murderer. Its so sad that people could hurt little innocent babies and even more sad that those scumbags get off free :(

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    1. they may get off for free in this world...however, they will have to face judgement once they leave this world.

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  2. Great news on your health and I wish you the best on the 30th !
    yes, having the 3 people in the house is a complication that may be hard to solve but the two women with children will be separated from their children when arrested and I would hope that this will be insentive enough to talk. Their disrespect to Ayla tho makes me wonder about this.

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    1. I believe that all three should be charged with murder, accessory to murder and accessory after the fact. Send them all to trial and present the evidence. Left the jury sort it out. I can not see a jury acquit on all charges for all involved. And when the kids are taken,one of the mothers will talk to get thier child back! JMO

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    2. And when the kids are taken,one of the mothers will talk to get thier child back!

      This is exactly what I was saying John.
      Lets see which one truly cares for their OWN child.

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    3. I think something needs to give here, maybe it should be MANDATORY for the other children to be removed from the home when a child is missing under suspicious circumstances while the investigation is going on or the parents can be ruled out as suspects.

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    4. ITA, J4A!
      The rest of the country should follow the lead of states like Tx, where CPS stepped-up proactively to remove the brothers of Isa Celis from their father's care!
      They are also only allowing Becky Celis to maintain custody of the boys, WITH the oversight of an extended family member who LE does NOT believe to be a suspect in the "disappearance" of their daughter.

      THAT'S how to avoid another tragedy, like what befell Charlie and Brayden Powell, IMHO!

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  3. Glad to hear you're ok Tori! I do believe there will be Justice for Ayla! I think LE is keeping things tight cause Mainers will take the law in their hands and give Ayla justice one way or the other....IMO

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    1. Thank you, it was a huge relief. I certainly hope that LE is just keeping things close to the vest and not that they have run out of steam in the investigation

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  4. I'm glad you found my reference to Juliett's case relevant. It's opening my eyes to just how possible it is for people to keep quiet about a crime, even when they are not relatives or even very close to the perp. The more I google for information on Ayla, the more I run across other cases that I end up reading about. Abuse, death of children, missing children that were never found, etc. seems to be on the increase. Perps don't even try to make the 'abductions' seem believable. Child goes to bed on a 'normal' night and is gone in the morning. How many cases like that?

    Somehow something has to change that allows LE a little more latitude in questioning potential suspects. Some things about our liberal society are good, but many are bad. The rights of perps are becoming more important than the rights of the abused or killed children.

    One way to get someone to talk is to find a way to arrest them on a lesser charge and then offer them a plea deal to talk about the more serious crime. In the Juliette case, I think the mother should have been charged with something because the child was her responsibility and in her care. Ayla's case was slightly different in my opinion. True Ayla had some injuries, but they could have been accidental. It was clear that Juliette's were not.

    Tori, good news about your health.

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    1. Chicago, did the mother get to keep Juliette's twin? Do you know how long she allowed each man to stay around her other daughter?

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    2. Chicago, I think the ball pit lies and facial bruising are pretty convincing of abuse. The big difference maker in this case, I HOPE< is that LE has conducted a thourough and legally correct investigation. I don't think they have botched anything that will get tossed from evidence.

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    3. I'm not sure if my information is up to date, but Juliett's twin was placed with the paternal grandparents. Later, the mother had a brief sexual encounter with Juliette's bio-dad and got pregnant again. Afaik, that little girl is living with the mother in Texas. Both x-bf's are in Colorado, and I don't know if they are in the same area or not.

      John, I don't remember the facial bruising of Ayla, only the arm and the pulled leg muscle. I still think it is possible that is accidental due to incompetency in child care. I'm not buying into the Justin is an abuser theory. Does that make me a Dip supporter?

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    4. No Chicago it makes you a thinker. I like having conversations with thinkers. The reason I mentioned the facial bruises is because the leg and arm could have been accidents, if the lies about them afterwards were not included. I then know that Tristas Timeline states a facial bruising that Ayla had after being with Justin. Justins explanation was a fight with other kids in the ball pit at Chuck E Cheese. The restaurant does not have a ball pit. When I put them all together with the lies I lean towards Justin as an abuser. JMO

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    5. Chicago, that blows my mind! I don't understand why the twins' bio-dad would have sex with the mother when she wasn't forthcoming about what happened to Juliette - and it produced a baby which she was allowed to keep. I have heard of a few cases where a separated couple lost their child in an accident and have sex again to make another baby together, but if one of the parents was neglectful in the accident that parent doesn't get custody. What a bizarre case!

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    6. John, the pulled leg muscle is supect to me as it was said that Ayla and justin were rough housing. Doing that to the extent that it harms her shows an irresponsible roughness that should not have happened.
      What did he do, throw, her up in the air, allmost miss catching her but saved the fall (that time) by catching her by her leg?
      I remember someone saying that he was seen tossing her into the air when he was drinking. I do not know if this is a fact or not.

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    7. Chicago,
      Thank you for bringing Juliette's case to my attention, sadly with all of the work her family has done to get her name out, it had escaped my attention until now. I was also sad to see that only about 3000 people had signed her petition and she needs 10,000 signatures.

      I think that as long as they hide the body well enough, it doesn't matter if there is evidence left at the home, etc. As long as there is no body found and no one confesses to the crime, no one will be charged for fear that LE will lose their one shot at prosecuting without solid evidence post Casey Anthony. It was almost like she paved the way for parents who wanted to rid themselves of their burdensome children and not get caught for it.

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    8. Oh, I forgot to add, that Justin may not have abused Ayla or he may have, I tend to think that there have been a lot of excuses and lies regarding her injuries but he could be lying to cover up his imcompetency as a parent. One thing I do know is that in almost all of these missing children's cases, abuse is a factor in about 75% of them. Maybe some of these parents would never think to lay a hand on their child but then get some drugs and alcohol in them and it is a whole different ballgame and another factor in almost ALL of the cases is drugs and alcohol played a factor.

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    9. what's important?May 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

      I agree J4A. Justin is likely clumsy and awkward with a baby, and probably moreso if under the influence of something. I have to believe that if his own conscience wouldn't advise him against abusive behavior, then one of the women around him would have said "enough is enough, you can't handle her, give her back to her mother." If not for Ayla's sake alone, but also in his and their best interests? Also, if the other women know about abuse or injury to Ayla, why would they still allow their children around him? Would Courtney think "well, he harmed Ayla, but he'd never harm MY child?" I'm thinking in terms of basic human nature, maybe that doesn't apply in this case.

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      Glad to see you got good news from your doctor.

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  5. I saw on the news yesterday where the father of Isabel Celis has been barred from having contact with his other two kids, even though, if I'm not mistaken, he hasn't been officially named as suspect in her disappearance.

    Here's a quote from an article I saw on CBS.com - 'Tucson police reportedly said CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare of the Celis children," but did not elaborate. CPS says the move is common practice when investigating cases of missing children, KPHO reports.'

    Seeing that Sergio Celis hasn't been labeled a suspect yet but has still been barred from being around the other children - I had to wonder why the same couldn't have been done in Ayla's case as far as Justin, Elisha and Courtney being allowed around the other children.

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    1. My thoughts exactly! And to further expand, I think the state should put a temporary suspension on the Tudela daycare, as long as Justin is living in the house. There is ample cause. It is not a court of law that has to be convinced beond a reasonable doubt to get a judge to issue these orders. JMO

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    2. I agree, I wonder if all the parents are informed that justin is living there full time?

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    3. Yes I saw that on HLN news too,and there isnt any blood in this Dads house.And LE isnt even saying that he is lying,it is just a precaution until they clear him.It should be a common practice for the childrens safety.Why not ion Justins case?

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  6. Yay!! What a relief. After the surgery you will be cancer free!!

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    1. Thanks Libby, I am certainly relieved and apprehensive about surgery but will be happy when it is all behind me and I can move forward. :)

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  7. That's GREAT news J4A! I'm so happy for you. I'm sure it was and even still is nerve wracking and upsetting, but hopefully after your surgery, you won't have to worry about this again! Keep you follow up appointments! :)

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    The fact that apparently so many people seem to know what happened to Ayla has always seemed kind of surprising. How can so many people possibly know what happened to an innocent child, and not care? How can they keep it a secret? I guess Juliette's case proves that it can and does happen, sadly. I can see how difficult it is for LE to figure out which person is the MOST guilty and which ones are accessories.

    Something legal needs to be done to prevent these crimes against children, and ensure justice is served. What, I don't know... Truly innocent patents of missing children shouldn't be punished due to "monster parents".

    I thought courtney did take a polygraph?? LE stated that all in the home that night took them, and they know the results. Regardless, I don't understand the big secret, unless they all failed them anyway. Anyone who took and passed a poly would be more than willing to clearly admit so.

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    1. Kit, I could swear Selena said Courtney did not trust the polygraph so did not take one. Is it possible that this is true and LE does not believe that Courtney was there the night Ayla was harmed? Just another way of interpreting the statement. To be honest I am confused with the two statements as well.

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    2. Hedi said Courtney didnt want to take on but they said if she didnt,LE would say that they were not cooperating,I believe she took one after that. LE has said that Courtney was there that night,sleeping in the basement with Justin and her child,and that 3 people are not telling the truth.Im not sure Courtney took the poly after that,But Hedi made it sound like she may have.

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    3. It would be interesting and very telling if she still did not take the poly.
      I don't believe anything that comes out of heidis mouth. It appears she just says whatever she thinks makes the situation look in (HER ) favor and sometimes that back fires.

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    4. I myself did not see where LE said all 3 took a poly, the ones in the house that night. Do you know where this statement is?
      Did they say 3 people took it or the 3 people in the house? Just asking because I wonder if the 3rd was phoebe.
      I think justin, elisha, courtney, phoebe, lance, Justin Linnell, Trista, Tristas Mom, Ray, Jessica..um, who else, should have all taken a poly and those who refuse may be considered, possibly, to be involved in Aylas case.
      I know Trista, and justin did, seems like one other person who did not because of some medical reason.

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    5. http://www.wcvb.com/Hope-Fades-For-Missing-Maine-Toddler/-/9849586/11256878/-/n8alvr/-/index.html

      "Abduction is no longer a part of this investigation. We have grave doubts that an abduction took place and there is no evidence to support it," Stephen McCausland, spokesman for Maine Department of Public Safety, told Newscenter 5.

      "We are focused on what happened to her in that house. There are three people in the house that have not been truthful. Their story does not pass the smell test," he said.

      Law enforcement sources told McPhee that those people are Justin DiPietro, his girlfriend, Courtney Roberts, 24, and his sister, Alisha DiPietro, 19.

      McCausland confirmed that the people in the house on the night Ayla was last seen took lie-detector tests, "and they know the results."

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    6. LE said, abduction is no longer a part of this investigation. Not that stranger abduction is no longer a part of it. Abduction, period. They are focused on what happened to her IN THAT house.

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    7. Thanks Kit, I promise to keep up on my wellness visits and not miss any. :)

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    8. Tori, I am so happy for you. I know there is still surgery, but a good test result is a gigantic cause
      for celebration. I am a survivor (2009 ) and had a big
      scare about five weeks ago. Passed the tests.
      WooHoo.

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    9. COngratulations! I am glad you passed. I was able to let out a big sigh of relief although I know the hard part is yet to come. :)

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  8. Tori, your news is absolutely fantastic. I know you are still taking big breaths before the surgery. Remember to think positive and the results will be positive!!!! :)))

    As far as the evidence not pin pointing a perpetrator, can't they all be charged in concert and charged with everything from murder 1 down to child neglect and then throw plain old stupidity on to boot. There are no 12 people that would not convict for some charges at least and with the blood evidence and the LIP I would bet that one of them would get convicted with the murder. Thier actions are all equally atrocious so let them all pay for it!!!

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    1. I wonder why they are not looking at charging all 3, maybe they are but I think the problem is if they just lump all the charges on to all three, it ruins the integrity (not sure if that is the word I am looking for) of the case and appears desperate on LE's part and maybe the jury will not view it favorably since they will know that LE doesn't know which one committed the actual murder and we don't know if anyone else abused or neglected Ayla or which one really did for that matter. If LE doesn't know which one of them hurt Ayla, the jury will wonder if any of them even did hurt her.

      We have to remember that the jury will not only be made up of reasonable people who possess sound minds but also of some of those zealots who are members of TTLOM.

      I hope this comment made sense.... :/

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    2. It makes perfect sense. I had not looked at it this way. I need to reevaluate.

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    3. Unless they charge all three with something different, like a murder charge for one person, obstructing an investigation for another, giving false statements for all of them, accessory to murder, accessory after the fact for one or two individuals, improper disposal of human remains, or if she was removed alive, and disposed of, and all three knew it was happening and told no one,or tried to stop it, then charges of premeditated murder may again apply, as it takes forethought and planning to conceal, transport, and dump a living, injured child and let them die...they do not have to charge them all with the same thing...mix n' match may be appropriate, as they at least have a crime scene, blood, and many false and true statements, among who knows what else evidence that tells the story... I am patient, and confident that LE will resolve this.

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    4. Emerald, ITA with your statement because that is what I thinking to a point. I was thinking that in a federal court, all three could be charged for acting in concert. The example I use is far different scenario but the principle applies. If a terrorist builds a bomb, another steals the elements of the bomb, another delivers the bomb, and another detonates the bomb. All 4 are guilty of murder and terrorism. I am wondering if the States AG could do the same?

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    6. I am also confident that one or more of the players in this tragedy will slip up at some point when their guard is down...after all, one can only remain hyper-vigilant and guarded of the truth for so long, it is an exhausting and constant task!

      Someone will slip up, or has already, but it is yet to be discovered, and when it comes to light, it will add to the cumulative stack, and eventually the scales will tip...

      Examples:
      Pheebs lying, then retracting the lie, on camera = LE 1, Dips 0...

      I am also betting she owned up to her lie because her family freaked as they knew it would be exposed very quickly...

      FBI abduction unit leaves after concluding there is no evidence of an abduction: LE 2 DiPs/CR 0...

      Blood found in the basement, and it is Ayla's :LE 3 DiPs/CR 0...

      Failed polygraphs, mission of information: LE 4 DiPs/CR 0

      LIP immediately purchased on a child staying on temporary custody agreement, who incidentally also had several injuries just prior to being reported abducted... LE 5, DiPs, CR and TUdelas 0...

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    7. should read Failed Polygraphs,Omission of information...this is referring to the comments by LE that the three adults in the home that night are not telling LE everything...

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  9. So glad to hear about your health! I wish you the best of luck with surgery and your recovery.

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  10. I think the players in this case are a cut above those in the Juliett case. By that I mean that the two guys I have pegged more like hoodlums, transients, or vagrants that don't really care what people think of them. The Dips, especially Phoebe, are more established. Phoebe can't just up and leave her job and house. She has to face the public every day, with most of the public thinking she knows what happened or is possibly even involved. It is one thing to keep your mouth shut and not tell, but it takes a special kind of person to be able to carry on with their life and know that people are looking at them, thinking and talking and suspecting.

    I care what people think of me. Don't you? Even if I am innocent, it is not enough for just me to know that. I want everyone to know. For that reason I would be out there singing like a bird with every detail I could find to support my innocence.

    Of course, even when a person is telling the truth, part of the public is going to judge their words, facial expressions, and each move they make.

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    1. If my Grandchild or child was missing i wuld not give a flying you know what, what the public thought of me. yes, I would be singing like a bird to give every detail that I knew but not to protect myself from public opinion but to find my loved one.
      I also would be showing extream concern for the safety and wellbeing and my sorrow for the child missing.
      Maybe phiebe is established in her job and home but I don't consider the rest of the family established.

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    3. I agree with Chicago but also with you Chicky. I would want the public to view me favorably because I would want them looking for my child and trusting what I said so they looked in the right direction but there are also those that you can't please no matter what so even if the public had a nasty perception of me, I would still be doing everything I could to bring my missing child home even at the expense of my own pride/ego.

      Justin clearly is not doing that. Had he not waited 2 weeks to do an interview and had been honest and upfront, the public MIGHT have been more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe we would have been open to believing the blood was an accident unrelated to Ayla's disappearance and that the LIP was innocently purchased to help a friend but his actions/nonactions is what makes the public believe he is lying, the public statement by LE stating they are lying doesn't help either.

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    4. Chicky, the difference between Justin and you and the rest of us, is that he is lying. You and I wouldn't care public opinion, because the public would be able to read the truth in our words, our actions and our efforts in seeking our missing children.

      Chicago, yes of course I care about what others think of me. As humans, we care. But as mothers, we would take the abuse of public perspective because the priority is finding our missing child and not what others think of us. Justin flat out lied and refuses to speak because he knows what the rest of us know... that he is a big fat liar. He doesn't care to speak for Ayla, because he had difficuly dealing with the public backlash. That is his first concern. Protecting his feelings is first. There is no protection mode for Ayla. Justin does not care to speak for Ayla, because he KNOWS it is futile in her recovery, so his priority is self protection from the public opinion. An innocent parent of a missing child does not refuse to speak. A parent of a missing child is ACTIVE and constantly planning, processing thoughts and ideas on how to find their child. If you don't have kids, then you can't speak on it effectively. If you have kids, you know there is NOTHING to stop you from speaking out for your child and keeping her name out there in hopes someone will lead you to your child. Justin does not fall into that category, his priority is his ego and he feels trapped because he knows the public knows the truth about Ayla.

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    5. I for one am looking for both a healthy Ayla and, God forbib,the alternative, regardless of what anyone is saying at this point.
      At one time AH had written that it was most likely that Ayla was out of the state, I wonder if those words would cause anyone to NOT look in Maine?

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    6. Also, justin has every single day to voice his concerns for Aylas well being if he believes she has been kidnapped but he has not done that other than to say that she probably thinks it's a game and has adjusted!! How does he know that the kidnapper was such anice person and not an evil hatefull person that harmed Ayla? I don't get it other than he's a big fat liar!!

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    7. He said he wanted Aylas picture on every street corner,Laury Recovery would have helped with that,He stopped working with them,He lied.He said he would invite anyone over to see what he is doing,He wont answer the Phone,He put up a NO Trespassing sign,How do we get in touch with him to do that?He LIED.He said he is not hiding,He LIED.He said He smoked the poly,He LIED,He said his Mom cut her foot,it was her blood,HE LIED.

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  11. Justin threw a Hail Mary and he is waiting to see if it's caught or dropped. He is in OT with no clock and the pressure of the unknown is intense. Will the knock on his door be today?

    In the meantime, we can only hope and pray for justice for Ayla and her mom.

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  12. I'm so glad to hear your news about the biopsy results, Tori!!
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    1. Thank You! I was pretty relieved. I worked myself up into a tizzy this past week. The doctor said she would only call if it was bad news and then called not once but twice with the message for me to call her back and when I tried to call her back, she was out of the office. It was a bad week lol

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  13. I think someone might have already said this, but I believe all three should be charged with murder.
    All three were in the house, all three lied about what happened, and all three failed their lie detectors.
    Why should they be allowed to live their lives freely, a child in THEIR care is gone, we are going on five months, and still no sign of Ayla.
    I don't think a jury would think twice of convicting all three on charges of murder.
    Trista and her family are living in an emotional prison, wondering every second of everyday where their precious llittle Ayla is.
    Why should all three walk around freely to do anything they want.
    I don't think Elisha and Courtney give a crap about their children.
    How could they when they won't speak up for Ayla.
    Their actions regarding Ayla tell us that.
    So threatening them via their children being taken away won't phase them at all.
    They simply don't care
    Tori, I am happy for your good news
    I will continue to keep you in my prayers

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    1. Yeah, Chipmunk, ITA!!
      The AG of Maine should indict ALL THREE on first degree murder charges, and try ALL THREE TOGETHER, then give the jury a range of verdicts they can find each individual guilty/innoent of---I've heard of this being done before, with success!

      That way, if first degree pre-meditated is not necessarily provable "beyond a shadow of a doubt", the jury can STILL convict on lesser charges.

      Maybe this is not "ideal", but it's far better than NO ONE being held accountable for what was done to this little munchkin, IMHO!!

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    2. Say this all works out and Ayla is alive and comes back to her family, what do you say to the three you think should be charged with murder? Just wondering?

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    3. I would shout and sing to the heavens that she is returned to her Mother ! I would still think ill for the fact that they seemingly did not show concern nor do everything they could to find her. Working with LRC center for one thing, being cooperative with LE for another. Providing a safe enviroment under the circumstances according to them of a lurking car and worries of her being taken may have avoided Ayla from a tramatic happening.
      This of course is IF she was kidnapped and healthy.

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    4. I agree I would do every interview,nothing would stop me if I thought LE was looking at the wrong family,especially after this long. How long does he think he can hide?

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    5. I agree Chipmunk, all three should be charged, and a great start would be to at least name them as suspects and to officially rule out the Reynolds as suspects. Perhaps that would get the ball rolling on getting their children removed from their homes by DHS, which in turn would get one of them to start talking.

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    6. I believe that LE has already cleared the reynolds when they stated that there was no abduction. I know what McCausland said about no-one and nothing being ruled out, but if there was no abduction Trista and Family are obviously cleared. Only the people in the house could have commited foul play!

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    7. @Anon:

      I'd be overjoyed to be proved wrong, and for Ayla to miraculously be returned to her mother unharmed, having been abducted by..??[whomever]

      If it was clear that the W-4 had NOTHING to do with Ayla having gone missing, whatsoever, I'd *gladly* apologize to them!

      Unfortunately, I don't think this will ever happen...

      What about YOU, Anon???
      What are YOU going to say to Trista, Jessica, Jeff Hanson, Justin Linnell and all the others who have been the subject of ridiculous accusations of having perpetrated some implausible "custody related kidnapping", when YOU are proven wrong and the DiPs are indicted for child-murder???
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    8. I have not said anything negative about any of them. I pray she is returned alive if not my heart goes out to them. If the dips have done anything to her I hope they are prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If the mother has her hid away I pray her reasons would be looked at very hard and professionally. Then the courts decide what to do about it. This is a very frustrating event and Ayla did not ask for any of it.

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    9. Anon 1:32, No disrespect intended, I see you are concerned with finding Ayla and hopefully seeing Justice. My issue with your statement however is that Trista had a legal right to go get Ayla before the 17th of December. She chose to use legal means and Ayla disappeared 2 days later. If Trista had a legal right to get Ayla, why break in in the night and then hide her for this long now to never be able to see her again. She could simply go get Ayla and let JD fight in the courts. I guess my question is what motive is there to believe Trista may have done what she is accused of and what could the courts have done since she had had a legal right to Ayla?

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    10. I don't really think she did I was just saying if she did. I think a lot of things have been said against both sides. I just think it is wrong to call a person a murderer until it is proven in a court of law. It also is wrong to call someone a kidnaper until you can prove it in a court of law. We all have our thoughts about this case but they are just that thoughts not necessarily fact. If they could be proved at this point someone would be in jail.

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  14. I do not want to even entertain the thought that Ayla will not have justice. Someone knows exactly where Ayla is and what happened to her. That someone and anyone around that that also knows, should be punished. I'll keep my faith that the LE will take care of that!

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  15. >"We are focused on what happened to her in that house. There are three people in the house that have not been truthful. Their story does not pass the smell test," he said.

    I am positive that I also read somewhere that Courtney DID NOT take a poly, because she believed them to be a hoax. I know I also read that LE told the wtvl 4 that they would tell the public that they were NO LONGER cooperating, if she did not. As stated above, this may have just been one of Selena or Hiedi's hinky twists, but if you take LE's statement I copied above, in context, they are LYING no matter what! Either: 1) they have all taken polys and found to be "not truthful" (lying) or
    2)some refused a poly, which, in LEs eyes are NOT COOPERATING/ NOT BEING TRUTHFUL/ or essentially HIDING SOMETHING. No matter how you look at it, they have either lied on polys, or lied through deception!

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    1. LLLadybug, that quote you posted came from the same article which also says that all 3 in the home took poly's, and they know the results. I personally think that all 3 not only lied on their poly's OR through deception, I think they lied both, on their poly's AND through deception (to LE and the public).

      The claim that if courtney didn't take a poly, that LE would tell the public that she/they are not cooperating, I don't really believe. I can't see LE saying to someone, "if you don't do ______, we're going to tell (the public)!". It seems a little far fetched. I don't think LE is running their investigation through and by the public/media. I think this was put out there by HT or AH or Selena for some other reason.

      Maybe LE wanted to know, in general, why those 3 were not cooperating. Maybe courtney turned that around, telling her friends/HT, that she didn't want to take a poly, therefore LE was claiming she wasn't cooperating. Parallel lying maybe?

      I *think* courtney and Elisha may have not even told anyone that they took poly's. Justin was the only one who admitted to taking one and "smoking" it. Elisha's own lawyer didn't know if she took one (according to him). Supposedly courtney didn't trust poly's... BUT, LE said they "know the results"...

      I think there is a LOT of secrets and lying going on.

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    2. Did Phoebe tell us whether she took a poly or not?

      I don't think anyone should be content with the veracity of the W3...it's the W4 with whom I am concerned. We know without a doubt that Phoebe lies. We don't know when the "kidnapping" took place. Phoebe could as well have been there when what happened to Ayla occurred as well as/ or instead of Courtney.

      I think PD was caught in a direct lie by LE about the night of the 16th...and then had to "correct" her initial statements to the press because LE may have said, "Nope, we KNOW where you were on the night of the 16th."

      LE is limiting suspicion to just the "three individuals" in the house at "that time" (whatever that day and time is) because, as McCausland told Nancy Grace, "For the time being we're going with that day", but I think Phoebe knows all and may be heavily involved in harming Ayla or at least in helping to get rid of evidence to protect either Elisha or Justin.

      IF Phoebe is involved up to her eyeballs, LE may not want the fact that she is also suspected to be known to anyone as yet, especially the W3.

      Anyway, I think she is central to what happened to Ayla in that house. I'd like to believe Ayla met her fate as an accident, but the off-the-wall actions of the W4 preclude me from investing in that theory.
      __Pennyante

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    3. Anon, If I can take it even one step further to say I think it should be the W5 when looking at the LE statement for that night. Derek was claiming to be there for the play date. If he is lying, I believe he is with his change of stories, it is concievable the night in question could be the day Derek went to Voilette Ave to help out "peachy"! I don't think Lance was there the day Ayla was harmed, but he definately knows what happened, even if told a story afterwards. He could still speak for Ayla with what he was told and this would give LE additional timeline information. Just hoping I guess since Lance doesn't seem to want to speak out for Ayla as of yet.

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    4. John P., I agree that Derek and Lance are knowledgeable of what happened to Ayla. I just place both lower down on the ladder of actually causing harm to Ayla.

      I certainly think Derek could have helped "Peachy" and the others dispose of evidence after the fact. Lance seems to be some what of a late-comer to what happened, but probably has been "convinced" that it was an accident and he needs to get in line with the rest.

      I tend to think Heidi and Angela are in the same boat as Lance...why should anyone have to serve time for an "accident"?

      Also, the two controlling gals know Ayla is no longer with us, but they don't want Derek to have to pay for being an accesory after the fact of an "accident". And possibly the LIP is a big factor in their intense involvement in defending Peachy. Where Peachy goes, Derek may follow.

      Let's not even go into the meaning of "accident'. It is probably very elastic. We do know that it wouldn't have been an accident that could have been addressed by an ER trip, nor could it have been reported as such to LE from the condition of the body, the family, or the house.

      In other words they couldn't take the chance of reporting anything but an "abduction". No one in authority would have seen the event as an "accident"...whether spontaneous or planned.
      __Pennyante

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    5. Excellent reasoning Pennyante!My reason for the comment was intended more for who MSP could mean by the three in the house have taken polys.

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  16. The Time Is RightMay 15, 2012 at 7:44 PM

    JUSTICE FOR AYLA !

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  17. http://aylastillmissingnotkidnapped.blogspot.com/2012/05/any-individual-with-information.html

    Where is Ayla Justin?

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  18. I think there is more to Ayla's case than meets the eye.
    500,000$ is a lot of money to spend on an investigation.
    I don't think Maine authorities are going to let perfection stop quality.
    They have a good case against Justin and various unanswerable questions to pose to him at trial that shall keep him off the stand. He abducted Ayla from Trista, killed Ayla and disposed of Ayla's remains. It is very simple. They'll charge him because they have to even if he goes free by a jury returning a not guilty verdict. To not charge is to say murder is approved.

    Part of getting justice is to be ready to commit to the long haul and go all in and accept every moment the possibility of failure. It won't matter if the Maine authorities fail to convict, it shall be a big deal if they don't even attempt to convict based on unreachable perfections.

    The People of Maine and Ayla have a right to their day in court.
    To deny that based on phoney presumptions of ridiculous details can't happen without disregarding all rules of the social order we share.

    If five years past without a prosecution and Justin turns up dead it shall be the equivalent of the Maine authorities approving mob rule.

    Justice is a process not an event.
    For most people desiring justice this is the first time they have ever tried to use the in place system of justice to capture try convict and incarcerate another person for the duration of their natural life.

    If you want to catch a killer you must think like a killer.
    The rest is soap opera television tabloid emotionalism hooey.
    A couple of weeks ago there was no evidence and evidence has surfaced.
    A process not an event and the end is Justin Dipietro's incarceration.

    It takes time and Ayla has not be gone for even six months.
    It could be three to five years to finalize a conviction after appeals.
    I'm betting all in that MSP & the DA have the evidence and nerve to win.
    Believing that is not as much fun as the fantasy of Ayla coming home to play on the swings in the sunshine but it is better than walking away as if nothing ever happened and joining the cult of ostrich ranchers.

    P.S.
    Musicians dream the dream.
    Justin's dream died when Ayla died.
    Click on thru the ID toll booth Justin.

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  19. Tudela BABY MURDER incentive plansMay 15, 2012 at 10:48 PM

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    Lisa, I have to disagree with you here. Justin is doing plenty in the search. It's not his priority to tell you what he's been up to its his priority to find his daughter. Every time he's gone to the media they "twist" or "speculate." he has said everything he needed to the public. That didn't work. Trista and Jeff's smear campaign was rather effective at turning this halfway decent guy into a jerk in the eyes of the public. The truth is patient. It will come out. Obscure has already unveiled much of the garbage out there. Let's be honest... The media doesn't want to help, they want to sell stories. So forget them! "This Little Light of Maine" is an organization that truly wants to help and has done a hundred times more than what any "nancy grace" can do. Justin doesn't owe the media anything. He has told LE all he knows; if they need more, they know where to reach him.
    And as far as giving up on interviews not looking good... isn't it clear that most have made up their mind by now. An interview most likely isn't going to sway the opinion of someone who thinks he's played a role in the "foul play."
    It's a nice thought and all, for Justin to try another tactic; have any other ideas. I'm curious where trista is holed up? Haven't seen that cunning face in the papers lately?!?

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    1. I asked Derek a direct question of whether he was at the play date of 16 December with his son and Ayla. Why he goes on accusing others of hiding is obvious because it deflects from his refusal to answer a simple question. A question he still won't answer.

      Thxs for the update TBMIP

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    2. All about justin as usual. Yes, LE has his number but what about him contacting them out of concernand checking in to see what's up. what about him working with LRC?

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    3. Tudela BABY MURDER incentive planMay 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM

      Lol!
      Not surprised to hear Derek fails to answer ONE simple question, while playing interference for "His Boy Peach"...

      Afterall, to look at him, you'd NEVER mistake him for anyone else's son than Heidi's!

      Mommy has taught him well, how to talk (LOUD) circles around an obvious LIE, and never admit to ANYthing!!

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    4. I know some people don't like NG (derek obviously doesn't - not that I care), but did anyone watch it tonight? It was mostly about Isabel, but what was discussed about her father applies to Justin as well.

      Missing/kidnapped children cases are USUALLY due to family. Investigation usually starts with the family members. As the family members are ruled out, LE moves on, past the family.

      NG and guest agreed that the father (referring to Isabels) does not HAVE to say anything, does not HAVE to explain anything. He doesn't HAVE to prove anything to anyone. **BUT** if he is innocent he would want to and should do so, so that LE can rule him out, stop investigating HIM, and move on to someone(s) else.

      I feel this pertains to Justin & Co. as well (and any other parents/family of "kidnapped" children).

      That is not to say that LE is not investigating anyone or anything else, in conjunction with investigating the father/family, but they could rule him out and focus more somewhere else.

      Why would someone innocent not cooperate, not be honest, not communicate? Don't they WANT their child found??

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    5. Exactly! I have been asking that same question from the beginning. If he is as innocent as he claims, why not bend over backwards to prove to LE that is innocent so he can be ruled out as a suspect? Why publicly call LE incompetent and refuse to speak? If LE doesn't believe you after bending over backwards to prove your innocent, you take it to the media and plead your case. Justin has done none of this. Everything is somebody else's fault. He made a statement before that he was confused and thought LE didn't want him to talk, then Heidi or Angela commented in TTLOM that he was naive and didn't know what to do when something like this happened, he can't use the same excuses anymore and he has admitted he did not do all he can but he still has done nothing to rectify that. If he was truly innocent and someone else did take Ayla why would he not want to rule himself out as a suspect immediately so LE would look somewhere else and possibly find the person responsible?

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    6. I have to ask you something J4A, that's been gnawing at me. I'm going to send you an email.

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  20. I personally feel LE is not putting out a whole lot of information these days because they are getting close. On top of that they may be withholding information due to the Dips no longer being cooperative. I think they are trying to make them squirm by not letting them know where they are in the investigation. You know, you don't want to give me any info I am not going to give you any. Why would you give them info? To give them a head start. I imagine at this point now they are fishing for information to see where LE is in the investigation, hence the release of one-half of a text conversation.

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  21. Who thinks it is a good idea to give Heidi and Derek some FaceTime? They seem to have no problem trashingh Trista from behind their keyboards. I say we bring thm out into the light so everyone who sees them in Maine knows just who sold a life iinsurance policy for a baby, to an unemployed drug addict/drug dealer. These lying skumbags need to show their faces since they are so bold when lying for their buddies even when the lies cover up the murder of an innocent child.

    Hey heid and Derek, say cheese!

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    1. I don't recall having seen their pictures. I'd like to "put a face to the name".

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    2. Surprisingly, they are not nearly as hideous as the Dipietros, though their souls are equally tainted and black.

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    3. I think it may just be time to show the rich people that They cannot lie and cheat under the veil of a "faceless" moniker. They are cowards otherwise they would. Not lie and cover up what they know.

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    4. I would think that some "face time" for the public could jog someones memory concerning the days leading up to the 17th. Maybe someone will recall seeing them behind the mill on the 15th, maybe on a nature walk on the 16th, you can never tell!!!

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    5. They will be starring prime time tonight...Meet the Tudelas!

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    6. There is a pic of Hedi on her fb page

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    7. heidi and derek didn't make ayla disappear....they are defending someone they think is innocent....just as YOU are defending someone you think is innocent...you are quick to ridicule the actions of others but fail to see that your actions are the same...your theories must not be holding water with Le, otherwise, they would have told the public the case was solved...I'm sure LE just shook their heads like most of us when they read about the tape of the babies PLAYING where a number of you starting saying that gaby was being directed by an adult to kick ayla..the hateful posts went on and on and were never deleted...false information was allowed to be put out there...so sad...you looked like incompetent fools...clearly we all could see exactly who was doing the kicking...one of you went as far as to post that the tape should be turned over to the prosecution...for what??? not one of you had the courage to admit you were wrong...but what you did managed to do is 'damage' the credibility of this blog with your 'witch hunt' instead of sticking to facts...and you continue to do so...

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    8. Maybe you should go read ALL the comments again.

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    9. I saw the tape, but never thought the kids were being coached...they just looked like kids playing, and toddlers can get rough with each other sometimes, I have seen my own two do it from time to time...

      They, the Tudelas, are defending Justin, who is telling them he is innocent, not who they think is truly, unequivocally innocent...there is a monumental difference between the two...

      Read Heidi's words on her support of Justin, and our legal system again...she even acknowledges that Justin may be found guilty of "something", and that all LE needs is "Evidence", but she also states that Justin was shown evidence, but she does not believe it is real...she is very contradictory within her own sentences. She also states that she feels that if Justin is CONVICTED of a crime in this case, she will still have been morally righteous to have defend him so blindly...her downfall here is that she, and Selena, have taken their unabashed defense of Justin to the point of insulting LE, who does have evidence, just not the full set they need to proceed with arrests... She does not think his is innocent 100%, as she concedes to his possible guilt, her words, not mine, and they are crystal clear...

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    10. And btw, as far as derek not making Ayla "disappear", I have my doubts... I think him and his Mommy are doing a lot more than just defending someONE they think is innocent.

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    11. Hi Derek

      http://www.picwizz.com/upload/8554-1528.PNG

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  22. Then get to posting them pics and please post a link to get to them!!! I'm anxious to see if who I picture looks anything like these liars.

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    1. Hedis pic, https://www.facebook.com/heidi.tudela

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  23. I think that is a great idea Anonymous. Contact the local news paper and see if they will publish the pictures. If not just make the pictures and post them at stores such as Nordstrom JK, I mean 7 Eleven and other liquor stores, and the Waterville Walmart. Keep up the fight foe Justice foe Ayla. Phoebe hired a Private Defense Atty or 2 for the fam, who is paying for that? The TLLOM baby murderer defense fund?

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  24. Selena Johnson15.5.12

    1. 8:00pm: AYLA is tucked into bed. Justin Courtney and Li need to fill in what they did before bed and what time they finally went to bed. Did Justin and Courtney go upstairs before they went to bed to get drinks, bathroom…whatnot.
    2. 3:00am: A neighbor’s dog barks, a car is heard pulling up, Gabby stirs and Li snuggles her close and drifts back to sleep.
    3. Between 3:00 and 6:00am someone sees people leaving the yard with something wrapped in a blanket. This is a tip. Two black men and a woman wearing fuzzy boots.
    4. 6:00-8:00am Grampa Ray must leave to pick up Trista…unless he was already at Trista’s motel room. It was early morning when Trista’s relative said she saw Trista with AYLA.
    5. Trista is on the road between 8:00 and 10:00 to go see burn boy. IF Grandpa is already there, they may have been on the road sooner to where ever their destination was. Note: all three: Trista, Jessica, Grampa burnboy have an interest in AYLA and have motive to go get her.
    6. 8:00 Justin finds AYLA missing.
    7. Between 8:00 and 8:50 AYLA is franticly being looked for. Phoebe is called.
    8. 8:50am Justin calls LE.
    9. LE looks around from 8:50 and 11:00 something. They call S.Portland PD to look for AYLA at Trista’s.
    10. 10:00 am LE searches Trista’s room where Jess stayed the night. Somewhere between 10:00 and 11:30ish Trista finds out that AYLA is missing. From either Jessica or Ronnie Sr.
    11. Ronnie Sr. is called around 11:30…he gets in touch with Trista then.
    12. She is sleeping on the ride to Burnboy. She is so tired that she needs sleep. No alibi is known to the public. But it would involve her sister. IMO I don’t know what time Trista finally made it to Waterville from where she was but is said she went through Waterville and then to Portland to go with Ronnie back to Waterville but I have heard several scenarios with this.
    *Time from where she was when she heard AYLA was missing and getting to WTVL is important.*
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    1. Just reported Helena to MSP and fbi for reporting false scenario as fact.

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    2. Selena,on your timeline you explain every hour for Trista and For Justins you say he can fill it in? How is it you know what Trista was doing every minute but have no idea what Justin was doing? See That "WHATNOT" well that could mean anything.why doesnt Justin want to tell the public what he was doing for those few hours after Ayla was in bed?

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    3. That's true Anon. Why no "hour to hour" timeline for Justin?

      After being questioned as to why she (Selena) doesn't speak about Ayla, she now, puposely places AYLA's name everywher she possibly can, in CAP's. Pathetic...
      How about AUNTIE Selena, ask her FAMILY some questions, instead of GUESSING??!!

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    4. Selena,
      1. I thought Court didn't get there until after Ayla went to bed,
      2. If you know Gabby stirred and Li snuggled her, why not ask Li to fill in the info for #1?
      3. What tip, what blanket, who are hte two black men and a woman in fuzzy boots?
      4. Which relative supposedly saw Trista with Ayla and why did they tell you and not LE.
      5. Yes they all have motive, but Trista had legal right!!
      6. So now Justin found her missing? I thought it was Li, no wait, Court, oh wait I forget.
      7-9. How do you KNOW this if you don't talk about the case with your family.
      10-11. Your hours are jumping around, need a new battery for the watch.
      12. Trista is being a PARENT to lil Ray. I am sure she is tired from doing just that. Why can't your boy Justin say the same about Ayla???

      Keep trying though, it is somewhat closer to a feasible timeline. Not really but I don't want you to give up!!!

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    5. Out of order and missing info = Deception

      Does anyone REALLY think she NEVER talk/talked/talks to her family about what happened to Ayla?

      Maybe - if they are THAT estranged, so much so that Phoebe didn't know who she was, when she called her.

      She is trying to do something. Deflect? Defend her family (blindly)? Idk, but it's not working...

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    6. Kit,

      I would love to see the phone records from MSP showing just how many times each day they talked before the 17th and then after. I would be shocked if they do not talk daily about, how do you want to deflect next, who do you want to accuse today, etc. Them talking about the defense ploys is also talking about the case. JMO

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    7. how does Elisha know what time she stirred and snuggled, unless she woke and looked at the clock?

      ...remember they all said they heard nothing!

      For someone who publicly denounced both MSP and the FBI for being sloppy and inaccurate, oh, and WRONG, she sure did make a lot of mistakes...

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    8. "Li snuggles her close" LMAO!!!! Is this woman writing a book? She acts like she was there! This woman pisses me off so much I hope she gets a visit from "burnboy."

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    9. By "a visit" I assume you're not talking about him going to see her and they'd have coffee and play a game of Rummy. Are you suggesting that Ray is dangerous and might harm her? And that you would hope for that because she pisses you off?

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    10. Anon 2:14, read the article posted concerning Selenas theory and then ask yourself, do ytou know what sarcasm is??

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  25. Justin and Courtney, this has gone on long enough. No matter how hard you try to focus on all the petty little matters that surround your daughter's disappearance, it does not change the fact that Law Enforcement are at this very minute finding evidence proving you had every thing to do with what happened to Ayla. You can blog, spread rumors, leak texts and whatever else all you want but the fact remains, you left evidence to be found. LE found the blood, they found the Life Insurance Policy and now they are finding the rest of the evidence. How many others besides you know what really happened? Do you think they will keep thier mouths shut when indictments start getting handed down? Give them Ayla in exchange for a lesser plea now while you still have a chance.

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  26. Where did Selena get this info? Who told you that a relative? LE didnt tell you.So who did? It was early morning when Trista’s relative said she saw Trista with AYLA.

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    1. Who knows where she gets her information, but will likely claim all errors are simply a bunch of mistakes, or guesses...

      If it were my child, my great niece, who was missing, and I was openly criticizing LE for being inaccurate and sloppy, and WRONG, I would make certain to only release or reproduce FACTUAL, correct information on the case, with NO mistakes, especially if trying to simultaneously clear my family of deception and a criminal act against a child in their exclusive care...

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    2. In a different comment she said those are her scenarios. It was right after her 1st comment, but probably wasn't posted/approved yet.

      Selena Johnson 15.5.12

      "...This btw is just a scenario, as have been all my other posts. My personal opinions of what could have happened. I believe this is VERY possible."

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    3. Kit,

      It still doesn't shange the fact she says it "could have happened" NOT, or "VERY possible", also NOT!!! And as you know already, because I have seen you post it many times before, not one piece of her scenario is based on known facts.

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    4. Yes John ITA! I just posted that because someone said they were reporting her to MSP for posting that malarkey, as fact. :)

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    5. I just saw the comment you mentioned. I read it the first time and saw it as sarcasm. Sorry I missed it before.

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    6. most people who post scenarios take care to get the facts of the case straight, at least to some degree...

      Selena has spent a considerable amount of time defending her family, and is by now, intimately familiar with the details of this case, both from her family, and from reading all the blogs and articles...

      to post her facts so blatantly wrong, when even total strangers, with no vested familial interest, get the facts spot on, first try...well, make your own conclusions...

      If it were my family, my great niece missing, I would not be capable of sloppy writing, careless mistakes, or half-assing information put out to the public because I was too lazy to fill in the details properly before pressing the publish button...

      my heart would make me write it all correct as possible, no mistakes overlooked...

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  27. Deriks comment of his BFF Justin " this HALFWAY decent guy into a jerk in the eyes of the public." Derik..Why is your BFF Justin only halfway decent?? What half do we the public see?? What half do you see?? Do you really know him that well? Please explain the half we dont know...you know what i mean..the good half!!!!

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    1. Well if derek thinks/admits that Justin is only "halfway decent", I'd assume it is much less than that! If Justin's BEST friend can only muster up, PUBLICLY, that Justinn is "halfway decent", that is pretty sad and very telling. Geez, he couldn't even claim Justin to be decent?? Decent, which isn't even that great of a compliment...? :/

      Where is Ayla, Halfway Decent Justin?

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    2. If, from what selena says, that they were searching for Ayla for 50 minutes i wonder did they go knock on neighbors doors to see if Ayla had wandered away? i would not take 50 minutes to search the house alone. i have not heard anything about them running up and down the streets looking.
      I also thought it was said that either courtney or elisha was the one to find her missing.

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    3. That's so true Chicky. I've wondered too, what those 3 where doing to "look" for Ayla during that time. Were they searching outside, knocking on neighbors doors, etc.? I'd love to know what exactly they were doing when LE arrived. I'd like to know what they were wearing and if they were all showered and dressed? Was ayden and Gabby still in their pj's, since they either were not up yet or just getting up?

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    4. Also Chicky, yes, it was originally Elisha, then changed to courtney - so it was at least one of those 2, it was NEVER said to be Justin who found Ayla "missing". Which is pretty spineless of him, to once again, let someone else take the fall for him...

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    5. @Kit,
      Oh my gosh, the line - Where is Ayla, Halfway Decent Justin? That needs to be a caption for a picture!

      These people and their cohorts are pathetic. Your supposedly best friend and lifelong bud can only muster up that you're halfway decent??

      Derek - "Justin doesn't owe the media anything. He has told LE all he knows; if they need more, they know where to reach him."
      No, Justin doesn't owe the media anything but what about Ayla? Remember her? He owes it to her.
      In SA saying you’ve told police everything you know is a sign of deception. You can tell them everything you remember at the time but you can’t possibly tell them everything you know. They know where to reach him? Why is he not in constant contact with them asking for progress reports, telling them little things he’s remembered (oh, that’s right, he told them all he knows) and pressuring them to find her?

      Derek – “And as far as giving up on interviews not looking good... isn't it clear that most have made up their mind by now. An interview most likely isn't going to sway the opinion of someone who thinks he's played a role in the "foul play."
      You missed the point AGAIN DT. It’s NOT about your boy Peach looking or not looking good or swaying anyone’s opinion– IT”S ABOUT AYLA!!! Who cares what people think of him? If he was innocent of wrongdoing he’d be getting his daughters face out there, he’d be pleading and begging whoever had her not to hurt her and to return her to her family. He’d be telling the press what her favorite things were, that she had a favorite blankie, that she needs a binkie to go to sleep. Things a real parent would do because they’d want their child taken care of and not scared.
      Poor. Poor Ayla if these selfish, self-centered people are who she was surrounded by.

      Ok, rant finished and climbing down off of soapbox now.

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    6. Rant on MOO, I find your logic exhilirating and well thought out! Don't stop when you were on such a roll! :)

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    7. Thanks John,

      I don't post much, read all the time though. This bunch has gotten under my skin, I'm so sick of all the excuses.

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  28. In December with no Jacket,she would need 911,I'd look and call at the same time,in case she had hypothermia, ok parents would you wait 50 minutes in the winter to call for help?

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    1. Not a chance Jan. And I would definately call 911 before calling Mommy Dearest! I wonder which call was made first???

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    2. Well, according to Selena, he called Mommy first. Obviously, that can't be taken as fact though, as she has NO facts. She can't even bother to speak about any of it with her "family"!! I do think he called other PEOPLE though, before calling LE. I wonder why he NEVER called Trista, either to see if Trista "kidnapped" Ayla, or to even have the decency to tell her that Ayla "disappeared"?

      Oh, thats right he's only 1/2 decent anyway...

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    3. I would call my child's father first, while knocking on every neighbor's door, and calling out for my child. I imagine that call would be shrot, "Do you have___(name)__?"; if not, "OMG, get your ass over here & help me find our child!!!" Next, call the police!

      I don't even want to imagine that scenario, but when doing so (hypothetically) I see my mind racing dozens of directions at once: check neighborhood area, ask neighbors to help search, etc. Considering the numerous waterways near Justin's area, and wooded areas, I'd be torn. I live on the Chesapeake Bay and don't want to imagine having to search for my child there! But without a doubt, no one could stop me from searching for my child!!! They'd have to handcuff me!

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    4. I would be knocking on the doors, with my cell in my hand dialing 911...I would never waste precious time like that, as even a panicking parent instantly realizes their physical incapability to search all the areas at once, quickly and well, and so would instead yell my kid's name till hoarse, wake all the neighbors(who obviously would have woken you up immediately if they had seen your 20 month old in jammies outside, freezing cold... duh) and yell for help from anyone that could hear and assist...

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  29. I must be an over protective parent,call me crazy but after I check the house,if my 2 year old was not there,911 ,my house is the same size as Justins 5 minutes to check under beds,3 people could do that in 2 minutes.Why did it take 50? That is way to long!

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    1. Yes 50 minutes is WAY too long, almost an hour. Where were they searching for her, for an hour??

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    2. Maybe, just maybe, they called Phoebe first and her check wherever she was at first. Oh hell, there is absolutely no reason for more then a 5 minute delay, and that is only if you are alone with only 1 phone. Why didn't one call 911, one call Mommy Dearest and all three checking under beds and in cabinets and WHATNOT

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    3. I guess that would probably be what people would do if their child was really kidnapped...

      Were they still cleaning? Getting lies straight? Having "cold feet" about calling LE? Did any neighbors see them searching, calling out Ayla's name; hear a comotion?

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    4. Only the loud bang at 3:00 AM. My guess, a gunshot maybe from within a semi-soundproofed room?

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    5. So what are you saying WHATNOT?????? You don't automatically assume your missing child thinks "it is some kind of a game?" (Sarcasm in case you don't know my posts). Come on people, it took them 50 minutes because they too thought it was some kind of a game.

      In fact, I just made up a new name for the game of when your child goes missing. "Abduction or Missing Child Game? You get to choose one or both scenarios. Whoever lies their asses off the most is the winner.

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  30. I know it's off topic a little. But maybe instead of donating to some of the missing children funds we could donate to the $30K reward. And find businesses and individuals that would donate to the reward to up the ante.

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    1. Ruby,

      I like where your heart is. I personally believe that Justin and Co. will not turn themselves in and then not be able to collect the reward. As for Lance or Heidi or Darrell spilling the beean, too many family members would be affected.

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    2. I was curious why the reward money has not increased. Is Ayla not worth every penny you have, P, E, L, J, C, S, H, A, .... Et al???

      When bill collectors called, any of them, I'd ask them to contact me in writing only, inform them of my missing child, and instruct them to leave my phone line open for more important calls pertaining to my child! Fine, take my home, cars, take every single thing I have, or I'll sell everything I own to fund the search for my child!

      I can't grasp that, based on public statements, Justin & his network are not doing more to find Ayla! He appears well rested in photos, where (with respect) many of Trista's photos clearly show weariness. What gives???

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    3. Commander,

      My personnal opinion, because Justin is not living with the torment of not knowing, Trista is! He has his skirts to hide behind, Trista wears her heart on her sleeve for the world to see! He has no need to do interviews with anyone in the media because he owes the media and public nothing, but Trista will do every single request she knows Ayla deserves that! JMO though!

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    4. John P! - ITA with your response!

      Btw, in case it wasn't obvious, I'm "Jo (the Navy wife)". Being new to blogs, it took me a moment to figure out how to use my screen name ;)

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    5. Don't experts agree that increasing reward money encourages the kidnapper to keep the victim longer in hopes more increases will be made to the sum? I know increases do happen occasionally, but I think it is frowned upon for the reason given.

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    6. It is good to see you again Jo. I did see the similarity but wasn't sure if it was the person. Your previous post about the DiPs increasing the reward, more like failing to, simply shows further that the DiPs care none about Ayla and it is the TLLOM group leaders that are footing the bill for billboards, fizzle merchandise, whatever. I find it absolutely revolting that these people would hide in a secret group and work outside everybody else! Pool the resources together! one masssssssive efoort! IMO, TLLOM elite members are starved for recognition!

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    7. Anon I have to agree with you but mainly because I want NO-ONE to profit from Aylas disappearance unless it is an outside "oh by the way" type of tip by a person without a single tie to anyone involved with Aylas disappearance!

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  31. The fact that they didn't call 911 right away makes them look more innocent to me. If they disposed Ayla and cleaned up, why wouldn't they call 911 first thing in the morning to make it look more truthful? Also, this delay in calling 911 may explain why the methadone clinic knew about the abduction before the 911 call. If they were searching out side and calling people, word spreads fast.

    Selena's story line is flawed. The fuzzy boot lady with two guys was something someone said they saw in town, not in the Dip's yard.

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    1. Chicago, Thanks for clearing up the fuzzy boot lady with two guys, I had not seen that before.

      I have to respectfully disagree though with the delay making them look more innocent. Even if they were out looking, not supported, but even if they were the 2 children would have been kept inside with one adult while the other two adults were out looking. Why would the one adult in the house with the kids not call 911? We know Courtney and Justin have cell phones so why not call from one of the 3 phones minimum in the house? I am just not seeing the delay making him look more innocent?

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    2. Ok, maybe it doesn't make them look more innocent, but to my thinking, it doesn't make them look more guilty either. It's possible they thought Phoebe took her and maybe they couldn't get in touch with Phoebe right away to ask if she had her. Maybe most people would call 911 immediately, but everyone doesn't think the same. I'm not condoning anything they do or have done, but I think there may be reasons in their minds as to why they did them. Try to look at this case without prejudice.


      As I recall, the fuzzy boot thing was discussed on the Sentinel comment board a long time ago.

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    3. Chicago, I can see in a moment of confussion and panic the first call may have been to Phoebe. I dont see a 50 minute moment of confussion however, as described in Selenas theory. I think what most of have a problem with is that after 2 or 3 tries to call Phoebe , possibly without answer, why not call 911 then try calling Phoebe after? Just a few minutes of delay, understandable almost an hour, not understandable.

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    4. two men, one woman, no fuzzy boots...white van, at 530 am on the 14th or 15th of Dec handing a young child with no coat roughly over to the man...this is the Cool st tip, as it occurred at/near the intersection of violette ave and cool st.

      I would have called 911 within minutes of not finding her, not an hour...and I have had a young child hiding in the house before,while everyone was looking for her, and once in a Macy's department store(hiding in the racks of clothes), so know exactly how it goes...
      I was abducted myself when I was 5, with my 4 year old brother. We were returned by people that saw us on the side of the road hitchicking ...because the abductor rolled the car we were in down a cliff ...
      My mom waited to call the police too, for several hours, because she had been up on drugs all night, and was passed out cold when my youngest brother and I were taken...
      she waited to call the cops because she was afraid of what would happen to HER, so she kept looking illogically, and in a panic, and delayed the one call that could have had us back safe and unharmed...

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    5. Emerald, I am sorry for this event that you had to go through. It is a shame whenever someone becomes so involved with drugs!

      And I agree with you, maybe a call to Phoebe to see if ahe had Ayla, if not or if no answer, my net call is 911. I can call back as a false alarm later if I find her.

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    6. Actually there were 2 different reported sightings, one from someone named Kadoe on the MS which was on the morning of the 17th and 2 black men and a woman in furry boots which she identified as Phoebe since she knew her from around town. I think many dismissed her as being not all there or not being honest.

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    7. If they thought Phoebe could have taken Ayla ,wouldnt they notice her jacket there? Why wouldnt a grandmother put a coat on a child in December? Nope I dont believe they thought Phoebe could have taken her and not told them she was leaving the house,without telling Them.A grandmother wouldnt take his child out of the house at night without telling someone.

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    8. John P,
      exactly my thoughts...
      I would rather look like the biggest fool in the world for calling 911 and not needing it(only to find my child hiding later on, haha oops...), then to risk loosing my daughter forever to one of many fears first thought when found missing:

      1. household accident in an undiscovered location within the property(mike tyson's daughter). The DiPietros' have a very small house, with small property and outbuildings, and very little landscaping, no rough terrain, so it would be very easy to determine she was not there, and with three adults, should have only taken minutes...

      2. wander into the street, get hit by a car, and be laying in a ditch along the road...

      3. wander off to the nearby stream, and fall in...or get attacked by animals...I assume the largest predators in Maine are rare, as are feral dog packs in Waterville...

      4. abduction...this would be the first and last thing on my mind, so LE would be my first call after not finding her on the property or in the house...in an ideal, rational scenario, one person calls phoebe, while JD calls 911, while Courtney watches the kids...instead you have a 911 call, after phoebe is called, after 50 minutes of three adults searching less than an acre of almost bare land with two tiny outbuildings and a one story, three room house with a basement and attic that Ayla could not have gotten into by herself...

      Jeff's blog said Trista heard the first 2 calls, not the 3rd:

      "The recordings of the 911 calls only lasted a couple of minutes according to Trista but she said that Justin sounded “like he was trying " and that "he was not really sounding sincere”. Trista said that the 911 operator told Justin not hang up and to stay on the line, but that he did hang up on the dispatcher. The second recording was of the 911 dispatcher calling Justin after being disconnected that only lasted a few moments before Justin hung up on the operator again."

      Why would you hang up? Twice? I have read comments that say presumably to look for Ayla, but according to Selena's timeline, they already looked for 50 minutes, so why hang up to look again?

      If he needed to get info from ED or CR, and they were still out looking and not by the phone, or within voice range within the house, then who was watching Gabby and Aiden as all the adults freaked out and ran around?
      Why, if they looked for 50 minutes, were they all not present for the call?
      If they were all present for the call, why hang up? This is all assuming Justin is calling from a land line with no hand held cordless, not a cell phone, because if he were on a cell, I have a very hard time believing that it dropped his call twice, but the 911 dispatcher was able to get signal through immediately after to call him back...twice...highly improbable

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  32. I wonder if Heidi charges Justin rent money?? Wouldnt she have to claim that as income???

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  33. IMO, the delay in calling 911 was a lot longer than 50 minutes.... I am going with several days!

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    1. LouLou, None of us believe the 911 call was for a child found missing either. I just find the Selena "theory" so comical, I had to point out a few flaws with her timeline.

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    2. John p.... oh, I know! I just get so ticked off at all the lies and the spewing of more lies and hatred, that I had to throw in my two cents! Thanks for all you do, John!

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  34. I don't believe the Elisha/Courtney/Jason found Ayla missing at 8 AM stories, but if that happened, after looking five minutes, you'd think they would immediately call Phoebe, thinking maybe she returned early and decided to go back out for coffee or whatever and took an already awake Ayla with her since no one else was up. The next call should be 911, followed by a call to Trista to ask her if she had Ayla and/or inform her Ayla was missing. Not calling Trista makes the least sense of all to me.

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    1. LouLou...I agree with you. I think Phoebe was in the house when the accident occurred on another day and her being away is the red herring...or one of them in this case. And, Eve, Justin not even calling Trista...the one whom the DiPs now all point to as SUSPECT #1..is ludicrous. Of course in a normal situation, you'd make sure the other parent didn't take Ayla unless you knew where she was...as did Justin. IMO
      __Pennyante

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    2. And when the LE spokesperson stated there were 2 children in the house that night, I do not think he mispoke... or lied (per selena) or had his information wrong (per ED)... I think he knew exactly what he was talking about.

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  35. I forgot to add the link to sign Juliette's petition in the post, if anyone is interested in signing it and helping to bring justice to Juliette please go to

    http://www.change.org/petitions/governor-nebraska-gov-dwarner-scottsbluffcounty-org-justice-for-juliette-guerts

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    1. Holy crap! I recently spoke with my MIL, telling her about Ayla's case. She kept correcting me about the circumstances, which I argued with her about. Eventually she asked me if I was referring to the child near her, in which I told her that Ayla lived in Maine.

      Then I see your link to the petition having "Scottsbluff". My in-laws live in Bridgeport, and ran the town's popular cafe.

      Unimaginable. Unbelievable. Ridiculous! Upsetting. Maddening. Infuriating! Grrrrrrrrrr!!! What is wrong with people? I'm starting to think people should undergo a strenuous stress test before giving birth - male & female!

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    2. Yes Juliette's case is awful and is very similar in some regard to Ayla's case.

      I think that you are right, a strenuous test as well as a competency test. In Juliette's case her mother brought her to the ER for having a fever and seizures, the doctor told her to monitor her closely so she went home and took a sleeping pill!

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    3. Seriously? God forbid a mother should lose her precious beauty sleep on account of her daughter's fever and seisures! How does any mother sleep when their child is sick? This goes right along with Ayla's arm being fractured/broken, and no one in that house checked on her throughout the night! Unbelievable!

      People often disagree with me, especially speaking of political matters, but I have very strong opinions none the less. Consider how different our children's lives would be, adults as well, if people knew they'd receive the same punishment as they inflict on others. I'd like to think there'd be far less crime. I personally feel there should be zero leniency on proven child abuse. "awww, you accidentally broke your child's arm? Here, let me break both of your arms so you can suffer with your child!" (I know. It doesn't work that way, but some of you get what I'm saying.)

      When my family was stationed in CT, in military housing, a neighbor was completely neglecting her children. The 8 y/o would stop by at around 10pm to ask for food because her parents decided to take a nap at 5pm, and were still sleeping. Their 20 m/o was always outside with her 8 y/o taking care of her, even late at night. The 20 m/o, grabbed a pot handle on the stove, one of the rare days mom decided to cook & feed the family. Hot soup poured down the little girl's head, face, and body, scalding her. This family was African American, so the majority of the little girl's head, face, and upper body melted downward. I found out about it when the mom stopped by and showed me photos of her little girl, with no emotion at all! Again....... Unbelievable!!!

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