Saturday, May 5, 2012

Apples To Oranges



It has been said before many times by Justin DiPietro's defenders that child abductions that take place in the middle of the night from the home are common. Statistics have been quoted (although they were incorrect, based on the circumstances of this case) that led readers to believe that this happens to about 2000 children a day on average.  Unfortunately, cases of children who are reported missing from their beds in the middle of the night have become more prevalent in the recent years. Is there a rise in actual kidnappings or is it a rise in parents who kill their children accidentally or purposely and call to report a fake kidnapping instead of taking responsibility for their unforgivable actions?

I have seen all of the comparisons between Ayla's case and cases of other missing children. In my opinion Ayla's story is most like Lisa Irwin's case. The story given by the parents is almost exact. The ages of Lisa and Ayla were only about a year apart which put them in the same age bracket statistically. Although Lisa's blood was not reported to have been found in the home, a cadaver dog hit on a scent near the mother's bed. We don't know if a cadaver dog hit in DiPietro's house or not, that hasn't been released but we have been told that blood belonging to Ayla was found near his bed also. There have been no confirmed sightings of Lisa to date, nor any of Ayla.  There is also the behavior of the parents to factor in, both have stopped working with LE, LE has publicly stated that they feel Ayla's father is not telling the truth and Lisa Irwin's mother claims LE told her the same thing. Justin and Deborah both have taken lie detector tests but both claim they were not told the results, both have retained attorneys.  It is almost as if Deborah Bradley and Justin DiPietro purchased the same manual on how to report a fake kidnapping and get away with it.


Heidi Tudela once compared Ayla's case to that of Elizabeth Smart. I find the comparison to be reaching and an insult to Ed, Lois and Elizabeth Smart. Why didn't Heidi compare the case to Lisa Irwin's case? Likely because she thinks Deborah Bradley is guilty and it would not do Justin any favors to be compared to Lisa Irwin.


On Jan. 28, Department of Public Safety Spokesman Steve McCausland said investigators believe that Justin DiPietro, his sister Elisha and girlfriend Roberts aren’t telling police everything they know about Ayla’s disappearance. He added that investigators hadn’t found any evidence to support a kidnapping, that the scenario that someone snuck into a small house with three adults inside and took a baby doesn’t pass the “straight-face test.”
Heidi Tudela disagrees.

“When McCausland says it doesn’t pass a straight-face test, I guess I don’t understand that,” she said. “It is possible. It does happen.”

Tudela acknowledged that nighttime kidnappings within a home are rare, but cited Salt Lake City teenager Elizabeth Smart as one example.

“If you’re quiet enough,” she said. “If you’re someone who knows the house, for example, then you can be in and out of the house really fast.

“Everybody thinks that is so outrageous and crazy, and yet, the alternative to them is so much more believable — that he would harm this child and then talk other people into covering for him, two of which (Elisha DiPietro and Roberts) have babies and are very loving moms.”
The rest of Ben McCanna's interview with Heidi and Darrell Tudela can be read here



Elizabeth Smart was 14 years old when she was abducted from her home in the middle of the night at knife point. There was a witness, Elizabeth's sister, who shared a room with Elizabeth. There was an obvious point of entry, a screen window had been cut open with a knife.

Ayla Reynolds was not yet 2 years old when her father reported her missing. His claim was that someone entered the house in the middle of the night and took Ayla. There were no witnesses, there was no obvious point of entry and those in the home had no idea if they had left any windows or doors unlocked. Law Enforcement was quick to point out in a press conference early on that it was impossible for someone to have accessed the house by a window because they could not be opened from the outside. It was unlikely  a member of the family left a window open since it was the middle of December.

Immediately Ed Smart went on television, begging and pleading with the kidnapper to bring his daughter home. The family started working with the Laura Recovery Center and thousands searched for days looking for any trace of Elizabeth and her captor. Police interviewed hundreds of possible suspects but because of the lack of any usable physical evidence the investigation was hindered. The Smarts continued to use the media and websites to keep Elizabeth name and face out there, they did everything they possibly could in order to bring their daughter home.

Justin DiPietro did not address the media or the "kidnapper" until 3 days after Ayla went missing and then when he finally did address the kidnapper it was in the form of a written statement. Justin did not speak again until Ayla had been missing for two weeks and again it was in the form of a written statement, this time read by LE during a press conference.  Meanwhile, Ayla's mother, was talking to anyone who would allow her to, begging for her daughter back. She was ripped apart by the public for going to rehab, which led to Justin taking physical custody of Ayla but she did not back down. She kept Ayla's name and image in the spotlight.  Justin finally went on camera to speak for Ayla on January 2nd. He announced that he was willing to do anything it takes to get Ayla home. He was also working with the Laura Recovery Center and that they advised him to talk to the media, he made excuses for not talking in the past by saying that LE had advised him not to talk to the media for fear of hindering the investigation and that he was emotionally incapable of speaking out for his daughter.  LE denied ever telling Justin that and The Laura Recovery Center has confirmed that Justin never returned their calls. Trista and her family made themselves available online to answer questions from the media and the public. Justin has been in hiding and has his best friend's mother and her cousin, whom he hasn't seen since he was eight years old, speaking for him online in their top secret facebook page. His aunt Selena has taken up residence at a blog and has shed some light on the morality and ethics of his family.



Five days after Elizabeth Smart was abducted, her father took and passed a polygraph test. Law Enforcement stated that the family was being very cooperative even after LE scrutinized them.



Justin DiPietro took a polygraph and claimed he "smoked it", he then said LE did not show him the actual results so he did not know how he did. LE again refuted this claim and publicly stated that Justin was told his results and knows how he did. I was told by someone who knows Justin that He told them about the test right after he took it and that he had failed his test miserably. LE has repeatedly stated publicly that Justin and the others in the house that night are not being honest with them and more recently that they are not cooperating with LE. Justin of course has denied this, claiming that communication is a two way street and that LE will not give him any answers and that he has already told LE all he has to say. LE has publicly praised Trista Reynolds for all she is doing to keep Ayla's name and face out there.

Four months after Elizabeth Smart was abducted, there was a confirmed sighting of her in Lakeside, California. She ends up being found alive five months later and brought home to her family.

Ayla Reynolds has been gone almost five months, there have been no sightings of her, confirmed or otherwise since she was reported missing.

Elizabeth Smart was more of a stereotypical kidnapping. She was in the 12-14 age group which has the highest rate of being kidnapped, Ayla was atypical, if she was in fact kidnapped.  Ages 6-11 are the second most commonly kidnapped ages. Infants up to 6 months of age come next. Children Ayla's age are almost never kidnapped by strangers and when the few that have been are, they are most commonly taken outside, whether playing in their neighborhoods or playgrounds.

Elizabeth Smart came from an affluent family, typically when children are kidnapped by strangers, it is because the kidnapper is looking for a ransom or the kidnapper was fixated on the child and wanted to keep  her for themselves as in Elizabeth's case. Ayla's family is not wealthy. There was no ransom note and although it is possible that the perpetrator wanted to keep Ayla for himself/herself, usually that comes after they have had a chance to watch the child and become fixated on them. It has been reported by Ayla's neighbors that most of them were not even aware she was living there and she had only been living there a short time. It seems highly unlikely that this was the case. Children Ayla's age are most likely abducted by a family member or non custodial parent and although Trista Reynolds has not officially been ruled out as a suspect, LE have made it pretty clear that they do not view her as a suspect. In fact, they have made it pretty clear that there is no evidence to support that Ayla was even abducted at all.

Elizabeth Smart was put through hell in those nine months she was held captive, her parents were in agony and did what was necessary to get their daughter home and those efforts paid off. Justin DiPietro is no Ed Smart and if Ayla really was kidnapped as Justin claims, instead of comparing Elizabeth's ordeal to the stark reality of what probably happened to baby Ayla, Heidi should have shown Justin what a truly concerned parent does when their child has been abducted so maybe he could follow suit although there is no need to take examples from others when your pain is real and not an act. Justin's actions and the actions of those he surrounds himself with further validate my beliefs that Justin knows exactly what happened to Ayla Reynolds and she was not abducted so comparing the two cases are like comparing Apples to Oranges.






**Edited the article and added a link
Correction-LE did not publicly state they thought Deborah Bradley was lying, Deborah publicly stated that LE told her this.  Also Deborah took a polygraph test and although LE did not tell the media she failed, Deborah told the media that LE informed her she failed. She says she was not allowed to see the results. This information just further backs up my comparison of Justin and Deborah. They both are thought to have failed the polygraph and both are quick to say that they have never seen the results.









207 comments:

  1. nice comparison story. Is it known if the kidnapper of elizabeth smart was stalking her and preying on her first?

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    1. He had repaired a roof for the family so had plenty of time to see her and fixate on her, he also tried to kidnap Elizabeth's cousin, who probably looked similar to Elizabeth.

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    2. J4A, excellent story. I am getting two themes to it though. Please correct me if I am wrong.

      As Aylas Angel correctly stated, it is a comparison story to show that no two missing child cases are the same. Though the Baby Lisa case is closer to this case than E. Smart, there are still differences from that case as well.

      The second theme I saw was how frequently LE verifies correct information, refutes incorrect information, but will not verify or refute anything if it may jeopardize the investigation.

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    3. John,
      The purpose of writing this for me was one to reiterate how unlikely the supposed abductions of Ayla and Lisa Irwin are based on the statistics we have based on stranger abductions. In my opinion, neither Lisa Irwin or Ayla Reynolds were kidnapped and look how similar their cases are from the report of the kidnapping to what transpires afterwards. Elizabeth Smart was in fact kidnapped and has been compared to both cases but there are many mitigating factors that do not match up.

      Of course no two cases are going to be exactly the same, there are different circumstances to all but out of all of the cases we currently know about Lisa's case and Ayla's case mirror each other in many ways. Elizabeth's case was very different.

      You are correct though as far as LE's statements and it goes to show in all of these cases, LE believed the Smarts and publicly stated so just as they have stated they believe Trista. Funny how they have said the opposite about Lisa's mother and Justin DiPietro. Coincidence? Or LE know more than they have released and have reason to believe both are guilty?

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    4. Thank ou Tori. Your question at the end, "LE knowing more about both Deborah an Justin leading them to believe they are guilty?" this is very thought provoking IMO. Great story!!

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  2. Per Heidi:

    “If you’re quiet enough,” she said. “If you’re someone who knows the house, for example, then you can be in and out of the house really fast."

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    I'm getting the feeling that Heidi (among others) know what happened. This statement sounds to me, like making the easiest, most convenient lie. Blaming Trista ans/or Jessica. It's been debated back and forth, what, if anything, Heidi really knows. If she knew absolutely NOTHING, wouldn't she assume it was a stranger, especially since Justin spoke to "not her parent"?

    How disturbing!! How can someone blame something like this on an innocent Mother, who clearly loves and misses her baby?? JUST to take blame, guilt and focus off the other "parent". That's just not right...

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    1. I concur Kit. The pathetic excuses used are just that, pathetic! They even went so far as to blame Justin Linnel as an abductor that couldn't tell the difference between Gabby and Ayla. All this to make thier excuses fit. Bottom line, "there is no evidence to support a kidnapping"!! LE has stated this on many occassions.

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    2. You can be really fast and quiet if you already live there, too! Heidi clearly has a stake in Ayla's disappearance. I'm just not sure how she is involved just yet other than through Derek, which doesn't justify her level of support--I think DT just unwittingly sold JD a LIP and didn't realize how it was going to play out later. So did DT help JD hide Ayla? Was he there that night? Were they partying together? Did JD supply drugs to them? He must have something on the TDs to have their ongoing support....

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    3. Heather, I would be interested to see a reporter ask those very questions of Dereks wife. She is the one that needs to have a heart. She worked in a daycare, she is with her son daily. Derek has put thier family and thier son in the middle of this. Does she realize what he has done to thier family??

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    4. You can go slow too, take your time if you want... Like say, a week or so...

      I've heard rumors of a party(s), that night and/or a different night, leading up to that night. I wish there was some credible info about this.

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    5. Heather: I agree. I haven't been able to understand Heidi's commitment to JD and this case either. I do find it POSSIBLE she ONLY knew of the LIP and just panicked, realizing the way it could make her son LOOK both in the eyes of the public AND LE. On the other hand she COULD be in it over her head, along with her son, if they were involved with Aylas disappearance, if she "cared" for Ayla, at her day care, if they/ or DT helped with a fake kidnapping to "save" Ayla from going back to Trista or "saved" Justin from a conviction by helping to cover an " accident"... whatever- they've REALLY stepped in it now !

      You know how the saying goes: they walked through the roses but came out smellin' like shit!

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    6. Ladybug, I have heard the Elisha was sick of baby sitting, Phoebe may have been watching Ayla when JD was "out", and Justin not having a job he should have been watching Ayla primarily. I have not heard the "puppy pound" saying she was going to the daycare. With al most 5 months gone, you would think Heidi would have said something about how great it was to have Ayla at daycare if she had been watching Ayla. That eliminates that scenario but any of your other scenarios are plausible for sure!

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  3. Pretty obvious Heidi is doing t to protect her dickless son.

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  4. I don't see this Baby Ayla case as like the Lisa Irwin case at all. In Baby Lisa's case both parents appear to be living together as a loving family unit with no hint of a custody dispute at all. They appear to have wanted to raise Baby Lisa together.

    In stark contrast, in Baby Ayla's case, the parents were in a love triangle. The parents were feuding over the custody, and the father had just packed up and moved permanently out of the mother's area of Portland. The mother apparently was in love with the father and must have felt devastated when he moved out of Portland permanently. The mother's text messages clearly showed that she was jealous of the girlfriend and resented the girlfriend playing the role of 'mother' with Baby Ayla. These circumstances present a strong and compelling demonstration of MOTIVE to snatch Baby Ayla out of the home. Such a motive is completely absent in the Baby Lisa case.

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    1. I read your comment and I have three immediate problems with your rationale;
      1. The "motive" you speak of was not present in the Smart case either.
      2. You chose the one element that differs from baby Lisa, but ignor the dozen that were pointed out in the story.
      3. LE has stated over and over, there is no evidence to support an abduction.
      What you succesfully did with your comment was show that;
      1. You also are saying that LE is incompetant.
      2. You succesfully accused Trista again, even though LE has eliminated the abduction scenario.
      3. You completely missed the entire entents of the story. That being that Aylas case is a unique case into itself, as is every missing child case. Tori was simply pointing out that Heidis' reference to E. Smart is much more dissimilar to this case than the Baby Lisa case is. Every case is different, though.

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    2. In reading this story, I took two main themes from the story.

      1. That Ayla Bell Reynolds missing child case is like no other. There are similarities to others but none the same.
      2. LE has refuted false accusations and claims, they have verified other accusations and claims. Because of this, the blood, LIP, abuse, and lies are now varifiable to the most extent possible without compromising the investigation. For example, they verified Aylas blood, then verified it was more that a small cut would leave. They did not refute Jeffs claim of over a cupful. I can reasonably now assume that Aylas blood spill was more than a cupful. This premise can be applied to many pieces of evidence that Heidi, you, and Justin supporters refute as not being verified by LE.

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    3. I happen to agree very much with Get Real.

      The Lisa Irwin case is not at all similar to Ayla's case.
      Also J4A had some facts about Lisa's case wrong.

      Yes, in respects to the theme of the article, the Elizabeth Smart case is not a good comparison either.

      That being said I do understand why the Elizabeth Smart case came to her mind.

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    4. Anon, I respect that you believe Trista had motive. She probably did if you believe one sided texts. I can't form an opinion on the texts without the other side and I don't think Jeff or LE should release them. My questions though,

      1. How do you sliminate LE saying there was no kidnapping,
      2. Who are you referring to when you say, the Elizabeth Smith case came to HER mind?

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    5. *"Eliminate LE saying"*

      One other question, the motive I see but the abduction does not account for the blood spilled. Why doesn't JD come forward and explain the blood?

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    6. If I have facts about Lisa Irwin's case, please correct me or anyone reading please correct me and I will edit the story. My information was gleaned from articles on the internet, I could have interpreted them incorrectly or the articles I read could have been false. I would appreciate the opportunity to fix any errors I have made. Thanks

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    7. LE said that they have - no evidence to support - the theory of an abduction.
      IMO that doesn't exclude that one may have happened.

      I was saying that I understand why Heidi referred to the Elizabeth case.

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    8. Anon, "no evidence to support", such as no break in, no ransom, no-one waken by an intruder, no anything leads me to form a logical conclusion that the abduction did not occur. I am not trying to change your mind, I want you to understand why I said "LE says there was no kidnapping". That and the FBI Child Abduction Team leaving the sight so quickly. But we each have to form our own opinion. I respect that you stated your opinion respectfully.

      But it still does not explain the blood or the lack of public pleas by the paternal family.

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    9. J4A,
      It is not my intention to be nit-picky, but I have & do follow the Lisa Irwin case very closely. Probably more so than Ayla's. Although both babies have found a place in my heart.

      You said.--"LE has publicly stated that they feel both Lisa's mother and Ayla's father are not telling the truth, Lie detector tests were failed by both Justin DiPietro and Deborah Bradley"

      First LE has never said publicly that they feel Debra is not telling the truth. LE has never made any statements about polygraph test in regards to Debra.

      John,
      As to your question--Why doesn't Justin come forward and answer questions pertaining to the blood.
      I have no idea why he doesn't, and can't begin to explain why.

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    10. Anon, you are correct and I will fix it, actually Deborah told the media that LE told her that she was lying. LE did not release that to the media. As far as the polygraph, I will recheck but I had read that she kept making excuse after excuse and then finally took one and failed, she then was asked to let her boys be interviewed and refused. I will adjust the story as soon as I research some more on the polygraph. Thank you for clarifying for me.

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    11. Anon, I am sorry you got hit with all these questions. I originally wanted to ask Get Real who made the original comment, but I thank you for a logical debate. It is refreshing to have these debates when everyone is respectful of the others opinions.

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    12. AnonymousMay 5, 2012 04:07 PM

      I understand there is not 100% proof that a abduction didn't happen. But, there is no evidence at all that a abduction did indeed happen. No evidence even of a break in. Can we now know the mysterious oddities please? I mean are LE still keeping that info secret or are the Dips? Maybe Trista could ask LE if that is top secret information. Maybe it is, but I would like to hear from LE that is still evidence.

      Then you add in the fact that there was Ayla's blood by Justin's bed. Trista is a mother with a mother's rights who was no longer being allowed to talk to or see Ayla. Publicly no independent person has said they saw Ayla after the 8th of December. Ayla was not taken for medical care, with no reason given for this. You have previous comments by father someone may take Ayla from him. Sadly to me it seems astronomical if even that, that there is a possibility of Ayla being abducted.

      Heidi is distorting the possibility there could be a abduction. Including using false,or distorted and/or exaggerated numbers to make her point.

      Unfortunately I agree with J4A it IS APPLES TO ORANGES.

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    13. PUHLEEZ- GetReal! Get a CLUE!

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    14. J4A Deborah said (on GMA, I think) she failed a question about where is Lisa on the poly. I don't think police confirmed or denied.

      As far as the comparison, I was following Lisa's case and as soon as Ayla was reported missing thought the case sounded like a copycat case. The similarities are incredible. The window. The musical beds. The changing stories and cast of characters. The partying habits. The rivers close by.

      As far as loving family, there are lots of indications that Deborah and Jeremy had mega problems. That doesn't mean they didn't love their kids- all indications are they did- but their own relationship is not rosy. Just look at them.

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    15. I just wanted to say that LE did say Deborah Bradley failed her lie detector test. They said "failed miserably." That's where that term came from in this case. The statement was made by the FBI spokeswoman and quickly recanted by Steve Young. All evidence of that statement has disappeared. But those of us watching in real time remember it clearly. If anybody wonders why the term "failed miserably" is still found to be quoted in that case and is still floating around out there. . .it's because LE DID say it, only to recant it after the fact.

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    16. One more thing. . anybody that has followed the Lisa Irwin case closely knows that it is Deborah, not Debra. Get it right, Get Real.

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  5. I have to agree with anon above. I just can't imagine anyone putting themselves in the middle of this like HT has done to protect the friend of her son. She's gotta be protecting her son from something here.

    Fact is, nobody that was in that house has said what they think happened. If they thought Jessica or Trista took Ayla, you can be damned sure they'd say so. All they say is that they have no idea. I find that to be utter BS. The closest person to the case that has thrown blame that way is Selena and she simply isn't even close. She admits she's never actually asked Phoebe nor has Phoebe told her. Plus, the seems utterly crazy, treating the whole thing like some sort of game.

    The public is getting rightfully very frustrated. The Dip's will continue to be the primary suspects simply because they haven't said or done anything that would point any other way.

    I'm crossing my fingers that this case will be in front of the GJ next week. Trista deserves to know what happened to her daughter and Ayla deserves justice.

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  6. Those who condone murder lose their souls.
    To observe the circle of protectors you see soul less creatures.
    In order for Justin to murder and his circle to protect him they had to always be capable of such atrocity. Look in their eyes and you see only squirrels rummaging for nuts and cracking them open to feed. They need this.
    They are feral now having tasted innocence blood and losing their souls.

    Elizabeth Smart made an awesome comeback and testified at the trial.

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    1. That's interesting... And seems true.

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    2. Not sure if I got the true meaning, but I hope that these supporters are not so blind that they have assisted in the cover-up. I think we all know who has assisted, and they should be charged and tried accordingly. The others that do not have familial ties, I would hope are simply nieve and cannot see through the smoke screen of lies.

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    3. I don't know John P... There's a difference between naive and completely blind. That has to be some super thick smoke...

      I think the meaning was, to condone murder, one has to have always had it in their nature; it's not really something new, just because a murder(er) is close to them (friends).

      One who condones murder, loses their soul - not just the murderer.

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    4. I took a different meaning Kit. The way you explain it, makes alot more sense than when I read it. That is my fault.

      The Tudelas, Roberts, Dipietros, Obscure, Selena and A Harry are all seeing clearly and ignoring the facts to help cover up whatever they know. For that they should all be tried. When I spoke of being naive (thanks for the spelling) I was being kinda sarcastic. or trying to anyways. I don't think there is smoke enough to hide all the evidence and facts of this case.

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    5. That was the way I took it. Maybe there is a different meaning.

      I at least hope if those not DIRECTLY involved, who can't or aren't tried legally, will be tried and pay (to a higher being).

      Lol about the spelling of naive. I didn't even notice the difference. I think your spelling is common too. Now I'm questioning my spelling of it... :)

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    6. I think your spelling is correct, mine was phonetic. LOL

      There is no doubt they will pay for what they have done, hopefully both to common law and God's Law!

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  7. Get Real:
    "The mother's text messages clearly showed that she was jealous of the girlfriend and resented the girlfriend playing the role of 'mother' with Baby Ayla"
    I disagee with this. In a polite manner.
    We only saw one side of the messages. When I read them, it seemed to me that Justin was the angry resentful one wrt past events. But, unless we have the entire set of messages, who knows.
    ....
    Ayla being gone solved alot of problems for Justin & Courtney. For Justin it was probably money, time and being a Dad that took his time and attention away from being a single guy.It's hard work to look after a 2 year old. He took her for visits 5 times ?
    For Courtney, Ayla was nothing to her, just a reminder that her man had this prior relationship and if he saw Ayla, then they both had to deal with Trista. Which was probably intrusive. Justin & Courtney are a couple and Trista intruded on this by just being there because of Ayla.
    It's about time for LE to do something, else what ?

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    1. Possibilities, possibilities, possibilities,

      Possibilities for Courtney:

      1. She never saw Ayla the night of the 16th because she got there after Ayla was supposedly asleep and believed Justin when he said she was in 'bed'.

      a. Consequence: she just realized that Justin may have been lying about Ayla being there that night and she goes to the police now with her concerns. She won't be charged with anything, because she honestly believed Justin was telling the truth at the time.

      2. She knew Ayla was missing and not there and lied along with the rest of the family to protect whoever harmed and hid Ayla.

      a. Consequence: too late, she's in as deep as the perpetrators of the crime against Alya.

      Possibilities for Phoebe:

      1. She knows everything that happened and is covering up. The reason I believe this is that she made a conscience decision to not be in her home that night of the supposed "kidnapping".

      a. Consequence: too late, she's in as deep as the perpetrators of the crime against Alya (may even be the perpetrator).

      Possibilities for Elisha:

      1. She never saw Ayla the night of the 16th because she got there after Ayla was supposedly asleep and believed Justin when he said she was in 'bed'.

      a. Consequence: she just realized that Justin may have been lying about Ayla being there that night and she goes to the police now with her concerns. She won't be charged with anything, because she honestly believed Justin was telling the truth at the time.

      2. She knew Ayla was missing and not there and lied along with the rest of the others to protect whoever harmed and hid Ayla.

      a. Consequence: too late, she's in as deep as the perpetrators of the crime against Alya.
      Possibilities for Justin:

      1. He never saw Ayla the night of the 16th because when he arrived there, someone else had put Ayla to bed. He did not go in an check, because he believed the person who said she was sleeping. .

      a. Consequence: he just realized that the person (who said Ayla was sleeping) may have been lying about Ayla being there that night and he goes to the police now with his concerns. He won't be charged with anything, because he honestly believed the person was telling the truth at the time.

      2. He knew Ayla was missing and not there and lied along with the rest of the others to protect whoever harmed and hid Ayla.

      a. Consequence: too late, he's in as deep as the perpetrators of the crime against Alya.

      Just possibilities.

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    2. Anon, It appears you have put alot of thought into both of your statements. I like you possibilities, possilbilities, possibilities. Can you define the last though. I don't see a name above it. Are you refering to Justin or Derek. Recall Derek claimed his son had a playdate with Ayla on the 16th.

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    3. Possibilities for Justin, but it wasn't spaced correctly! :(

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    4. I see it now. Again, I see alot of thought in it. I like the post as a whole.

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    5. Plus the fact these messages were texted after Ayla went missing, no evidence of Trista being jealous of Co. before the disappearance.

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    6. Grace, That is an excellent point to further make me think Trista may have been coached with those texts.

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    7. Anon@3:59, I think your post is excellent.

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  8. J4A, great job of making your point. ITA!

    Ed and Lois Smart were so amazing. And IIRC there was a lot of rumors and accusations for a while. Nothing detered them from looking for Elizabeth.

    The original story about a 'benevolent' type kidnapping? Pfft! I wonder what the statistics are on 'benevolent kidnappings if there are even any? And now from this article Ayla does not even fit the age nor the normal place and time - for a abduction. Not to mention in a small home with 3 adults present.

    Trista was speaking out for Ayla alone with out Ayla's father by her side! Justin was not speaking out anywhere for that matter. And then Trista deigning to publicly ask Justin to talk to her and tell her what he knows! They had to 'run into each other' at a vigil, for Justin to talk face to face to the mother of his missing baby girl.

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    1. So true ms.p!

      Why wasn't Justin working WITH Trista? Together or not, in love or not, whether he even liked her or not, should not matter. Ayla, THEIR daughter, is missing. That should have been more than enough reason to work together. I can only think of one reason why he didn't do that, and it's not that he thought Trista/Jessica kidnapped Ayla. THAT would cause an innocent parent to attemp to get closer to the one they think is guilty (...keep your enemies closer).

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    2. You know MsP., your comment about Trista being alone until she called JD out on national TV is the main reason I believe the texts sent by Trista may not have all been her own. She may have been coached a bit to get replies documented. Maybe that is also why Obscure was trying so vehemently to get Jeff to release JD's replies, to see what is going to be used as evidence? Just a thought.

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    3. John P!, Oh I think so too. When I first saw, I did not realize the dips hoped there would be a response with JD's texts. But when I realized, I knew Jeff is to smart to fall for that. All along, Jeff has been very careful not to compromise any part of LE investigating Ayla being missing!

      If I may add, I think Justin also underestimated Trista and took advantage of her when she was vulnerable and scared. Now he has to wonder what she/they have! Things are on the other foot. I wish I could ask Justin, what do you think now? Your not so in charge any more, are you Justin? Do you now know what it feels like to be the one vulnerable and afraid Justin? (shaking my head!) I just wish he would tell what happened!

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    4. Unfortunately MsP. I believe Justin lacks the courage or the heart of a father to answer any questions directly. It is my belief that the only time he will answer questions directly is when he goes to trial. JMO

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    5. John P, you bring up something interesting. If Justin is actually tried for whatever happened to Ayla, will he testify in his own defense? Is he so convinced of his lies that he believes he can withstand cross-examination from the prosecution? I doubt Justin or any of his handlers thinks that's the case. He can't even defend himself to the public, why would he try to do it with a jury when his life (sentence) is on the line?

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    6. *sigh* That's true Anon. I get the feeling he probably will not testify... :(

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    7. His attorney would be cracked to put him on the stand. His arrogance would not set well with a jury or judge.

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    8. anon, I am deferring to a couple of young ladies yesterday that explained an abusive personality and convinced me, Justins nature as an abuser is going to make him feel he can win over a jury with his words. I think and hope he does testify in his defense. Remember, he won't have his "puppy pound" testifying for him on the stand. Each time Trista called the abuser out, he responded.

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    9. John, sorry to confuse you possibly further about abusers, but abusers can be quite cowardice, as well... I think they actually lack self esteem, which is why they abuse/manipulate. I think he would only take the stand, if he really feels that he can fully manipulate an entire jury. I'm not so sure that would/will happen, but I DO hope he does, for Ayla's sake (take the stand, that is). I think it would be like the final nail in his coffin!

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    10. Honestly Kit, if you recall I had a dealing with an abuser that was a coward. You were not confusing, actually I found what you had to say rather educating.

      My hope is that the lawyer will tell Justin, we only need one person to win a trial and Justin will think he can manipulate one of the ladies on the jury. Just a hope, and I too think it would be the final screw (nails have a tendancy to come out over time) in his coffin!

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    11. Thanks John. I do recall your story too, I'm glad you stood up to the abuser!

      I see your point about only needing one person. I hadn't thought about that. Thanks for getting me thinking!

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  9. I agree completely. Justin said he would do everything and anything to get her back, I don't see him doing shit. If my child was missing I would be living at the police station. I would resort to anything and I mean anything to bring the child home. Probably some illegal stuff too.

    Justin and his clan know exactly what happened to Ayla. There's no doubt. This is a male version of Casey Anthony. I don't see him on the news pleading for his daughters return. Since his party believe so strongly that it was in fact a kidnapping. Why is it when I search the news, not one fucking peice of information pops up? Just past articles. What does he do all day? They say they are working getting billboards up all over the country. He probably isn't even doing that. His mom, sister, Lance, or Heidie is.

    There is no comparison in this case to Elizabeth Smart case, none!
    Besides the billboards put up, what else has he or his clan of ignoramuses done?
    Nothing. The more I read about this the more pissed and saddened I get.

    My fiancé and I had a baby just before this happened and I can't imagine what I would do if it happened to us. I know one thing, I would be one television or the radio every day. If it was ransom
    I would sell my one kidney to get my baby back. Probably both if I could.

    That's another thing too, he says for sure Ayla was kidnapped. How does he know?
    Why would someone kidnap Ayla anyways, there's no money in it. Then there's his fear that he confessed to Trista within the month of Ayla's disappearance. He's afraid someones going to take her.
    Oh bullshit. Everyone sees through him. I just can't believe he hasn't been arrested yet.
    I know they don't want to screw up the case, but damn. Almost five months later.
    I'm praying she is safe and returned to Trista every night.
    Pray for Ayla!

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    1. Well said! I'm pretty sure JD is being watched, they're just building their evidence for a case. HIs time will come, as it will for the others. The searches will continue, and there are way too many people involved in this case that statistically one of them will break down soon.....and there will an answer either way. I vote for the mental break down on the least psychotic member of the crew, just haven't figured out which one that is.

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  10. I love it when there is a post that sort of puts everything in prospective again as it is easy to get lost when my mind changes direction considerably on any given day concerning poor little Ayla missing.
    What is consistant is my sadness and anger.
    I don't understand how heidi can be so lame as to compare the two cases ! Does she think the rest of the entire population is stupid? If so, that shows an arrogance that has certainly rubbed off on derek as well.
    Where the hell is Ayla justin???????

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  11. OT Observation, IIRC, Heidi was bashing Trista for smiling on interviews, dancing at the vigil, eatting birthday cake, etc. Isn't Justin sniling in the photo above. Is this another double standard? Why is he not more somber and determined like the picture of Ed Smart?

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    1. Isn't that something?

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    2. Better to dance,and smile,then to hide and buy Booze like Justin.

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  12. yes he smiled in his second interview on channel 8 too,When he talked about putting posters on every corner in America.Just imagine how many more times he would smile if he dared to do more interviews.Who the hell smiles when talking about putting up posters of their missing child.

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    1. According to Heidi, only an attention monger. I am trying to be nice with the wording. :)

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  13. In reference to Grace's comment on the previous post: "...Someone is going to turn on Justin and Co. (because I can't spell out her name without wanting to vomit). Stay tuned to see who it will be!"

    If it is Heidi, I will literally fall over! I think it is someone that is not completely obvious to Justin, but, I cannot believe Heidi? Wouldn't that be something if she is undercover? LOL Uh! Oh! Did I just out Heidi?

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    1. How about Dereks wife, who is about to lose the lifestyle, her business, the Tudela Manse and have to do some fancy convincing to not lose her son? She is definately under the radar!

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    2. You know John I would never have considered Derek's wife. That is very interesting!

      I wonder if Justin counts possible turncoats instead of sheep to go to sleep at night? I wonder how many possibilities (sheep) there are. Every one also has their own interests at heart so...

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    3. She was actually the one I was asking Grace about when I asked if she was gonna do charts on the Tudelas.

      And I also believe Heidi is covering for more family members than just her son??

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    4. I have wondered about that? Well I guess we all are wondering about Heidi and her real motivations for it all. I think you don't want to be more specific right now? I guess there are only so many possibilities.

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    5. (Smiling ear to ear.) I will say, I am assuming Phoebe looked rather different 20-25 years ago. And if you are on state aide, how do you pay off your mortgage so quickly?? And more important, how do you do it when you work for the state and have three teenage kids to feed???

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    6. JP- Would one be involved in a cocaine trafficking ring that stems from the bar one frequents?

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    7. Ahh, oh Ahhhhh, really? That is a good point about teens and mortgages. Buttt, I guess it could be, but still? So you don't think Heidi would be resentful? She was willing to have the family including Phoebe come stay in her home? Maybe you don't mean an affair? But they helped Phoebe have a baby? I am sorry if I am being dense, I am getting sleepy, LOL. I guess you have to draw me a picture.

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    8. Heather, I think the reason he frequents the bar is not neccessarily the drugs, but more who works there.

      MsP. Who else is able to afford the ville over looking the Kennebec with all its' glory and splendor? If he can afford that, a littlehouse in downtown waterville don't seem too steep. If there was an infidelity back then that produced a prolonged relationship or bond, Heidi could easily allow Phoebe in the house as long as she is there. (Keep your enemies closer) This could explain the childhood friendship between Derek and Justin, the early payoff of the mortgage, and the rumored affair with a married man the evening of the 16th. Most importantly, this is a skeleton that I would definately do virtually anything to keep in the closet. Heidi has placed her business, her husbands business, her sons future, her grandsons future, her home, her lifestyle, all on the line to protect JD. There is a very big reason why???

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    9. Very interesting.....he just seems so out of her league....but maybe it's all the same in the dark?lol That would be quite a twist if true! Anyone want to gather some DNA for us to send out?:)

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    10. They say everyone looks good through the bottom of a bottle!

      As for the dna, i'll pass. Ireally think it is just a crazy thought I had that fit the question of Why?

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    11. Where was Heidi that night?

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    12. Chicky, I was thinking maybe 20-25 years ago. Back then they had alot of symposiums i think was term?

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    13. Phoebe lived in California from 1990 untill 1996. So did she return to waterville, buy a house quickly and had it paid for in 16 years or less? Must have been an inexpensive house to be able to do that. Unless of course she had the home before she left for california. How do we know her mortgage is all paid or did I read something wrong?

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    14. Thank You John, that does make sense. Now it is sinking in. And yes there is a very big reason for sure.
      Not sure if you also mean the fact her husband (if true) also did not actually parent and then Justin turned out not so great might also be part of the social judgement against them all. Maybe some might even blame them for everything. Hmmm, definitely some thing to think about.

      Heather LOL

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    15. Yes, John, we have all wondered who justins father is.
      Maybe hiedi and phoebs were having a girls night out, "THAT" night.
      I guess I can theorize about ANYTHING right?

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    16. JohnP, I don't really think it is of any note that Phoebe bought a little house in Waterville while having 3 kids and state job. The Maine State Housing Authority is very involved in creating homeownership opportunities for Mainers. Their programs give first time home buyers just a little extra borrowing power essentially, through lower interest rates, down payments and closing costs. I wouldn't be 15 years in my own home if it weren't for the same types of programs.

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    17. Sorry chicky, My assumptiom is based on Selena saying Phoebe needed to get away from things when she went to 29Palms. That is what started me thinking, why move to Cai then back after 6 years. I believe all three of the kids were born in 90 or earlier. This is all just my french mind running wild. No facts just trying to figure out why Heidi is puuting so much of her family on the line for Justin.

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    18. anon 7:57

      I am not saying it is impossible, I wish Maine had this progrom you speak of when I was growing up. Maybe the housing I grew up in wouldn't have been so full and in such demand. I am happy for you that it worked out for you. When my kids were growing up, I only had 2 teenage boys, and my grocery bills monthly exceeded rent every month. I could not have afforded a mortgage and I was also working for the government, US Army. I just find it to be difficult if she returned in 96, established herself and family, found a job, and still had her house paid off by now. And there are no factual documents, going off what Selena said.

      IIRC Selena also said Phoebe had 2 properties, or was that Selena herself?

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    19. Assuming phoebe bought a house as soon as she returned to maine and the house cost only 80,000 with ZERO percent interst rate with a payment of around 420.00 a month it would be paid off.

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    20. Taking into consideration that she needed training for her job and that it takes time to apply and process a loan of this type I would be hard pressed to think it could be paid in full in such a short period of time, Of course phoebe could have had more than one job I suppose or other live in adults who were paying a rent.

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    21. There was a Marine sticker on justins vehicle and 29 palms is the town closest to a large Marine base. I wonder if elisha was born there. Not that it matters, just curious. I will say it was probably good for the kids that she purchased a home and did not have to drag the kids around anymore.

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    22. In 1996 I went from paying $600/month plus utilities for a 2 bedroom apartment in a nice section of Portland to paying $590 a month for a mortgage (with taxes and insurance included) plus utilities for an $85k house in the suburbs of Portland. It was a loan through MSHA and it took perhaps two weeks longer to close the deal than a conventional mortgage would have just because MSHA was so strict on paperwork and inspections. I'm not going to slam Phoebe for buying a house and paying it off early. Good for her. That is a completely separate issue than her coverup in this case, and for that she deserves NO PASS. Got that Phoebe?

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    23. Home stability is always best for children Chicky. No arguement there. I am around Phoebes age and 420 a month back then was alot of money in Lewistons low income housing. Where I grew up there was constant over crowding and a waiting list to get in. I have never heard of a Zero % home loan. I know my mother was never aware of a Maine program that assisted families this way. It is a shame that life long residents don't know about that program but yet someone just returning from Maine is amde aware. I am just saying that the circumstances would be more understandable, as you kind of say, if there were an external source of income.

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    24. It's interesting that you bring up JD's paternity. I was digging around one night and found a Howard man. I could never figure out if he was HT's brother or AH'a brother or a cousin to both of them. But he resembled JD just enough to make me wonder.

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    25. *returning TO Maine is MADE*

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    26. Pheebs knew how to work the system within the culture of work as little as possible, collect as much as possible...why work when you can party while other people work?
      Uggh...that type of mentality burns me up..

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    27. That house in Waterville back in the 90's would have probably only cost in the area of $40K I think.

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    28. A one room camp with no septic or well in an area where properties were less expensive was 32,000 in 1989.

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    29. John, I was'nt saying that the program offered offered zero interest, I was meaning that under the BEST of circumstances she could possibly have paid it off but I doubt it.
      I also do not think that program was available then or I would have checked into it given the fact that I was newly divorve with two children with no place to go. I was able to buy a one room camp privatly through the owner otherwise it would have been public housing.
      A few years later a low interest home improvement loan was available at 2 to 4 percent interest rate with a cap of 15,ooo.
      Maybe at that same time home loans became available but i do not remember what year for sure.
      I agree, $420.00 was alot of money and I don't see how she could have done it without help from somewhere. If her income was high enough to pay for the home then she would not have qualified for that type of loan.

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    30. How long has she had her "State" job? What year did she start working there?

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    31. Sorry for starting this thread and then crashing last night. I would like to say that I was hoping to get a reason that my thought was as crazy as I imagined it to be.

      Kit, I do not know Phoebes employment history and I do not know the details of the mortgage. I just recall Selena saying Phoebe owned the house.

      Chicky, I misunderstood your comments about the housing programs available back when. I kinda went to sleep hoping that was the case so it would explain everything away and I could lose this crazy thought.

      Anon, I am in no way bashing Phoebe for owning the house. I think that she was able to do it is commendable in todays economy. Cheers to her! I was more trying to figure out why Heidi is SOOO deeply involved with protecting Justin. That is all. Phoebe will get what is due her for her part in Aylas disappearance.

      MsP. Thank you for your input. This thought has been bugging me for weeks now and I am happy to have had this discussion to help get the thought of my mind. Though parts of it are still nagging at me, it is more of a probably not now than before.

      To anyone with a possible solution as to Why Heidi would involve her family in the way to protect JD, please let me know. It has been bugging me from the beginning and IMO the LIP, though definately a part of the reason, is not reason enough for the jeopardy she has placed on her, her family, and the future of all in her family. JMO

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    32. I agree John. If the LIP was her ONLY reason, why would she have inserted herself so far into the case and defending her son's bff? She could have simply said, hmmm well D. did sell him a LIP, but I didn't/don't think it is a big deal and has nothing to do with Ayla missing (that I know of). Or even just say nothing really. If she had never said anything, no one would be questioning HER - she is the mother of her son's friend - that was all I thought of her, until she NEEDED to defend every single thing about Justin and every piece of evidence.

      If someone does not WANT to be involved, they don't HAVE to be. They say nothing, or direct the question to someone who might know: I don't know, you'll have to ask Justin/Derek/Phoebe/Elisha/courtney.

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    33. Chicky said:

      "Where was Heidi that night?"

      John has been questioning Heidi's involvement, with the possibilty of figuring out who Justin's father is (HT's husband?).

      Now I'm going to throw something REAL strange out there. There has been rumors of Phoebe being a lesbian AND rumors of her being with a married man...

      Maybe the married man, is not actually a man, but a woman... (HT)

      :/

      It doesn't really pertain to Ayla's case, besides figuring out why Heidi is so involved and trying to figure out who Justin's father is, and I admit, it's pretty "out there". Most likely not true, but just a thought.

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    34. Exactly right Kit!!! Tht is what has been nagging me for so long. Why would she hinder the investigation into a missing child and place her entire families future at Jeopardy? Her son would have lost his state licensing for fraud, maybe a fine and possibly a few months at minimum security. He's a big boy, let him take responsibility for his actions, but not Heidi. She put her entire familys' future in jeopardy, I don't get it.

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    35. WOW, Kit I just saw your post at 11:26, i must have been typing when you posted it. Phoebe and HT out on a "girls-night" the night of the 16th. That would also be a skeleton HT would not want out of the closet.

      Thank you dearly, I thought I was going crazy as to being so far out there as to what else was Heidi hiding other then the LIP. Now there is another option as well!!!!

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    36. Sometimes fact is stranger than fiction...

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  14. I just hope Ayla's case does not end of being just like Hayleigh Cummings. She was never found. And people knew what happened to her too!

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    1. True but look at where her father and his girlfriend-wife are now and how long they're going to stay there.

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    2. Karen, I think that more people may have been directly involved in whatever happened to Haleigh Cummings? But I often think of Haleigh when I read about Ayla. I find some similarities between Justin's and Ronald's attitudes towards women and children. And some same attitudes by the men's mother's for their sons behaviors towards their grand-children's mothers. Apparently respect is not a priority!

      And the police are still actively working this case so I am hoping there is still a excellent possibility yet of determining where Ayla is and what happened to her.

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  15. There's a great post at SA:

    http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2012/05/elisha-dipietro-did-she-fail-polygraph.html?m=0

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    1. Thank You Kit, Elisha the Enigma!

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    2. When someone says, "the police said I can't reveal the results" it means they failed.
      When someone says "the results are irrelevant" it means they failed.
      When someone is silent, it means they failed.
      When someone says "polygraphs aren't admissible in court" it means they failed.

      I think Peter missed one;
      When someone say "I smoked it" it means they failed!!

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    3. Oh yes, so true John P!!

      Who the heck even states that, in that way, when it is regards to their missing baby??

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    4. The cover-up runs deep. I think every one of the W5 know what happened, AND WHEN, and that is why they are all "smoking" thier polys, and CNN interviews I might add.

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    5. An Aunt Elisha who had her niece Ayla living with her, does what to help find Ayla when Ayla went 'missing'? Stays silent???

      Yea, and I think it also proves he is really warped! That statement was not him being youthful, I really took that as arrogance! Unless that is Justin's bravado?

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    6. I have often thought that "smoked it" was an odd thing to say... odd terminology, especially in regards to what it was referring to. I wonder what this phrase means to Justin. Did he say he aced it or he blew it? I think "smoked" might be one of those words that can be used 2 ways, and perhaps sort of like a "parallel lie." Which of course would still mean that he failed.

      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smoke

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  16. HT comparing Ayla's circumstances to Elizabeth Smart always stuck in my craw. Thanks for posting this expose'.

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    1. Does anyone know where Justin is hiding ?
      Still at Heidi's ?
      Why?

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    2. I haven't read anything about that. I doubt he's staying at Violette Ave. - weren't some windows smashed in when Gabby was home?

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    3. Yeah Abby, you gotta be right. I mean I'm sure Gabby can adjust to not having windows but god forbid Justin get a cold! (shaking head vigorously)

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    4. Maybe he's living under a bridge?

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    5. I meant he was likely staying away (perhaps urged to do so by Phoebe and/or Elisha and/or LE) to try to avoid something similar in the future wherein Gabby might actually get hurt.

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    6. Sorry Abby, that was my attempt at satirical humor. I hope he does stay away, but more importantly, I hope Gabby is safe.

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    7. It's ok. I could have been clearer.

      I hope she stays safe too, John. I worry about what will become of the 3 other little ones close to Ayla.

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  17. Let's just go with the idea that someone in Trista's family "kidnapped" Ayla... How did the kidnapper know Ayla would be sleeping alone, in a room she never slept in, on that particular night? Are we now to believe that person was just lucky? Or did he/she have inside information from someone inside the house, alerting them to the fact that Ayla would be in that room, alone? If so, who? And who put Ayla to bed that night? Have we ever heard?

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    1. I think in the beginning we heard that Justin put her to bed, or it was inferred that he did the way it was written.

      As for the kidnapping scenario... maybe it was spontaneous? Someone knocked on the door to visit, or party, or whatever they do there? They didn't get an answer so they tried the door, which was unlocked? They saw Ayla fussing and, realizing how it sucks to live there, took her to live with them?

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    2. Well, cough, if ummm....hmmm...cough.... where do you get the "room she never slept in" idea from?

      Just playing devil's advocate here. But really since that's not a claim I've heard before, I'd like to know how you came across it.

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    3. @Anon 8:52pm

      http://gma.yahoo.com/ayla-reynolds-missing-police-adults-know-more-theyre-091007235--abc-news.html

      and

      http://www.examiner.com/article/maine-state-police-dismiss-theory-that-toddler-ayla-reynolds-was-abducted

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    4. She actually was in a room she had never slept in before, that is one point I brought up early on, how in the hell would a kidnapper know to look for her in a different room?

      On the night that the girl was last seen, DiPietro, 24, and his girlfriend, along with her small child, were allegedly in the basement of the Waterville home. DiPietro's sister was also in the house, along with her young child, in a bedroom on the main level, while Ayla was reportedly in an adjacent bedroom by herself. DiPietro's mother was not at home that night.
      "The adults inside that home say someone came into the house -- a small home -- went into a bedroom Ayla normally doesn't sleep in, took her, vanished in the night -- and not one of them heard or saw anything," McCausland said.

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    5. Where did she normally sleep? Isn't her toddler bed stuffed in the corner of Gabby's room (in viewing the pictures)? It's funny with all these kids who "disappear" from their beds, so many of them just HAPPEN to be sleeping in a different spot than "normal".

      Ayla's bed was (is?) in Gabby's room. That leads me to believe, that's where she normally slept. WHY the lie (change of sleeping arrangement), I do not know. It is appently for some reason to make the story more believable. I can't quite figure out the reasoning though. If a child was really kidnapped, OR even if the parent just wanted it to appear that way, being kidnapped from the "normal routine" would make more sense to me.

      Plus, Phoebe said it was "a creepy feeling", knowing someone had been watching/casing your home. Wouldn't the kidnapper assume Ayla was in her normal sleeping spot? Or was someone sitting in the "No Trespassing" tree, with binoculars, all night, watching to see where Ayla was put to bed? I wonder how long "kidnapper" had been doing that? How many nights did he/she watch the household routine?

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    6. How do we know that Ayla was sleeping in a room upstairs "that night"? Only the DiPs word for that. Does anyone believe their stories?

      What if she were sleeping downstairs in the basement and then, later, someone hurt her in the basement? Ayla's blood was not found, as far as we know, upstairs in that bedroom.

      After she was hurt, in the basement, the Dips had to get LE to put their investigation on a room where she was not sleeping that night. In other words, move the scene of her "demise" upstairs.

      Maybe they thought LE wouldn't even go downstairs, but spend all their time going over a room where she wasn't. They're not exactly Mensa members, these DiP guys!

      We know the DiPs lie. How can we even be sure that something happened to her that night, let alone in what room it happened?

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    7. I've never understood that statement about Ayla being in a room she doesn't usually sleep in--other reports say she shared a room with Gabby. So I guess that would mean she was sleeping in Phoebe's room? Why would she be sleeping there? How could Elisha have seen Ayla @ 10p when she went to get fussy Gabby?

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    8. I didn't even happen "that night", so every single thing they say about it, is a complete LIE anyway.

      JMO

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    9. The baby gate is allways in place? The windows were allways locked?
      But the door was sometimes locked and sometimes not and we can't remember?
      Everyone sometimes lose their keys?

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    10. Kit ~ Their, "stories" do not match up and keep changing because it is just that, a story, a never ending story.

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    11. at some point I think police said ayla usu. slept in basement with justin

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    12. interesting...so why say adjacent room? the kids room is not the adjacent one... perhaps it explains why the blood is allegedly right along side his bed..not looking good

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  18. Sorry... Typing on my phone. Mis-typed and have a much smaller comment box, so it's tough to review before sending. Whoops! I meant "never slept in alone before." It's my understanding Gabby routinely slept in that room with Ayla, and she just happened to be sleeping alone that one night - fortunately for an alleged kidnapper, I guess.

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  19. I can't see my comment, so I hope I'm not double-posting. Anyway, I said I meant to type "room she never slept *alone* in." I'm on my phone, and I just mistyped. It's my understanding Gabby usually slept with Ayla in that room.

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  20. real motive here???May 6, 2012 at 1:22 AM

    I for one have often wondered about Heidi's real motive..
    Her sons childhood friend Justin, she posts as "her friend"..at first thought i believed she is trying to distance her sons name away from Justins name..separating the connection..but now it just may be a confidence builder for Justin,sealing a bond between them..maybe just maybe to try and get him to tell her the truth??? She also answers that she is not helping Justin, she is doing it because "it is the right thing to do."
    Is she hoping to cash in on the reward?? You know..keep the guilty close..and the guiltiest closer???

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  21. I love it how all this bad publicity is on the dip clan. They are releasing information now that apparently they forgot about when this first happened.
    Elisha was interviewed and said that she did fine on her polygraph and doesn't basically need the public's approval because the public will think they are all lying anyways.
    She said they feel that the LE didn't do a thorough enough job in the 2 week forensic testing. She said they didn't fingerprint a table underneath Ayla's window.

    I thought that wasn't where Ayla normally slept?

    She also said that, here it comes,
    The window in the room Ayla was sleeping in wasn't locked.
    Holy shit I thought their initial statement was, we don't know if the doors or windows were locked.
    It sounds like they are starting to cover their asses.

    Here's the website
    www.kjonline.com/news/aylas-aunt-took-polygraph-stands-by-abduction-claim_2012-05-05.html

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    1. McCausland also said there is no evidence to support the family's claim that Ayla has been abducted, and he said the three adults who were with Ayla the night before she was reported missing -- DiPietro; Ayla's father Justin DiPietro; and friend Courtney Roberts -- are withholding information. DiPietro said she's unsure how investigators came to those conclusions.

      "I would love to know," she said.

      I guessing all three failing the poly would point them in that direction, the lack of any evidence to support the abduction theory confirms. What more do you need to know ED? I'd love for you to answer the question. Did you pass the poly ? YES OR NO.

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    2. I thought they were happy with LE's investigation?

      Now, all of a sudden... Nope. They didn't do a good enough job AND McCausland is "full of himself".

      Almost 5 months later, LE didn't do a good job. If that was even remotely true, wouldn't that have been mentioned, say like, 4 months ago? When Phoebe was upset about the mess they made? Geez, she wanted MORE of a mess?

      Elisha, I'm pretty sure MSP knows what they are doing. Do you think you know better than them? Did you question this back when Mommy had her house returned to her? They TOOK the window OUT of the house! I think that is being pretty thorough!

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    3. I thought is was disgusting that phoebe complained about the mess ! They could turn my house inside out and burn it down if it meant helping to find a child of mine!!!

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    4. Add to what Chicky said- or any missing child at all, not even my own. Imagine if the police were looking for a missing neighbor child- would you object to the police messing up your home?

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  22. I think the way she said she "did fine" avoids the the real question, DID YOU PASS? That she would not elaborate means she probably did fine in process of taking the test, meaning that the results would be accurate . Who says "I did fine "? Someone who FAILED.

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    1. That is an invalid assumption. Elisha's statements indicate that she did fine on the polygraph, which is consistent with passing the test. The only way to refute what she is saying is to ask LE and see what they say.

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    2. She was asked to clarify and she said she did fine. If she passed why would she not say so ? No reason, FAIL.

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    3. Maybe she did tell the reporter she passed and he selected the quote that was published to represent that discussion. You obviously have never been interviewed by a reporter if you don't realize that quotes in newspapers do not represent a verbatim transcript of the conversation.

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    4. Were the answers from elisha in, "Quotes" ? If so, they WERE quotes. IMO if she passed the poly she would have said so directly and not refered to the public as calling it a lie.
      Why no emotion concerning Ayla?

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    5. Anon 6:28,

      Elisha said she did "fine" , when asked to CLARIFY she said the same thing. I don't think a reporter would conceal if she said outright if she passed or failed and neither do you.

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    6. Lies by the media? Well let's see, the exact same things were done for Phoebe, the media misquoted and then wouldn't print the correction. Same for Justin when confronted by NG, same for Heidi, same for McCausland. Should I go on? I guess anon has it right, the media (and were are talking about all television and newspapers at this point) are all liars that only want to convict the DiPietros by manipulating the public.

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    7. Lol, JohnP!

      Isn't it amazing, how the WHOLE WORLD is in on the conspiracy, to wrongfully accuse an unknown family from Waterville of horrendous, and unthinkable crimes against an innocent baby, last seen while in JUSTIN'S "sole custody", sporting a miniature cast on her tiny arm that HE ADMITS TO (accidentally) BREAKING, after HE TOOK OUT AN (innocent) LIP ON HER LIFE, and had PREMONITIONS (actual psychic phenomena) THAT SOMEONE MIGHT TRY AND "TAKE" HER???

      Damn! These folks sure have some **BAD** luck...
      It makes me wonder if they ransacked a mirror FACTORY and smashed every piece of inventory, while pacing back and forth beneath ladders, in the company of, like a DOZEN or so, black cats. On friday the thirteenth.
      Just sayin'!
      :/

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    8. LOL VTLady!

      My Grandfather used to say "if not for bad luck, I wouldn't have any luck"! I guess this is very true for this family. But 4 people in the same family being frame and misquoted by so many LE agencies, newspapers and television stations, that is realllllllllly bad luck!

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  23. "I mean, I did fine. It's what it is. People are going to take things how they take them, and they're going to call us liars, if they want to call us liars, but I know the truth, and we know the truth, and we know we didn't do anything wrong. We want Ayla home. We love Ayla."

    I am calling you a liar. Avoiding a question like "did you pass or fail" with this statement cements my conviction.

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    1. Wordman, that is a quote taken from a conversation with a reporter. You can't say for a fact what Elisha said or did not say during the conversation that was not included by the reporter in the report. Now THAT is a fact.

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    2. Anon 6:12,

      You are correct, I can not say for fact what Elisha may have said that was not printed. My comments are based on what was.She is a liar.

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    3. elisha has the freedom to address the public if the report was misleading. So come visit us elisha and answer the question truthfully and clearly.
      If you are not concermed what they public thinks then what about LE? Are you concerned that they think you are guilty? I would be!

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    4. I have a thought when Justin stated that he smoked the polygraph, maybe he is stating that he has burned Ayla, he is telling the truth of some sorts by stating exactly what he did. He smoked her, not physically smoked but burned her, that would make sense. Im also thinking that Justin has such a creative mind that he has chosen in his own mind that he didn't do it and now believes that he hasn't done it. Deny deny deny. The mind is a very powerful thing and he has manipulated himself into creating something else in his mind so that he never did anything wrong. I would definately look into possibilities of fires or something where a body could be burned. Bonfires, fireplaces, incinerators, furnaces. Just some new thoughts to think about

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    5. That's true Chicky! If the report is wrong, then Elisha should call out the reporter!

      The blame is always put elsewhere. The media, LE, Trista, Jessica, JL.

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    6. Wordman, maybe this would be a good topic for a story. What happened with each of the polys? For example, I thought I saw Selena on another blog say Courtney wouldn't take the poly due to her not believing the accuracy. Then McCausland says they ALL took polys? What did Courtney then say? Did she do "fine" as well? Just wondering.. We also know Trista took the poly but was unable to complete. She offered to go back and complete and LE has never refuted this, nor asked her to take additional polys? Just wondering.. I guess Trista did "fine" as well. Pass or Fail, that is the question!!

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  24. If they feel that LE missed some possible evidence why have they waited allmost 5 months to say so? I wonder if they did call LE and let them know about the window etc? I had read somewhere that LE said the windows could not be open from the outside, am I imagining this?

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    1. There is no information that they waited 5 months to voice concerns and objections to LE. They have had many conversations with LE during which some of this information may have been discussed. Taking 5 months to get it into print is NOT the same as waiting 5 months to say it to LE.

      Because the media jumped on the father and the paternal side of the family by Day Two or Day Three, largely due to the manipulations and finger pointing by Trista and Jessica, the family's side of the story has not been getting out. Most attempts by the father and his family to express their side of the story just blow up in their faces due to the extreme media bias present from so early on in this case.

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    2. Anon,

      If you think MSP is directing their investigation based on the "manipulations" of Trista and Jessica then you obviously do not have much faith in them. I do. And the lies of the DiPietros get exposed every time they speak , that is not bias, that is truth.

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    3. "I wonder if they did call LE and let them know about the window etc?"
      ANNON 6:24 ~ You say there is, "No" information that they did not discuss with LE, then on the other hand you say, that in the many conversations SOME of this ifo may have been discussed. Which is it and how do you know this?
      The dips have ANY and ALL opportunities to get their , "Story" out. No one is stopping them, regardless of the public reaction.
      They blame Trista and the public for them not speaking out? Allways the lbame on someone else. Did anyone duct tape their mouths shut?

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    4. Also, in the face of public ridicule Trista continues to stay vocal.

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    5. They stopped communication with LE. Hmmmm... If I thought LE "messed up", I would be on the phone and/or at the station multiple times a day. Maybe thats "crazy", but thats what PARENTS do. They ARE crazy, crazy about their kids, they love their kids crazy.

      There is NO emotion from ANY of these people towards Ayla, EVER! It is sickening and maddening. Hello? Elisha? When you were speaking to the reporter is really the only thing you could think about was YOU and your "family"?

      What about AYLA?

      Where is Ayla, Elisha??

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    6. Media bias? How about the full article regarding how normal LIP's are for children? Or the full article about the Tudella's and their fab home with the sweeping views? The media has gone pretty easy on them. There are never any real "hard" questions asked, their vague, lie filled answers are not followed up or asked to be clarified. Besides that, there are plenty of "(Justin) DiPietro could not be reached for comment".

      If anyone is being "biased" or "hard" on the DiPietro's, it is no ones fault, but their own. Their statements/answers are vague and obvious lies. That is their own fault. This is based on their FEW statements. They only reason Elisha even spoke, was because she was pretty much forced to; she was at a public event, for Ayla, and knew it would look pretty bad if she did not respond at all. I'm guessing that the media would be ready, willing and able to allow the DiPietro's to speak up, make statements, have interviews. Why don't they??

      Why did Elisha not convey any emotion towards Ayla, during this interview? No love, no caring, no sorrow, no fright, no nothing. She was too worried about herself and her family, and how people think they are liars. They ARE liars! Plain and simple.

      Also, she is clearly taking/sharing blame for whatever happened to Ayla. She constantly talked about "we". "We" didn't do anything wrong. Really? If *I* didn't do anything wrong, I would darn well say so. "We didn't know the window was unlocked". We, we, we. We who? Why not just say *I* didn't know the window was unlocked? She is really trying to stick together with her family/Justin. I wonder if he's going to do the same? Besides, HE should be out there making statement, not leaving it up to someone else.

      Who else was at the walk? Was Justin, Phoebe or Courtney? How about the Tudella's or Lance?

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    7. Bravo Kit. Well said. Elisha is obviously hiding the truth about Ayla.

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    8. "There is no information that they waited 5 months to voice concerns and objections to LE. They have had many conversations with LE during which some of this information may have been discussed. Taking 5 months to get it into print is NOT the same as waiting 5 months to say it to LE. "

      The DPs have had many opportunities to speak to the media. Many phone calls go unreturned, as evidenced by local reporters who frequently include that in their articles. Is there a particular reason that they could not address this, oh say about a million times publicly prior to this month?

      Do I honestly believe that the MSP spent 2 weeks in a 988SF home and didn't collect fingerprints in the room that Ayla was reported to be missing from? Do I honestly think that they would share that info with the DPs? Nope, not buying it.

      And once again, Elisha failed to address that mystery kidnapper! Ooops!

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    9. "She said her family also questions the thoroughness of DNA testing at the home. She said investigators should have found DNA belonging to friends who had visited the home in the days before Ayla disappeared, but they didn't."

      Elisha, tell us who these friends and visitors are so they can verify that Ayla was even there in the "days before Ayla disappeared". And you still wonder why the public picks your comments apart. You just said there were people there between the 8th and 16th. Who, did they see Ayla, when????? Keep talking, one more screw into your fate.

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    10. Elisha is absolutely correct. It doesn't matter if she failed the polygraph or not. The public will still judge her as they see fit.

      If she failed the polygraph or not, will not effect the investigation by MSP either.

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    11. If it were a fact that she passed the poly I would tend to believe what she says.
      If it were a fact that she failed the poly I would Not believe anything that came from her mouth without proof.
      Regardless of this, she shows no concern for Ayla and that speaks volumns.

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  25. What I find amazing in Elisabeth's case, is the parents were the ones who pushed LE, they pushed them to follow up on a lead. They got the sketch artist to help, they went to the media with the drawing. They did everything to find her.
    Justin is the exact opposite. He clarified, the police know his phone number if they want to contact him. (meaning he will not go and bother them for any information about his daughter, he will not push any lead, he will not help to find his daughter) He is a bad parent, you don't need the justice system to proove that. I cannot understand how it is ok legally for a parent to withold information in his missing child's case. I know defining the term and prooving it would be an issue, but something has to be done. That alone should be punished by law.

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    1. I wonder if between them all they have called in any tips or theories. If they say it was an abduction why no new ideas on who could have done it. the public certainly keeps coming up with new ideas.
      LE says they no longer communicate, and justin has their number so that says, NO, they have not.

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    2. There is a law that states we cannot force a person to be a witness against themself. Justin appears to be taking advantage of his right against self-incrimination. Unfortunately for Ayla.

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    3. " You have the right to remain silent ~~~ "
      I am hoping that someone/someones hear these words soon.

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  26. I have a question about the arrest(s) and trial.

    If only Justin is arrested, at trial, he doesn't have to testify against himself. The others HAVE to correct? Can they plead The 5th? That obviously would make them look guilty, but I'm just wondering. Is The 5th only for the person on trial, or anyone?

    Also, if say, Justin and Courtney get arrested, could they THEN not have to testify against one another, due to the fact that they could incriminate themselves and/or interfere with their own trial? Are their trials completely seperate from one another?

    Sorry if these are stupid question.

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    1. Anyone can take the 5th unless they've been granted immunity from prosecution.

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    2. ~~ on the grounds that it will incriminate me ~~ say that to a jury!

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  27. Anyone wonder why Elisha is all of the sudden just speaking out? I think there's a little heat on her, maybe it's her second chance to cut an immunity deal if she comes clean--the DNA results of the blanket/blankie will be in soon!

    BTW Elisha, the story JD and CR told MSP obviously doesn't match yours. If you think they are going to stick up for you, I wouldn't bank on it!

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  28. Elisha???? Where is Ayla?

    http://aylastillmissingnotkidnapped.blogspot.com/2012/05/walk-for-ayla-elisha-dipietro-speaks.html

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  29. What do the DiPietros and the Tudelas think about what is happening with Ayla, now, five months after the "abduction"? We don't know. They never express one damm concern about her. Didn't then and don't now. If no concern is shown for her health and safety, they must think she is in good hands.

    Justin did address the kidnapper early on and and say "You are not her parent; she needs to come home to her family." or something along those lines. But obviously, at that time, he wasn't worried because he knew where she was and that she was okay and "adjusting". How else are we to interpret his statements?

    Later, he stated that he wished immunity for the kidnapper, an action he believed might bring Ayla home sooner.

    It seemed clear that he wasn't addressing Trista because she is a parent as well as he. So who else does he suspect has his greatly missed child, but is not a danger to Ayla and is, according to Justin's tone of unconcern, taking good care of her?

    It's gotta be that Justin wants us to think the kidnapper is Jessica! (Or someone in the Reynolds family as close to Ayla as she is.) One, who if she received immunity, would certainly come back from Washington or Georgia with little Ayla in tow.

    But then why don't any of the DiPietros or Tudelas stop all this unreasonable suspicion of poor Justin and hunt down Jessica and retrieve Ayla? Or plead with the public for help to bring her back? Do they think it is too expensive and too complicated to search for Ayla when they know she is safe and probably "thinks it's a game"?

    I guess they are all gonna endure the public suspicion until LE gets off their collective duff and brings Ayla back...someday...whenever.

    Does any of this make any sense to anyone with half a brain?

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    1. Annon ~ I have 3/4 ths of a brain and it makes sense to me.

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    2. Your comment/questions make perfect sense. The "kidnapping" story, cover up, lack of concern makes no sense whatsoever.

      Phoebe once said "I don't think anything happend (to Ayla), besides someone took her"

      Elisha now says "someone took her".

      Geez, no biggie, someone just "took" her.

      Someone took your Grandaughter!!

      Someone took your Niece!!

      Do you care? Who took her? Where is she? Is it not a big deal to you? Is she safe? Taken care of? Happy? Alive?? You don't seem too concerned for her, actually you don't seemed concerned at all. Besides of course about people KNOWING how much of a bunch of liars you are.

      If you know who "took" Ayla, why not speak up? Call them out? Address them during your interview. No, don't do any of that. Of course people would have questions and know you are lying even further. Just let Selena do all the "dirty work"...

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    3. Kit, I'm Anon 9:37, and my blood boils and spills over listening to these people and their woefully whiney comments telling us in so many words nothing happened to Ayla that we should be be concerned about...she was "just taken".,,,but we should be angonizing over the inhumane treatment of the DiPietros. Everything bass awkwards!

      We're supposed to be concerned about the feelings of the DiPs and how they are perceived by the suspicious public! Not by the MSMedia, however. Never any hard questions for the DiPs from that source. Never any hard pursuing of truth in this case. Everything said by the Tudelas and the DiPietros is taken at face value by the press.

      And I am seriously doubting that LE wants to take on this lying crowd of bellyachers, either. If they are needling Justin and Co., to get a big rise out of them, they are doing a piss-poor job of it! LE could "clear" Trista's family formally, for one thing. That would needle the DiPietros and their conscienceless supporters big time. JMO.

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  30. I think with elishas piss poor attitude and lying that she won't speak up and tell the truth, unless they arrest her.

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  31. Apples & Oranges,

    Both are bright colors
    Both have seeds (except navel oranges)
    Both are healthy for you.
    Both contain vitimin C.
    Both are used in making juice
    Both grow on trees
    Both are used in cooking & baking
    Both can be peeled - But the peelings are eatable
    Both come in different varieties

    Apples are alike in many ways.

    Just for fun

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    1. should be Aplles & Orages are alike in many ways

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    2. should be Aplles & Oranges

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    3. LOL perhaps I should just forget it.

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    4. Did anyone else notice Elisha's eyes. As she is saying that Ayla is alive, she looks down and away from the people she is speaking to. By the time she says that Ayla is coming home, she is still looking down. I believe Elisha knows Ayla is not coming home. 10aseemom

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  32. I think the people doing the most missquoting are themselves! The darned few things that they say, keep changing and it's so unfair of us to make them do that!

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  33. Food for thought...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc7EDlLs8bs
    Listen to ELisha when she says Ayla is ALIVE and she will coming home.....HMmmm makes me wonder how shes' so positive that shes alive and coming home please Elisha tell us when Aylas' coming home because you seem to now just when shes coming....

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  34. Elisha's voice cracks between "aunt" and "Elisha" and again between "alive" and "coming home"...

    Elisha, are you regretful that you failed you role as an Aunt, and protector? is this why the term aunt is so painful?

    Why does your voice do this again at the term alive? Do you have knowledge that she was alive when injured and removed, and this removal has lead to her later "demise" where ever she was put, so you also know she is not "coming home", ever?

    It seem too much a coincidence that you finally show your face after all this time, finally speak out...still with no answers...why don't you give us a full account of the night of the 15th at your house, and the following day? Was Derek Tudela there with his son? WHY did Ayla miss her doctor appointment...? Why don't you answer some real questions, like if you passed your polygraph, and quit beating around the bush?

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    1. I see what you meant about the breaking of her voice. The video was very nicely done and in a short time frame. I love the music over the pictures. I wish I could have been there in person, but Ayla knows I was with them all in spirit. Bring Ayla Home!!!

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  35. Thank You Adam for the fabulous video. I truly appreciated seeing it as I myself would have loved to have been there participating.

    I do want to comment specifically about Elisha's statement. I do realize that Elisha is a young woman. And being on camera under the circumstance of a missing niece IS WAY DIFFERENT than her aspirations of being a star. So I do appreciate she was under stress.

    Having said that, I stewed for a while after seeing Elisha speak. First thing on her mind to address is that it is not Trista's side or Justin's side or her side it is about Ayla. I am sure many people will say there is nothing wrong with that. I guess I thought she was going to talk about Ayla herself. Or maybe about the people who came out and the walk itself.

    And I guess I don't find that a sincere statement about not wanting it to be about sides. Because shutting the mother out, could not be more about taking sides.

    Wow, about seeing Elisha's face during and after her saying that Alya is alive and she will come home! To me it looked like Elisha was devastated?
    MOO

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  36. I was there and I do have to say, although I do think that she knows what happened, I do think that she has courage for being at the walk. From my understanding, she has been at most of the events in Waterville for Ayla. I wanted so bad to scream at her and ask her why she is not speaking out for Ayla, she was there and she was talking to the reporters and she gave walkers permission to walk up her street and to stop in front of her house. I am still concerned for Gabby's well being, but from what I saw, she is a happy baby and Elisha seems to be taken care of her. I don't know if it was her lawyer that told her to attend, or if she was there really for Ayla but I have to give her credit for being there. Elisha, please tell LE the truth of what happened. Please be the voice for little Ayla. Ayla needs you just as much as Gabby does. If Justin or Courtney goes to LE first, your time away from Gabby will be even longer, and she needs her mom just as much as Ayla needs hers.

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    1. Of course she loves her daughter, just not her niece...

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    2. Do you think she could have been acting? She is an aspiring actress, no? Did you get that impression at all, or did you get the impression she was being honest?

      I sadly agree Emerald...

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    3. I got the impression that she wants it to be true, but knows it is not...lying? yes, as she knows something vital that she refuses to give up to LE, something tiny that will have an explosive effect. She looks down,and her voice breaks, as she can not tell the lie without relieving some of the stress it is causing.

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  37. They need to get these peeps into a GJ room. You go in without a lawyer. And not together.
    And play the 911 calls to the GJ.

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