Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Guest Submission: Theories On Homicide {By Chicky}

Social:  Social theories on homicide propose that environment is responsible for the propensity to kill, including that crime is learned through association with deviant peers.  Others theorize that the gap between desires for a better lifestyle and lack of legitimate means to fulfill them creates strain that fuels crime. 

Psychological: Homicide as a result of a  psychological dysfunction. 

Personality or "Cheater Theory":   Whereby one male is law abiding and loyal, another male, "the cheater", are argued to adopt a criminal lifestyle not excluding murder in the context of social exchange to obtain resources and short term, "mating" relationships. David Rowe's Alternative Adaption Theory points out that criminals typically devote more effort to mating than they do to parenting and that  criminality is a strategy that can only thrive when there are others to exploit. 

Homicidal Adaption theory: Homicide rather than a non-lethal solution to conflict because a dead competitor cannot inflict costs or influence the environment of the killer in the future.

Question~  Would a set of social problems and circumstances create sufficient pressure for an individual to opt for homicide as a solution when the cost of committing murder outweighs the benefits? 

After the fact~  Panic is the primary emotion with desperation and fear, panics closest companions. Fear of ending up in prison for the rest of one's life, desperation to prevent this consequence, and panic as one tries to get rid of evidence in a short period of time.

Unpremeditated crime leaves little time to think, cover up, and get rid of  evidence with an added problem if the victim is connected to them. So, the perpetrator needs to get rid of the body and evidence, stage an abduction, report the person missing and have an established alibi, which can be difficult without involving family or friends.

It is common to attempt to hide the body extremely well or to destroy the body entirely to avoid any autopsy linking evidence back to the killer. Serial killers and sex predators tend to dump the body like garbage without the fear of evidence being connected to them; a stranger, with  no familiar connections, thus a body is more likely found. 

So, when a body is NOT found that was reported missing out of a home, it is then that the people who were present at the same location as the victim at the time of the disappearance are strongly looked at. The children's bodies that are not found fairly quickly, those that remain missing, often are cases in which abduction is NOT proven and the parent or parents are persons of interest.

114 comments:

  1. "Homicidal Adaption theory: Homicide rather than a non-lethal solution to conflict because a dead competitor
    --->cannot inflict costs or influence the environment of the killer in the future<----."

    B I N G O!!
    And, nearly EQUALLY applicable to COURTNEY as it would be to JUSTIN,
    as having AYLA "around" for the next 16 years would mean having TRISTA "around" her "stud" for the next 16 years...
    posing a competitional threat to the "perfect little family" Courtney had envisioned for Ayden, herself and DiPshit.
    What jealous woman would want to have a prettier girl than herself (who ALSO shares a BEAUTIFUL child with him!) texting "her man" 7x a day??
    Certainly not Courtney, IMO!

    JMHO/MOO

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    1. So true, VTLady, Courtney has every reason to roll on Justin. The only reason she wouldn't is because she was the planner while Justin was the doer! He has an affair with two other women, has at least two children and then cheats again with the mother of his oldest child. All within the 3 years when AH says she has been with him for over 5 years. There is no other reason for her to remain silent!

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    2. John, as much as I hate the DipShit, I don't really think AH said he and Courtney had been together 5 years. I've pointed this out before. AH said they were in a "long term relationship" and that they met while he'd been living for the past 5 years in Portland. Another poster pointed out she was out of state going to school for much of the past 5 years. Remember that Justin lived across the street from Courtney's mom. It would make sense that they'd met. I don't believe they've been together for that long or that AH claimed they had.

      I point this out for the integrity of this blog and that you are a regular poster people look to for facts. Please re-read AH's story and see if you still believe that 5 year relationship to be what she stated.

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    3. Here John, copied from Peter's site's cut and paste of AH's original "story".

      "Justin does have a long time girlfriend who also has a young child. Things had been going well for them and they truly were very happy. Justin's girlfriend from Portland, and her son were up for a visit which was normal on the weekends. They'd met during his 5 years in Portland where he lived with other single friends in an apartment."

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    4. Anon 9:29, If I can find the post I will reread. She deleted it before I could reread it back then. I do not doubt your accuracy or the wording of what you recall AH saying. I do recall that she was out of state for school and obviously they have been apart for several periods of time in whatever constitutes this "long term" relationship since she also has a child with another man. I appreciate your correction and if you have a link I will reread. I stand behind the statement however that she only has one reason to not roll on Justin, she is just as involved in Aylas disappearance as Justin.

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    5. Long term for Justin is whomever can stay un-pregnant the longest. Once she is knocked up it is adios, until she comes knocking for child support.

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    6. Anon- I think that you are correct. I have tried to piece the timeline together, and the longest that I can see that Courtney was WITH Justin was 5-6 months- is that really a "long-term" relationship in their eyes? lol... I have to agree with John P, Courtney has to be involved more than just the cover up. I was with a guy for 3 years and when he messed up and broke the law I did not cover for him. The relationship ended right then and there. It makes me wonder what type of person Courtney is that she can be with someone like that and want a career in law enforcement??? WTH??? ... and, Grace- ITA with your comment! lol

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    7. I think the AUTHOR of "Ayla's story", INTENTIONALLY worded the passage you C&P'd to leave a FALSE IMPRESSION with the audience, that Courtney and Justin had been together for "5 years"!!

      Intentionally misleading = LYING
      to most (HONEST) people!

      What constitutes the label "long-term relationship" is a subjective thing...

      For instance:
      To a man-slut like JUSTIN, anything other than an anymous hook-up or "one night stand", could very well constitute a long-term relationship!

      Whereas to a normal person, "long term" would be a committed, monogymous relationship, over one year in duration!!

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    8. Anon, thank you for finding the quote. I did misrepresent with my recollection. The term long term to me is longer than what would be implied by PB's timeline. I too agree with VTLady in that this passage was intentionally worded to mislead, which it did for me. Thank you for correcting my recollection.

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    9. Important word Theory.

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    10. How old is Justin, exactly? I thought I read 24. When did he move to Portland? How was he supporting himself? Did he live in that same apartment for 5 years (2006 - 2011)?

      How long exactly have Justin and courtney been a "couple", in their long term relationship? Reading the copied post, I see where the "long term relationship" was confused for a "5 year relationship". I also thought they were in a "relationship" for 5 years. I see now where the confusion came from.

      Regardless... The claim of a long term relationship is ridiculous. courtney has a toddler. Justin has (at least) two toddlers. Maybe they are in a very casual relationship - where it's ok to sleep with all different people and have children with all different people.

      HaHa PB! 5-6 months! Ummmm, wasn't he having an "affair" with Trista for much of that time??

      I can def. see why Justins very own BFF could only muster up the "half decent guy" "compliment"!!

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    11. VTLady, LOL! Man-slut...

      If the shoe fits!

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    12. Good point Kit- If we start the "long term" count at the time that he stopped sleeping with Trista- that would be October... ohh wait- there was a claim from another girl since he has been back in Waterville.... Maybe it would be better to say 5-6 days.. lol

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    13. ... Man-slut..lol.. My thoughts.. STD's whore. Maybe that is what Courtney meant to type, but typo'd in the "U" and it looked like she said "Stud" .. lol

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    14. Add in the fact that there are rumors Justin slept with, er, uh, "others" as well. I think I am going to be sick. I hope everyone he infected gets tested.

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    15. HaHa LOL PB!

      And yes, seriously, that is true Grace, they should all get tested.

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    16. For Justin, long term would be if he is still there in the morning after he has sex with you. I cannot see what Courtney even sees in such a loser as Justin. He is obviously a pathelogical liar and for some quirky reason, woman believe his lies. go figure.

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    17. The people that sleep with Justin are also sleeping with everyone he slept with. Disgusting, isn't it Courtney?

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  2. Thanks Chicky! I found this very informative!

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  3. I don't think that Justin is a thinker or a planner.
    He got more than what he bargained for when he took the opportunity to become more of a Dad to Ayla. He just thought of the upside, no more child support, maybe full custody and State benefits for being a sob sob single Dad, tax benefits, no more Trista to deal with.
    Children that age demand your full attention when they are awake.
    As the caregiver / parent you have to be there to respond to their basis needs / demands for food, water, milk, juice, etc diaper changes. Eats into your ME time. Even if you have your sister and mother and Courtney helping out.
    Somehow,Justin doesn't seem like a motivated person to do the no gratitude task of dealing with a child that age.

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    1. In cases of paternal filicide fathers are more likely to use methods such as striking,
      squeezing, or stabbing, and they are also more likely than women to use weapons
      (Palermo, 2002; Pitt & Bale, 1995).

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    2. There's relatively limited research on men who kill their children. What we do know about the behavior is that broadly, these men tend to fall into one of two categories: One, fathers with a serious mental illness such as depression or psychosis who are led by their illnesses. A severely depressed father may believe that he's a poor provider, condemning his children to a life of poverty and unhappiness, so he feels like the killing is an altruistic act to save them from a miserable life. And it is very likely that the father will commit suicide after he kills his kids. One thing you can say about the Luong case is that he should be watched very carefully for suicidal impulses. Psychosis, such as schizophrenia, psychotic depression or a bipolar psychotic disorder, can lead to the delusion that he has been ordered by God to kill his children. So in a psychotic way, the father is still doing this for the sake of their children.

      The second group is associated with the physical abuse of children. Those tend to be situations where the father loses it. There's typically a pattern of previous abuse, and this one time it goes too far, perhaps farther than the father intended.

      2nd group!!!!!

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    3. I have seen this second group up close and personal. These are the most common types of father killers. What you don't know is that step-father's and boyfriends are much more likely to kill a child from abuse. Step-mothers and girlfriends are more likely to kill from abuse as well.

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    4. I didn't mean personally "you dont know". I intended to write "what you didn't say or" and my keyboard deleted the first part. I have trouble with laptops, my hands are sometimes not steady. I apologize and hope I didn't sound rude.

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    5. Graaaaace.... They keyboard deleted it? All by itself? LOL, just kidding!

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    6. Yes! I swear it does that! My kids say its because I drag my wrist across the touch pad. I can turn the touch pad off, but then I just need to turn it back on again to scroll, and it becomes a huge pain.

      That's my story and I'm sticking with it!

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    7. "Somehow,Justin doesn't seem like a motivated person to do the no gratitude task of dealing with a child that age."

      And that is probably the reason that Ayla is no where to be found.

      Justin, WHERE did you put Ayla?

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    8. Ruby, I don't put Justin in any "father" category. Someone telling you that you have a child does not make you a father. He did not have Ayla long enough to develop any kind of bond. Ayla was no different to Justin then if DHHS had dumped some strangers kid at his house. So, whatever a father would do, doesn't apply here. You have to investigate what a stranger would do when they suddenly find themselves caring for anothers child. There was no emotional bond between Ayla and Justin. I do not even believe that Justin wanted Ayla at all. I believe it was Phoebe who PUSHED to get Ayla (because of the child support payments and opportunities for Justin to get state assistance as a single father). It had nothing to do with love or caring about Ayla and everything to do with finances of the family. DHHS should be ashamed of themselves.

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  4. Great post, Chicky!

    You ask "Question~ Would a set of social problems and circumstances create sufficient pressure for an individual to opt for homicide as a solution when the cost of committing murder outweighs the benefits?"

    My answer is when you include drugs in the equation, the pros and cons do matter!!

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    1. Thank you John! Even without drugs the pressure of continued child support with Tristas plans to gain back her parental rights and ultimately have her back in her custody could be sufficient pressure, along with lack of total control of the situation, to desire a permanant fix.
      The drugs can fit in financially but moreso, maybe a dysfunctional psychological state.
      Culmination of these issues and irrational conclusions on ones part leads down a dangerous path.
      On a side note I do believe that justin was clued in to the fact that Trista had filed papers with the court for parental rights befor there had been sufficient time for the legal system to inform him and this could have been the final straw in that he knew Ayla would be returned to Trista and child support would continue.

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    2. I think the financial pressure was what drove Justin to take Ayla, but I think he couldn't return her because he abused her. I think the reason he didn't let Ayla talk to her mother (besides the fact she wasn't with Justin most of the time) is because he didn't want Ayla crying or saying anything about "boo-boos" or "owies". I don't know how much Ayla could talk, my kids all talked differently at that age, some alot, some not much.

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    3. I agree Grace. I also think it was very upsetting for Ayla when she did speak to and see Trista. I think she probably missed her Mommy a lot, and probably cried, missing her, and Justin did not know how to deal with that, nor did he want to.

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    4. And of course, he didn't want Trista telling him what to do!!!!

      Like "May I please speak with Ayla?" was such a demand on him, know what I mean? The nerve of that mother, really!

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    5. I know! So demanding! What a pest!

      If she never called or bothered with Ayla (like HIM), that would be strange. Plus he would be using that against her now.

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    6. I agree, Grace. My daughter is one month younger than Ayla, and around December, she was already able to explain when she had a booboo and give cues about 'life' to the extent we understood. Trista, above anyone else in Ayla's life, would have understood anything Ayla had to say had she spoken to her daughter on the phone...my opinion in that regard.

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  5. Exactly. And to go further than your last statement of an abduction NOT being proven in cases of missing children that are not found, here we have a case where an abduction has been RULED OUT. Not simply not proven, but ruled out - it did not happen.

    LE says: There was no abduction. Ayla was a victim of foul play. The three that were there are not telling everything they know. Justin says he "smoked" the poly, Elisha says she "did fine". Neither say they passed. Courtney says nothing though you'd assume she'd be as comfortable saying she passed the poly as she was saying her boyfriend is a stud.

    One thing I've thought about with this case is the idea there is perhaps a 'Yankee mentality" at play in what LE and the media will say (or really not say). It's a mentality that says don't get involved in other people's business, no need to offend if you don't know 110% for sure. To each his own. That type of thing. No doubt LE wants to solve this case, but they don't want to create a shitstorm by saying what they know. Screw that I say, this case needs a public shitstorm to come out.

    Remember when the firefighter from FL went missing in Maine and it turned out he was a murder victim in a drug money dispute gone bad? The FL media was all over that, investigating and publishing things in a way we'd never see from Maine media. I feel as though the MSP may be taking that same tack in their statements as the local media are - which is basically say as little as possible for fear of offending someone.

    It's okay with me that MSP keeps some things close to the vest but by releasing so little they seem to be restraining the media as well. The media could certainly expose more if they weren't such cowards.

    At this point I want a public shitstorm. I want the media to publish everything they've investigated and learned but not reported. I want the MSP to say more about their REAL theory and the evidence they have that leads them to that. I want whoever from the AG's office is handling this case to make a statement about their plans to go to a grand jury or what is preventing them from doing that.

    And damn, if I am this frustrated, I can just imagine how beyond frustrated Trista is.

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    1. Anon, I feel your pain and share your frustration. I want the same things....

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    2. I totally agree, Anon. However, in FL the laws are much different regarding the publishing of evidence through media outlets. They have a full disclosure policy, so to speak, whereas Maine I think are completely different. I'm not positive on Maine, but I do know Florida as it is my home-state.

      Fully agree with you on all of it, though. My heart breaks for Trista on a daily basis.

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  6. LE has never said that abduction has been "ruled out". They have said they have grave doubts it could have occurred.

    Also, LE does not determine the facts. They have theories that they bring to the D.A., who then presents the info to a jury. Only a jury can determine what the facts are.

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    1. You need to do some serious research, or go back to high school, but for gosh sake's don't quit your day job!!!!

      LE searches for facts. The facts help form the theories.

      Can you imagine LE going before the grand jury and saying something like...

      "We think something happened to Ayla Reynolds. We think there may have been blood on the floor of Justin DiPietro's bedroom. It tested postive as Ayla's blood BUT THIS IS NOT A FACT, IT IS A THEORY. Tell us, oh wise jury, if the blood tested positively that it was Ayla's blood, is that now a fact?"

      Please, please, please. Read your comments before you hit publish. This is just ridiculous. I am not one to bash anon's just for being stupid, but this is just deliberate drivel intended to arouse ire in readers. Grow up.

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    2. The FACTS only truly come from those who know the truth and TELL the truth. Other than that the facts and truth are determined by the evidence which is presented and that may not be all conclusive unfortunately and possibly detrimental to Justice for Ayla. LE holds far more eveidence than what any of us are aware of and hopefull that leads to the TRUTH.

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    3. No matter how you slice it, evidence is fact. The fact may point to one theory or another, but it is still a fact.

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    4. AND... The turth will set Ayla free.

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    5. evidence IS the facts and LE said that THERE IS NO EVIFENCE OF A KIDNAPPING.. Not, "I do not think there is no evidence of a kidnapping."

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    6. "Abduction is no longer a part of this investigation. We have grave doubts that an abduction took place and there is no evidence to support it," Stephen McCausland, spokesman for Maine Department of Public Safety, told Newscenter 5.

      "We are focused on what happened to her in that house. There are three people in the house that have not been truthful. Their story does not pass the smell test," he said.

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      ABDUCTION IS **NO LONGER** A PART OF THIS INVESTIGATION

      WE ARE FOCUSED ON WHAT HAPPENED TO HER **IN THAT HOUSE**

      Problem copying link - search "hope fades for missing maine toddler".

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    7. That seems pretty plain to me!

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    8. Trista did not ABDUCT, KIDNAP and/or TAKE, Ayla!

      NO ONE took Ayla from 29 Violette Ave.

      Justin "took" her from Jessica. That's why Phoebe and Elisha keep saying someone "took her". Parallel lying.

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    9. Do you think maybe they have grave doubts not only because they didnt find any evidence but also because of the amount of blood in the house? I cant see LE saying they dont think there was a kidnapping and they are not telling the truth because of 4 tiny dots of blood,I dont believe it.

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    10. EXACTLY Anon12:00! LE NEVER said "4 drops of blood"! They said " more than a small cut would produce" which is why I think they are keeping the exact amount of blood "close to the chest"! They most likely know that there was enough blood found with luminol, to believe ( beyond a reasonable doubt) that whoever shed such a large amount, would not have survived w/o medical attention!

      It was Heidi Tudela or Angela Harry who said the only saw 4 pen- sized drops ( w/o luminol, obviously- they arent on the csi team!)

      For all people on this blog, any other blog, or in Heidi Ts livingroom know: LE may very well have tire track evidence, blood stained/ washed clothing, cleanup materials, text message proof, fingerprints, drugs...yadayadayada

      Its VERY obvious to me, LE is just trying to cleanup straggling drug connections, as well as locate a body, to seal the case! God help them do so, soon, and completely!

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  7. No, juries determine whether the evidence (facts and circumstantial) prove beyond a reasonable doubt whether a defendant committed the crime.

    Civics 101.

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    1. So we will have faith that the jury sees the truth.

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    2. Unless they bring the jury in from Pinellas County, FL.

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    3. Chicky, Grace, You ladies are definately more patient and tolerant with the idiotic, nonsensical, unbacked anons tonight. Maybe I should walk away from the blog for tonight? I want so much to tell them all why they are so freacking wrong but all it is doing is deflecting why Chicky posted this in the first place. trying to find Answers and Justice for Ayla.

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    4. No need to walk away John. I just try to think that some annon may not have been involved as long and getting the hang of it, others may be here to stir up things, others to deflect, others just don't agree with me.
      i have times where I have no patients and it's hard someimes to figure out just what direction people are coming from.
      The last couple of days i just wanted to cry at ANYTHING I heard, that's how this lady handles it at times!! :-)

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    5. Some guys say real men aren't supposed to cry but I was not raised that way. The past few days has really gotten under my skin since Peter posted that LE may offer CR or ED full immunity for testimony. I want the testimony but ALL of them should pay for true JUSTICE to be provided for Ayla!!! I see the deflections, i see the fire starters, and I just want to explode! Then that blogger BTICH defames LNM on top of everything else. She needsto be locked up before she hurts any other child!

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    6. Real men DO cry.

      I feel your anger John. I'm not THAT upset if Elisha gets immunity (depending on her true level of guilt), but courtney does not deserve immunity IMO. I think her and derek are the true guilty ones, only after Justin.

      Besides, I don't think courtney will turn on Justin, even to protect her own child.

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    7. Thanks Kit, I am to the point know where instead of getting choked up I am getting physically sick to my stomach with the insensitivities by real people towards this missing little Angel! How can people with hearts in thier cheasts even think of doing some of these things!

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    8. Some people apparently, somehow survive, without a heart.

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    9. It is a long battle of psychological warfare. When you need to purge emotional energies you should allow yourself to do so. I never read the other blogs except Jeffs because I know it is all diversionary tactics.

      This is a contest of wills John, a spiritual battle, and with patience and unshakeable commitment to justice for the kid we shall prevail. I feel the same way about the circus and funny clown cars. Justin kidnapped Ayla, Justin murdered Ayla, Justin desecrated Ayla's corpse, period. That truth is already part of the eternal realm, so, like in this world, he has no body to return as a bargaining chip for leniency, in the eternal world an admission of guilt and recitation of the facts is worthless.
      The Almighty has already recorded that period of time space as a permanent record available in the eternal realms.

      Try to see opponents of truth as mutants, humans returning to the animal kingdom, wandering spirits who built their homes/souls out of mud and sticks instead of wood bricks or granite blocks.

      Its like that old Dylan song.
      "He who isn't busy being born is busy dying."
      To you me and others the price of adhering to the truth is costly at times but in the long run it is worth it. A long way from now when we are where Ayla is we can look her in the eye and say humbly "I did the best I could" She'll shrug, we'll shrug a big hug is exchanged and it is over. The faith in each kept alive through the darkest valley of shadows.

      These people who delight in upsetting and tormenting others are
      shadows whose gamesmanship can not accept Justin kidnapped Ayla, Justin murdered Ayla, Justin desecrated Ayla's corpse.
      The ringleader demons know and celebrate Justin's actions as a righteous kill of innocent blood required to anger The Almighty.

      The wrath grows slowly and inexorably.

      As to the topic, Justin had an internal system of rationals for his behavior that has collapsed. He is staring the world in the face saying; "I AM the New God and thou shalt worship me."

      We'll see...
      We,ll see...
      We,ll see...


      Sometimes celebration is required also.
      Tuesday Justin's cohorts were arrested and now face 20-life.
      This murder and desecration and staged abduction that cost half a million dollars and imperils every truly kidnapped child or adult did not happen in a vacuum.

      A culture of depraved indifference to human life.
      Someday this war shall end but not for a while yet.

      A.M.

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    10. AM I agree the battle of good and evil will not end any time soon. The battle for Justice for Ayla specifically has to end soon. Trista is a mother whos soul is forbidden from mending, Jeff and Becca are grandparents whos hearts are forbidden from mending, the LE officer who handed Ayla to Justin has a soul that is forbidden from mending! If the Almighty is righteous and true, he must provide Asnwers and Justice for Ayla and allow the mending to begin!!!

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  8. Lol!
    Sorry, "Anon"...
    But, I have to agree with Grace and Chicky:

    "FACTS" are determined by evidenciary specialists, such as forensic scientists, medical examiners, expert physician consultans, those who specialize in ballistics and finger print analyses, etc..

    Lay people could not POSSIBLY be expected to be expert in such matters!
    What IS expected of them, is to be UNBIASED going IN to the trial, and to (hopefully!) be able to follow a logical argument, as laid out for them during the procedings.

    The job of the JURY is to determine AS A GROUP, whether the prosecution met the burden of proof required to secure a conviction against the defendant.
    In other words, whether or not the defendant can be reasonably declared "GUILTY" of the crime(s) they have been charged with!!

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    1. I didnt go to college and I understood that. Thanks VTLady.

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    2. Hell I got a GED and I understood that! Excellent post VTLady.

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    3. No Vt Lady. It is as I said. Juries determine the facts. Juries are the FACT FINDERS. That is their role. Sometimes a defendant will waive a jury trial, and the fact finder is the judge. But most criminal trials are conducted with the jury as fact finder, not the judge.

      As far as these experts you mention, such as medical examiner, ect., they do not determine the facts of the case. They present their professional opinions to the jury. The defense attorney will then put on defense experts to perhaps counter what the state's expert said. Then the JURY decides which opinion is correct.

      This is how it goes for all aspects of the trial. Two sides of each piece of evidence, each act, each statement on the stand, each document, each occurrence, will be presented. Then the version or aspects of a version that the jury believes will become the facts of the case, and upon those facts they will render a verdict.

      I am amazed that the folks on this blog have such minimal grasp of the law.

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    4. Anon, it is too late for me to argue with you. If you have a law degree and are so sure about all of this go to Waterville and volunteer to prosectute for the state. Otherwise, what you are projecting makes no sense to the logical thinking people who make up a jury! People like VTLady and myself and apparently everyone else except you. If I am a juror, I would expect factual evidence to be presented and I then apply it to the law and make a detrmination as to weather or not the facts prove the criminal act. That is just my mind working but I don't have a law degree which you apparently do. We will see soon enough how it all works when they arrest JD and CR for what they did to Ayla!

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    5. I also disagree anon, it is the job of the police officers,medical examiners (in cases where there is a body), prosecutors, etc to uncover what is FACT and to form a case based around those facts. Those FACTS are then presented to a jury AFTER a person has been charged. If LE started arrested people with NO FACTS and relying on the jury to be the fact finders, we are going to need to build even more jails.

      The jury will then decided if there is enough FACT presented as EVIDENCE to prove that the person did in fact commit the crime.

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    6. arresting not arrested sorry for the typo

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    7. "Facts" are just one aspect of the judicial process. All the facts of a case seldom come out simply because the accused are protected by the fifth amendment. Investigators gather evidence and interview witnesses. Prosecutors present their cases and argue their theory of the crime. Expert testimony is generally opinion and conflicting experts often cancel out each other. Juries reach their decisions based on evidence, their opinion of the truthfulness of witnesses, their perception of the demeanor and character of the accused, common sense and the legal standard of reasonable doubt. I have doubts that all the "facts" of this case will ever be known. I still believe justice will be served eventually.

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    8. Anon. . .why of course juries are considered the finders of fact, but why don't you get off your high horse, cause it's obvious that you don't hold a JD? The posters here are also correct. "Factual evidence" is presented in cases, and that would be the common definition of "fact." Juries are called "fact finders" because it is there job to consider the "factual evidence" and make a logical determination of the truth. . .what they believe to be the "facts" of the case. See, that wasn't so hard to explain. So you can quit with your "I'm so smart" and righteous indignation at people's common vs legal understanding of common terms. Get over yourself.

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  9. Yeah, Im wondering why we dont see any guests posts by VTLady. She makes a heck of a lot of sense to me.

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    1. She actually wrote one but it was in response to JSTL and we were undecided at the time on whether or not to post it and then because it was a time sensitive post, the more we pondered the less relevant it became, sorry VTLady

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    2. Here here Grace. I second the motion!

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    3. Lol!
      Thanks guys!
      :)
      I was just as glad that the one I submitted was never posted, J4A.
      It would've done nothing but incite more nonsense from The Evil One, anyhow...

      I've been working on something else to contribute for a while now, and will try and get it sent out tomorrow.

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    4. Oh good! I can't wait to read it!

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    5. Night night all. Prayers for Ayla.

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    6. Bring it on VTLady, just know I am going to scrutinize it with a fine toothed keyboard!! ;)) J/K I look forward to your post. It is long overdue IMO!

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    7. I am not far behind Chicky, I have a full day of work tomorrow, what a drag. I am just trying to settle my stomach before laying down. I can't even file a complaint against the other blogger for lying about LNM and it pisses me off that bloggr wont allow a complaint for willful lies being posted.

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    8. I will keep an eye out for it VTLady :)

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    9. I was just thinking about that, VTLady. I had hoped you were brewing up something great to share here. I love your posts!

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  10. Thanks Chicky for a great guest post!

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    1. You are welcome! I'm ot the best writer and may not allways make sense but I do feel that posts from all can give other angles for thought.

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  11. This may be a bit gruesome but I have 2 scenarios that keep playing in my head (1) I dont want to pay for this child for the next 16 years: Justin, weather w/ or w/ out accomplice makes a plan. (a) He takes out a lip (b) He comes up w/ a plan to fake a fatal accident. At this point his plan is interuppted, trista is becoming very demanding, and justin starts feeling pressured to see out his plan before ayla is returned to her mother and its to late. (c) same plan, just have to do it sooner. Justin trys to make it look like ayla fell down the basement stairs. Only it doesnt work! Ayla is left with a profusly bledding wound. At this point he panics, if he does anything else it wont look like an accident. If he just leaves her there it will be obvious that she could have been saved.... Hmmm plan B Staged Abduction (a) find a place to hide her body (b) clean up and house control. Justin makes up a lie to tell whoever in the house that wasnt in on it. Something happened to ayla! I panicked and hid her body or I need help to hide her body. (2) Justin and or courtney pissed off or ripped off the wrong dealer and said dealer showed up at dipeitro house and showed justin/courtney what could happen to him/ her if he/she ever crossed him again. This also creating a big cover up that justins whole family would join in. It makes me sick just writing this but something happened :(

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  12. I tend to agree with the first scenario. If a drug dealer killed Ayla, Justin would have been able to collect on the LIP.

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    1. I do as well and I honestly believe someone in that house did whatever was done. Justin could have lost his temper and something happened that way and everyone covered it up for him but the lip make that unbeleivable.

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    2. Besides I was around controlers my entire childhood. From what I have seen they like to control every situation and never really get out of control themselves. Sure they may say " im sorry, I got out of control" but ten to one they decided what they were going to do before they did it. I also seen somewhere that when trista asked why she couldnt speak to ayla on the phone she was told, because I wont have you controling me. I dont think this was an answer to her question. It sounds more like an answer to the why of what he was about to do or the answer to why he did what he did. I hope that made sence.

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    3. That is good modeling. The fatal moment depends on the rapidity of the bleed out by the bed; fast medium or slow. The motive depends on the dating or backdating of the policy. The body disposal depends on where Ayla was at 2:15 AM on 12-15 when Justin was at Cumberland Farms on video tape.

      A fast bleed out suggests gunshot, stabbing, or cracked skull.
      A medium bleed out suggests sexual assault and internal injury.
      A slow bleed out suggest a blow to the stomach or drug overdose.

      I think he threw her down the stairs twice.
      The first time broke her arm and she survived.
      The second time he threw her face to ceiling approach.
      The type of grip used to steady a bazooka/rocket launcher.
      Right hand under the buttocks left hand holding the head crown.

      She survived the second attempt.
      A slow laborious breathing and 20-40 beat pulse.
      That is what "F***** Justin up" totally into plan-B.

      Something tells me one of these dealers arrested Tuesday was Justin's confessor. Somebody knows and tells it all on tape.

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    4. I think Im going to throw up....

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    5. there is NO point to backdate the ins policy. it is only done to save age and ayla was a minor. her rate stays the same until age 18. someone who just turned 40 may have the policy backdated 6 months so they may get the rate of the 30-39 group. once they are in at that rate the rate stays steady with whole life and they can save on premiums over the life of the policy.
      therefor, your comment on backdating makes no sense, sorry.

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  13. It makes perfect sense to me!!!!

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  14. I based my model assumptions on the "Baby Gate" scandal when everyone was still in lets get our stories straight mode. Total nonsense but related to covering up the real event that proved fatal to Ayla.


    Justin as a member of an ongoing criminal concern should no better than to draw the heat and attention of federal authorities down on his associates in crime.

    There drug dealers and not interested in joining the baby blood sacrifice cult your madness created.

    Get it, you are surrounded.

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    1. It was previously said that someone saw Justin throw Ayla! I feel sick.

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    2. It makes sense now why Justina is either supposedly no longer in Waterville or is trying to make everyone think that.

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  15. I think that whatever happened, the broken baby gate figures in somehow. There's a reason this detail was included in the original TTLOM narrative.

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    1. Yes, Eve, I tend to agree.

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    2. After writing this, I reread it and it did occur to me that the baby gate would fit in, in that scenario. Also where was it said someone saw justin through ayla?

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    3. Stormy, It came out when the other blog released Trista's text messages. Trista had texted Justin stating that someone emailed her that they saw Justin throw Ayla.

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    4. Thanks for explaining, I remember that now. Kinda fits right in huh?

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  16. Justin's time as a free man is just about up.

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  17. The local news reported last night that more drug arrests, in connection to the 10 or more just arrested, are expected.

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  18. GREAT post, Chicky. I hope the finished product was to your approval. Thank you for your submission! Keep 'em comin'!

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  19. I don't agree with the drug dealer did it scenario because why would the drug dealer happen to choose the one child that was unwanted and leave the others alone?

    The only drug dealer that did it was Justin.

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  20. I just had to throw that in, in sopposition that drugs were involved. However, if drugs were not involved I dont see any reason anyone but the people in the would know anything.

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    1. In the house would know anything. Oops

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  21. the wizard of mathMay 24, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    justin -planned on getting rid of the CHILD SUPPORT PAYMENT one way or the other. he never was and never planned on being a dad. well, one down, one to go in MR 'Slip anyone you can the sausages' world. who needs condoms when you can perform your own post-birth abortions if the chicks aren't cooperative, and have the nerve not to slaughter his fetuses themselves.And why not make a few bucks off the deal while you're at it, right ? hey, a positive cash flow is better than a drain on your wallet to baby mama's anyday, even his bromace advisor derek can tell ya that.
    let's do the math..18years x @5k or more+ year =-$100,000
    dead kid and life ins =+25k
    total net for a dead Ayla =$125,000

    is it worth the gamble?

    both his kids could cost him $200-250,000 in child support/health ins.

    HEY, I think we have a MOTIVE here!

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  22. THE INSURANCE SPEAKSMay 24, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    the insurance policy was not illegal. even though justin only had her a few days, didnt have legal custody, whatever, does not matter. he only had to have an insurable interest to take out the policy and notify her other parent, which Trista verified he did. she knew about the policy. she knew he took it out a few days after he got her. she didn't raise a stink, did she.
    people who have legal insurable interest in ayla.
    mother, father, both sets of grandparents.

    where was justins policy to benefit ayla, to shore up the child support payment should he get crushed by a tractor trailer while making a drug dead outside the Bob-In?
    who was the contiguent beneficiary should he predecease ayla, and she died, or if they both died togather. this info will make the PLOT THICKEN. msp HAS ALL THIS INFO.

    maybe the contiguent beneficairy is HEID-ME HEN???????

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