Friday, April 27, 2012

Children Missing in the Middle of the Night-An Epidemic on Our Hands?


As many of you all know another little girl went missing from her home in Arizona recently. Isabel Mercedes Celis was last seen by her parents at 11pm, they checked on her at 8am the next morning to find her gone. It would seem that this has become something of an epidemic. How many more children are going to disappear in the middle of the night with not one person hearing or seeing anything?


Although this case may appear to be very similar to Ayla's case, there are some stark differences. For starters, Isabel was of school age, six years old whereas Ayla was just a toddler. Isabel would have had more exposure in the neighborhood so there is a higher chance that a pedophile or a predator that roamed the neighborhood would have more of a chance to fixate on her. Ayla had just recently moved to her Waterville home and most of the neighbors did not even know she lived there and had reported that they had never even seen her prior to her disappearance.


There was a confirmed point of entry in the case of Isabel. A window was found open in her bedroom and a screen pushed aside. In Ayla's case, no one in the home knew if the door was locked or unlocked and there were no signs of forced entry.


In Isabel's case, Police searched the home very quickly and released it back to the family. In Ayla's case, the home was taken over by LE for over two weeks. They searched the house from top to bottom, collecting 100's of pieces of evidence.


Although this case may seem similar in nature, it is very different from Ayla's case. I did a post on abducted children back in March and posted some statistics. Although it seems like an epidemic with all of the poor children going missing it really is quite rare. I did not know exactly how rare it is until Isabel's case.


Experts say abduction from the home is relatively rare, with just over 18 children taken each year.
"It's unusual, but it's not unprecedented," said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which is involved in the search.

Each year, 58,000 children are abducted by strangers and released, according to the most recent statistics. Of those, 115 were "stereotypical" kidnappings carried out by strangers who either killed the children or held them for ransom. And 16 percent of those were taken from home.

Nearly three quarters of the victims are girls, and 38 percent of them are 12 to 14. At 24 percent, the second largest victimized group is the one Isabel belongs to: girls ages 6 to 11.



In Isabel's case, she is the second most victimized group. Ayla's case is the rarest of the rare. That is another reason that I don't buy the story the DiPietros are selling and why I pointed out Heidi T. was wrong when she stated 2000 kids went missing each year under these circumstances. According to these statistics, only one or maybe two children a year the same age as Ayla go missing under similar circumstances.


The Kennebec River Dam at the Back of The Old Hathaway Shirt Factory

Yesterday Steve McCausland announced that items were recovered from the Kennebec River near the Hathaway Building that possibly could be related to Ayla's disappearance. What these items are and if they are in fact related have yet to be determined. The items were immediately sent to the Crime Lab to be analyzed. It has only been reported that Ayla was last seen wearing green pajamas with Daddy's Princess on them. There has been no mention of her sling or a blanket missing from the home. Could these be the items found? Or did something happen to Ayla prior to when she was reported missing and was incriminating evidence thrown into the river AFTER LE concluded multiple searches there in attempt to cover up a crime, items such as clothing, toys etc that may tell LE more about what happened to Ayla? I hope that the items found prove to be unrelated to Ayla's case and hope there is a chance that she is still out there somewhere waiting to be reunited with her mother and little brother. 

I have received some emails lately from some of you who have tried to access Jeff Hanson's blog Answers For Ayla only to be rerouted here. Jeff and Trista are taking a well deserved and much needed break from questions right now and this was something that was discussed between us before the items were found yesterday. Jeff's blog is still intact and will be back at some point in the future. Until then I just ask that you respect their wishes at this time and direct any questions to me and I will do my best to answer them. Feel free to offer any words of encouragement or support to either of them here and I will make sure they receive the message.

***Just a few things I wanted to add The Bride-Can you please email me when you have a chance, I would like to share some things with you that might clear up the reasons I do some of the things I do here justiceforayla@yahoo.com  Thank You :)

And yesterday I totally forgot to mention Ashley P's facebook pages for Ayla
https://www.facebook.com/groups/226653527439757/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/109735822455558/

Ashley puts a lot of time and effort in these pages for Ayla and I wanted to make sure she got her recognition too. She has gone above and beyond for Ayla and I am grateful to her. 

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113 comments:

  1. It IS turning into an epidemic! It's ridiculous! I guess if you don't want your kids any longer, just do the unthinkable, with little to no evidence, hide their body and report a kidnapping. It's disgusting really! Something needs to be done. There seems to be more and more cases. I'd like to see somehow if the statistics are rising for fake kidnappings or if it just seems to be more publicized now.

    I sadly don't believe, after watching video's, that Isabel was abducted by a stranger. :(

    The "kidnapped from bed" story these parents are giving, is horrible and seems to be the biggest and worst "trend".

    There is a 2 1/2 year old girl from Rockport, Ma, Caleigh Harrison, who supposedly SOMETHING happened to her at the beach, which sadly, once again, seems unlikely.


    Thank you for posting that picture of the river/dam.

    I hope Trista and Jeff are doing OK. I hope they get the rest/break that they need and deserve and at the same time I hope they put the blog back up soon.

    I know some people are torn with feelings regarding the evidence/news from yesterday. It is sad and difficult to think of what the items could be and if they do in fact connect to Ayla. IF they do, I hope it is the break LE has been waiting for. IF Ayla is not alive, I hope for her case to move forward. IF Ayla is not alive, she and her Mother and family deserve closure, to know the TRUTH as to what happened to her. It is difficult to think and I'm sorry, but I do not think Ayla is alive and well. Each day that passes makes it even less likely, to me. There have def been cases of abduction and the child turns up alive and well quite some time later, so there is still hope. IF Ayla is not alive, I just wish for her to be found and her case to move forward, and everyone involved punished to the fullest extent possible.

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    1. Caleigh & her sister were left unattended, while their mother went to retrieve a ball behind a wall, on a beach at hightide in an area with strong riptides. Dangerous surf warnings were issued that day. Poor decision by mom, yes. Murder, unlikely.

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    2. I hope so. LE stated foul play has not been rules out. Have they ruled it out?

      Poor decision is being kind, IMO. But, I do hope that is the truth.

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  2. TLLOM,Selena do you have a comment on the items found yesterday? You defended every lie that came out of his mouth,are you going to tell us that the items could not be Aylas,God I hope so. Why arent you defending him now? Are they Aylas ? Never had a problem telling us we were wrong before,Why the silence now?

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    1. Oh geez. I can only imagine her response. I'm sure because LE did not "confirm" the items to be linked to Ayla, that is ALL the proof she needs; no further explanation or thoughts. OR, even WORSE, she'll claim the items were placed there by a maternal family member and/or friend. I'm sorry, but her response will most likely be BS, piffle, as usual. Of course, she COULD just speak to her family and truly seek the truth/answers, but she doesn't believe in speaking to her FAMILY about Ayla - thats the truth, she stated as much, the rest is JMO.

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    2. Kit,
      I'm sure that the "flood of denial" will go something like this, if in fact the recovered articles ARE relevant:

      1st: LE hasn't *confirmed* what the articles even are, so they could be ANYTHING at all, and completely unrelated..

      2nd: Fine. The items found are confirmed to be articles of "baby clothing"..that doesn't mean they're AYLA'S! Maybe they're infant sized or boys' clothes, LE hasn't confirmed THAT yet...

      3rd: Ok. So they were identified as clothing consistent with Ayla's, and they're testing the stains to see if trace DNA has survived in the fabric that can be matched as hers. You cannot assume it IS hers until tests come back!

      4th: Well, just because it's Ayla's doesn't mean her "kidnapper" DIDN'T throw it in the water. Anyone seen Jessica lately???

      ...And on, and on, it will go!
      Guaranteed.

      [There's no reasoning with, either a willfully ignorant, OR illogical, person!]

      3rd:

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  3. Please, Dear Lord, let this be the break we've all been waiting for.........Amen

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  4. Selena are you asking Phoebe questions now? What is she saying McCausland is full of himself,LE is wrong,LE is back tracking,Phoebe, "well if they are Aylas things I dont know how they got there,I wasnt home". I dont know anything,And Justin I'll tell you how her things got in the river when the time is right.Why arent his supporters talking,isnt he answering his phone? How is he going to explain this if these are Aylas things?

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  5. Shell think trista put them there.

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  6. I would like to extend a personal thank you to the person that called this tip in to the Maine State Police. It is because of you that this potential evidence was not lost and proof to everyone that Ayla is not forgotten. Even if the items recovered turn out to be unrelated to Ayla’s disappearance, your contribution has helped to keep Ayla’s name in the press and in the public mind. You may be able to understand the conflicting feelings news like this has for Ayla’s family, but I can assure you that they are grateful, as am I.

    I encourage people to continue to look for Ayla during their daily routines as well as keeping an eye out for potential evidence when you are visiting your favorite hiking trail, boat launch or similar outdoor recreation area. The Maine State Police are doing everything they can to bring Ayla Reynolds home, but they can use our help as well. It may come to pass that the evidence needed to crack this case will be called in by a private citizen.

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    1. Thank You Wordman, your work for Ayla here and at A4A are appreciated.

      Your words are very encouraging and I agree. The worker that called this in to MSP deserves a big Thank You. Never give up hope! Bring Ayla Home

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  7. Celina Cass went missing in the night also.

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  8. Everywhere I go - I look for Ayla. Took a hike in the woods with the family and scanned everything.

    Was in a store - saw a blonde haired, blue eyed girl and thought it was Ayla. Took another look - it wasn't.

    I think a lot of us have Ayla in the back of our mind.

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    As far as this as an epidemic - as a parent - I'm freaked.

    What IS going on???

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  9. And, why NOT???
    The tactic seems to work, right?

    Every unfit, neglectful, substance-abusing, CHILD-abusing, parent out there, who has one of their kids "unexpectedly come up dead", need only look as far as their local news to find MYRIAD examples of how to get away with murder:

    Simply hide the body well-enough, destroy/clean-up as much evidence as possible, then call 911 claiming your dead and discarded child went *poof!*...gone without a trace!

    Even if there's absolutely NO EVIDENCE supporting your claims of abduction, and you have a LENGTHY history of child-abuse allegations, and fail your polygraph...no body = no charges, 9 times out of 10...

    Need *detailed* instructions??
    Just ask:
    Shawn Atkins and Billie Jean Dunn, Terri Moulton Horman, Sky Metawala, Baby Lisa, Baby Gabriel, Baby Joshua, Baby Aliayah or Jessehye Shockley's mothers...
    I'm sure they can help you escape justice indefinitely, as they have.

    Time to bring the U.S. justice system into the 21st century by updating some arcane judicial principles.
    We can start by updating "habeus corpus", and also the inability to retry a defendant(under limited circumstances) *when and if* new and compelling evidence arises post-acquittal, that wasn't available at the time of 1st trial (ie. the body is found).
    Then we might ALSO take the crucial step of examining what's broken in child-custody law:

    Can the justice system please STOP regarding children to be little more than the biological "property" of their parents, or the "communal property" of a marriage??

    It's unacceptable, that the safety and welfare of a child, be treated as SECONDARY concern to his parent's ultimate right to "possess" him..

    As it stands now, we actually give abused ANIMALS a better chance of escaping their predicament, in many ways, than we do HUMAN CHILDREN!!
    Do you know how HARD it is for the former owner of a DOG, to get that animal BACK, if it was taken away due to abuse/neglect? It's nearly IMPOSSIBLE in most places.

    So, WHY is it easier for an abuser to get his or her CHILD back, that was mistreated in a similar fashion???
    It's disgusting!
    JMO/MOO

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    1. I hope someone with some authority to help is considering the well-being of each of the other three children close to Ayla.

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    2. I agree VTLady, why is it a defendant can request and be granted multiple retrials, but a person guilty of a crime against an innocent child can not be retried when new evidence surfaces. Absolutely insane and needs to be changed for any case involving violence against a child!!!!!!

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    3. Sad but true and I think America and the rest of the world are sick of it by now too.

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    4. ITA, well said VTLady.

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    5. ITA also!! Something needs to be done. This should not be allowed to continue!

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  10. About 250,000 children are kidnapped in the US each year by a parent or family member or someone acting on their behalf. The statistics quoted in the article apply to abductions in which the abductor is not connected with the family.

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    1. And isn't the original defense team (HT, AH and Selena) claim that it was by a stranger, then maybe JL, etc. The statistics in the article are correct for this case since it was originally reported as a stranger abduction!

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    2. "The statistics in the article are correct for this case since it was originally reported as a stranger abduction!"

      Was it originally reported as a stranger abduction? Are you sure?

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    3. Just going by Justins words of "you are not her parent". I know I am reading into it but I do have a tendency to do that. Sorry, I will repost if you have a difference of opinion as to my reasoning?

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    4. Hey, JohnP, C'mon now...you KNOW it's "not fair" to try and make Derek's boy Peach, accountable for his own words!!
      Sheesh..
      NEXT you'll be trying to pin *responsibility* on him, just because he stated that Ayla was in "his sole custody" when she "disappeared", or something!
      :D

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    5. C'mon VTLady, you know I wouldn't do a thing like that. (How do you show your fingers crossed behind your back with keystrokes) :)

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    6. Yes it was def reported, on national TV, as a stranger abduction. What JD originally said to LE and on 911, who knows...? Only a few people and LE. Who knows how many times he could have "clarified" things.

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    7. Thank you Kit, for both your comments!

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  11. Thanks for clarifying all. I surely believe that thee whole maternal family deserve a rest. Praying for only good news.

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  12. If the items are related to Ayla, what can those be (other than the sling, or blanket mentioned)? Shoes, clothes, towel? What else?

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    1. It sure would be nice to know.

      I'm just hoping these items were found on land near the Kennebec and not IN the water. I would imagine it would be easier to test for DNA, residue, etc. if the items weren't in the water for 4 months.

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    2. Ruby stated the waters were low in the river so maybe the items were on the rocks or in a plastic trash bag or something that did preserve DNA. I hope Lance smartens up before it is to late for the him. He can probably still get some kinda reduced deal I would think.

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    3. I sure hope so too mckee! Everytime I drove over that bridge before Monday rains I kept thinking that the Kennebec was extremly low. With all the exposed banks and river bottom in the middle of the river it would seem like a perfect time to look for clues.

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  13. WMTW said their source said it was items that would belong to a child,I think clothing.IMO

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  14. OT: Someone posted that Answers for Ayla is under repair. Tori, did Jeff inform you that he was temporarily redirecting his site to J4A? I understand he's taking a much-needed break, but I find it odd that there isn't an announcement on AFA that it is being fixed, updated, etc. and that the site will automatically be redirected over here.

    I just find the timing of this interruption suspect in light of yesterday's news.

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    1. I can agree with the strange timing on that. What is going on I wonder...

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    2. The timing is only coincidental. I did not add Jeff's website to the list on the Warm Welcome post because I knew that it would be redirected here. Jeff's site is still available for reference at answers4ayla.blogspot.com. This is only temporary and they will be back in the future. I am sorry he did not make a public announcement.

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    3. DropADimeOnDaDipsApril 27, 2012 at 6:14 PM

      McKeekitty - you are an important topic at TLLOM. Apparently you are hitting some of the right buttons to piss them off. Also, Heidi IS saying that the stuff was probably "planted". Gee there's a shocker !! She has to go into that denial and call all of us "crazies" because she knows that her precious Derek isn't going to be around for a while...either as for obstruction of justice or accessory after the fact. He apparently keeps changing his story about seeing Ayla for a playdate and saying he played poker with JD on a date JD was in Portland...Sorry Mama Tudela...Your sweet boy isn't as innocent as you think.

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    4. How can she possibly know what the items are or how they got thier. Is Justin denying having put anything in that water? Where did he dump the evidence Heidi? The funny thing is VTLady predicted this claim about the evidence, but it was number 4 on her list. You must be slipping VTLady. :)

      Look out McKee, if they are after you there, you know what comes next!!!

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    5. DropADimeOnDaDips where are they posting on TTLOM? I am not reading much of anything on the website or FB page

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    6. Check out the new post, I just posted the screenshots :)

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    7. DropADimeOnDaDipsApril 28, 2012 at 9:10 AM

      The TLLOM is a secret group and doesn't allow just "anyone" to join. They have a public FB page that is full of prayer and innocuous bs then they have the secret page that is where all the hate spewed stuff is written. Tori got the screenshots that I saw plus there was another about Mckeekitty. Nice try TLLOM - I am not telling how I was able to see your page but remember...people with mad "e" skills...don't need to be a member !!!

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  15. Betty from BangorApril 27, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    On "A Big Warm Welcome"-Tori stated that Jeff and Trista was taking a much needed break and all comments would be directed to J4A

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    1. Thanks, Betty. I missed that detail.

      A4A clearly holds J4A in high regard to send their stream of traffic here!

      I'm still perplexed that A4A didn't announce this on the blog, and took down their entire website. I was looking for a past article from the site, but can't locate it. Oh well.

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    2. IMO, they probably closed it down entirely in lieu of yesterday's events so that they weren't receiving comment notifications via email with both positive or negative feedback. I understood the break when Tori and I discussed it, but after yesterday, I would almost have forced them to take one and shutdown temporarily. My stomach has been up in knots just as a concerned member of the public (and as a mother) that fell in love with Ayla; I can't even imagine what Trista must be going through today (and until LE is finished studying the evidence). In reality, they don't have to answer to anyone for their shutdown but I imagine they will address it once it's back up and running, if they choose to do so. My heart breaks for them. :(

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    3. When my babies were babies, I would occasionally hear of a death of a baby similar in age. It would break my heart, if i were able to only have them for such a short period of time. Ayla looked like such a happy, fun little girl. They are so warm, loving, and trusting at that age. I just wish Justin could have admitted his impatience with Ayla, and given her back to trista as soon as he could have.

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    4. My heart breaks for them too JMH. I sincerely hope they are doing OK, all things considered. :(

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    5. @McKee and all others you can still visit Jeff's site at http://answers4ayla.blogspot.com and see all of the blog postings and comments etc. I hope that helps.

      I was very honored that Jeff chose to redirect traffic here. I think they are wonderful people and happy to call them my friends

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  16. http://www.wabi.tv/news/29643/trista-reynolds-source-close-to-ayla-reynolds-investigation-says-baby-items-found-in-waterville

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    1. I am hopeful that Trista knew before the story hit the news. I would hope and pray it would ease the stress and fear somewhat for her and her family, though I doubt it could eliminate it.

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    2. My heart breaks for Trista. I pray that she finds the strength to see this through. No loving mother should have to go through this. I would be a mess if anything ever happened to my son and I pray everyday that God keeps him safe and out of harms way. God Bless you Trista!

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  17. I would think that the items found, (if they were clothing, shoes, blanket, or any items such as that) were shown to the parents to identify if they could.
    At least that makes sense to me.

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    1. Well...
      Hopefully not to CERTAIN "parents", considering LE couldn't possibly trust whatever answer he gave them, AND, being the unofficial prime SUSPECT in Ayla's "disappearance"!!
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    2. And there is no gaurentee that Trista would have known for sure if it was a newer item that maybe Uncle Lance bought for his niece. I think it was smarter to just take it to the lab first. Maybe use pictures of the items later if still needed.

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    3. I agree VTLady, and your comment makes sense too John P.

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    4. Hmmmm If I was LE I would show the items to the parents, even if by pictures. If the items belonged to Ayla that is very important. I'd want confirmation right away if I could get it.

      Depending on what the items were Trista might know if they belonged to Ayla.
      Justin,..I'm sure MSP doesn't exactly trust that he would be forthcoming, but certainly would like to see his reaction, and hear what he might say.

      Whatever information either parent might be able to provide, I'm sure the items would have been sent to the crime lab.

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    5. I agree with your reasoning, but unless they are "one of a kind" items, exclusive to Ayla, they could technically belong to anyone. It would be a good start to find out if she owned the certain items though.

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    6. Don't discount the possibiity of finding trace DNA on these objects, even IF they have spent the past 4 months submerged in water...
      PARTICULARLY if the DNA source is "blood".

      There's been cases of weapons being pulled out of bodies of water, or washing ashore, that had blood seep into tiny crevices around the handles, and investigators have been able to obtain enough DNA to develop a complete victim and/or assailant profile, if I'm not mistaken.

      Hemoglobin tends to be tough to destroy... think of how quickly a bloodstain sets into fabric fibers.

      Plus, any trace biological material NOT washed away, that's been protected in object crevices, or bonded to fibers, has spent the past 4 months in icy-cold water--nature's very own "refrigerator", slowing down the decomposition process!

      I remain (cautiously) optimistic,
      Even though it's a heavy-hearted kind of "optimism".
      D:

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    7. I agree VTLady. Thats why I don't think LE could get confirmation just by showing the items, in person or via picture to Trista or even Justin. It may be a good start, but lab testing will be the true confirmation (hopefully). I hope the items were preserved over the winter months.

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  18. I'm more than sure that this is an extremely diffacult time for the Ayla's parents and family members. My heart and prayers go out to them.

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  19. a relative of Justin's lives down the street from the factory, I wonder if she will be asked questions by the authorities? If not, something is wrong I would think?

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    1. That seems strange just because she's a relative? If she a person of interest, maybe?

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    2. anon 11:04, the Tudelas also live down the street. Or are they the relatives you were referring to?

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    3. Heh.
      Does this mean that the McMansion's "sweeping views of the Kennebec" include the vista of an abandoned, decrepit, 19th century "shirt factory", with broken windows??
      LMFAO!

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    4. LMAO, your too much VTLady!!!

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    5. John, no I'm not referring to the Tudelas, I'm referring to Selena.

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    6. Anon, what you are say then is that Selena, the DiPietros, and the Tudelas all live within miles of each other. And yet they say that they don't speak about the case. Let's get real, Selena. Also, if you all live so close, how come you never met your niece. Don't chastise the Reynolds for not being a close knit family when you are in the exact same boat. (Notice no name calling, I have still kept my word)

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    7. Sorry J4A, didn't mean to go off topic with that! I will refrain better in the future.

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    8. Well now that looks silly when I didn't post the previous comment I thought I did about the Selena comment above.

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  20. After reading these comments, I wonder.......if the items are believed to be Ayla's, doesn't it seem as though police would be searching the area again?

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    1. I would assume they thoroughly searched Wed during the recovery of the items mentioned. JMO

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    2. I heard many game wardens were out in that area again today.

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    3. anon, was it on the news or was it a local friend you heard this from?

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    4. I heard from a friend who heard it on her scanner in the early morning hours and then on her way from Oakland to Winslow she saw some wardens gathered by the river...vehicles etc.

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  21. Maybe, I just thought the news would have stated that.

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  22. I guess finding items could stiil lead to kidnapping, if people believe that theory.

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    1. Not to start an arguement or debate, some will still believe the kidnapping story, thier choice but definately not mine. The location of this, if it is related to Ayla further convinces me it was not a kidnapping. Look at the location of the discovery, in the water beside the road leading to the Tudela Ville. Then DT trying to give eyewitness statement of a playdate on the 16th that is now being contradicted. Just to many coincidences. I now it is not proof, we don't even know that the items are factually related to Ayla. Just too much coincidence for me.

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    2. Maybe I'm old fashion, but how many dads take their kids on play dates? Especially Maine men?

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    3. I never did, if my sons wanted a playdate, mom took them to the park or something. Dad took them to the games when they got just a bit older.

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    4. My guy is great with our daughter. But this mommy does the playdates!! Just sayin.

      Good point Anon 11:50!!

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    5. Yeah..
      Guys don't really DO "playdates" or "playgroups", like Mom's do.

      Probably because women tend to hang out half-socializing, half-watching the little ones, while the kids play...
      I can't picture guys really doing that.

      In my experience men don't multi-task in the same way as women, meaning that if a group of MEN were "socializing" whilst the kiddos played... NO ONE would really be watching the kids.

      A toddler "playgroup" can become PANDEMONIUM in a very short amount of time!!
      JMO/MOO

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    6. I think the "playdates" were for JD to spend time with some young mothers, you know to do things like exchange recipes (like what should you mix coffee brandy with?) and have meaningful parenting style conversations (is 25K enough for a LIP?) in a safe environment (that does not involve older children and a ball pit)......

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    7. Guys do "play dates" with their kids, it just tends to usually include dads doing men things, things that do not work when you have to keep your kid entertained by yourself...so the dads do things while the kids are busy together...that is why the play date claim is so weird...Ayla had a bone specialist appt that day(the 16th) that JD missed for a PLAY DATE ...and the contradicting account, if true, was not a play date including any kids but Ayla...it was a daddy play date....why lie?

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    8. I know all sides are reading these blogs...so I have a question for the Tudela family, since they speak for themselves and the DiPietros too apparently---DT: Why don't you or your mother elaborate on your play date to set the record straight? What time were you there? What time did you leave? What did the kids, and you and JD do? Anyone else can confirm you were there there than JD and you mom, especially since he was reportedly in Portland till the wee hours of the morn the night before? Why was a play date more important that an orthopedic appt? Why did JD not make it? Why on earth would people you know well say you told them another story entirely, way before the interview where you claim to have seen her on the 16th? We are all so very curious...and we are all waiting for you to answer....

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    9. typo: confirm you were there other than JD and your mom...

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    10. Don't hold your breath Emerald. I'm sure they "already told LE"...

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    11. haha I highly doubt they told them outright...why? because the person he told it to, if true, did tell LE, before the interview where the 16th was put out...he did not think the first acct. would come out later from someone he is friends with... you can explain all you want after the fact because it is all just backtracking after you get caught in a paradoxical statement...

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    12. HurryDerekGetImmunityApril 28, 2012 at 3:29 PM

      Emerald you are spot on and Derek Tudela is going to have some explaining to do. He better get in a quick confab with Mama Tudela to get advice about being the first person to run to the police station and get immunity.

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  23. "baby items", is vague although I understand it's not my business. I'm just trying to picture what it would be. It doesn't really tell much of anything. Seems from the publics point of view, we are really any further ahead.

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    1. That was, aren't really any further ahead.

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    2. how many type things do babies have? that really narrows it down, actually, if you are a parent...clothing/shoes, toy/stuffed animal, sippy cup, blanket, hair barrette, soft cast and sling in child size...not so many categories of kid things out there...so, what is most likely...a thinking experiment

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    3. Emerald, since she was "taken" at night, you can eliminate the shoes, sippy cup, hair barrette, and sling. That leaves the clothing (daddys princess footed pajamas) the stuffed animal(did she acquire a new favorite without her dada doggie)), pieces of the soft cast, and possibly the ace bandage with a few pieces of the cast. How did I do?

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    4. She may have NOT been taken at night in her PJ's..could have been anytime after the 8th. So she could have been in Day cloths.

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    5. That's true Chicky. Plus, John, there was a conversation yesterday about her sling. We all thought it strange to put her to bed with the sling, BUT, she was reported "kidnapped from bed" with the sling.

      In thinking about that more, and how odd it really is to put a baby to bed with a sling, I am REALLY thinking her "disappearance" probably was not at night at all. Just a thought...

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    6. Exactly what I was getting at...a bit of logical processing and cross referencing with the other statements put out allows us to narrow down the list to potentially important items if the kidnap scenario is true, and if it is not...we still have a god idea of what might be expected...

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  24. We don't really know what baby Ayla was wearing when she was "abducted". We have only the DiPs word for it that she was wearing the "Daddy's Princess" green one-piece sleeper. Bought by the maternal side, and not by the DiPs.

    I've always thought that the description of that item was a bit of Justin-as-caring-daddy bogus PR. It sounded so sweet. Such a proud papa! Yes, a proud papa who didn't say a word about his abducted daughter for two weeks because he was emotionally pulling himself together. And Ayla out there with a kidnapper undergoing heaven knows what abuse? What anxious parent of a kidnapped child thinks about his emotional well-being before his child's welfare? It's all so bogus.

    What seems to be well-defined is Justin's lack of even the rudimentary acting chops to pull off the role of concerned father, duh; hence, Heidi and her dramatic school to the rescue:

    "No, don't speak, Justin, dahling, it's not in the script. We go a little off the mark when we speak, don't we, dear? And Mommy Heidi has to do a bit of clever dancing to cope with the fall out, right?

    Just stare into the cameras, as we rehearsed. Try to remember, your daughter, what's-her-name, is missing. Can we see an eensy-weensy frown on that noble brow, sweetie? Ah, never mind, love, just look numb...er...dumb...you know, natural!"

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  25. perhaps bloody clothes, blankets, a sling, the pjs, who knows. Or it could just be stuff completely unrelated at all to Ayla's case. Hate the waiting game. I am not long on patience :(

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    1. I believe it has to do with Ayla, or I don't think it would be in the news.

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  26. Could anyone give links to DT's account of the playdate with Ayla -- supposedly on the 16th? And any retraction of his initial statement? Thanks if you can link! I'm not a FB member and miss a lot.

    I thought the statement about the playdate was originally just an account from Madame Tudela in TLLOM backing up the DiP claim that Ayla was alive on the 16th and putting the naysayers at rest. Nothing formal about it; it was just a sort of informal aside from La Tudela answering the clamor but putting Derek in the middle of it all as an important witness.

    It appears to be very important to some that Ayla was seen alive on the day and evening of the 16th and went missing afterwards in the "middle of the night". (How do the DiPs know this was the time if they all heard nothing? And none of them checked on Ayla at any time during the night?)

    After the investigation began, so many people asked if anyone outside the family saw Ayla after the 8th of December when Trista last talked to Ayla on the phone and was refused any contact from Ayla, thereafter. This questioning of the official timeline was discussed almost from the beginning as many questioned the date of the abduction with the DiPs's vague and conflicting stories as related and revised by Angela Harris.

    Voila! Madame Tudela came up with an official person "outside of the family" who could place Ayla alive on the 16th in no less than a playdate with his son...none other than Derek Tudela, scion of the Tudela Victorian Childcare and Insurance Family. Quite handy is Derek, in so many ways!

    I wonder who does, and who does not, have an alibi for times during the days after the 8th and before the 16th? Who might have been seen around town on dates before the 16th at places not usually associated with them? Whose activities/alibis are not so very sharp before the 16th?

    LE may be "going with" the 16th/17th timeline in public and on Nancy Grace, but I'm betting they are leaving some options open as to when Ayla was really "abducted" and where certain people were all that week before the 16th/17th.

    At least, we assume LE is open to alternate theories of when whatever happened to Ayla took place. Of course, some DiP defenders go berserko at the suggestion that Ayla may have gone missing a full week before the DiPs official timeline. As a theory, it gives rise to the oft-proposed hypothesis that the DiPs are congenital liars! What causes consternation in the DiPs camp is always something to watch closely: "Somebody struck a noive!"

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  27. Tori- I live in Tucson and actually it is looking like the scene was staged by the uncle and father to look like an abduction. There are a lot of facts that have been released locally and even the police have seemingly taken the stance that the family was involved. There are a few crucial witnesses and now surveillance footage has been found as well. Therefore, our case here in Tucson isn't really that much different than little Ayla's. Both Isabel's parents and the Dipshits are completely incapable of even acting like innocents. Katie in Tucson

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    1. It does appear that way. These "kidnappings" need to stop...

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  28. So there were supposedly 3 children on the suppoded night that Ayla supposedly was kidnapped and not one of those children woke up untill what, 8:30 in the morning?
    Early on I remember reading somewhere that it was said that the baby gate had been broken long before that night, then there is the story about how wonderfull Courtney was/is where it is mentioned how justin tripped over the baby gate coming UP the cellar stairs.
    Does anyone lese remember it being said early on the the gate had allready been broken before that night? I'll have to poke around and see if I can find it?

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    1. I think that was speculation Chicky. Because IF the gate was broken prior, they would need an excuse for LE as to why it was broken, hence the rushed trip upstairs, through the baby gate. There was/is so much speculation about the gate because it is such a strange, unnecessary piece to the "story".

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    2. If you notice in the pic with LE and Courtney holding her son,he is still sleeping, after being dressed with boots and jacket, Wouldnt he wake up with all the noise if he had already been asleep for at least 12 hours depending on the time of the pic.? I dont think those kids slept much that night.The pic was 2 LE officers,Justin.Phoebe,Courtney,Elisha is standing away from her family without Gabby was she still sleeping too?

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    3. KIT, I thought it was one of the household that said the gate was broken prior to explain why it was not an accident by Ayla falling through the gate into the basement. yeah, could have been speculation that I read. There seem to be many stories that change, it takes a good memory to be a good liar.

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    4. Yes, it does take a good memory! Geez, if one of the houshold members said that, I hope someone can find it, because I'd be curious to see it. That would be another change to the story; falsifying the part where it was placed there each morning and Justin pushed through it. I do *think* it was speculation, but if someone can find it coming from one of those in the house, please post it.

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    5. I will check around when I get back from the pharmacy this morning. If it was on TLLOM then I won't be able to access it. I remember thinking that maybe Ayla leaned on the gate and it gave way but when I heard it was allready broken I threw that theory out.
      At times there are thins that are said seemingly coming from the Dips that end up just being assumptions that are not backed up, or stories changing so it's hard to tell.

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    6. I could not find what i was looking for but did find these two comments:
      1 ~ "They had a hard time explaining it at the time LE found the gate."

      2 ~ "Selena said that the gate never was where we all thought it was in the first place. "

      I just recall that there was an issue about the gate and it was said somewhere that the gate was broken prior to that evening..but I can't find it so it's a mute point right now.

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  29. Angela said the gate was broken on TllOM web site.Then she edited and it was deleted.

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    1. Here is AH's original story (she later changed it to courtney who found Ayla was "missing"):

      http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2012/01/deception-indicated-ayla-reynolds.html?m=0

      * If the link doesn't work, it is at SA, titled "Ayla: Deception Indicated At DePietro Website"

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  30. Isabel Mercedes Celis

    I believe that I saw her. A navy blue truck with two or three hispanics (in their twenties). This was in the evening around 5:00 or so at San Clemente Beach.

    One of the hispanic man had just washed her off, then carried her into the truck. They had loaded bunch of rocks into the truck (odd).

    I have noted previous week, a tall, whitish hair, looked Swedish (looked like one of the night soaps where they had the JR Ewing ranch hand). This man had each time exchange of money, and each time a CHILD WAS involve (little boy or little girl). I reported this to San Clemente Police department, but it was ignored.

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