Sunday, May 27, 2012

Guest Submission: VTLady ~ "Coincidence"

“COINCIDENCE”.

Not a big fan! At least, when it comes to dissecting a set of events surrounding a given human being, and his or her actions, it isn’t.
Why?

Well, it comes down to my philosophical views, I guess:

To my experience, human beings ---even the “irrational” ones---- are, naturally inclined to decide their next course of action based upon the related events and/or factors which preceded or surrounded their decision.

It’s just how we operate. There’s nearly ALWAYS an identifiable reason for the decisions we make. We leave very little to chance, or randomness, when it comes to our own lives.  Our interactions with the people “in” our lives tend to be DELIBERATE.


To my way of thinking, it makes much MORE SENSE to work from the assumption that all the known factors associated with a specific event ARE in fact “related”, unless/until there is evidence to prove otherwise.

Furthermore, once you begin to add in other “supporting” details---ones that would ALSO have to  be dismissed as a PARALLEL “coincidences”--- in order for the primary event to itself remain a coincidence, it becomes LESS LIKELY that EITHER are…


For instance:


In order for the LIP purchase by JUSTIN against AYLA, itself be deemed an innocent “coincident” to the event of her ultimate “disappearance”,  the following must ALSO be considered “contributing coincidences”.

1.)    That Justin lied to obtain Ayla’s SS# from Trista, knowing that her SS# was a NECESSARY piece of information in order to open a policy against his victim daughter. Innocent intentions do not require covering-up with lies.

2.)    That the estimated DATE that Trista states Justin scammed Ayla’s SS# from her,  happens to roughly coincide with the date the policy is thought to have been opened (just after the DiPs made their custody grab).  This speaks against “back-dating” to cash in on an accidental death after-the-fact.

3.)    That Justin’s text message “premonitions”  that he thought someone might try and “TAKE” Ayla,  were in fact, unrelated to BOTH, his subsequent report of Ayla being abducted from his “sole-custody”, AND,  his prior purchase of the LIP against her, from which HE was set to benefit “should she suddenly become deceased”.

This cluster of events that would ALL have to be simultaneously considered “coincidences” both to the primary events of the LIP and reported “abduction” and to the other minor surrounding events, such as the dates they happened to occur, and other tangential facts. This makes the probability of ANY of them being deemed “coincidental” even LESS likely than if they were to have occurred alone!

That’s why I REFUSE to dismiss Justin’s purchase of the LIP against AYLA, as “coincidental” to her disappearance, and also have DIFFICULTY believing it to have been purchased “AFTER the fact” and simply “back-dated”.


In order for the LIP to NOT point to premeditated, first-degree murder, too many events would have to be considered “unrelated”--in the complete ABSENCE of ANY evidence showing that they ARE “unrelated”--for me to accept it as such.


Similar rationale can be applied to determine the APPROXIMATE date that Ayla may have actually “gone missing” from Justin’s care:


After December 8th Trista was given the run-around, and prevented from speaking to AYLA on the phone. Coincidence?? Some would have us believe this to be the case.

A detective from MSP reportedly told the Reynolds that it was “untrue” that no one had seen Ayla since early December.  This could mean that Ayla has been verified as alive and well on Dec. 7th, 8th, 9th… or ANY date leading UP TO her reported “abduction” a week later!

IMHO, perhaps the first night or two Justin claimed Ayla to be unavailable to talk to Trista WAS due to her being asleep, or with another family member and not Justin... but a WHOLE WEEK?? No way. Why? Because, not ONLY do we have to then assume that Ayla being suddenly “unavailable” during this period of time, was COINCIDENTAL to the subsequent report of her “abduction”,  we would ALSO have to believe that Justin COINCIDENTALLY “just happened” to stop taking his usual course of action in dealing with others to make this happen.


JUSTIN has shown (repeatedly!)  t
hat he is all about doing what’s best for JUSTIN.
He is a lazy man… It’s the “Path of Least Resistance” all the way for him! So, why would he abandon his usual behavior in order to make his OWN life difficult during this entire week??

Keep in mind that with every single DAY that Justin needlessly gave Trista the run-around, and prevented her from speaking to their daughter… Trista would’ve become MORE relentless to speak with her injured baby!! Her calls would be increasing in frequency and urgency.

Personally, I think if Ayla had been *physically capable* of coming to the phone, Justin would have made that happen...if ONLY to shut Trista up, and get her to quit calling him. Courtney Roberts seems to show signs of being the "jealous-type". Justin receiving more frequent calls to his phone from Trista, would have been a point of contention for her,  yes?
So, if Ayla was OK enough to talk, then Justin would have been putting up with the hassle of dodging Trista AND an irritated Courtney...for what? 
Every day we have to assume he kept up that charade ”needlessly”, decreases the likelihood that the charade was “needless”, IMHO. This leads me to believe that we should STILL be leaning toward a “missing date” closer to the 8th than the 16th.

I know that many of my fellow commentators do not ascribe to this particular kind of thinking, and that’s great! I love to hear alternate theories that people hold (even ones I disagree with) and their reasons for thinking what they do. All I ask is that when stating your opinion, you at least ATTEMPT to give reasons for believing as you do!

So, what do you all think, and most importantly:
WHY?

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  1. I definitely think Ayla's missing date is closer to December 8th than the 16th. I have thought this from the beginning. As soon as Justin stopped allowing Trista to speak to Ayla, I believe Ayla was already gone.

    Justin knows. Justin, What did you do with Ayla?

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  2. VTLady, Great post! More, more, more!!!!

    Why hasn't any of the DiPietro's friends or family (besides the W3 and Derek)come forward to tell us they saw Ayla between the 8th and the 16th? Neighbors? Concerned citizens of Waterville?

    I beg anyone to come forward and tell us they saw an ALIVE and HEALTHY Ayla after Dec. 8. Please. Anyone. We will not out you here, you are safe. Come and tell us what you know.

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    1. Lol!
      Thanks, Grace!!
      :)

      I second your call for anonymous tips about sightings of AYLA on/after Dec.8th...

      From experience, I can attest: J4A, JMH, Grace and all the other administrators here, have handled my identity-related info with the greatest of discretion---WITHOUT my even having to ask!

      Come forward if you can, and tell them about the last time you saw AYLA.

      ***Obviously, if this is information you shared with investigators (or a GJ) and they've asked you keep it secret, don't tell---even anonymously!!***

      At the top of this blogsite there is a tab for "contact information", shoot an e-mail to an administrator.

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    2. I wonder if the reason that Justin wouldnt let Trista talk to Ayla could also been because Courtney wanted him to cut all ties with Trista.The text messages seemed like they got along pretty well, He did cheat on Courtney a few months before that.Why would Courtney trust him?

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    3. How did he go from having sex with her in October,telling the public that he always intended on co-parenting with Trista to not speaking to her at all? What happened between October and December?

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    4. Anon, add on - to BLAMING her for kidnapping Ayla, even if not personally, through others. He could very well put an end to that, and if he was 1/2 a man (not just 1/2 decent), he would.

      To answer the question. IMO, there are people who, sex means absolutely nothing to them. They will even use it to control someone else. Someone else who is emotionally connected to them. They will use that to their advantage. That is exactly what I think happened here.

      Btw, we know Trista was emotionally connected to him. It was obvious from the texts. It was obvious by her confusion. It was obvious by her behavior towards him at the vigil. That poor girl was so confused. He really used and manipulated her. JMO

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    5. When I was younger, sex was love.
      I think most women did / do.
      Quite a few men I knew / know do not operate on that premise.
      I don't believe that Justin has the capability to have a strong bond with any woman. Trista, Courtney or the other Baby Mama or the ones he is rumored to have seen in Waterville while seeing Courtney.
      Closing time at a bar, is that when Justin finds
      them ? Or when they find Justin ?
      a Canadian friend.

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  3. I agree with the general premise of your post. But #s 1 and 2 could be related to buying insurance for prospective drug laundering reasons and not murder. It's really only #3 that limits itself to a plan to make Ayla disappear.

    I have always felt that the disappearance was not the 16th but earlier. Surprised by police statement but even that doesn't preclude a disappearance 3 or 4 dates before the missing persons report.

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  4. ITA, I previously commented about growing up around controllers (as its said that justin is one) and how they like to control every situation. This also includes themselves. They always decide what their going to do before they do it, weather in anger or not. As for coinecidents of this number, I think not.whats the probabilitie? 1 in a billion that this would happen?

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  5. There are more coincidences. Phoebe was away for the evening where she couldn't hear and see any abductor. Elisha took Gabby into to bed with her so she would have no reason to get up during the night to check on Gabby and thus couldn't see or hear any abductor. Justin and Courtney were downstairs in the sound proof basement with Courtney's son so she would have not any reason to get up during the night with her child and of course they were also unable to hear or see an abductor. So circumstances conspired to leave Ayla all alone and vulnerable to an abductor.

    There are more Tudela coincidences. Not only did Derek sell Justin the LIP, he was present on Dec.16th for a play date. You all know the rest. Heidi is the conduit for the narrative posted by cousin Angela Harry, provides shelter for the DiPietros and Courtney, happened to see the four drops of blood, and presides over Justin's Morning Sentinel interview.

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    1. ITA!
      The sheer number of "coincidences" we'd have to accept in this case, in order to believe that DiPs/CR "didn't do it", and that numerous people aren't involved by covering for them, is quite ridiculous, IMO.
      I focused on the few that stand out most to me, but, as you point out: there's tons more!

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  6. I have to say VTLady, you give me something to think about. This is an outstanding post and I am glad you submitted it. I was right in expecting a great post from you.

    I agree with your points 1,2, and 3 being to great to be simply coincidence. But since you asked, I do disagree on one point. I think the date was closer to the 16th then the 8th and here is why.

    #1 Derrick is already involved because of the LIP,
    #2 Verification is too easy for what was claimed to be a poker party,
    #3 The viseo of 2 AM at Cumby for Justin which would have made him very irritable,
    #4 The denial of the paternal family to say who was watching Ayla the 15th and 16th.

    Again there are too many related elements for it to be simply coincidence. For these reasons I believe it was the 15th when he got back from Portland and was so irritable from lack of sleep and possible drug use. Hope this makes sense, but it is my reasoning for the one element I disagree with.

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    1. Thanks JohnP! :)

      I can see where you're coming from WRT to the date of actual disappearance.

      My only problem with this (other than the whole week of stone-walling Trista for no reason) is that Derek Tudela made his assertion backing up the "abduction story" early on. Before it was apparent LE was never going to buy into the DiPs'/CR's claim, IIRC...
      Then, once he opened his mouth, he either has to stick with the lie regarding WHEN he last saw Ayla, or admit he made it up---opening the door to a LOT of scrutiny, in a felony murder investigation!
      JMO/MOO

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    2. The stonewalling you mentioned is the biggest reason you got me rethinking. The problem I have with that was when you mentioned Courtney. She would have only known about this on the weekend right? That means it was early in the stonewalling and Courtney may have actually encourage JD to mess with Trista rather than discourage interaction. The majority of Tristas increased requests to speak with Ayla would have happened after Courtney left I thought?

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    3. BTW, I think Derrick is lying about the playdate. I think it was changed to a playdate to cover for something else. But I also think LE has to have verified it because of the detectives statement to the the Reynolds!

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    4. Well, I'm disinclined to believe that CR "only saw Justin on the weekends".
      The only evidence of this is being "true" is her hinky "Ayla's Story" assertion, and the assertion was made in the context of showing just how "stable, hardworking, and respectable" Courtney is!
      For all we know she spent nearly every waking moment with Justin, wherever that happened to be...
      Jealous women don't like to let their "studs" out of their sight for very long!
      ;)

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    5. If I assume that Courtney was there more frequent than weekends then I would have to change my dates. If I assume her college classes kept her in Portland during the week days, I have to go with my original statements. Either way, it seems JD is easily controlled by Courtney and Trista was being controlled by JD holding Ayla ransom. the date she was harmed is IMO crucial to finding Ayla and bringing her home!

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    6. I tend to agree with you VTLady except in regards to Courtney only being around on the weekends. I think that would be the only feasible time she COULD be in the Waterville area as it is my understanding that she attended classes at USM. She would have had to commute from Waterville to Portland every day she had classes. If she was carrying a full class load, this could very well require her to commute 5 days per week. I do have to agree with you on your comment about "how stable, hardworking and respectable" Courtney is simply due to the fact of the family she comes from and the company she keeps. Any stable, hard working, respectable young woman would not associate herself with the likes of Justin and his friends albeit, she cannot control the family background she has, she is only able to rise above it, if she so chooses. She may be able to rise above her familial circumstances however, she isn't showing evidence of that by associating with people like Justin DiPietro. IMO

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    7. What was finals week or last week of classes at USM for fall 2011 semester? That would help in determining how busy Courtney was during that time. Many colleges finish in early December. Most ending by mid December.

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    8. He could have spent time in Portland. With or without Ayla.

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    9. @JohnP!

      That was gonna be my next question, and I think you've answered it!
      So, Courtney HAS been confirmed to be an enrolled student---I'm assuming that means more than "auditing"/per diem one class at time?

      IIRC, there was some vague language used in the "Ayla's Story" narrative, about her working TOWARD her Master's, that lead to open speculation about what exactly that entailed...

      If she was a regular student, taking more than 2 or 3 courses, I'd have to agree that her "spare time" would probably be limited during the week!

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    10. Really good points, Ruby and Kit, about Courtney's semester possibly being OVER by the week of Dec.8th, or it being a somewhat moot point, due to Justin and Ayla being up in Portland during the week...

      Although if "something" befell Ayla in Portland what's up with her BLOOD being found in Waterville?? Could she have been gravely injured some OTHER way in Portland and finished-off in Waterville, maybe?? IDK..

      These scenarios turn my stomach, for Ayla!
      But.. when talking about someone who took an LIP on his missing daughter, and broke her arm shortly before reporting her missing---
      the unthinkable must be considered.
      D:

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    11. HAS it been confirmed?

      How come she has never, ever spoken up, this entire time? None of her relatives. None of her friends. No enemies. No one that is just an acquaintance. No one... No one has an opinion of her, either way?

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    12. VTLady, with her blood being down in Justin's house, I REALLY think "it" happened there... :( These def ARE unthinkable things. I STILL can't understand how someone could do the "unthinkable" to their child, their baby...!? Especially premeditated. Premeditated or not, it does happen all the time. Knowing and accepting that it does happen, still doesn't explain (to me) HOW someone can do it.

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    13. @ ruby32 - I checked the academic calendar for Fall 2011 and the last day of finals was Friday, December 23rd. It would be possible that Courtney was not in Waterville during the week but only on the weekends.

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    14. As far as being confirmed, Selena speaks frequently of Courtneys college education, but where I live, to get the assistance that it is rumored Courtney gets from the state, the student must be a full time student (minimum of 12 credits per semester). That is here though I don't know about Maine requirements for tuition assistance!

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    15. I dont live in the area but is it possible this colledge offers internet courses?

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    16. Was the playdate Friday? was Justin in Portland Thurs night?

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    17. Stormy, I have to go back to what happens here, the 12 minimum crefits to qualify for assistance as a full time student are residential classes. On-line classes are only assisted for tuition if the 12 residential credits are already being met.

      Anon, Derek claims it was Friday AM. His words were "consider it confirmed"! Justin was on video at 2AM in Portland buying smokes at Cumbys!

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    18. You all really got me thinking. There are so many possibilities, and nobody is talking. Was Ayla really gone around the 8th and Justin went to Portland? Was Ayla ok and Justin was in Portland anyway without her. He missed her Dec 12th appointment. Was that because she was gone or because father of the year was druggin and partying in Portland and staying with Courtney and Briana and their new stash? I think either is possible. But let's go with the latter. Weren't Phoebe and Elisha seen out shopping one day? What day was that? If Ayla was with them and ok, what was going on on Dec 15th or 16th that Justin had to come back to Waterville? Was there going to be nobody to watch Ayla? I imagine he was hungover and cranky on the 16th. Is that when something happened? Or was it just the opportune time because he was alone with Ayla? Did he call his buddy, Derek to help in the cover-up? Dang! I just don't know. I think I'm more inclined to think something happened to Ayla closer to the 8th. I wish we knew what LE does. They must have cell pings and debit card transactions.

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    19. Thanks john! Where I live in northern idaho we can take internet classes with a required stipulation to take 2 regular classes per semester I believe and get assistance. Just checking.

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    20. I have been taking some classes as well with the community college here in VA. I do not qualify for assistance so I asked a few of my friends about the state tuition assistance requirements and I have to correct what I said earlier. Of the 12 required credits, 9 are required residential and 3 can be proctored on-line.

      I say this to further say that I believe Courtney was only a weekend visitor. This is how I believe JD was able to spread himself around with the women.

      But the conversation of this post had me thinking last night. Thanks again VTLady for such a thought provoking post! There is another "coincidence" that has me questioning the date of harm that occured to Ayla. I recall that Trista filed for Parental Rights on the 15th. If so did this news get back to JD that quikly adding to the rage of an allnighter, or did the news travel on Saturday and Ayla was harmed on the 16th, or was the filing by Trista completely a coincidence?

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    21. John, I have thought for sometime, and posted somewhere here, that I felt justin was informed of Trista filing through a rogue DHS employ, court or DHS clerk, or rehab worker..JMO

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    22. There is also the possibility that Phoebe used the state computers at her work to wrongfully (possibly illegally) search the state system for her last name! But one thing is for sure Chicky, the LE Computer Forensic Specialists will find the search, e-mail or IM that informed Phoebe! I personnaly do not think it was Justin who was told directly, but it is one hell of a coincidence if he didn't know!!

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  7. I agree VtLady, I think this is a great post. I emailed you last night asking you if you wanted me to add any pictures but I did not hear back from you in time and I had to publish because we were nearing 200 comments on the GJ post. I think it came out perfectly, even without pictures.

    It is certainly thought-provoking and it goes hand in hand with the GJ post, I, too, do not believe in coincidence. :)

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    1. Thanks, J4A!
      You've still got The Minions squawking over your GJ post---a sure sign that it hit too close to home.
      Last I knew, they were STILL trying to argue their way AROUND "Justin being left out of the procedings" being significant.
      Lol!

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    2. Thank you Tori for coming up with the Guest Post Idea. It is absolutely a great thing. This post and PB's post and all the anon posts have really allowed people to be heard. They have great thoughts and ideas. Excellent concept!

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    3. Well VtLady, they are nothing if not loyal. I am sure they are trying to twist it around to insinuate that the GJ was really convening because they think Trista did it.

      I have a feeling Peter Hyatt also had caught wind of the GJ proceedings and why they were meeting and discussing this case. I also think it is no coincidence that Brianna was arrested for drugs in a home shared by Courtney and she was not charged with anything, even if it was something that ended up being fought in court or even thrown out later, I think Courtney told the GJ EVERYTHING she knows and Justin and his supporters are just now doing damage control

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    4. Yeah J4A, that's sad and pathetic. I *think* that "twist" was already insinuated...

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    5. They can twist it any way they want but I agree with J4A, I think Courtney let alot out at the GJ and as a result, BR was arrested and JD's friends are falling one-by-one until someone speaks against him. IMO, Justin is on borrowed time even as we speak.

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  8. GREAT post VTLady!!

    I've always flip-flopped when trying to determine if Justin premeditated harm to Ayla, or if it was an "accident" and/or rage.

    I do think the LIP was purchased a few days after his "custody grab", as supported by information released from Trista/Jeff. This is cause for major red flags and concern. It does point toward premeditation.

    IF premeditated (and his final harm to Ayla WAS premeditated), AND he did so, with hopes of cashing in on the LIP, then he clearly could not even "do that right". Ayla's body would have to be found AND he would have to be cleared of any wrongdoing. Apparently, the "accident" either did not appear to be an accident, therefore, was forced to hide her body very well, OR something went wrong after hiding her, and she was really supposed to be found by now.

    There is a possibility that even though premeditated, he still "lost his cool", before it was time to carry out his "plan". In this instance, it would probably not have appeared to be an accident, therefore he was forced to hide her well, with hopes of her not being found, therefore, also ditching hopes of cashing in on the LIP.

    Then there is still a possibility that there was a real accident, but needed to be covered up, as all in home would have probably been guilty of at least neglect, among other things. They could have all been drunk/high, etc.

    There is a slim possibilty that the LIP WAS really coincidental.

    I'm sure there are PLENTY of possibilities. I can think of all different possibilities and scenarios, myself.

    I'm leaning toward, that he was probably planning on cashing in on that LIP, but something went wrong, before he really planned. Maybe his plan wasn't even final yet. I think he went into a rage and took it out on Ayla. I think there was no way that anyone would have believed it was an accident, therefore was forced to ditch his LIP pay out, and remove/hide Ayla very well, with hopes of her never being found. I think derek was right there for his BFF to help him in his "time of need". I think courtney is aware of what happened, whether she physically helped with the clean up/cover up, or even if she found out, after the fact. IF this happened DAYS before, then they ALL know, at least, something happened, even if not all the details. There is no way to hide the fact that a toddler is missing, for DAYS. If it happened anywhere from the 14th - 16th, he COULD have possibly hid it. BUT, they would have to know that they hadn't seen Ayla, and at some point realize what did or could have happened.

    Regardless, derek is the one who CONFIRMED a playdate on the 16th. He, at the very least, is in way over his head. I'd love to hear when Elisha, Phoebe, and courtney claim to have seen Ayla last. ALONG with - I too wish someone else would come forward, and confirm the last time they saw Ayla.

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    1. Thanks, Kit!!

      ITA:
      Derek Tudela is in WAY over his head!
      (And, now his Mommy is, too)
      ;)

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    2. I agree Kit that Derrick can not be the sole verifier of the playdate. On A4A, Jim verified that LE has independant verification other than Derrick. He just could not or did not say a date or the verification came from. And we know LE will not release this information directly.

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    3. Kit, ive thought the exact same thing "Apparently, the "accident" either did not appear be an accident, therefore, was forced to hide her body very well, Or something went wrong after hiding her, and she was really supposed to be found by now." I really wonder. I think he was forced to follow through on his "plan" before he was ready. Due to tristas insistance or unknown variables.

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    4. The whole "playdate" jumped out at me right away that doesnt sound like something someone in that age catagory with those interests would say. I have often wondered what the Tudula factor is. What i see is a mother fighting hard to keep her son out of trouble to the benefit of others. I have a hard time believing a mother, wife and business owner would throw it all away to protect a troubled friend of her son, but I do see a mother doing it to protect her own son Laurie

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    5. Absolutely LB! I can see it as well, though I did not raise my sons with that belief, I was told mothers and fathers look at it differently.

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    6. LB, when I first heard about a playdate it sounded unlikely to me. How many men (in their 20's who are fathers) set up playdates for the kids? Doesn't pass the straight face test in my book.

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    7. It doesn't pass the straight face test, that's for sure.

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    8. @LB

      Yeah.
      Derek arranging a "playdate", and showing up with his son SOLO, is beyond hinky.
      Not even because "Dad's don't do that kind of thing"---SOME do!
      But, isn't this the same Dad who reportedly will not even change his sons diapers??
      Was he planning on handing his baby over to Justin to change???
      I doubt it!
      :/

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    9. OMG, where was it stated he didn't change his diaper?? I totally missed that, or completely forgot (idk how I would forget such a thing).

      Ahhhh, yeah, no! If he wouldn't change a diaper, I can not in any way believe there was a playdate. Not that I ever did believe it.

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    10. Kit,
      IIRC, it was either in a FB posting or stated on his wife's blog,
      something to the effect of:
      [Derek] doesn't do diapers b/c they're "Eeewwww!"

      Doesn't exactly inspire much confidence in his "playdate" story...

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    11. You know I stated earlier the meeting was probably not for a playdate but for other reasons not involving the kids, now I am wondering if his son was even there with this new piece of info. I too missed the post where he didn't do his sons diapers and that adds a whole new dynamic to any supposed "playdate".

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    12. Maybe Elisha changed diapers for Derek?

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    13. Does anybody know how old Derek's son is? I thought he was much younger than Ayla and not really "playdate" age. But I could be wrong.

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    14. Yeah. I'm officially over Derek Tudela's "playdate" claim:

      His baby is too young.

      By his own admission he doesn't change diapers.

      AND, most importantly, there isn't ANYONE who isn't directly connected to either the DiP or Tudela households who can verify his claim, one way or the other!

      As far as I'm concerned, Derek's assertion regarding the December 16th "playdate", should be totally IGNORED, and treated as if it was never stated.
      Because, what's the point???

      JMO/MOO

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    15. I agree VTLady. The playdate has been a lie all along. I believe Derreck was there the 16th but not for a playdate, and not with his son! JMO

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  9. Here's another coincidence, Justin and Courtney's online profiles had been scrubbed and their info opted out of people searches. I sure would like to know when they did that! Was it sometime after Dec 8th, closer to the time Justin grabbed Ayla and purchased the LIP, or even before that? Phoebe's and Elisha's didn't seem to be until later, after Ayla was reported missing. To me, that says that Justin and Courtney were anticipating what would happen. I have thought all along that this was a premeditated scheme. Who knew and when is still a bit of a mystery, but my money is on Justin and Courtney. The only think I wonder about in your post VtLady, which was great by the way, is whether Ayla was really gone by Dec 8th. There is still a possibility to me that Justin was just not physically with Ayla during that time. Perhaps he was in Portland or I'm inclined to think he was on a drug run and that's why he was putting Trista off. But anything is possible. I think LE knows though.

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    1. Then only *thing. . .woops.

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    2. Another coincidence from the previous post,

      2 weeks at the tuedelas,
      ED and PD move home but JD stays,
      ED and PD get a defense lawyer JD doesn't
      GJ is held and everyone is seen at the courthouse except JD

      Very interesting!

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    3. I think there is some jealousy with Courtney,after people complained,within minutes she posted a pic of Ayla.Then after a few days she replaced it with A pic of Justin and herself.I found that very strange why would she want to show people that pic of them staring at each other looking happy,instead of posting His missing child? Why? She did replace it with Ayla again within minutes of us complaining.I do not understand if she cares so much for Ayla and isnt involved,why does she only post her pic when the public asks her to? She did the same thing on her Pinterest,she has pics now of Ayla,but had none for months and her friend had 12.Why does she have to be asked?

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    4. Courtney still has a fb page,she had it at the time Ayla was missing and it is still Public,just not under search,you just have to go through a friend of hers to go on it.I dont know if Justin ever had one.

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    5. I agree. I think Justin was spending a lot more time in Portland with jealous Courtney than he was in Waterville with Ayla. If he was planning on getting back on his feet and being a good dad to Ayla in Waterville, then why did he still leave his stuff in the apartment in Portland? It doesn't make sense to me. It's just my opinion, but I bet Courtney really didn't go to Waterville and play mom to Ayla very much, if at all. I think JD went to her and was with her when he claims he was with Ayla.

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    6. Yes, she has a FB page, but it had been sanitized. It was the same with her old Myspace page. . .all spiffed up with a squeaky clean image.

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    7. I'm sure they spent the time between Ayla's demise and night of the staged "abduction" story, cleaning up and removing anything they didn't want found. I'm sure that before Justin made that 911 call the Dips thought they had everything covered. From making sure that Phoebe was not at home (I'm sure Phoebe thinks that absolves her of any wrongdoing), to the sleeping arrangements that made their story more believable because Ayla was reportedly in a room alone. I'm surprised they didn't think of busting the door open so it would look like someone broke in. They knew they had to report her missing eventually, because Trista wasn't letting up. The only thing that happened on the night of the 16th (IMO) is the Dips rehearshing their lies. Sick people.

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  10. Fantastic post VTLady, loved reading it! More! ;)

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  11. Great post Vermont Lady.I think the LIP was to launder drug money.I fear JD found out Trista went to court,and he took out his rage on Ayla.I think Derek is involved in a big way. Mountain Mama

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  12. I always enjoy reading your thoughts, VTlady. I still think that the LIP is about the only thing that is a coincidence. Otherwise, why wouldn't he have left her body somewhere to be found? It's going to be hard to collect on a LIP without a body. He'll never collect on it now anyway.

    I'm also still stuck on his coincidental trip to Portland on the 15th/16th. That's when I think Ayla was gone.

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    1. Maine_iac, You ask "Otherwise, why wouldn't he have left her body somewhere to be found?" I have an opinion in that the LIP was originally insurance and laundering for the grugs. Then he lost control in a fit of rage caused her harm. The act could no longer be considered accidental so he had to hide her where she couldn't be found. Just a thought, not neccessarily what I believe happened though!

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    2. "Otherwise, why wouldn't he have left her body somewhere to be found?"

      JMHO, but I think that this was just ANOTHER part of the "staged abduction" plan that Justin botched!

      It happened to work in his favor though, because, had LE stumbled upon Ayla's remains as originally planned---dressed conspicuously in the bright-green "Daddy's Princess" PJs---he'd be in jail awaiting trial right now.

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    3. What was the case of the little boy in Texas that went missing from a trailer full of adults? I really think they didn't stage a break-in because the plan was to make people think Ayla wandered off somehow. Her things go in the river and when they are found people assume she drowned. It's a stupid plan, but I really think they are cocky and arrogant enough to think that people would believe that. Everything got botched when LE said she didn't wander off on her own.

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    4. I read early on that they were copy catting a missing child case in Texas. As, they had a friend or friends in Texas.

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    5. Now it makes sense, the JSTL blogger is their friend from Killeen TX, he ing them get away with this crime against Ayla IMO

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  13. I believe that JD buying that LIP is absolutly NO coincidence and is the very center of what happened to Ayla and why. There is no way in hell JD would ever bother purchasing a LIP (on anyone)unless he was damn sure he was going to be recieving a payout. He never wanted Ayla born into this world in the first place. He denied fathering her and he didn't want to pay child support or be financially responsible for her, ever! Why would he want to have a LIP on her?...Because he cared? Hardly!...My heart cries out just thinking about the horrible conclusion to what this monster has done. Sad to say but it's ALL about the money! To JD it was like buying into a lottery knowing it was a sure win because he rigged the ticket! He is a coldhearted, evil bastard! Tick tock JD you evil piece of shit! Your time is up.

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    1. Just a stupid question Nannie B, but a thought that has been bugging me is what if the payout was the proceeds from laundering drug money with the policy?

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    2. That may be a possibility too John. But no matter what the LIP money was intended to be used for, there's still only one way JD would get the 30,000. We all know what would have to happen in order for JD to get the payout.
      That realization is what makes my blood run cold.

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    3. Same here Nannie, Same here!

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  14. Seems to me that is all they care about is Money,since they cant stop talking about it.

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  15. Great post VT Lady. I'm now wondering if during the time between the 8th and the 16th, since justin would not let Trista speak to Ayla was because he had sold her, someone else was watching her or she was already gone. This case is so perplexing and it drives me crazy thinking about it. If she did meet her demise at his hands I just don't understand the EVIL. He would have to be the son of SATAN. I don't understand how ANYONE could harm a child or an animal, it is just the unthinkable. My heart breaks every single day for Trista and everyone who loves Ayla. KARMA is a bitch and whoever is responsible for this, accomplices as well will pay the ultimate price as they should. Their freedom will be taken away and that is a huge price to pay especially for a control freak. The perpetrator will no longer be in control, they will be controlled. I can't wait for Justice to be served. It will be a very happy day. That time is coming very soon. Whoever did this, and I do believe it was Justin, enjoy your freedom now because it will be gone very soon

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  16. Perhaps Justin came up with the murder-for-profit scheme after he broke Ayla's arm. Possibly the LIP was purchased around Dec. 8th and backdated to October, to make Justin look less suspicious. He may have asked for Ayla's SSN for many illicit reasons as has been pointed out in earlier comments. This is assuming the arm incident was accidental, and by accidental I mean Justin broke her arm with abuse and lied. No way do I buy the "I fell on her" crap.

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    1. "He may have asked for Ayla's SSN for many illicit reasons..."

      As disturbing as this may be, there are people who put bills (cable, cell, electric, ect.) in their child(ren)s names. Idk HOW they do it, because I assume with their dob showing how young they are and if their credit is checked, it must show their age, no credit, ect. BUT people DO, do it and get away with it, somehow. I wonder if he put any bills in her name? I'm sure LE knows, I'm just wondering out loud, as the thought popped in my head once you mentioned that.

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    2. ITA, Grace!!
      That broken arm may have been intentional (*shudders!*)
      OR, it may have been the "unintentional" result of abusing Ayla...
      But, *NO WAY* do I buy Phoebe & Justina's claim that it was an "innocent accident"!!

      The Broken Arm is yet ANOTHER "coincidence" we can add to the pile...
      I guess the DiPietro family must reside in a "Laws of Probability" black-hole, huh??
      :/

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    3. @Kit,

      How horrible must it be for those kids, when they turn 18 and realize that rather than having the normal problem of "NO credit history", that they actually have BAD CREDIT...
      Because, their own PARENTS have ran their credit score into the ground, by fraudulently using their SS#?

      I mean, you KNOW the type of irresponsible idiot who does this to their own kid, has ALREADY destroyed their OWN credit.
      What are the chances they'll do better using their KIDS' identities???
      People make me sick.

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    4. I know VTLady. It's disgusting!!!

      Also, I'm sorry, I didn't realize someone brought this possibility up in the previous post. I didn't read all the comments before commenting on this one.

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  17. As I have said before, I think that too many things surrounding this case are too coincidental.
    I think the LIP may or may not have been because of a premeditated motive. That could have gone either way. He could of back dated it after a murder or accident or completely planned on murdering her for the money. This isn't whats important.
    I'll rephrase that it's less important if my theory is correct. What is more important was the fact that he was worried and perturbed that someone was going to kidnap her. If he wasn't planning on killing her and she just died from neglect/accident then it would make sense that he capitalize on his current situation. Which is what I believe happened. I also agree with the theory that Ayla went missing closer to December 8th than Dec. 17.
    That is why Trista was getting the run around. I am not sure how I feel about Justin straight up murdering Ayla so he wouldn't have to pay child support. I just don't think he would do it too get out of the next 16 years of child support and the LIP policy. That LIP would go directly back to Trista. It doesn't make sense.
    If she was killed or by accident then I think that they burned the body in the furnace (if that's what u would call it) at Phoebe's work, but more than likely disposed of her body in the Atlantic Ocean.
    Example Natalie Holloway.
    I know in my heart Justin and or Company is guilty, but I don't know to what degree. Did Justin straight up lose his shit while drunk/high and beat a fussy baby to death? Did her death come from neglect directly related from being hung over or passed out? Was murder from Eilisha or Courtney from jealousy?
    Either way someone on Justin's side knows. It was December in the middle of Maine, I don't think the went out in the middle of the night and started digging a hole. The ground would have been frozen. I really believe her body was burned and or thrown in the ocean.
    But maybe I am wrong and this was a kidnapping. But the only person or persons willing to do that would most likely be doing it for ransom.
    Maybe the ransom wasn't for money maybe it was for drugs.
    How was Courtney not arrested in connection with her sister.
    If two people are living together and the police find that much drugs at their house, they both be arrested.
    What the fuck is going on in that state. Pretty much every else would be the same. Everyone legally living there should have been screwed. Something suspicious and coincidental.
    Too many coincidences surrounding this case.

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    1. Nick, I agree that they are both guilty to a certain degree. The "coincidents" lead me to believe Justin inflicted the harm in a rage and Courtney was the "mind" behind the cover-up story!

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    2. I agree with most of your comment as well. There are too many coincidences and lot's of questions.

      One thing though, the ground may have not been frozen. The winter was quite mild, especially the begining of it. That's not to say that I think he burried her. Especially going with VTLady's “Path of Least Resistance” opinion, he quite possibly may be too lazy to dig the hole. I've been thinking of the ocean, almost from the begining. :(

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    3. Kit, now something you said made me think of something! :)

      I recall how quickly Phoebe announced that she had bought the green pajamas Ayla went missing in after Jeff claimed Jessica did. It was said she bought them because when Ayla arrived she didn't have any clothes that fit her, but recently it was said she bought them before Ayla came to live. Could it be they found an old receipt from a purchase for Gabby they are trying to pass off? I doubt the police would have it. I would believe Phoebe bought the pajamas beforehand if they had "planned" to grab Ayla. If Jessica knew Justin was coming she would have packed a bag. If Jessica did buy the pjs, seems it would point to her knowing Justin was coming to get Ayla. If no bag were packed, and Jessica had bought the pjs for Ayla to take for her next "visit" with Justin, hoping Ayla wouldn't come back with more bruises, it makes sense she would grab them and stuff them into a quick diaper bag along with a few of Ayla's clothes. She obviously didn't think Ayla would be gone long as she showed up at the "team meeting" with her attorney. If she felt she would lose, and I will assume that everyone thought Justin would attend (coward), wouldn't she have brought along extra clothes? Pics the Reynolds family and friends have released show a well-dressed Ayla in very fashionable clothes, the kind I buy for my grand-kids. At the meeting it was decided that Ayla would be returned, why did Phoebe think Ayla needed more clothes?

      Iron sharpens iron my friend. This is why these blogs are needed.

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    4. SO true Grace! Great thinking. Absolutely, the receipt could be from something purchased for Gabby. Yes, Ayla was always VERY well dressed while with Trista. And it's true, idk why they would be complaining she didn't have any clothes that fit, when she was only supposed to originally be there for a few days. I sadly don't think they bought Ayla much of anything, but IF she WAS being bought things before she arrived, it could seem strange, seeing that they never bothered with her before. If they were planning on returning her in a few days, I get the feeling they wouldn't have been buying her stuff. Also, just pointing out, that toddlers go through growth spurts. At 20 months old she could have still been wearing 18 month old clothes and/or 24 month old clothes. I highly doubt that Trista didn't have clothes that fit Ayla.

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    5. I left that kind of vague. I highly doubt Trista was using clothes on Ayla, that did not fit her.

      Also in regards to the growth spurt/sizes, Ayla could have currently/at that time, been right on the verge of moving up to the next size. From Oct 17th to Dec 17, she could have def moved up a size.

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    6. Really good point about the clothes!
      And, even if the few clothes packed for Ayla fit her PERFECTLY in late October,
      babies grow...F A S T!

      Why on EARTH would the DiPs be complaining that Ayla "had no clothes that fit her" by December?

      Phoebe "raised" [I use that term lightly] THREE kids of her own, AND is living with a toddler roughly Ayla's age...
      :/
      Surely, anyone who's been around kids would ANTICIPATE the fact that they grow OUT of stuff, yes???

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    7. Definitely normal that her clothes might not fit. I was just telling my husband tonight that we need to buy my son new clothes. He isnt quite 20 months yet but will be in the next week and i think he just went through a growth spurt. He is very skinny but long and his belly is hanging out. Its also so hard to buy him clothes for this reason. Unless we find clothes with an adjustable waistband we have this issue and she looked pretty skinny at his age.

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    8. also i want to point out the difference in sizes from 18/24 months. 24 months is quite a bit bigger as is 2t. 2t is huge and 24 months isnt much smaller. I really need to find her height and weight again.

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    9. Sounds like she could have easily moved up a size. My son is only 24 pounds. So while he isnt a good comparison she could have easily changed sizes. Not to mention his nutritionalist told me he should be hitting a growth spurt very soon.

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    10. I want to add that it was a very warm fall/early winter. In Dec, we had perennial flowers re-blooming. I have a picture of a slug, slugging away in Dec beacuse it was so unusual. A slug in Dec in Maine.

      The hunters were kinda spooked because how warm it was. The insects & other creatures that usually reign in Summer were still up & around.

      I can remember the weekend she went missing it got very COLD all of the sudden. I remember this because @ that point - no one knew what was happening. People were wondering if she wandered off. I can remember it got so cold that weekend if she did wander off - it wasn't gonna be good due to the sudden frigid temps.

      I live an hour away from Waterville and i can say, at least here (an hour away) the ground was still quite pliable and not frozen yet.

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    11. Kids very in size, no matter the age. My 10 mo old fits in 12 month clothes, my 4 yr old still fits in some 3t. If there was another child approx the same age as ayla living in the house some of her clothes should have/ could have fit ayla.

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    12. ITA...my 20 mnth old son is now in 4T clothes. He's a big guy - our future linebacker!

      I do think of Ayla daily and just the other day, while I was trying to get my son ready, I was thinking that Ayla was the same age as him when she went missing. Toddlers are hard, especially if you are not used to their tantrums and emotional outbursts. My son is a very happy go-lucky kid...however, he does have his moments, and goes through changes quite often. (sometimes I have to hide myself from laughing, he reminds me of well, me!) What did my mother say....he's excersing his independence...with everything....to trying to get him dressed, bathed, going to the park and not wanting to hold my hand....etc. There was a point a few mnths back where he was just slapping me in the face everytime I tried to dress him, oh, and I got kicked too! It can be very shocking to say the least, but being his Mommy and used to him going thru changes, I'm patient with him.(I try my best to be, and if I can not be, I then put him in his crib or somewhere safe for a time out for the both of us) However, I can't imagine someone just coming into the situation and trying to handle it like they were with the child from day one. Throw into the mix, being a lot younger than me, drugs and alcohol, and losing a bit of your freedom everyday (for a young person, this can be quite daunting). I just feel strongly that an accident of some sort happened and they screwed up by trying to cover it up with a kidnapping story. Which is very sad, especially for Trista.

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  18. I have wondered if Ayla was injured, again, after the 8th and JD did not want Ayla to cry to mommy on the phone that something was hurting. If she wasn't already "missing" by then. MOO

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    1. Plausible.
      IDK, I guess it depends on how articulate Ayla was for her age...
      If she only had words and not whole sentences, etc.
      Ayla saying "Boo boo hurts" or "ouchie" over the phone, could easily be played off by Justin as meaning "her broken arm", which Trista was already aware of, rather than a NEW injury,
      I would think??

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    2. Idk about other 20 month olds but mine doesnt use many words but has developed quite the temper. Maybe he is just spoiled but he cried for a good 10 minutes tonight wanting bubbles. Maybe it was this behavior alone that was just unbearable? Set off a temper? A hysterical baby can be quite difficult and they dont always conform to your plans. I really hope this wasnt the case. Babies are innocent and beautiful and most definitely difficult. I really hope he didnt hurt this baby. I think of my son and i dont get how someone could do something so awful.

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    3. I have wondered this as well. Since she was able to talk on the phone I assume she could at least speak a little. Ow mommy, daddy hurt, is very plausible at that age and I have noticed girls seem to start using their words sooner than boys.

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  19. Oh Darn I wanted to read everyone before I myself posted. But I have/maybe now had a reservation. so if you want to read my post, i really hope it is readable.

    VTLady it is a great post.
    I do believe all the coincidences including lip means something.
    I have not changed my thinking very much.
    I alway hope I am sooo wrong.
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    I believe the LIP is most likely relevant. Who knows, maybe even owning the LIP was a 'power' or a thrill"? And the premonitions or fear of someone coming to take Ayla, OMG! Can even Phoebe reasonably explain that away??? I am leaning toward the 14th or 15th. Derek's the 16th playdate is significant. Trista filing on the 15th is significant. The trip to Portland and clearing out apartment is significant.

    I see JD as a typical, ignorant weak selfish abuser. A weak person who takes advantage of those more vulnerable. And I am afraid there was no one to effectively 'buffer' and help protect Ayla. So Ayla may have been completely at his mercy? I believe there was evidence of abuse on Alay's body and maybe evidence of abuse showing up in her behavior and demeanor too. (He/they (they - whoever else knew or was also involved) had to keep a doctor and Trista from seeing Ayla.) Possibly the abuse evidence could be hid with a accidental death if done right and oh yes 'I have that policy to collect on!' (Or the same if LIP was bought with the intention of collecting on it all along. May I ask everyone, if buying a LIP on your daughter you barely know is such an upstanding thing to do for her, why hide it from the mom? Why not be proud instead of secretive about it? Lets face it, there was something wrong with Justin buying that life insurance policy one way or the other!) Possibly when done the 'accident' did not look like an accident or did not cover previous physical abuse evidence, such as why maybe her arm was broke again. Or even a spontaneous violent event happened prior to the possibly planned 'accident' so again, it may not have looked like a accident. Justin may have had to permanently or temporarily hide Ayla for a while.

    I do think Justin was under great pressure as days went by. Justin had to deal with Courtney's demands and jealousy of both Trista and Ayla each. And Justin was going to have to eventually explain to someone why he was no longer taking Ayla for her medical check ups and broken arm issue. And on top of all of this, Justin of course needed to be able to keep a mom away from her baby and how long can anyone keep doing that. And I do believe Justin knew he would soon be answering to a Judge about custody. And I would not be surprised if he used drugs and alcohol to make what he did, 'easier' for him or on him'.

    Could the stonewalling Trista talking to Ayla was because Ayla was crying from depression or pain? Trista would have known for sure something was wrong and maybe just showed up or called the police???
    my own thoughts and opinions. I truly hope I am wrong!

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    1. MsP, an excellent post and your question is a very good question. If the stonewalling was because of Aylas temperment at the time, it also narrows down the time when the harm was imposed on Ayla, and if added to the allnight party in Portland and lack of sleep on the next day could have easily added to the rage I believe JD had when he harmed Ayla. JMO And yes, I too hope we are ALL wrong and Ayla is brought home soon!

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    2. Thank You John I appreciate your comment. And I had really wanted to include your previous comment above that said what you say here. I kept looking for where you explained this all above, but I was frazzled and missed it. But, what you said is significant to my opinion too. Thank you for saying it again here!

      John P!May 27, 2012 5:15 PM
      "...Again there are too many related elements for it to be simply coincidence. For these reasons I believe it was the 15th when he got back from Portland and was so irritable from lack of sleep and possible drug use.

      Simply put I think she was a victim of ongoing physical as well as emotional and psychological abuse and disregard. Something happened bad enough she got 'really hurt' and he wanted to hide it because he did not want to take any responsibility or blamed Ayla and Trista.

      I believe he just as likely planned 'it' all along, out of anger and selfishness.

      Early on I thought someone said that JD sometimes lived on the street or was homeless. If true I don't know exactly how that plays into Justin's psychology, but, I wondered what it meant if he would rather be on the streets then stay with is mom?

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    3. John thank you for your service and thank you to your family too!

      I would like to thank all military and their families for their sacrifices for all of us.

      sincerely ms.peridot19

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    4. MsP, Thank you for recognizing my family and I! It is still so very heart warming when thanked for my service and I feel the pride in my family members serving each time I thank them. I will pass your thanks on to them as well and I know they will feel proud and humble in knowing thier service is so appreciated!

      Having calmed the goosebumps I got from your thank yous, I wanted to say that your post about Justin living on the streets was something I had missed. I wish I had fb back then. From what I hear alot was first learned on fb. I think your assessment is so very right! Anyways, I believe the LIP shows he planned the harm to Ayla, but then his failed attempts caused a problem. With Trista filing on the 15th and allnight parties and possible drugs and alcohol, I think his rage screwed up his previous plans and then he had to improvise and hide Ayla so she could not be found. I hate saying all this on this day but it is JMO!

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  20. Great article Vermont Lady.
    I'm in the total premeditation psychopath camp.
    There are six sealed indictments currently in play.

    Experiment
    Try viewing everything different, Justin & Trista are both forty years old with a 20 year old retarded son named Allen cared for by an aunt Jessica. Justin has seen Allen five times in 20 years and absconds with him through decoys (public official breaking laws - fake custody orders) subterfuge (maneuvering Trista into rehab)and forgery (Public official lies to law enforcement officer about custody situation.)

    To many details and preset images of roles cloud the model.
    Strip away the emotional hot buttons and Portland is kidnapping.

    My point is Portland was a straight up kidnapping by Justin Phoebe and Karen Small acting as a public official in violation of her office. Through decoys and subterfuge and lawbreaking young handicapped Allen is
    removed from his lawful custody home while in his aunts care.

    Those six sealed indictments better be for the Portland kidnapping.

    I totally agree with the process of the article and the honing comments but my mind is clouded by those six sealed indictments. The federal statutes for kidnapping seemed pretty clear and a death penalty prosecution the obvious outcome to the Portland "KIDNAPPING"

    All of war is based on deception. Sun Tzu

    The reason I feel clouded towards modeling in general is if those six sealed indictments are not for the PORTLAND KIDNAPPING it changes the outcome sets and possibilities. All of my models involve total premeditation by a disconnected from reality sociopath who committed numerous crimes the last crime the most heinous and difficult to understand as the staging of a fake kidnapping and alerting the entire
    United States and subsequently planet EARTH to his fictional scenario.

    A grotesque fiction maintained right to this moment.

    So I must wait until the indictments play out.
    A federal death penalty could force a plea and recitation of fact.

    This case is so egregious. I think the FBI and Federal Prosecutors see in this egregious situation the possibility of sorting out a process which is currently making it profitable for parents to make up wild unbelievable stories. I feel it in my bones things are about to change drastically and of course I hope it breaks into a certain preferred set of outcomes.

    I want Justin to roll the dice.
    I want him to confess or risk the death chamber.
    I need a federal prosecution of the Portland Kidnapping as a straight forward death penalty case.

    Great article VTLady and honing comments by all.
    My response is to the spirit of the article "No Coincidences"
    I'm not buying into their evil now or 10,000 or 10 million years from now.

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    1. Winds of Change, what you say with this comment is thought provoking. I too would relish in a federal indictment against JD where he could then face the death penalty unless he were to speak about everything he knows and has done.

      The six sealed indictments could included Karen, Phoebe and Justin for the kidnapping in LEWISTON, but what are the other three? BTW Jessica was living in Lewiston at the time IIRC!

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  21. Where is the info about 6 sealed indictments coming from?

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  22. My guess is the 6 sealed indictments are Phoebe, Karen Small, Derek Tudela, Courtney Roberts, Lance Dipietro, and of course, Justin Dipietro.

    I believe Phoebe orchestrated the taking of Ayla, she is up Shit's Creek. I believe Karen used her job to implement Phoebe's plan. Obviously Justin went there and grabbed her. Justin could be charged with a federal crime and the murder could be linked to the kidnapping making him a highly qualified candidate for the Chamber. We can only pray he is thrown out into gen-pop before they put him on death row. Maybe HT can send him a needle, thread, spackle, and ky..he will need it.

    I believe Derek helped Justin with covering up whatever happened to Ayla and his inconsistent statements are that of a liar. I also believe he and his mother are not speaking. I believe wholeheartedly that Derek knows EXACTLY where Ayla is and may have even moved her from the original spot while all eyes were on Justin and 29 Violett. I believe LE has plenty of cell-phone pinging from Justin to Derek on or about the day Ayla went missing. I would guess they were very latenight/early morning calls. About a week ago Derek commented over at the lying whore's blog that "If she said that, she was mistaken" in relation to the time Derek was at 29 Violett for the fictitious..err..sorry, "ALLEGED" playdate. Why would Derek just not call her and ask her himself? You would think that they would have their stories straight by now. I believe HT knows Justin is responsible for Ayla's demise and knows her son is deeply involved which explains her proactiveness since day one. She has been pretty quiet for a long time. She should probably think about saving her business, reputation, and marriage and let her son pay for his crimes, if he has committed any. Lance knows what happened and I believe he knows where Ayla is. I am not sure how much he actively participated but suffice it to say he is definitely going to be charged with something.

    I believe Elisha, Courtney, Phoebe, and Lance are cooperating with authorities but it is my opinion based on their closeness, the LIP, and the "play date" excuse for being there, that only Justin and Derek know exactly where Ayla is and Justin will never tell.

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    1. Anon 12:50, I like your reasoning but why would you not include Elisha in the indictment list? That is the one difference I would go with if the indictments are related. I would remove Lance and include Elisha. Though I do not like saying this, he is the only DiPietro who has shown any signs of caring for Ayla. JMO

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    2. I feel Elisha, being a single mother with an exemplary record to date would be the most likely to receive full immunity for information regarding Ayla's disappearance and pattern of abuse. I believe she may have not liked Ayla drawing attention from her daughter but do not get the feeling she helped or had anything to do with hurting Ayla.


      Lance is a bully and has had plenty of time to speak up. HE told Tim Crews to STOP LOOKING FOR AYLA! I believe Lance knows what happened and he was cooerced into helping by Justin with threats of their other questionable activities being exposed. I think he reluctantly helped but is not completely on the inner-circle occupied by the killer and his BFF.

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    3. I still like your reasoning, I think I differ because of strictly what happened to Ayla. I do not feel Elisha could have been in that house without knowing, having Gabby in bed with her without knowing, seen the clean-up going on without knowing. Too many coincidences. Lance at least in my opinion did not know until after all was done. He is guilty in the cover-up but in my eyes the least culpable. If I look outside what happened to Ayla, I agree Lance is everything you say, but I also remember Justin L saying they "used pills and drugs to get the babies to sleep". I consider thatt ALOT worse then Lance kicking Justin L in the face!!!

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    4. I had a terrible thought that if Ayla were unconscious and bleeding and very badly wounded, would someone possibly purposely feed her oxi to stop her suffering subsequently raising her blood pressure and causing blood to flow more freely necessitating a move to the shed?

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    5. Anon 5:11 From my research, it is sometimes believed that an addicts euphoria can sometimes be projected to others! In other words what the addict feels is what the non-addict will feel if given the same drug. Hope that makes sense but your comment is possible given the right circumstances.

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  23. Back to the question of whether the 6 sealed indictments are pure speculation or does someone have actual info they exist?

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    1. I am still trying to find the original post about these. It was an article posted by an anon say 16 indictments were processed with only 10 having been arrested.

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    2. This was posted on the post concerning the GJ Conveening.

      "AnonymousMay 26, 2012 7:06 PM
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      And it's important to note that the recent drug arrests were federal indictments out of federal district court in Bangor. 16 indictments and only 10 arrests. I've been watching those dockets and there are some change of pleas coming up on the 29th for some of them. Makes me wonder."

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  24. I haven't seen any evidence the police are willing to or in the process of investigation DHS. The feds should be called in to do that. Anyone involved in misusing that agency's records or power to help Justin take Ayla should be charged. More importantly safeguards should be put in place to ensure it never happens again.

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    1. Curious, the original post says the indictments were from a federal court. I will do more research after my family leaves, just very busy right now!

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    2. Curious & Anon, the articles below talk about the 10 arrests and 16 indictments that were handed down in the federal courts in Bangor. Could they be related, possibly since so many of the ones arrested were living in Waterville.

      http://bangordailynews.com/2012/05/22/news/bangor/10-arrested-in-cocaine-oxycodone-distribution-ring-to-appear-in-court/

      http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/ten-arrested-on-drug_2012-05-22.html?pageType=mobile&id=1

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  25. "The arrests stemmed from a multi-agency investigation, which resulted in 16 indictments last week by a federal grand jury in U.S. District Court for the District of Maine in Bangor on May 17 and sealed until Tuesday's arrests . . .Some of the documents filed in the case still bear a "secret" stamp. Six names are blacked out on the indictment, meaning that authorities are searching for more people who were also indicted on similar drug conspiracy charges."

    http://www.kjonline.com/news/10-capture-6-hunted_2012-05-22.html

    According to this the indictments are for drug conspiracy charges, not kidnapping. I still think it's related though. Eight of those 10 arrested were from Waterville. So who could be the 6 they are holding off on? Justin, Courtney, Derek,. . .idk Lance, Phoebe, Elisha? Or maybe somebody else we haven't heard of yet.

    I think often times arrests for other crimes are used to get people to talk in bigger crimes. I really hope this is what this is. Federal drug conspiracy charges can carry 5-40 yrs according to that article. I think that would get somebody that isn't as culpable in Ayla's disappearance to start talking.

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    1. I have to wonder if one of the W5 rolled and gave up some of the drug users and dealers in the area. Just a thought but it could have been interesting to see how so many from one area got nabbed at the same time.

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    2. That's possible, John. I also think it's possible that it's something LE just uncovered by investigating JD. I'm sure they have had him under heavy surveillance since Ayla went missing. It wouldn't be unheard of for them to have tracking on his car and a wiretap on his phone.

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    3. Really there are so many possiblities. But I would have to say your possibility gave me a chuckle. I read it and thought, we all know that LE was watching him, I wonder if he realized it? LOL

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    4. You'd think he would be able to figure that out, no? But he seems to think he is smarter than LE, so probably not. LOL

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  26. Thanks for the research John P. For those of us who aren't locals, I bet those indictments could be for people we've never heard of even if they have some relationship to the Ayla Reynolds case.

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    1. That's a maybe, FC, but I have to wonder why those 6 weren't also brought in when the other 10 were.

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    2. I am wondering the same thing Curious. Of the first 10 I have heard of three connections to the W5 just from fb connections. Who knows how many others there are? And BTW, I am originally from Lewiston but have not lived there for 31 years. I visit as often as I can but I guess I am still a local only by birth.

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    3. The news story mentioned outside ME. Could be jurisdictional izsues, finding the big distributors or other things of that ilk. If one were JD I can only think prosecutors would be all too happy to have him in jail.

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  27. I just want to say:
    I'm loving the exchange of ideas on this thread!!

    This is what I love about the J4A forum...
    interesting dialogue between people able to keep the "larger context" in mind, while discussing the smaller details!
    :)

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    1. It is a credit to the post itself VTLady! You have given many alot to think about, myself included. Thank you!

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  28. A little off topic but are there any blogs or web sites about attempted snatch and grabs? Like a place to post descriptions of suspicious people before ant thing happens. Right before dark my 4 yr old little girl decided she wants to live with people that will let her tell lies. She went out the front door and as I was watching out the window to see how far shed push it. A gold mini van was slowly driving by then backed up and stopped. I came out the door and the guy started explaining himself saying he was just making sure she wasnt by herself then drove off. As it was not dark and my daughter was IN the yard, I find this creepy! I did not sleep well last night and spoke with an officer today but he says theres been no reports of something like this in our tiny little town.

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    1. This is a scarey situation Stormy! I would definately follow-up with LE and make sure they create a repost of the vehicle description at least so if god frbid it happens again, there will be reports that LE can follow-up on!

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    2. I most definatly gave the officer a description and he took notes. I also warned my neighbors and wrote on fb about it. He could have been just a nice concerned citizen, I would rather be safe than sorry though.

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    3. You absolutely did the right think Stormy. As you say, "better safe than sorry"!

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    4. That *IS* creepy, Stormy!
      D:
      I'd keep an extra-vigilant eye on the people around you and your daughter, when you're out in public, for awhile...
      JUST in case.

      What did your daughter say about what happened? Did it freak her out, too... or, did she not pick up any "stranger danger" vibes??
      :/

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  29. I can't help but wonder something. If it is true they used to dose the kids to make them sleep, ect. And with Ayla having a broken arm which would be painful.. is it possible they may have over-dosed her on accident then covered it up. OR If she was high on oxy or something, she may have staggered into the baby gate and stumbled down the stairs, and busted her head open (head wounds do tend to bleed a lot), that actually could explain quite a bit. If she sustained a head injury and was allowed to fall asleep either dosed or on her own, she could have died that way too.

    I hate to imply that Ayla is dead, but it sure doesn't look good right now :( My hope is that she is OK and will be found safe and alive, but the evidence she is dead just keep piling up :(

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    1. I had read that too, that they used drugs to get the kids to sleep...why not run them outside. Get them to burn that extra energy that they have. I can't believe that people do that, give their kids drugs, benedryl, etc., to get them to sleep. I barely give my kid tylonol, not even the full dose...when he needs it and he's never been on antibiotics either. Ridiculous!

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  30. This is just a side note and does not bear direct relavance on the case but is more or less a reply to the poster who was talking about sanitizing the facebook pages. Information that is placed into facebook or any of the online social sites does not just disappear when it is deleted. Many times the account and information associated with it is placed into a holding container for months before being completely removed from the system. Even then the information can still be recovered from backup media for an extended time based on the backup policy of the particular company. Ask any CEH how easy it is to actually obtain information from supposedly secure sites. I'm sure LE got a warrant and has that so called sanitized information.

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