Wednesday, May 2, 2012

Further Discussion for Stand By Your Man

Continued from original post...

Stand By Your Man


Thank you all for the healthy discussion/debate without the need for nasty, personal attacks. You all are amazing and thank you WordMan for contributing here, you are a welcome addition to the growing list of AMAZING contributors here. I appreciate each and every one of you and I especially appreciate all of the caring, generous followers of this blog.



Justin looks pretty comfortable with Trista and in close proximity

Why are there no pictures of the happy couple? Justin can't get far enough away from her, I wonder why?



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    1. I wish I could figure out how to make my posts fancy, but alas, blogger is nothing like excel! LOL

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    2. Kit, that was a good point you just made. Bring that over here. What I mean is, say that again over here!

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    3. My bad, it was kimc that stated maybe Justin grabbed Ayla to control Trista.

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    4. Grace,

      I am missing the line of thought with KimC's statement. I ask on the first page but maybe here is better. Being me (a guy) I would think that failure to return Ayla on 22 Oct and the methof of the grab on 20 Oct would be the end of control over Trista. Any mother is going to fight for her daughter eventually. Justin would have had to know this??

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    5. John, you obviously don't have the mind of a manipulator, and possibly never had the displeasure of dealing with one (those are compliments). There are some people who seek control, at any cost, probably not even thinking that far into the future. Yes, any mother would eventually fight for her child, but the master manipulator/control freak is not banking on it.

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    6. I replied here (I think), idk what happened...

      I said: John, you obviously don't have the mind of a manipulator, and possibly never had the displeasure of dealing with one (those are compliments). Some people seek control at any cost, without possibly looking that far ahead into the future. Any mother will of course eventually fight for their child, but the master manipulater/control freak is not banking on it.

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    7. I think I get it Kit, Thanks. I did take it as compliment that my mind works so differently than JD's!!!!

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  2. Trista and Justin's relationship before Ayla went missing sound like a bad soap opera. This definitely makes me wonder about Courtney a little more. I have a question maybe it's already been answered on the first page of comments, but why was Trista still having sex with Justin if she was concerned about abuse. Was this last sexual encounter before the suspected abuse of Ayla?

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    1. My guess is.......she's not a stable person. She probably had although upbringing. Parents could have been addicts, she could have been abused. Many insecure woman want male attention, and many women put their spouse/boyfriend before their childrens best interest. Relationships can also be addictive, as well as drugs, alcohol, food, shopping, etc.

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    2. It was during the beginning but before he kidnapped her, broke her arm, spilled her blood on his bedroom floor then claims to have allowed her to be kidnapped. This was also the time Trista was having a drinking problem.

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    3. My guess is she was starting to see the light which is why Justin grabbed the kid, like Kit pointed out.

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    4. Like kimc pointed out on previous post.

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    5. Well whatever her reason was I have to give her props for putting this information out here. My thoughts of her have just been reinforced after this. She releases a lot of information about her life that doesn't make herself out to be a saint. I think that's a good thing though. Everyone has skeltons in their closets. No one is perfect. I'm more inclined to believe someone who tells the good, the bad, and the ugly in their life over someone whom says "I'll talk when the time is right". I mean I don't think I've even heard Justin say " I screwed up. Ayla was lost on my watch and I'm responsible". I can't see him even acknowledging he did anything wrong in his life.

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    6. She may mot have recognized abuse, particularly emotional abuse, until her baby started returnimg home with injuries. Maybe her realization of how deep this situation was contributed to the drinking problem.

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    7. ITA anon 5:11. It is my belief that the first bruises and so forth were not acted on because she was being emotionally abused and therefore missed the early signs of the physical abuse. The pulled leg muscle when the Dr. reported Justin for possible abuse was the eye opener for Trista. The alcohol, the emotional abuse, the physical abuse all had to stop. I think she tried to stop all of this personally with Justin but it did not. The rehab, though mandated by "DHHS" is the turning point where she realized for the first time the abuse the was happening not to just herself, but to her precious daughter as well. his would also explain why Trista started going back in time and verifying the previous injuries (the non-existant ball-pit).. Hope this makes sense?

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    8. I tend to agree with your impression of Trista's feelings for/about Justin, prior to him taking Ayla, JohnP...

      She (albeit foolishly) bought into his excuses, for how Ayla came up with a pulled leg muscle, and facial bruises on his watch.

      Trista WANTED to believe that Justin loved and cared for her AND their daughter, and that these minor (though TROUBLING!) injuries were incurred accidentally.

      IMHO, she was *SO FAR* in denial, that she even BOUGHT Justin's ridiculous account of Ayla being "beat up by other babies" at Chuck-E-Cheese, and went down to complain to the manager..

      Trista had real feelings for Justin, and unfortunately her trust was misplaced in him..
      He was using her as a booty-call, and cared not one iota for her OR for AYLA!!
      Very sad..
      :'(

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    9. ITA John P and VTLady.

      People keep questioning Trista "allowing" Ayla to go/visit with Justin after such abuse. Each incident on it's own, seems in fact to be minor (yet troubling, like you said VTLady). I don't think *ABUSE* is someones first thought, when their child arrives home, from ANYWHERE, with an injury, here and there. Over time, as these injuries add up, THEN someone would start to question them more. In this case, all Trista has is hind sight, which of course is 20/20.

      Was Trista Justin's booty-call, or was/is courtney? Now he's just stuck with her, through their secrets...

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    10. To Justin, that is all Trista was, a booty-call. Ayla was an inconvenience to those booty calls.. Plain and simple, his control stopped when Trista got off the alcohol! JMHO

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    11. I do agree. I was more so, trying to figure out Justin and courtney's "relationship", that was SO important to flaunt, during the original TLLOM fairy tale. I wonder what courtney really meant/means to Justin.

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    12. I doubt we will ever know that Kit. Justins side of events were never told by Justin. Courney is the only on talking about thier relationship. Justin seems to be allergic to it, except for the sex part of course!

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    13. (I made this post many hours ago but never actually published it. So it ignores others comments. Sorry - I do that frequently and then it looks like I am ignoring everyone. I have to go out now and just thought I would go ahead and post too anyway. I cannot wait to come back and read everyone else's comments.)

      I certainly cannot speak for Trista, but I got the sense that she was figuring things out as she went along. I do think it was a gradual realization before and after Ayla went missing that Justin may have been hurting Ayla. If I remember correctly Trista had said that she had seen Justin could be great with Ayla? (Something along that lines.) So at least in front of Trista's face, Justin was being great with Ayla. That is what she knew for a fact at that time. So when the bruises on Ayla's face happened, without being able to find out for sure what happened, I would imagine Trista might have thought it was most probably due to accidental bruising. (Although Trista knew at some point Justin lied about how the bruising happened, because there is no ball pit.) (but you know, now it is more obvious - hind sight and all.) And I would think, since Trista took Ayla to the doctor and talked about the 'Ayla is limping issue', she was by then, at least wondering about how well Justin was taking care of Ayla.

      Personally I believe Justin is a sneak, and was deliberately hurting Ayla when nobody else could see. Or only hurting her in front of someone he could trust not to tell on him. Or maybe even letting someone else hurt Ayla for him.

      And remember when Jeff talked about, how part of the reason that Trista's drinking began to escalate was because of the pressures she felt being a single parent of two babies. Trista clearly was a worried parent. So I don't know for sure but, maybe Justin was taking advantage of that and pretending they could have a possible future. (OMG - Justin is so disgusting!)

      I always thought Trista appeared to be truthful but as if she had to be so careful what she said. I thought she had to worry about alienating Justin when Ayla was 'missing'. But I am also thinking it is possible since originally Justin was playing nicey nice for Trista, Trista just could believe or fathom that Justin could actually deliberately do anything to hurt her precious child? So again, maybe it wasn't till after Justin was putting Trista off about seeing and talking to Ayla that she really knew she had to get help and file.

      So this new news does give me even more concern about Courtney and what really happened to Ayla. I see Courtney as an intense person. And not in any good way. And I believe she is obsessed with Justin. So CR could have very well, even hate/d as well as resent/ed Ayla and/or Trista both so much...?

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    14. MsP, This is food for thought definately. I especially feel this sentence "So when the bruises on Ayla's face happened, without being able to find out for sure what happened, I would imagine Trista might have thought it was most probably due to accidental bruising." is very telling. It leads us to see just how controling and manipulating he really was.

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  3. Don't jump on me, maybe I'm wrong, but could T have benn getting drugs from J? Addicts don't always make wise decisions.

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    1. Anything is possible but, I highly doubt that. If LE could pin any kind of dealing to Justin, I think they would. If Trista could tell them, yeah, I was getting pills from Justin, I think she would. I don't think she would lie and say she was if she wasn't or vice versa. Make sense? Did to me when I started!

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    2. Not sure about mixing.. But didn't Trista go to rehab/detox for alcohol? Wouldn't drug/detox for drugs be different?

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    3. Wow! I knew something didn't sound right! Wouldn't REHAB/detox for drugs be different than for alcohol?

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    4. Yes. It is my understanding that Trista had a drinking problem.

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    5. G4a, Police would not likely make a drug bust based solely on amyone's word she bought drigs from someone in the past, particularly not someone whose motives could be so easily challenged. They may however be watching and waiting. Could there be a link here to B's arrest? Looks possible.

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    6. I've considered this before because it happens all the time. If he gives her pills AND has her daughter he has a great deal of control over her. If he is also leading her on and having sex with her she's a hooked fish that he just has to reel in.

      I noticed in one of Trista's texts she said something about "if I was clean" rather than "if I was sober", which is what an alcoholic might say, in my experience. I have a daughter her age who is an addict and I live in Maine. Prescription drugs are a huge problem up here and both Trista and Justin had "that look" in the beginning of all this. Wiith Courtney's sister being a dealer, JD may have been using her to get access but now is sticking with her because she can incriminate him. And how about Trista's sister Jessica? Is she not an addict as well?

      It's just a thought. No disrespect intended to Trista or her family. My family has experienced the struggles of addiction and I am not meaning to judge, just be honest about the many ties Justin might have had with/over Trista.

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  4. There's this one pic of Trista and Justin that I always see where it looks like they're singing a duet. Every time I see it, I think of those late night infomercials that push music from the 70's and shit. I can understand how Trista could have feelings for FuckFace and he was probably being a manipulative and sweet talking prick to her to put her at ease with him. Probably the same routine he's pulling with Court now. Dude is not a stud. He's a chud and a flaming piece of shit. it must bother the hell out of Court to have tasted Trista all over her "studly" man and that makes me lol. Justin needs to do his laundry more often. That's gnarly.

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    1. I don't mean to laugh in such a serious circunstance, but holy shit that is funny. He hasn't done a lot of interviews or made public statements by himself anyways, but his douchiness oozes across state lines.

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    2. BOO it's time for one of your famous funny's on this note! let's see a new Funny on your page soon just to lighten the mood.

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    3. Why would it be surprising to find out Mr. (not)Clean hadn't wash his sheets?

      After seeing the pix of the Dip's house, it would be way more shocking if he HAD, IMO.

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  5. Suzanne for Ayla and her Mother and FatherMay 2, 2012 at 1:35 AM

    Yes, BooKat I agree, and now how Trista reacted makes perfect sense to me. Of course she couldn't wrap her head around Justin hurting Ayla. And, he has never personally blamed Trista for her disappearance. He seems to blame someone else but will not say who it is. He says you are not her parent, you have no right etc. Courtney is definately the odd one out in this love triangle. I already knew Justin was doing both of them because I am a math wiz and AH said CR and JD were together for about 3 years or longer. So, do math LOL. But this is new info that took a lot of courage for Trista to release, and it shifts my thought as to who did something to Ayla. I was convinced that JD and Phoebe were in cahoots, but now I think maybe CR was the violent jealous one. Just maybe, think inside the box, and admit children are not as safe with step parents, because of jealousy and non biological instincts. CR must have been very suspicious, as women usually know when their man is being a real stud dog lol. He was free game and Trista did nothing wrong in being with him. CR was really in Trista's way big time. CR refused to meet Trista even though Justin wanted her to, for Aylas sake. CR is the odd one out. And, she is going down for the crime shemis committing against Ayla.

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    1. Suzanne, but couldn't the jealously have worked both ways? Maybe Trista felt jealously of Courtney. After all, Courtney had Justin's heart most of the time, and Trista only got some lovin' once in a while. Meanwhile, Trista had born Justin's child and she may have viewed Courtney as standing in the way of she and Justin and Ayla becoming a family all together.

      After Ray left for prison, Trista may have felt very lonely. Her need and desire for a real relationship may have increased. Then after Justin packed up and moved permanently to Waterville, that really left Trista out in the cold. I could see a woman having her child snatched back under such circumstances.

      I agree with you Suzanne that jealousy can be a powerful motivator. But I just don't see Courtney as being the only one capable of that emotion.

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    2. Yes! Just what I thought all along. How else would one explain Courtney LAUGHING at Trista, in public, after Aylas disappearance? Actions speak louder than words and Courtney has been SILENT since Dec. 16!

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    3. Courtney knew giving Ayla back that Justin would be going to Portland for visitation,alone at Tristas. if He kept Ayla,Trista would have to come to Waterville to get Ayla,Where he was living with his family,and they wouldnt be alone.Maybe that was the plan keep Justin away from Trista.That would only work if Ayla wasnt in the picture.

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    4. Anon 11:51,I dont see that Trista would be Jealous knowing she could apparently get Justin when ever she wanted,even when he was with Courtney.As long as they had Ayla they would interact.Taking her child and hiding her would end that relationship forever,and hurt herself more than it would hurt Justin or Courtney,Who would benefit more from Ayla being missing? Whos life would be better? Not Tristas,Maybe thats why he left Portland?Courtney wanted him away from Trista? When it was time for Ayla to go to visit Mom,why didnt Justin show up? When it was time for Ayla to go home,She is missing.Who wanted Justin and Tristas relationship to end,Whos life is better now Tristas or Courtneys?

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    5. ITA anon 5:35. That is the ultimate question. Though both could have jealousy as a motive, "Who's life is better now" without Ayla in the picture???

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  6. I really don't think it was Courtney who did it because why would Justin tell Trista that he thinks someone is going to take Ayla before it even happend to her. That tells me he did it and planed it himself. Anyways he for sure knew Ayla was going to be gone one morning and didn't do one thing to prevent it. So it's a for sure thing for me that it was justin. If I even get one bad filling that something could happen to my baby (especially when I read about stuff like this) I do everything and more to make sure my son is safe including making sure (myself) that the windows and DOORs are locked every night. (they can't even remember if they locked the doors) So why didn't phoebe put the camra up when Justin thought something was going to happen to Ayla? Phoebe thinks to put one up to protect Justin (a full grown man) but not a helpless baby girl. I hope all of them who know what happend to Ayla and didnt do one thing to help her pays for what they have done/didn't do. I pray that Ayla is safe but it's just been so long it would be a miracles if she is safe. I hope miracles still happen.
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    1. If it was planned why would he tell Trista he was afraid Someone was going to take her? That is strange.

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    2. MrsSmith, I would have to say that I think the texts after 8 Dec, of someone wanting to take Ayla was a part of the cover-up plan for what had already happened to Ayla. Not a very smart part of the cover-up but hey, it wasn't smart to not wash your sheets or tell so many verifiable lies either!!

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    3. I agree John. As strange as it may seem, I can't think of any other explanation. It really doesn't make any sense whatsoever for him to have texted that to her. What was the point? It looks really stupid and/or hinky to text/tell someone that you think your child is going to get kidnapped, then, it magically happens.

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    4. Kit, I have had a nagging feeling for a week or so know that maybe this is being thought way to deep. The simplicity of the texts, the poor planning, worse execution of the plan, sloppy clean-up, verifiable lies, etc tends to make me think the W5 are not capable of the rationale thought process we are giving them credit for. Courtney got way too much credit from me based on this information about the affair, maybe we are all giving them too much credit?? IDK

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    5. Very possible John P!

      But, where is Ayla?? I don't know how they didn't "mess that up" too. Unless they did, because they really wanted her found.

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    6. I think they did want her found originally and that is why they bought the LIP. Then the botch harming of Ayla made them have to change the hiding location to a more permanent one.

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    7. First of all I’m not a JD defender but I sometime wonder about CR
      Unless she has bigger guns behind her .. Perhaps the Dips clan
      R scared of her big guns that support her

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    8. EXACTLY Anon 8:30
      Courtney makes Justin think that she can make him 'look' smarter (if even remotely possible) PLUS a great drug connection(s) in her family; Ive always thought CR would be the mother figure of all mother figures that we know JD so desperatly relies on!

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  7. I agree Mrs. Smith, that is why I have put a lot of blame on Ms. Phoebe, grandma from hell. All of them are responsible, all 4, maybe 5, Justin, Courtney, Elisha, Phoebe, Lance, all abused and neglected a beautiful baby entrusted to them, Ayla. But that is the problem, a jury will say, well, it could have been a different one of them than the one on trial. So we have to pray for MSP that they can forensic evidence on the one or more that actually spilled the blood, or got rid of her and how they did it.

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    1. Yeah if this turns out like the Casey Anthony trial then I think I will lose all hope for our justice system when it comes to getting justice for our little Angelic babies.

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    2. ITA Mrs Smith- my hopes for the "system" were crushed long ago. I still pray for Ayla - and hope the ignorance of the people in this case will be what brings them down. JDs "singing choir" of mama dogs ie!

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    3. Thats what I worry about ,If Caylee was found sooner there may have been some evidence.Drugged or Drowning,something.Wherever Ayla is evidence could be lost.They need to find her soon. Hoping for a miracle,and that she is safe.

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  8. I don't think in this circumstance Courtney was manipulated by Justin. I do think there is a possibility that JD used Courtney as a drug connection (Britany) and a random piece of a**, and a place to stay. I think Courtney on some level was aware of this but wanted more and and also a possibility on some level was aware that there was "more" between JD and Trista. It has been stated she was jealous of Trista and her interaction with JD.

    But after all, what greater connection can exist between two people other than sharing a child. A position and place Courtney could not fill cause Trista was there.

    Whatever happened to Ayla I do think Courtney is completely aware and I think she likes this. The knowledge and envolemnent makes her his partner and binds them abnd connects CR and JD. She shares his secret, she keeps his secret, she can prove she is loyal and will stand by him no matter what; and this secret DESTROYS the person that has stood in the her way to JD.

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    1. I was thinking the secret keeps him dependent on her good will. Too bad they weren't smart enough to rralize that keeping secrets like this eats away at respect and destroys relationships

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    2. Anon, your conclusion makes logical sense but I don't think these are logical people. Obviously living in various states of denial and justification. Actually it is also not all that uncommon to see relationships that feed on "drama". It does keep him dependent on her, but there may also be information against her (involvement, drugs, etc) That keeps them bound to eachother. I think this is what CR has always wanted (per her blog about her pregnancy and wanting to find a man that will love her child and stand by her) and also is able to hurt, exclude, and get Trista out of the picture.

      "Logically", I assume that there must be something that Justin also has on Courtney because why else would she risk her life and child. But then again, dysfunctional relationships can be hard to get away from. Right now Courtney gets to "have her stud" and it is her and him against the mean world that are against them: the more loyal she is = their unbreakable "special" bond.

      Really dysfunctional.

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    3. also forgot to mention, I don't think respect has/had anything to do with this relationship. You can't respect others if you can't even respect yourself. I don't believe this relationship was based on anything authentic but rather out of personal gratification for both of them, in many ways. They were using eachother. I don't think Courtney is as Naive as some have stated and maybe she is possible "book" smart. But she is grown women with a child and to make the choices she had made (which ultimately are choices she has made for her son), does not make her naive, it makes her ignorant.

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    4. TOTALLY agree, Annie.

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  9. Well now she knows for a Maury Povich fact he cheats in her and she is just a piece of ass, nothing to him. So she can live with that. She can keep refusing to tell what she knows to MSP. More power to the you know what.

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  10. She's whatever Trista called her and more! As far as I am concerned.

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  11. The sad reality may be that in order for Ayla's little smiling face to be seen again, Justin and Trista must reconcile, and Courtney must be gotten out of the picture. That would be my guess.

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    1. As minimally as I'd like to agree, I have had the same sentiments. Although, I'd try to put a buffer around the definition of "reconcile" enough to only support some answers for Ayla, if Justin were to in fact not be involved; definitely agree 100% on Courtney's removal from the situation...that is for certain.

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  12. When Justin mde his statement to the abductor "You are not her parent, etc.", I thought at first he was simply addressing the stranger-abductor. But, then Justin's fan girls quickly abandoned that stance, going straight for Trista or her relatives and friends as ones who took Ayla from the Violette Ave. house...and then lately, to Jessica as the #1 abductor suspect.

    And then Justin made the ridiculous statement that he wanted immunity for the "kidnapper". That way Ayla would be returned sooner.

    I think he said this so that we would think he means he knows Jessica took Ayla. She is not the "parent", she may have thought she was doing the best thingg for Ayla, and good-guy Justin is not going to make any accusations until LE tells him they have proof who took Ayla. And it will all come out eventually that Jessica has Ayla, the "truth is the truth" and now is not the time to accuse her. He is such a good guy that he will wait until LE dislodges Ayla from Jessica's hiding place.

    Isn't Justin just a luuuvie? Errr...I meant "stud"?

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    1. I was thinking he was talking more to Courtney. She is not the parent, he wants immunity for her, but when there is no more use for her, the time will be right to through her under the bus!! I can not honestly remember 1 picture of JD and CR together in the way JD and Trista are together above.

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    2. Good point, John. Where my mind is today after this post and comments, I feel the same!

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    3. This really was a shocking story by Wordman. It has taken so time to see it through in my head but it is becoming a little clearer. Less of a shock factor today, I guess!!

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    4. Yup! Looks like Court was just kept around for 1) drugs 2) pawn to make Trista jealous/ keep her hangin on. Get out NOW Courtney, before your stud throws you under the bus like he ( and you) did with Ayla!

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  13. It is my understanding that Justin texted Trista and said he thinks Ayla may be taken or kidnapped right? By that i mean Justins phone was used to text Trista...but do we know for sure if it was infact Justin that texted her or someone using Justins phone?? I would be interested to know if Courtney was with Justin on that day the text was made...
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      I would seriously hope that was investigated since the first day. Also ALL calls too and from both JDs phone and Phebs land line. Wish they had taken CRs phone along with her car- to the crime lab! DNA on a phone could be just as telling as the calls made!

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    2. Maybe they did take her phone. I'm guessing they would have taken all their phones? Or, does LE even TAKE phones, or just get records?

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    3. Robin C.

      Though I highly doubt what you're suggesting actually happened (someone else texting Trista with JD's phone) I guess it is a possible, but I would not believe Courtney as a witness to this as being fact even if she said she was with him all day, I still wouldn't believe it.

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  14. Where was this last info about sheets, Trista and Justin? I cannot find it. If they still had an affair that could have given motivation for lots of things for his girlfriend.

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    1. Anon 4:02,

      It is on the previous post, this thread was created for "overrun" by J4A because some browsers will not allow for comments over 200 to be read.

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  15. After learning of this newest development (to us), it leaves me shaken up recalling Justin's text to Trista about his fear of someone taking Ayla. Now that it's confirmed that they had a deeper relationship than Justin (and his camp) portrayed to the public, I almost question whether or not CR had the upper hand in the manipulation here. Could he have feared CR's anger towards Ayla, and he wanted to try and imply his worry to Trista? It would make sense of his statements on television regarding, "You are not her parent"; it makes me wonder. This could also go hand-in-hand with previous comments posted here in the thought that maybe Justin and CR are so connected to each other over drug-related ties and things of that nature.

    I realize this is giving Justin entirely too much credit, but it is a plausible "theory" at the very least. As I've said previously, my opinions on sweet Ayla's case literally go from one angle to the next on an almost hourly basis. Thoughts?

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    1. Also, in terms of the manipulation, my thoughts have not changed in how manipulative Justin is as a person and how manipulative and controlling he has been over Trista. I am only sharing a wave of thought that came through my mind when I first read this post yesterday; had to clear that up--my thoughts on Justin have NOT changed. I'm only further considering CR into the mix as being fully behind this.

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    2. JMH, this new information has brought to my mind many questions, thoughts and suspicions. One of them is def. courtney being much more involved.

      Justin def. appears manipulative, but courtney appears just as manipulative, if not more.

      I can't figure out why they would stay together though, unless they are BOTH somewhat equally involved. Is one of them THAT manipulative? I could see Justin staying with courtney, out of fear of her turning on him; I could see her using this to her advantage. But courtney needs to realize that being STUCK with someone is not the same as choosing to be with someone.

      I can def see why Trista was/is so confused, but I guess the bottom line is, all those in the home know what happened, including Phoebe. I don't know, is it possible for only one or two of them to have secretly done something to Ayla? I don't know how that would be possible. Plus besides the fact, that it more than likely did not happen that night.

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  16. Could it be possible Justin knew Courtney would find out about his recent roll in the hays bc on the off chance trista was carrying his child and knew Courtney would find out eventually? Than in the mean time he bred his could Heffer (Courtney) to save his relationship with her prior to her finding out about trista. If she went into rehab in October, December 15th-17th would put her around 8 weeks pregnant. (her being trista) just in time for Courtney to find out and flip. Maybe now he has two baby Mommys. This is of course based off hear say, nothing more.

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    1. Interesting idea..

      And, this may be a bit far out there, but...
      It has me wondering how *certain* the paternity of little Ray is, too.

      We know that there's a good chance Justin knew FOR SURE that Ayla was his, LONG BEFORE the court ordered paternity test, and subsequent ruling that he be liable for child-support.

      Was he in "CONTACT" with Trista and seeing her on the side when Ayla was an infant, even if he was NOT visiting/acknowleding his baby, per se??

      Granted... Ayla and Ray don't look much alike,
      BUT, is this really because they have DIFFERENT FATHERS, or could it just be that AYLA is the spitting image of Justin, while RAYMOND looks an awful lot like his Mommy???

      Could there have been some QUESTION as to whether Trista's son was Fortier's or JDiP's?

      If Justin flipped out when confronted with this possibility---would Trista have been tempted to declare the baby Ray Fortier's to APPEASE Justin---WITHOUT really knowing for sure??

      I'm only questioning this because I get the feeling that Justin was stringing Trista along for QUITE a while, and that SHE had real feelings for HIM that were being trampled upon cruelly.

      Trista seems to have a big heart.
      She even indicates having worried, about CR's feelings being hurt, by her and Justin's ongoing "relationship".

      Trista COULD'VE broadcast their months-long affair early on, but didn't.
      She EVEN refrained from calling CR and the DiPs out, when they kept insisting her only connection to Justin was a "one night stand" that produced Ayla.
      :/

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    2. Good thought, VTLady. You've got my mind spinning with that one!

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    3. Very provocative comment VTLady. You bring up some good points! But I do believe that the difference in appearance is too great. JMO though!

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    4. Would she need paternity testing on Baby Ray, in order to receive assistance? Or was that the case with Ayla only because Justin was denying Ayla to be his?

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    5. Kit: I know that in the State where I live (and used to live), in order to receive child support you are required to establish paternity through the proper testing and court proceedings. Then, they go through the paperwork and put together the financial breakdown of pay cycles to determine child support amounts.

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    6. She wouldn't be getting child support, as Ray Sr. is "away", so I was wondering about assistance, like food stamps, welfare, etc. I thought that was why everyone thought Justin ended up getting "stuck" paying child support. He was apparently not on the birth cert, and denying Ayla to be his. Would the same apply for Ray Sr/Jr, in regards to receiving assistance? I'm just wondering if there is a possibility that there was already a paternity test for Ray Jr.

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    7. IDK...
      It did seem to take a WHILE before the state got around to DNA testing for Ayla.

      And, I got the impression that Justin was FIGHTING Ayla being declared "his" which necessitated the court-ordered DNA test, as a formality.

      Maybe testing would've been done regardless??
      Seems a needless expense to go to, if the father is willingly claiming the child as HIS, though.
      :/

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    8. Seeing as baby Ray is named after is Dad, Ray SR. is probably listed on the birth certificate as the father. That would make him legally bound to pay child support (if he weren't in jail). After all they don't make every child in a divorce situation have a DNA test before the absent parent is made to pay.

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  17. Trista's text messages revealed she wanted them to be a family, and there was more between them. I see it is confirmed now, they had an affair. I wonder if it was Courtney who convinced Justin to go and get Ayla.

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    1. Oh, I definitely think so!!

      I think Courtney was a big force in urging Justin to make the custody grab, along with Phoebe.
      COURTNEY probably used the pretense of "ending future child-support obligations", but her PRIMARY motive was to end the "need" for Justin and Trista's "continued communication", due to AYLA.

      Imagine Courtney's dismay to find that this ploy, not only failed to END their communication, but actually caused it to INCREASE...with Trista constantly calling/texting to check up on, or talk to AYLA!

      I think this lead to *Courtney* deciding Ayla needed to be PERMANENTLY "out of the picture", and that SHE was the one who seeded the idea with Justin about an LIP murder for profit scheme.
      JMO/MOO

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    2. It would add up with the picture-perfect fairy tale given to AH shared on their backwards TTLOM mission and contributing website. Everyone has been duped by Courtney and her stud! Or so it seems.

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    3. It is so much easier for people to think that men are capable of such horrible acts/thoughts against children, BUT women are just as capable, no matter how much it goes against nature.

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    4. Timing doesn't work He took Ayla and got the Lip almost simultaneously

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    5. Wholeheartedly agree, Kit. We all know that the most recent example is Casey Anthony.

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    6. It would be helpful if LE released the LIP data because all modeling of the events from 12-8 to 12-17 depend on the degree of influence the policy exerts on the model. Backdated it is an afterthought but linear dated at the time of the Portland 10 / 17-21 snatch zone it reeks of premeditation.

      The new information Trista released gives credible back story to why she has been slow and the family members on the maternal side have been slow to realize a cold blooded killer murdered and disposed of one of their loved ones. One of the things LE is waiting for is for them to understand that reality and proceed.

      In this game of social justice replaces mob rule a person has a right to pursue justice but no guarantee of succeeding. One of the variables LE needs to cross off the list is the strength of the prosecutions witnesses and their resolve to "GO ALL IN" for the long haul and commit to putting Justin in prison for the remainder of his natural life.

      To get justice you must want it in your very soul.

      As to Trista the person she seems a very ordinary twenty-something in a world where people are lucky to be grown up at 30-40 if they ever even realize the last few miles of that journey-process is a forced march inflicted by the self on the self to adapt to an ever changing world and simply deal with it.

      I guess that is why this situation is so tragic because Ayla was robbed of that imaginary paradise we try to provide for children as a society at large. In this world we are born into a grave but hopefully we only figure that out way way way far down the road that is why my heart spirit and soul serve Ayla.

      She was cheated.
      Now we all make a fuss in her honor.
      So she'll realize in Heaven that we love her, freely.

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    7. I loved your comment; thanks for sharing. I've been interested in the LIP data as well.

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  18. Me too,and when it was time for him to bring Ayla Home,and has to see Trista again.Ayla disappeared.

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  19. I'm wondering if Courtney actually did simething to Ayla and JD is covering for her. Maybe she has something on him or because he is so dependent on women he's just afraid to lose her, because, after this, he knows he's definitely lost Trista.

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    1. I've had the same thoughts this morning as well, Maine-iac at Heart!

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    2. I have only one reason for not totally agreeing. JD never wanted a child in the first place, he just got rid of his own child (or helped), I don't see him sticking around with Courtneys son since this child is not even his??

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    3. And...

      The FAKE KIDNAPPING.
      That says volumes, straight to the pen, massive speakers on ten.
      How it deters & weakens the chance for real kidnap victims to survive their ordeal. It is a form of domestic terrorism.

      If Courtney did it he wouldn't cover for her its not his nature.
      Look at Lance, he is currently a problem that Justin has already arranged a solution to by getting him dirtied up in the Linnel assault.

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  20. I'm sorry but I don't believe a word that comes out of Trista's mouth. She was supposedly having an affair with the man who she is saying was abusing her daughter? And having this affair across the street from Courtney's apartment. I call Bullshit. You are all basing this as FACT. Until LE releases this, it is just another story by Trista.

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    1. Anon 7:24,

      It is your prerogative to disagree; I think it is unlikely the investigators in Ayla’s case would allow Trista to say they told her something that they didn’t. The last time that someone misrepresented what MSP told them, Justin was called to carpet.

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    2. I suppose it's harder to fathom if you've never before been in similar shoes as those 'worn' by Trista. I'm able to understand her wanting to believe the father of her child in his assurances that he wasn't abusing their daughter, all while participating in a consensual, sexual relationship with a man she clearly cared deeply for. At this point in time as well, I'm more likely to believe the comments given by Trista over Justin if only because she is the one being consistently vocal through this tragedy, knowingly putting herself out there in a questionable light. Not to mention that the things she has said and commented on begin to slowly add up, whereas everything and anything shared by Justin, his family, and his camp are all consistently being shot down one way or another. Not to attack you at all, so please don't misunderstand my tone, but I'm supportive of Trista over Justin for very specific reasons, and as of now, even more-so than before.

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    3. Wordman, JMH, I thank you for saying what I have been unable to get across for weeks now. I wish I could write as well as what you both just commented here.

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    4. John P!,

      You express yourself just fine. You can not be held accountable if your words fall on deaf ears.

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    5. Very prophetic Wordman, I have to remember this when I feel I am beating my head against walls.

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  21. I'm curious as to why this information is being released now? Both parties have denied that they had a relationship. I can certainly understand why they previously wouldn't want this to be public, but I don't understand why Trista now wants it to be public?

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    1. In my opinion, I think it's because she's coming to terms with reality and this has proven a slow process to admit to herself alone. Why hide the truth now? If she's beginning to accept the truth, and has confirmed the little details with LE as slowly or quickly as she has, why not share them publicly? I can't even imagine what this has been like for her, from her daughter missing while away in rehab, to the father of her child reacting (and not reacting) the way he has, to the truth about her daughter's blood being released while she still was possibly hopeful for a future with Justin...realizing her denial, realizing her entire life's choices have been poor ones; the list goes on. Releasing the information now is better than never, I'd assume. But that's just me. What are your thoughts?

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    2. I agree for the most part JMH. I would add though that a large part of Tristas heart has been torn away by the father of her child. She is now a complete PARENT who is fighting for her daughter and to get back that piece of her heart that is now missing. She is simply doing anything under the sun possible as a PARENT to bring Ayla Home! If that is exposing JD for what he is one lie at a time, placing herself in the firing lane for the public, shwill do it all FOR AYLA!!

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    3. I think that even during the early part of the investigation into Ayla's disappearance, Trista STILL had strong feelings for DiPshit, and wanted to BELIEVE that he wasn't responsible for Ayla being missing.

      In the infamous one-sided text messages,leaked by JSTL, Trista alluded to a reunion with Ayla, and "the three of them" being able to be a REAL FAMILY..

      This woman has spent a couple of YEARS being lead-on by JDiP, and protecting his lie from becoming known to CR...probably on the promise of Justin "ending it" with CR...SOON.
      You know: "When the time is right".

      Why did Trista allow him to do this to her??
      IDK..low self-esteem??

      Trista is a beautiful, KIND, young lady who could do SO MUCH better than the likes of Justin DiPietro!!

      It's really sad that she believed in his bullshit and allowed herself (and their DAUGHTER) to be treated like trash by him, for so long.

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    4. I agree VTLady, and also John. My comment shouldn't have implied otherwise; as we know, everyone handles and processes matters of the heart differently: whether it is tragedy, bliss, new beginnings, etc. I absolutely agree that a huge portion of Trista's heart was torn away from her by Justin (and even CR), I just meant to imply that we really don't need a reason for questioning her timing for releasing details of this nature or of any nature whereof. For every detail she processes and accepts, a new detail essentially is publicized by her via A4A for Ayla's justice that is deserved. I respect her choices in how she publishes them and I support it all the way.

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    5. Absolutely, JMH!
      I was actually in the middle of writing my post when you submitted yours, so please don't think it was directed at you..
      (I was only directing to the original Anon!)
      :)

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    6. No, I knew who you were responding to. Thanks, VTLady!

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    7. ITA JMH! The one thing I cannot overcome is how open Trista has made herself to the public in an effort to get beautiful Ayla back home!!!

      I wish the paternal side would do the same. Justin, man up, make yourself available for questions, stop sending women to do it for you!! Courtney, he is not the man you thought him to be. Do what is right for Ayla and for Aiden!

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    8. She wants to provoke someone to break ranks amd spill. She'll sacrifice her own privacy for this goal knowing it will all be made public at trial. At least she can release it on her own terms ny dping it now.

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    9. It has been released to the public now. It doesn't mean that LE didn't discuss it already with everyone involved. Why now? As Justin says, the time is not now to speak about Ayla. Apparently however, the time is now to bring this information out.

      I guess it depends on the point of view of the person revealing the information and when they feel it is "the time" to speak. Based on Justin's rules of not revealing information, it is up to the sole discretion of the person speaking to decide when the time is right... if ever.

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    10. Apparently LE and/or Trista is trying to MAKE now be the time...

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    11. Here's to hoping that "now" comes quick. So much love for Ayla!! ♥

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  22. I have been where Trista was. I had a baby (the result of a "one night stand") that I gave up for adoption many, many years ago back when keepig the baby was not the thing to do. I didn't tell the father until the baby was 6 mos. old and gone to a loving home. However, I sought him out and actually spent time with him. I felt there was this connection that couldn't be broken because of what we had made together.. When you're young and idealistic, you overlook flaws because u think u can change them in the other person.

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    1. Thanks for sharing that, Maine-iac! ♡♡♡
      That has to be hard on you still..
      :'(

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    2. Thank you for sharing Maine-iac. That makes perfect sense.

      Sorry to be off topic with this sensitive matter, but VTLady, how did you make those hearts?

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    3. Lol, Kit!!
      I copied and pasted them from a Word document.
      Got tired of having no access to icons, fonts, characters etc., on Blogger, so I made myself a cheat-sheet for my desktop.

      Oddly, not ALL functions and such will carry-over when copied, but MOST of the icons do.
      :)

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    4. yes it was hard. However i know i did the best thing for her. I still think about her often. However, I am blessed with now with 4 children, 4 step children and #12 grandchild is on the way.

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    5. Maine-iac, that was brave and selfless of you, to make that decision for your baby. That is never an easy decision. You were able to put your baby's needs and well being first! I am glad that you have been blessed with so many children, step children and grandchildren! Sometimes the hardest decision, is the best.


      Thanks for the info VTLady! I don't think I could do that on my phone. :(

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    6. I too have been duped by a man that told me and kept stringing me along. He was a cheater and I found out. I thankfully found out before I moved out of state to spend a life with him. I don't know how to explain it. But he was sick and twisted......besides the cheating. He outwardly seemed ok to many and charmed many. But I found out he had another girlfriend and other lovers. He promised a home and a life with me and my child. Some of the issues being brought out with Justin remind me. Which is why...more and more I don't believe him.

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  23. It's been suggested that this was revealed to prove that Justin was lying about not having a relationship with Trista. That can't be the case because it would only prove that they were BOTH lying about it. I've considered that maybe it was released to get Courtney to turn on Justin, but if that's true, why wait so long? This could've driven a wedge between Justin and Courtney far earlier and we may be closer to resolution by now. Was it released out of spite? Maybe. I can understand that Trista would be angry and looking to harm Justin. I'd like to think that's not the case, but it's possible. It's also possible that this is a preemptive strike to explain why Trista's blood was found at the crime scene? (btw-I'm not implying that Trista was involved) I really don't know, but I'm trying to figure it all out.

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    1. Sorry-this was meant to be a reply to JMH in the thread above and I hit the wrong reply button.

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    2. No need to apologize. So many things have been suggested as to why certain details are released and the timing of it all in its entirety; there are also many possibilities surrounding this case. I think the unified understanding at this blogsite in general is that we're all actively trying to figure it all out, with the facts released by LE and by the details shared by Trista (as well as the minimal details shared by Justin). As I said above, in terms of why Trista waited so long, I wouldn't ever want to ask her this question. She is in a horrible place right now, and really doesn't owe it to anyone to release anything if she doesn't want to--kind of like Justin's stance. However, I feel that she is releasing all of this, however timely she deems fit, for Ayla. She has made it obvious that she just wants her baby girl back...in whatever form is possible. Just my thoughts, of course. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here!

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    3. I completely agree that she doesn't owe it to anyone to answer. That wouldn't stop me from asking the question for two reasons. The first is that it's possible that something happened behind the scenes that caused her to release this, and it may hold clues as to what happened to Ayla. The second reason is that someone else WILL ask, whether it's a reporter, an investigator, or Justin's defense attorney. That's the sad reality. Personally, I'd rather she be given the chance to answer when the question is asked with kindness rather than the alternative.

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    4. @Anon:
      I really don't see how releasing this info "only proves they were BOTH lying"?

      The assertion that Justin and Trista's only connection was the "ONE NIGHT-STAND", that produced Ayla, has ONLY been made by the DiP minions...

      To my knowledge, TRISTA has never commented on this, one way or another, before now??
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    5. Unfortunately, yes. Trista has denied a relationship.

      Quote- "I don't know, like, I barely know who Justin is. We've never been in a relationship."

      http://www.necn.com/12/19/11/Missing-toddlers-mom-I-do-think-he-Aylas/landing_newengland.html?blockID=615320&feedID=4206

      To be fair, if we're talking about three sexual encounters during a 6-month period, then that doesn't really qualify as a relationship. If we're talking about a 6-month long "affair," that's definitely a relationship.

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    6. I think "relationship" may be defined differently, for different people. Plus, I'm willing to bet that Justin requested Trista to keep their "relationship" quiet.

      Manipulation

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    7. They both had reason to minimize the relationship, whatever it was. Him- Courtney, her- the creeping realization that he was an abuser who may have killed their daughter. And 3 encounters is not much of a relationship as Anon 9:18 said. Despite both of their past suggestions they had no significant relationship, this information seems reliable is because it is provable in part by DNA evidence. T knows whether police have that evidence and whether it will come out at trial. If it didn't exist and she lied about it, she knows it'd catch up with her.

      I think one reason it took so long for it to come out is because it's a huge invasion of privacy, something she'd probably prefer to keep to herself.

      Releasing it now is an act of desperation to break through the W'ville 4 silence maybe or to retain a small measure of dignity by being the party to release this info instead of having it come out by someone else after the grand jury meets.

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    8. anon 9:18, I read where Wordman is saying the same thing in the original story post from yesterday. # encounters does not make a relationship as you say, but it does prove it was not a one night stand as he insisted it was. And to further VTLadys' comment which I agree with wholeheartedly, there are people that believe, me included, that when you sex with an individual that by definition is sexual relations. To me, JMO, sex once constitutes a relationship. I don't want to get hung up on a word, I just thought I owed it to myself to voice my opinion.

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    9. Anon 9:35 The rationale you used for Trista to keep it quiet is flawed in that the "relationsip" occured before Ayla went missing. I believe in my heart she was hoping, possibly misguidedly, that she would somehow be able to have the family she had dreamed of from early on.

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    10. Kit-in all honesty, I doubt Justin would've had to use manipulation to keep Trista quiet. She is engaged to another man. She'd have a much reason to keep things quiet as Justin would. All the more reason why I wonder why now. As I said before and as anon 9:35 says above, it may have to do with trying to break silence or to be in control of how the information is released.

      To VTLady-I also found another quote by Trista from Nancy Grace. "No. We`ve never lived together, we`ve never been together. We were just two mutual friends."

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    11. I def. see your point Anon, but I do still feel manipulation played a big part in this. I really think he was "stringing her along". I think that if Justin agreed to a true relationship with her, she would have jumped at the chance at that relationship/family (Yuck!). For some reason, it appears that all she wanted was a family, with Justin. I really think he took advantage of this. JMO

      Yes, she has stated more than once that they were friends and used to talk, but now (at the time of said interview), he would not talk to her about Ayla. She was basically begging him to talk.

      THIS is what Justins "side" has been denying. Trying to claim that Justin and Trista ONLY had a one night stand. Basically, they have both denied a "relationship". I think their definition of relationship would be needed. I, like John, see it as they DID have a relationship, even at the time when it was only known as a one night stand. Plus I can clearly see that Trista WANTED more than a one night stand, more than just a sexual relationship. I'm sure Justin knew this, right along. JMO

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    12. The information released by Trista is very helpful and ends the question of who else's blood was found. It removes one more weapon of attack from the manipulators hoping to wear down the witnesses.

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    13. Not to be cruel to Trista, but I think she deliberately chose to lie in that aspect. They obviously had some form of a relationship for however long or short of a period of time.

      I think that at the time of her frequent interviews after the news broke of Ayla's abduction, up until the news broke of Ayla's blood being found, the fact that she was naturally going through so many whirlwinds of emotions left her to feel as if she had no other choice but to be supportive of Justin and his claims. I'm left to assume that she had no evidence to prove otherwise at the time, so she went about claiming whatever truths and lies she did so that "when Ayla is home", they both can proceed to go about life as they knew it (not effecting everyone's routine, albeit being Justin's girl on the side and playing house with him and Ayla without CR's knowledge, or continuing life with Raymond and JD to continue life with CR--the possibilities are endless).

      You'd also have to factor in the following: 1) she's engaged to another man in jail, whom when she apparently heard the news of Ayla, was in route to visit him; 2) she was sleeping with Justin and possibly hoping to be a family with him and Ayla (since clearly a future with Raymond/fiance was not going to happen--that alone is a whole other can of issues, I'd gather); 3) she was just fresh out of rehab and more than likely feeling lost and confused as a whole about where her life will take her and her children. I'd imagine given this news shared yesterday, she was probably going down a list of choices she has to make for her life and children (as it was plural at that point), e.g., "will Justin and I be together now that I'm out of rehab", "do I stay with Raymond", "do I move out of this city and start over", "will Ayla have Justin in her life now?", etc etc. Additionally, people who have suffered from addiction know that the moment when you're completely clean and sober is the moment when life hits you on the back of the head harder than a ton of bricks because you have to retrain your mind to live life differently; that is freaking HARD...mix that in with this news and you've got a sincerely lost, betrayed, scared, broken, and angry Mom.

      I think the timing of her release of details will come at any time she feels is appropriate enough for her mind to accept the criticism that follows, because let's face it, the poor girl is going through agony and has to deal with extremely harsh attacks on her all the while. The aforementioned alone is why I don't hold it against her; that is, her choice to be dishonest in interviews in the beginning of this, and her choice to share new details at the time that she has been. I don't blame her for being all mixed up about everything in its entirety.

      My heart just breaks for her, as it has been for Ayla. And I hope that my comment makes sense; I'm truly exhausted today and it might not make much sense!

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    14. I agree that Trista was particularly vulnerable, but for some reason I have a very difficult time viewing Justin as a master manipulator. Was he stringing her along? Perhaps. Did he think it was just sex but Trista wanted more? Perhaps. I really don't know. I can't recall Justin himself commenting on the subject. He may have, but I don't recall. I generally don't accept second-hand accounts (from Justin supporters, for example) unless their veracity is confirmed. I do, however, accept what Wordman has posted and I'd like to thank him again for answering my questions last night. I greatly appreciate his discretion in limiting his answers to only those things that he was told directly, without adding his own speculation.

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    15. I agree as well, Anon(11:12). I don't recall Justin commenting on really anything other than his defenses, to be honest.

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  24. Here is a scary thought, but since Justin manipulates and controls his woman emotionally, he could try and get CR preggers too.

    I forget who stated it above, but the fact that Justin only went to visit Ayla when no one else was there shows he had ulterior motives in sleeping with Trista.

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    1. Child support here we come! I just don't know anymore. Maybe it's because of the paint fumes I'm forced to smell this morning or just so many possibilities of what could have transpired. I do have a hard time wrapping my mind around a human being harming a child so that gets in my way.
      The dips have their mouths shut so that's no help. When they do whisper something it is often or allways a lie.
      justin drove lance so he could beat up Justin L.
      courtney, from what I understand refused a poly and refused to even meet Trista so Trista could feel more at ease knowing who was spending time with Ayla so that shows courtney being VERY jealous.
      phoebe disliked Trista and seemingly liked courtney. phoebe had her hands full with a full house.
      elisha, I am guessing probably did not like the attention going from her and Gabby to having to be share with justin and Ayla, and courtney and her little son. What was left over for her. Better yet what was left over for Ayla?
      Then there is the blood that we do not know for certain that it is all Aylas.
      So many angles to this sad situation.
      Trista, at least we get straight answers from you . That's the only part that I am NOT confused on!

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    2. So, was it courtney and elisha?

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    3. Chicky, I don't think it changes the fact that ALL are involved to some extent. It is just another puzzle piece that needs to fit into overall picture to determine which one of them actually harmed Ayla. JOM though!!

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  25. Heh.
    I guess JSTL was right when she said "the truth will shock the masses"...
    Not the "shocking revelation" she was thinking of though, I imagine!
    ;)

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    1. If Trista was informed two days ago that blood evidence results came back as being Trista's blood - is this the same partially cleaned up blood found in the basement (more than a small cut would produce and possibly as much as a cupful) that they were awaiting test results on? Or were they specific that the blood in the basement was on something else?

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    2. I doubt it, Abby.
      They supposedly found Ayla's blood on the floor beside Justin's bed, for one thing..
      Trista's blood was on the sheets he brought with him to Waterville from Portland.

      And, I somehow doubt that if there was MORE THAN A CUPFUL of Trista's blood on those sheets, he would have kept using them.

      First of all: Gross
      Second of all: Even if HE was Okay sleeping on blood-soaked bed linens...I *think* it MIGHT have raised some questions with CR, who was sharing his bed!!
      :/

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    3. Abby,

      Trista was informed by investigators that DNA from her blood confirmed her story about one month ago. It was a few days ago that Trista decided that this information needed to be shared.

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    4. they may have been laundered but stained and in a bag in the basement?

      ok, I missed where they said Ayla's blood was on the floor beside Justin's bed. I wish LE could/would clarify the blood, instead of releasing some info and then being vague about it.

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    5. Thank you, Wordman. Do you know if those were the results LE was waiting on from the partially cleaned sample when they released the info back in January?

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  26. Something I've wondered for a WHILE now:

    [Considering JDiP's comfort with VIOLENCE, his apparent need for CONTROL, and his bizarre relationship to WOMEN in general..]

    Have there been past allegations/suspicions of his being involved in sex assaults of any kind??

    Does anyone know?
    Just curious.

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    1. Not to be totally gross, but the amount of woman he sleeps with and cheats on, I doubt he has money to afford condoms. He must have or had many sexually related diseases. This is a very dangerous man in many, many ways.

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    2. Agreed, Bride!
      God only knows what a man-whore like him is spreading around. ☠

      I doubt it's about "not having money" for condoms, though..
      If you can afford your weed, and your cigarettes (around $7 per pack, many places!), to THEN claim you failed to use condoms because you "cannot afford" them, is pretty LAME!

      Plus, don't most planned parenthood locations give condoms out..for FREE??

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    3. Another sick thought, if what we hear rumored is true about JD being a small time drug dealer, how hard do you think it would be to get Rohipnol (Date Rape Drug) and slip it into an unsuspecting ladies drink at work only take advantage later??

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    4. That is probably a very good possibility, John P, with one major catch: he doesn't work!;) and probably never will if there is always some woman to live off of!

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    5. I thought he was working at an inn or pub when he was in Portland?? Or was that Lance?

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  27. maybe its Justin standing by his woman??? this new information just gave courtney roberts "motive"....just saying...

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    1. exactly...OMG! Tori...I'm sending you an email...I just thought of something!

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  28. ok, this may be way out there, but I have always felt that Courtney was involved w/Ayla's disappearence. This is just a theory, but what if Courtney arranged for Ayla to be taken. From what I understand, drug traffiking and child traffiking go hand in hand and since she was living w/her sister who was dealing in drugs, I'm sure she knows shady characters. The truth is, we really do not know how much blood of Ayla's was found, everything is hearsay when it comes to that. Also, another poster just shined the light in this post that maybe, just maybe it wasn't Justin who texted Trista reg. the kidnapping, maybe it was Courtney using Justin's phone. (he could have been in the bathroom or stepped out of the room - not everyone brings their phone w/them wherever they go) Justin may have an idea what type of people took Ayla, and that is why he made the statement he made. He may be suspicious of Courtney, and that is why he is keeping her close. I think Courtney always knew about Justin and Trista or had a feeling and w/Ayla out of the picture, no more Trista. This is just another theory, which could be plausible.

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    1. PLEASE! Justin knows EXACTLY what happened to Ayla and that she is no longer among the living. Courtney knows this as well. Justin has been hoping this would all go away and now he is realizing it will not. I expect him to try and pin this on either Lance or Courtney soon enough. Lance has the numerous arrests and well chronicled bad temper and Courtney has her hate of Trista as her motivation to abuse and hurt Ayla.

      Justin has a couple of very good fall-guys/girls lined up when he is arrested.

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    2. LOOK! This was just another theory...I'm in no way of sticking up for Justin, I am just putting another plausible theory out there. Like I said, drug traffiking and child traffiking go hand in hand and Courtney probably knows some shady characters. Hey, Justin probably knows EXACTLY what happened to Ayla. However, it doesn't hurt to look at another scenario. Because everything that is written in these blogs are just that, THEORIES. What about what John P. wrote a few days back about the possibility of Ayden accidently killing Ayla w/a weapon. That was just another THEORY as well.

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    3. Now we know, contingent upon new information, that Courtney possibly amassed a fair amount of reason for the antagonistic feelings toward baby Ayla; and not to mention, step parents and boyfriend/girlfriends of the parents are a large percentage of the culprits in child abuse cases.

      Courtney, an educated MOTHER of a toddler, not speaking out for Ayla if she witnessed Justin (or Lance or Pheobe or Elisha) hurting his baby girl on December 16th at Violette, doesn't make sense.
      Furthermore, what doesn't add up, is that Courntey would get on this crazy train of deception if Ayla wasn't even in the home during that visit with Justin on December 16th. Any normal astute, beautiful, educated woman with a child and a bright future cementing the lies of a loser like Justin would not happen.
      Any real mother would throw a piece of trash like that under the bus so fast. In fact they would call 911. I would if I witnessed any sort of child abuse or suspected it. However, it is starting to make more sense. Courtney may have been the one to hurt baby Ayla or placed her in harms way by having someone take her to settle a drug debt. Remember baby Shaniya Davis?
      The new information at hand makes the whole situation much more plausible - a woman not sticking up for a child.
      And Gosh DAMMIT why isn't Pheobe in JAIL for hindering the investigation...? I can't ask it enough.

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    4. Courtney would NEED!!! to buy into the Super Jessica Ninja Theory as the person acting on Trista's behalf. Something goes on over on JSTL that is related to the whole non-maternal clique. Derek, Selena, maybe Heidi occasionally posting. Anything to simply not look Justin square in the face and say "You murdered Ayla." They'll do anything to have that not be a part of their reality. Couldn't happen to them, to chosen by fate.

      Its the old "Hitler had a dog and a girlfriend." theory.
      Because someone is nice to you means they are good always.

      Absolutely not true and proven everyday by the news.
      "I couldn't believe it was him/her, seemed such a nice person."

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    5. I don't believe any of the individuals can be charged just yet. Hindering, obstruction, manipulating evidence, CHILD ABUSE, CHILD NEGLECT, IMO is going to require that LE show too much of thier hand to prosecute yet. They are waiting for when they can bring the top charges to the most responsible at one time without giving out all the evidence. That is why they were so vehement about the beat down of JL by LD was not related. No requirements to show the states hands. JMO

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  29. Joining Late: But this makes me feel like Courtney may have had more to do with baby Ayla's disappearance than I ever thought before. Unless she still did not know, however if she is like me and most other women, she sensed something with her man.
    I read the news and all I could mutter was a "w w whhhaaat? WOW!"

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    1. Welcome back Mercedes. I was just as shocked as you when I read this yesterday. And my reaction was not much different either. You may have missed a post a bit ago by Wordman but he says, LE informed Trista they had spoken with Courtney in regards to this information. Trista felt LE may have been stretching that a bit.

      I think Wordman has done a great job with this story!!

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    2. Thanks John P- good to be here! In regards to Courtney "knowing" I was speaking of the cheating before baby Ayla went missing. I can't believe that after LE gave her that info she STILL is with him... Fishy! Fishy! Fishy! Just like the detective said, "...doesn't pass the straight face test."

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    3. I didnt think LE told her ,I thought that part they were joking about LE telling her.

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    4. Thanks Wordman,so she was told and did stand by her man anyway? She better follow him everywhere he will do it again.

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    5. Mercedes, Kit brought up a very good point earlier in the thread. The way Courtney and Justin process rationale thought is definately different then ours. I know if I was cheated on repeatedly, I would no longer be married. I believe you feel the same. Some women believe they are not doing something or doing too much and forcing the man to look elsewhere, however misguided.

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  30. I just don't think it could have been Courtney because I don't think Justin would risk going to prison or any of this for her. He only thinks of himself and even if he wanted Courtney to hurt Ayla and wanted this to happen he would still tell the police what he knew so he could get what he wanted and still have no risk of going to prison. Unless if he really dont know what happend to Ayla and Courtney really did do it, but that's just what I'm thinking at the moment

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    1. Brother and sister sticking together is one thing, but I don't see a girlfriend covering for a boyfriend or a boyfriend for a girlfriend, unless they all have some level of responsibility in what happened. I don't know if they hurt her or not. Through the media I saw their behavior after Ayla vanished from their care. If I don't pay attention to anything said about them, and I pay attention only to what they told and done since they reported her missing, I am still sure in one thing, their attitude and mostly Justin's words tell, they are witholding information, and some of them or all of them know what happened to Ayla.

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    2. Yeah, except friends will lie/cover for each other too, even in serious situations IF they believe the lie will be "easy to get away with".

      In THIS CASE those helping to cover-up the crime probably thought that with all of these "corroborating witnesses", there would be NO WAY for LE to prove it didn't happen just as they said it did...

      It only became apparent this WASN'T SO, after they had all LIED to LE already.

      Push come to shove they will likely ALL turn on whomever they HAVE TO.
      But, since NO ARRESTS HAVE BEEN MADE, there has been no NEED to for anyone to admit they are lying, or to tell what they know.

      The fact that Phoebe and Elisha "have their OWN" lawyer, WITHOUT Justin, speaks volumes about how willing they will be to go down for him, IMHO!!

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    3. ITA VTLady. I think the dominos will fall when the TIDE starts to roll!!

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  31. .... And I really don't think his family would risk it for Courtney it seems to me Phoebe only cares for her own kids she obviously doesn't care for Ayla that much so I can't see her looking out for Courtney

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  32. I wonder if Elisha and Courtney's babies received bruises, pulled leg muscles, broken arms, like Ayla did in her short time there. After all, they were around before Ayla showed up. Were there falls with babies in arm, too much rough housing, baby fights in ball pits.

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    1. I think the other kids are probably way better taken care of and more loved then Ayla was/is. Didn't Justin ask Trista for Ayla's SS# so Pheobe could make her a savings account for collage like she did for gabby but I don't think she got Ayla that account I think Justin just wanted Ayla's SS# so he could get the life insurance and claim her on his taxes. You know it sounds more like Justin to get/safe money from Ayla deffinatly not give her money for collage. If the SS# & account thing is wrong or right let me know I don't know to much about that.

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    2. What you have said is the way I remember it as well. The one thing I don't know is if Gabby actually had a CSP in her name before the "disappearance"? Has anyone heard more on this?

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  33. This is an off the wall question but has Trista been confirmed to be bipolar? Reason I ask is today it was posted on the JSTl blog and this is not the first time I have seen that posted there. I was not ever aware Trista confirmed whether she was bipolar to the public. Even if she is bipolar if she has not given permission for someone to release that diagnosis publicly, causing her to be viewed negatively in that aspect, that is a big no no. Also if Trista is bipolar and the information on the other blog was obtained by violating health privacy laws that also is a big no no. Something to consider for those who wish to state information such as this as actual fact if it has not been confirmed.

    Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, traducement, slander (for transitory statements), and libel (for written, broadcast, or otherwise published words)—is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image. This can be also any disparaging statement made by one person about another, which is communicated or published, whether true or false, depending on legal state. In Common Law it is usually a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defamed (the claimant).[1]

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  34. "Holy Toledo, Batman!"

    We knew The Minions would try and spin this in the DiPs favor, but the newest blogpost over in crazy-town, likens Trista's withholding from the public the exact number of "encounters" she had with Justin, to being "NO DIFFERENT" than the SHAM INTERVIEW Pheeb's gave on CNN, in an attempt at alibying her kids'/CR's "abduction" story!!

    Can we say: "Comparative Illustration"...FAIL?

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    1. Not telling the public how many times you had sex,compare to lying about being in the house when a child is missing.No difference,what an idiot.

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    2. There is no need for anyone to know how many times they were intimate but there is a huge need for them to tell what happenend to Ayla!

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  35. My head is spinning. I have so many questions.

    Could Ayla have been gone prior to 12/16? Sure would like a timeline for her the week prior to her disappearance.

    Could that be why Phoebe screwed up with the "was home/wasn't home" remark? Maybe she really was home when the "event" occurred, but it happened a week earlier.

    Is the blood on the sheets the reason LE stated "some" of the blood in the basement was Ayls's? Is there more? Or is the
    rest of the blood Ayla's?

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    1. IDK if I would term it "screwed up"...more like she "used it"...as the basis of her parallel LIE during the CNN interview!
      JMO/MOO

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    2. And I most definately believe the harm to Ayla occured well before the 16th. I personally believe it was the evening of the 8th or morning/afternoon the 9th. JMO though

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  36. So many more questions than answers now...but i cannot see Elisha covering for Courtney.. Justin has to be involved for Elisha to not talk. I believe Elisha may of helped in the clean up..but i just dont get the feeling she was the main reason Ayla is missing. I believe she took alot of the pics. of Gabby and Ayla playing..I believe her fear of what can happen to Gabby is keeping her silent..oh i dont know,,just thinking out loud..
    Robin C.

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    1. It is hard to believe Li would cover solely for Courtney. It would have to be for Justin and Courtney gets the same cover as a side note. The questions are, and always have been,

      When did the need for a cover-up arise?
      Who was there when the "incident occured?
      What story was told to Li, Phoebe and Lance to include them in the cover-up?
      When was lance told?
      How was the cover-up performed in such a sloppy fashion?

      Keep thinking out loud Robin C. because eventually the answers will be known!!

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    2. I can see Elisha covering for anyone if there were drugs in the house and she thought she could lose custody of her daughter.

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  37. Courtney you better check Justins sheets again!

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  38. So this revelation explains why CR laughed at Trista - revenge!

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  39. ohhhhh Pleeeeze--I have heard enough on the "other side" about how great, smart and educated, hard working moms Courtney and Elisha are!!

    Now let's get down to the basics here.

    Good ole moms with babes are now allowed to get help from the State of Maine to further their education-to get off the welfare roll!
    Both girls get their tuition paid, their child care paid, money for books and laptops, and transportation cost to and from school!!

    As far as hard working-they both have practicums where they go into a business in their field of study, to learn on site!! They DO Not get a paycheck! This is for experience only!

    Tired of the other site saying how smart these girls are!

    No-they are just sly as foxes, getting their free drug money plus being out there to make more drugs sales, by meeting more people!

    The only smart thing about this, is that once their ass is locked up-we , the people of the State of Maine-will no longer have to support these sleezy, low-lifes!

    1. It will save the State of Maine alot of money.

    2. It will cut down on the distribution of drugs.

    3. It Will bring justice to Ayla

    4. It will save the lives of these two little children. Aiden and Gabby

    5, These free loaders will really find out, what it means to work! Laundry duty can be a pretty shitty job!

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  40. What does ITA mean?

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